The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - The top of the AFC East, Drake Maye and the Patriots might be closer than you think, Julian Edelman

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

The NFL sales hope better than any other sport Colin talks to former Patriots WR Julian Edelman about the AFC East, if the Drake Maye and the Patriots are ready to talk the next step, what makes the Texans defense some dominant, George Pickens causing drama for the Cowboys, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was thinking about this. One of the secret strengths of the NFL is that you're not allowed to play in the NFL until after you've completed that third year of college. and most guys commit to four years of college before playing in the NFL. What does that mean? You come in a man,

not a kid. You come in ready to produce, you are physically ready, emotionally ready, many football players come in, married, some have a kid, a kid's on the way.

You know, in baseball, you get drafted, you're not, even Bryce Harper, you go to the minors. You know, even the all-time great prospects, you're not starting

the next, day for the Yankees and driving in 100 runs. You go to basketball. You're drafting like 18, 19, 20-year-old kids. Wemby is in year three now. They've injuries, minute restrictions, don't start him off the bench. I mean, LeBron's like one of one that could be

productive year one and powerful. But in the NFL, you bring a quarterback in like Bo Nex with 61 college starts. He's a grown-up. It's like, oh, yeah, we don't miss. Russell Wilson, the cap hit doesn't really matter.

as long as you get the coach right. And so I think that the NFL is a league of hope. You can go from awful New England last year to excellent New England this year. Nine months. Commanders did it. Got the quarterback right. You can't do that in other sports. Nobody is, the wizards are not magically going to win the NBA finals next year.

Even Oklahoma City, it's taken years of smart drafting and growth and devout. and now it looks like they could be a dynasty. So I saw this story yesterday, and I don't think this is good. The NFL has always been the League of Hope. The bottom's been small, but even the bottom teams, you feel like, you know, we are a quarterback away. USC starting quarterback, Jaden Mayava, 6-4-230, accurate, coachable. He's going to stay at USC. NIL money.

Dante Moore at Oregon. may do the same. 6-4-230. You think you draft him late first, early second with Arizona. Arizona Cardinal fans wouldn't be all hyped up. So when you look at the top of the draft order, five of 11 teams, Miami-Jets, Arizona, Cleveland, Vegas, half the draft the quarterback, absolutely.

There may be only one quarterback coming out of note. I don't know what the Saints are going to do with Tyler Shuck, no idea. because if you draft a college quarterback in that first or second round, he's cheap for four or five years, you can stack the roster. And that doesn't mean you're great, but you're optimistic and you're hopeful. A great example is the New York Giants. Giants draft Jackson Dart. They're two and 12.

But Giant fans are like, we got our guy. Number one pick, trade down, get six picks. Yet Arizona's got another win. They're three and 11. but it's Kyler Murray and Jacoby Berset, hopeless. They actually have another win over the Giants. They're viewed as hopeless. And the strength of the NFL has always been selling, optimistically,

you're just an inch away. You can't sell that in baseball. Nobody in Pittsburgh thinks you're an inch away from beating the Dodgers. You can't do it in the NBA. No reasonable fan thinks the Wizards are close. But Chicago's a train wreck last year and now could win the Super Bowl. same quarterback, just a better coach. And I think the NIL at the schools like Ohio State, USC, Oregon,

maybe in Alabama that can pay the big money, a Tennessee could pay the big money and keep a guy in. And now you could say, well, next year, that means it'll be a great quarterback class next year. You don't know that. We all thought Kay K Kludnik was going to be an unbelievable player, or Nussmeyer at LSU was going to be an unbelievable player. You don't know. We all thought Arch Manning was one. and done.

He was going to big game Ohio State, win 10 games. No, he's coming back too. So I've noticed this in the NFL. Start looking at the draft order right now. Most of those teams outside of the team that gets Mendoza from Indiana, what are you selling to your fans? If Dante Moore came out, the Raiders could say, hey, baby, it is it. They could stack their roster.

