The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - This NFL season

Episode Date: August 22, 2023

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J. Mack, I was almost right. So I said there's eight teams in the NFL with no chance to win a Super Bowl. I just got the standings. And I was right on that part. Commanders, Arizona, Buccaneers, Panthers, Falcons, Colts, Texans, Raiders are not winning the Super Bowl. And I like some of the Raiders part. they're not winning a Super Bowl.

I would agree. And then I said there's nine others that can absolutely win a playoff game but can't win four straight games and win a Super Bowl. Giants, Rams, Vikings, Packers, Bears, Saints, Patriots, Steelers with Kenny Pickett and the Titans.

Yeah, I would just say there's some disagreement there. We'll just leave it there. You've got the Titans, Tanniel hosting a trophy. You just said we're going to playoff game. Well, I'm just saying they can't win the Super Bowl either, but I could see them winning a playoff game.

Yeah. You don't think Kenny Pickett can win the Super Bowl this year. No. Interesting. And go through Burrow and Alan and Lamar and Mahomes and Russell and Payton. I'm looking up Super Bowl odds here. Okay. Where's Kenny Pickett's Super Bowl odds?

Oh, not great, actually. Plus 6,000 to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, I'm not. Okay. I mean, it's a little mispriced in my opinion. I am putting him in the category of could win a playoff game. He's not going to Arrowhead. and Cincinnati and Buffalo and Baltimore.

Mike Tomlin, clip this off and show it to the team. Show it to Kenny Pickett in that quarterback room. Mike Tomlin's got bigger fish to fry than a talking head guy. No, that's what he does. He feeds off the negativity in the media and out there in the ether. Maybe this will get him on my show. By the way, I hear a lot of people now talking about our Steelers 49ers season opener. Everybody wants Pittsburgh now.

We've been on this for over a month. I know. Well, this is our story. You know, our show's different. Nice try, guys. We were way all over that. Yeah. So this is, I want to go back to this about Jerry Jones.

Because I know we sort of, everybody kind of rolls their eyes at Jerry. So in the past 28 years, they have not been to an NFC championship. And I'd argue they're more popular now than ever. So the Cowboys brand is independent of their success. That's crazy. The Cowboys are. worth $9.2 billion. The next closest is $7 billion. After that, it's in the sixes. So there's so much more valuable than New York and L.A. and Boston and San Francisco markets. So when Jerry goes to

the owner's meetings and people listen to Jerry, Stan Cronkey's the richest owner, I believe, and he's close with Jerry. You know why they listen? 9.2 billion. So I don't know. The thing about what Jerry Jones did, you have to remember, he fired Tom Landry. That's like firing Billy Graham in conservative Texas. Then he trades Herschel Walker. He okays that deal. He took the NFL on over a Pepsi beverage deal. He's got a Dana White quality where he's audacious, he's fearless.

You can say what you want about Jerry, but the businessman, Jerry, is really incredible. I mean, generally speaking, if Michigan, in football, which is a huge brand, doesn't win, we don't talk about them. The Yankees were bad in the 80s. They couldn't fill stadiums. Nobody went to Yankee games. Didn't they get sold? Didn't Steinbrenner buy them for like $10 million or something? I mean, the Packers, when I was a kid, the Packers were not on television in the 80s. They stunk before Farr. Like most big brands disappear. I don't care if it's Apple. I mean, when Steve Jobs left Apple, they were almost, what, insolvent? The Cowboys haven't been to an NFC championship in 28 years. They're no less popular.

They're like they're independent, their brand's independent of their success. So you can say what you want about Jerry Jones. That to me is unbelievable. Every brand in my life, Microsoft couldn't get the phone right. Staggered for a while. Starbucks paid attention too much to ice cream. They rolled, they had their issues. The Cowboys just keep printing money. I mean, there were $2 billion more, $2 billion more than any other franchise. Chris Collinsworth's been to a few cowboy games, NFL analysts. You know, it is interesting because it's so easy to criticize Jerry. Right?

Because it's, but it's pretty, you know, I said this earlier. They're never terrible. They're always competitive. They've got good players. Like I look at Dallas this year and I'm like, oh yeah, I could see him in a conference championship. I mean, they're always kind of viable. I never think of the Cowboys as poorly run or, I mean, you do their games before. Their roster, could I not argue, is the top five, six roster today?

PFF, do you guys see it as that? No question about it. The main thing with the Cowboys and with Jerry, they're always interesting. Yeah. They're always interesting. No matter what's going on around that franchise, when you have Jerry Jones and as the owner. They're interesting. They're in the news. And while the Dallas Cowboys at one time might have been one of those franchises where you look back and you go, okay, they're, they're

conservative. Tom Landry's not going to say anything wrong. It's going to be perfectly done. We're in a different era. We're in the generation that everything is public. Everything is social media. Every comment that I make is broken down a million different ways on everybody's cell phones. And Jerry Jones was built for that. His franchise, his family was built for that. They know how to use it to their favor, to sell and to create new endorsement opportunities. So you can argue with the way that he does something. You can argue with the fact that they haven't won. You can argue anything you want. But when you're talking about how to run a business in today's society, just take a look at the Dallas Cowboys. They got it right. You know, J. Mack and I disagree with this yesterday. I said,

you know, everybody looks at the Giants and goes, well, it's Daibol. They kind of overachieved. They played the Vikings. And my takeaway is they have a star weapon. They upgraded at tight end. Daibol's a brilliant offensive coach. They have a, I mean, literally a franchise. left tackle, great, great defensive front, weaker NFC, winnable division, although Philadelphia's got better personnel. I look at the Giants and I'm like, we do this. It's kind of like, we love teams and we tear them down. In the NFC, I still think the Giants have a lot of, you know, Daniel Jones may not be Mahomes. He doesn't lose you games. Chris, he only threw five picks. He knows what he is. He knows what he's not. Where are you on the Giants today?

I think it's a really interesting question. We do the Giants on opening day, so I've been watching a lot of tape. I'm going to try to go back. I'm about a