Otherwise, it's another year with Gino. what are you going to do? Or if Jordan, Jaden Mayava comes out, you look down there with the dolphins, and you're like, yeah, we got little Tua. We just got a six four, two-hundred-thirty-pound guy from USC. Whether he's good or not,

you can put butts in the seats with that optimism. So the NIL, this Jaden Maiava, keep your, if Dante Moore is like I understand in Oregon, whoa, we got one first-round quarterback off a terrible quarterback class last year. So look at the bottom of the NFL right now. That one o'clock window is unwatchable by about week 12. You're like, you're just praying they put, and now they're moving games to Saturday.

You're like, oh, yikes. Now the one o'clock window is worse. So I think the NFL's always been able to sell hope more than any other league. NIL is a bit of a pain in the butt, at least short term for the NFL. NFL. With that Julian Edelman is now going to join us live. Three rings, Super Bowl MVP. All right, man, he's in his studio. He's got that podcast, games with names. Look at him. All right. So I made the argument that the game Buffalo beat New England, it was a bigger game for

Buffalo. It mattered more for Buffalo. There was a psychology to it. If Drake May and Vrable come in and beat you twice, that sticks in the locker room. That sticks. So I don't think, of the Patriots losing. I still think they're kind of looking for about four more draft picks that can help their own line. How do you view it as a former Patriot? I view it that they're not there yet.

Still a young team. Something that we used to hear all the time, can't win until you keep from losing. And the second half was an example of that. Look, they started out on fire, go up 24-3, have a great game plan.

But you've got to play your best football at the end of the game at the end of the season, which they haven't done there. They've got this defense where they, you kind of anticipate they're trying to be a bend but don't break team, but you can only do that if you're good in the red area. And there's 75% giving up touchdowns in the red area, which is last, which I anticipate they'll clean that up when they get Milton Williams back. You know, the offense kind of ran out of plays at the end of it. had a great game plan going into the beginning of the game,

but once again, you're out, your left tackle, Campbell, you're out Wilson, your left guard, how many plays can you come up with in the second half after they're starting to adjust to the adjustments? So young team, and I think this can be a good thing for them. Look, it's hard to win in this league. You know, they just rattled off a 10-game winning streak. That's insanely impressive.

It's good to kind of maybe recalibrate your brain and your week of work going into these last three, four weeks because now this is the time where you have to play your best football. So I anticipate when they get their guys back on the offense line, Milton Williams on the defense, they're going to get better. Spillane not playing was probably a huge problem because he's a huge spy for Josh Allen that could have been used. So I think this was really good for them,

but my initial reaction, they're not there yet. You know, we think because the NFL locker room is so big, offense over there, defense over there, kickers over there, you're separated that if you had a guy that was an ego or a diva, you could hide him. But Seattle moved off D.K. Metcalfe. They thought he was a bit maintenance. J.S.N. was kind of considered, you know, more low-key,

more team guy and cheaper. And so George Pickens, Mike Tomlin, who's very patient, moves off. And he goes to Dallas. He crushes. now he's in a three-game stretch where he's pouting he and dack don't work and you take me into a locker room can one sort of and i i don't hate the word diva but one kind of moody star player can it really literally disrupt on the plane locker room is it that disruptive uh depends on your leadership of your team uh i was at a place where that stuff didn't happen uh if those guys guys were going to come into the locker room and be A-holes and divas.

They weren't there very long. And then, you know, they look at the best player on the team, the highest paid player on the team, Tom Brady, who works his tail off, who gets coached hard, who does all the little things before, after and during practice. Like, you can't do that. You can't fool a team and have a guy thinking he can come in and act a certain way when your best players on your team don't act that way.

So, you know, when you have a great group of leaders that everyone believes in that of won, I don't think those things happen. So I don't know. Did I answer your question there? Was that? Yeah, no, I think it's just like if you have a strong family, you know, and one kid is, you know, I think the foundational part of the best teams in this league, you've got a non-meddling owner, a very strong front office, and usually a coach who doesn't put up a lot of

crap, you can overcome a lot if you have those three things in order. Is that right? That is right. You need to have those three things in order. And if you don't, you're just going to run into a bunch of problems and it's going to become a distraction. Now, you know, in Dallas, they handle distractions. They love those distractions. And so maybe. maybe they're they like that but i i think i think he assigned pickings for the right number uh but ultimately those were eye-opening moments because everyone balls at the beginning of the year right that's that's you know you kind of have a head start on defenses they don't have a beat on you there's not enough film and and you know the great players that i always played with they

always played their best football after Thanksgiving going into the playoffs you make your they would always say you make your uh you make your money in the regular season you make your name in that postseason so look if if if things are if if stuff is hitting the fan and and you're pouty outy like do you want to deal with that going forward when someone's getting a lot more money So I'm watching the, I said, I think the dark horse team to win it all is Houston. Their offense is a little inconsistent, but their defense is so good. You can see quarterbacks. They held Stafford and the Rams and their All-Star offense to 14 points.

Take me to the best defense that you ever played. And it may have been a Ravens defense. Go to the best defense in your career. Is it scheme? Is it talent? me to what it was like to play against. I mean, some of those Ravens teams had like six guys you could argue that had Hall of Fame talent.

Yeah, I remember any time we would play the Ravens, you know, we would be leading the league or in top five in offense, top five and running, top five and everything. And I remember Josh McDaniels coming into the team meeting, you know, the offensive meeting and say, hey, guys, I know we've been running the ball very well right now, but We're not going to run the ball at all against these guys because they will stop it. So we had to literally change our complete game plan when we would play a team like that because, A, they were all on the same page. B, they had superstar players on pretty much all levels. And C, they like knew us.

You know what I mean? And they studied hard. And they were, it's just one of those things when you have, when you have superstar players that study their tail off, I can remember like Ray Lewis. is calling out our play before we were running it because of our formation. So, like, yeah, this team does give me, you know, going back to the Houston, Texas, they give me that vibe of, like, those Giants teams that got hot at the end of the year because those Giants teams always had really good defenses that kept him in those games. And then Eli and the offense would be kind of up and down.

And C.J. Straub, like, if he can get going, we've seen it. And he's been playing a lot better the last couple of weeks, with Kaylee as their offensive coordinator, if they can get things going, they're definitely, that's a scary team. That's a very scary. People don't realize we talk about their defensive line so much and their linebackers.

Lasseter and Stingley, they make those guys so much better because they're sticky in that coverage. Like, they got premier players on all levels and multiples on all levels. So you played with a quarterback when you had an incredibly high ceiling, who didn't throw picks.

Darnold, you get the ceiling, you get the picks. Peyton Manning, by the way. From 98 to 2015, led the NFL in picks. Seven of the top 11 interception quarterbacks this year are like Alan, Bahams, Bo Nicks. You know, they're like great quarterbacks. So I'm a Darnold fan. He throws a lot of picks.

I loved Andrew Luck. He threw a lot of picks. When you were in New England, were they always viewed as a negative? Or did Belichick, was there ever in Josh McDaniels say, guys, push the ball down the field? Now, you probably didn't have to tell Tom that. I don't look at, like, to me, interceptions are where they're thrown. Bo Nix, when trailing this year, has 16 touchdowns and one picks. One pick.

He throws them early, not late. How do you view interceptions? What does it do psychologically? What does it do to an offense? I view interceptions. Like, look, we were talking. that everything was about turnover margin. If you don't turn the ball over and you get a takeaway,

you're going to win. Like, we'd have all the numbers, 86% this, you get a block. So we were all about the ball. And there would be times where we were really too methodical, too nickel dime, nickel dime, and we would have to go in the game plan and say, hey, guys, we need to take some shots because then everyone condenses down.

With interceptions and quarterbacks, I think it's a situational thing by no means in the red area or on first down in the red area. If you throw a pick, that is never acceptable. You know, we never threw picks. Tom wasn't a pick guy, and you named a lot of great quarterbacks, but a lot of those great quarterbacks haven't won Super Bowls yet. The guys that take care of the football in, no, seriously, you take care of the football in the playoffs. That's how you win.

And it all comes down to the situational plays. So yeah, it's a double-edged sword. You got guys that are trying to push the ball downfield situationally. It's third and long. You're in the fringe, like, or you're in that no man's land where you can't punt this at. That's when you should try it. But by no means am I a fan of a quarterback that throws a lot of picks? That's just, that's how I was indoctrined from the team I was at,

that there was nothing more important than ball security. and that was on all facets. The quarterback throwing, you run in the ball, lineman blocking, because if they let a guy free and we get a sack, fumble, that's their, like, nothing was more important than the ball. Finally, here's my Super Bowl bubble. I do it.

I always have about seven teams that I think can make the Super Bowl. It doesn't mean win it, but they can make the Super Bowl. And then I always have two or three that have a fatal flaw. So three teams, I think, are really good, but have a fatal flaw. One San Francisco, defensively, it's smoke and mirrors. They're not good enough. Chargers O-lines a mess. They'll get both tackles back next year.

And I don't think Philadelphia's offensive staff, the offense has been broken for 15 straight weeks. I don't think it's going to be solved. When you see my Super Bowl bubble, Ram, Seahawks, Denver. So nothing here bothers you. Nothing here bothers me. The Chargers, like, it's been super impressive with them, but you cannot have an awesome.

offense, no offense a line, guys off the street blocking for Justin Herbert. This guy's got, I always, like, joke on Fox kickoff that I love big men on as a quarterback, but they get hurt too. Look at it. This guy's got a broken hand. He can only hit, take so many hits. You look at, you know, the Niners, they just, I don't think they have the guys on defense, but they've been proving me wrong all year. And then with everyone in the middle, I agree. I agree that the bears could be a little, maybe in-out, they do take the ball away on defense, but they have jarring holes there.

And can they, is there going to be a situation where it's a must pass situation on a third and medium to a third and long? Can they make that play without, you know, we haven't really seen that. They've been dominating teams

with their run games, setting up their play action. And they have a coach that knows how to call plays and protect their team. So, you know, they're kind on that verge to me

and then everyone else. You know, the Patriots, How are they going to react to this big loss that they had? Are they going to be the same team that we've seen of the last few, you know, last 10 weeks going into the, you know, the heat of the season where it's the hardest to play? So I agree a lot with all your Super Bowl bubble teams, Rams. You know, I think Seattle should be a little more out.

Yeah. I'm still scared to Sam Darnold. Like the last time he played against the Rams, I know he's got a big game tomorrow. You know, he threw four picks. You know, you play in another big night game, and he didn't play his best. And then, you know, he hasn't been playing his best last couple weeks. He's been playing a team he threw four picks on. You know, we'll see how that goes.

So this is the biggest year, I think, for parity. And the teams right now that scares me the most is probably is probably Buffalo just because of that performance last night. And McDermott, situationally, if Matt Milano and his deep, defense is healthy. Like, they'll give up a lot of runs. And I told, I pushed the panic button on these guys in week four about this. But Josh Allen, they've given up like 30 points four times and they want their four and own those games. Like, it's pretty crazy. The Rams kind of scare me a little bit with the, you know, how are they going to react when they get punched in the face? Because they really haven't been punched in the face that much this year. They're also a little shaky on the back end.

They're not great at corner. They were supposed to draw from last. Yeah, they didn't draft the corner last year, which surprised everybody. And now they're in, you know, the hope Emmanuel Forbes kind of works out, but they're not, they've been exposed at corner multiple times this year. They just have to play the game the right way, which most of these teams are built that way. They're built all to play from ahead so that their defenses can scheme up their cover. and scheme up some games and blitzes.

A lot of these teams are all built where they're trying to get that lead first, so then that's when they can open up their defenses. As always. Call that a front-running team. Great seeing you by Julian Edelman. Fox Sports. Good thing. Great to you guys.

All right. Yeah, I think the Super Bowl bubble, you know, Houston was a team I didn't have in a month ago, and then you just keep watching over and over and over and over, and you're like, that defense, is the best unit in the sport. There's no unit. First of all,

Bullock, there are so long. I said this about a month ago. Turn the sound down and watch the Seahawks and the Texans. Don't have any bias or any confirmation bias from announcers or just watch them. I say this all the time. When I used to be in local TV, there was a news director.

I worked with and he said when he looked over 400 tapes, he goes, is turn around. I would listen to the tape and not watch the person. I didn't want to be persuaded by attraction. Like, do you sound good? Do I trust your voice? And I've always used that with football. Sometimes turn the sound down, watch a team. Oh, Darnold throws a lot of picks. And you'll watch the Seahawks with the sound down. You're like, God, it's the fastest roster in the league. Texan's defense feels like that. It just, there's no holes. There's no openings. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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That's going to be a good one. That is going to be a great one. Redemption time for one, Sam Darnold. Here's J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's get started with the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones.

You know, we talked about soft tanking earlier. My Jets, you mentioned Miami, Washington. A lot of people are starting to bench your stars, right? Well, Dallas has a 1% chance to make the playoffs. They need to win out and the Eagles need to lose out. Obviously, that's not happening. With three games left, Jerry Jones talked about the potential of benching Dachan company for a better draft spot. A win is very, very important in the NFL.

And a win is important to me. And a win does a lot of positive things. I don't care when it happens. And we've got, we owe it to that mirror up, and we owe it certainly to our fans. that we want to walk out there and be competitive. We will not try for a draft position. We won't be looking at anything like that. We'll be out there playing football, and we'll bring them to play.

Well, yeah, I think Dallas is, if you look at their remaining schedule, you can't ask DAC to tank, and you also don't want to rest starters so DAC gets hurt. The truth is Dallas could win all three of these games? or probably could lose two of them. So I think Dallas is going to be fine. Dallas is going to win seven games and probably go, you know, seven, nine and one. You know, and so I don't think, for them, I don't worry. They have two first round picks.

It doesn't matter if one's a six and ones. They have two first round picks. They're fine. They can manipulate those into other picks. What you, Rams have two first round picks. Cleveland has two first round picks. If you're Miami and you've got one, and you need a quarterback Dallas doesn't.

The Rams don't. So if you're Miami, that one pick becomes really crucial that you get to six or seventh, not 11th or 12th. That's different. Dallas is fine. Two first round picks can become extra fourth and fifth round picks. I don't know. I was listening closely to Jerry.

He sounds like he essentially was doing that interview in the middle of like sitting on his front porch and yelling at kids to get off his lawn. I mean, what is he talking about? Hey, we got to look ourselves in the mirror. We owe it to... What are you talking about? You haven't been to an NFC championship game in, I don't know, 30 years? Wake up, Jerry.

If you get eliminated, sit your starters, start playing the young guys, see who's going to make the roster next year. And do that. The O line is already young. Like, I don't want Dak to get hurt. To me, and also, Dax's healthy, and there is some value. Again, I don't think the Cowboys drafts. position doesn't, is not, they're not drafting a quarterback. They need an edge rusher. They're six. They need a tackle. There's three in the first round. They're going to get a tackle.

They're going to get an edge rusher. They may get a corner. I am not worried about Dallas going forward draft picks. Yeah, I don't know, man. I know they've had a good run at draft picks in the first round. They've made some really good ones. But you're not winning. I just don't see the point. I don't want to get Dak heard for sure. All right. Next story, Colin. It's obviously Thursday night football, the biggest game of the week. Rams traveling north to Seattle for the number one seed in the NFC and winning the division on the line. Obviously, all eyes are on Devante Adams, who had that hamstring injury.

After the game, McVeigh said he was optimistic about Devante's status. Here's what he had to say. It's the hamstring like we saw. You know, the two guys that will be DNPs that, you know, we're going to give them every chance that they've got would be, you know, Devante with the hamstring and Fisk, you know, out of the game with a little bit of soreness in his ankle. We'll take it all the way up to game time and see where they're at. So at this point, you're not ruling Devante out of the game?

I'm not ruling anyone out. They have an embarrassment of riches. They really do. They're fine. If you watch them, Houston's defense and the Rams offense, those are about the best units in the league. So I was looking into my good puka source who gave me the puka is going to be star on the Rams. My person is saying that Devante is a long shot to play. They did just get

2-2 Atwell back last week. They activated him. So they've got guys, I don't think they force Adams. Dude, you don't want to re-injure the hamstring. Then you jeopardize January when it matters more. I think the Rams can win without Devante. Colin, I will tell you, an injury that's not being talked about. Seattle's left tackle Charles Cross. Excellent player. DNP at practice got injured last week. That is a significant injury. Nobody's talking about. This Rams pressure got to Darnold in the last meeting. He was flustered, a bunch of picks. You want me to give you my bet on this game or wait another day?

Yeah, no, no. Yeah, what are you? I'm on the first half under. We talked yesterday about Seattle slow starts the last three games. And I look at this Rams defense. Neither coach is going to want to make a mistake. I don't think we're going to see a lot of downfield stuff. First half under for me in Ram, Seattle. I think we see a low-scoring chess match, if you will.

This is not going to be a shootout on Thursday night. How are you doing with your bookie this year? How are you doing? I don't, you never know who's listening. So I don't want to address that. But it's been a very good season. Not as good as college football, but it's been a good season. Let's move on to the third story.

Let's go to college football. I don't have anything on this one. But this is a good, good rematch. It's Alabama, Oklahoma. The lines around, pick them or one, depending on what you're looking at. One interesting subplot is Kalin DeBour. A lot of people are linking him to the Michigan job. And Kalin DeBore obviously kind of sort of shot those down there.

this week, but according to DeBoer, all these rumors, they have not had an impact on the Alabama locker room. My guys, if there's been any distraction, I haven't seen it, haven't felt it, and so I'm really proud of the way they've handled whatever noise is out there. And again, we've probably all season long have dealt with enough noise to where it wasn't doesn't surprise me on how they handle this. Yeah, who do you like in that game? I, um, it's last year they played in Oklahoma.

blew their doors off. Well, wait. Oh, last year. Okay. Yeah. So they played like a month ago, and Oklahoma did win. But if you look at the box score, and I watched like the condensed highlights on YouTube, Alabama moved all over the field. They had like 200 more yards, Colin.

The problem was interceptions and turnovers. And that's what gave Alabama the win. Alabama has no run game. So that's the thing. There's no injury reports really in college football. So Alabama's running back. The kid, I think Jam Miller's is. name. He had an injury and missed the Georgia game. And they had negative three yards rushing.

Is he coming back? Well, I don't know. There's no injury reports. So you're kind of flying blind here. Part of me maybe just watches. I know that's not as fun. I don't know. I would lean out. You know, I'm a Ty Simpson guy. You know, we kind of pick our guys. I like Ty Simpson a lot, man. He did not look good against Georgia. He gets a chance for redemption. I would lean Alabama here. You? I think so. I really like Kailen DeBore as a coach. It's awesome.

And remember, sorry, nobody likes to bet on teams they just saw get their butts kicked. So the public is gravitating toward Oklahoma, who already beat them, and Alabama just looked like crap two weeks ago. You know what I think the best bet in the college football playoff is? JMU against Oregon. I'm just kidding. Texas Tech to win it all. Ooh.

They're going to be able to use in every single game. Nobody believes in us. Nobody's talking about us. young players, young athletes, young human beings are much more emotional than older players. Texas Tech to win it all. I like that. Because they've got several NFL guys. They went and bought them.

The coach is good. No, but they're rested. They're healthy. Texas Tech to win it all. Because it's the one really good team we give no chance to, because we've only seen them play BYU a couple of times. And BYU was okay. So interesting. So we know Alabama has, we know their weaknesses.

Oklahoma, quarterback offense. They've been up and down. Tell me, Ohio State, like, we love the defense. I don't know that I trust the quarterback. We saw him in two huge games. Colin, Texas and Indiana. How'd the offense do in those games?

Not great. I mean, he's a young kid. And then you look at Indiana and you think, like, okay, Indiana. But Texas Tech does not have an obvious weakness. They're one loss to Arizona State. They didn't have their quarterback. So I think you could be on to something with Texas Tech.

Well, Red Raiders? plus 800 to win it all. That's the bet. Is it 800? Oh, okay. Now you're speaking my language, my friend. All right, Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I mean, when you have young people, there tend to be, you know, more emotional. To be able to use that in the NFL playoffs, nobody believes in us. That kind of raw, raw stuff maybe works for a series. But if you've got a bunch of young kids,

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And so it's interesting and it's instructive. I think the Kansas City Chiefs right now have, to some degree, a Golden State Warrior issue. Is that I said the Warriors have become a conditional team, a circumstantial team. They'll acquire you if you can play with Steph. Well, young guys can't. Kansas City, are they willing to acknowledge this version of the dynasty is over? We need a rebuild. So the warriors held on to clay way too long.

They should have blown it up three years ago. You could argue four. Right after that Celtic win, blow it up. They didn't do it. And I said this a couple weeks ago, who is the Kansas City Chiefs fourth best player? We put this up. Now, you know, Mahomes is one.

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Look at the Rams. Okay. If you look at who the Rams top 10 players are, I don't have Braden Frisk on that list. Fisk, excuse me. I have Byron Young, 9th. He's got 11 sacks. I don't have, I mean, think about that.

Puna Ford, being the eighth best player on any team, has had a great year. I'm not counting Blake Corum who has popped. Fisk, who is very good. Young is ninth. Nate Landman at 10 has been a revelation. Like nobody knew who he was in Atlanta. He has been a revelation. That's an elite roster.

I don't know who the fourth best player is on Kenzie Chiefs. I'm not blaming anybody. Rishie Rice is certainly talented, but really immature. Xavier Worthy, gadget guy. Offensive tackles, I think the left tackle from Ohio State could be special. This is not a knock on anybody. But if you start looking at Philadelphia's roster and you start looking at the Lions roster and the Rams roster,

you're leaving people out of your top 10 who would start for every team in the league every single team so I think Kansas City has to accept blow it up a little bit and that and then and it listen the one thing I'll say is when they moved off Tyreek Hill they actually did fine but the hardest position in pro football the draft and it's ironic because it has the most talent is wide receipts. It busts more than any first round position. Offensive line busts the least. Receivers busts the most.

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And I think some have hit Sky Moore didn't. Rice is. Don't trust him, but he's good. So it's, I just think Kansas City's where the Warriors were. And the Warriors after that Celtics championship should have just said, guys, this is it. Like, we got to make, we got to blow it up. Remember that one against the Celtics? They were in trouble. They go to Boston and Tatum and Jalen Brown, Marcus Smart, still young. Kind of shocked everybody. They go to Boston. They beat the Celtics on the East Coast. And you're like, damn, they're going to win another. That day flying. After that championship, Joe Lacob, Steve Kerr, at the time they had a different GM,

I think you have to start over. But the warriors have become conditional, circumstantial. We're not moving off staff and we're not moving off Draymond. Well, then you're just an old team that can't score on the fast break. And in the West, forget it. You're not viable. In the East, you could maybe play your way with Kerr's coaching and the experience. You could play your way into a conference championship,

it maybe probably wouldn't beat the Knicks. But, I mean, Bob Meyer, great guy, the GM then, it's Mike Dunleby Jr. now. But Mike, Bob Meyer knew it was over. He was the smart one. He left. He's like, I don't want to be part of a Steph, Drayman Clay explosion here. I'm out. He got out of the building.

And Steve Kerr, in regards to that email, a private email from Joe Lekam. Well, we're all frustrated. You know, Joe is frustrated. I'm frustrated. Stephanie's frustrated. Everybody's frustrated, and this is kind of how the league works. And, you know, I hate when people, you know, are going to post private emails. Like, I mean, imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly posted how tough that would be to live our lives.

Yeah, I mean, they're a 500 team, 13, 14, or 14 and 13, fast break points. Kaminga, three straight do not play. I think that's where Kansas City is at. I keep asking people, retool or rebuild. And this is not a criticism. I think they have a great GM. You start looking at the Rams roster,

the Lions roster, the Eagles roster. You know, you may have to part. I would never part with a great center. I think those are the most underrated players in the league. You may have to move Trent McDuffie, who I think is excellent, but can you get Trade McDuffie in a couple of seconds? I mean, he is.

By the way, I think the Rams would take that call. He played at Washington. West Coast kid. Trent McDuffie's excellent. But they've moved off corners before, and it didn't, you know, it didn't, wasn't that punitive. But I guess you and I agree on this is that they're not just Mahomes getting healthy away. They have averaged. They're like 16th in the league the last three years with Andy Reed in scoring. Okay, so you have the smartest play designer of my life outside of Bill Walsh, maybe.

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They're going to have a really difficult stretch ahead. And I think you're on to something with McDuffie. They did move off Tervarius Ward who wanted money. They're fine. They moved off Sneed. He busted in Tennessee. Think about this. line. I think McDuffie's gone. I think Nick Bolton is the name you got to watch. Very good linebacker,

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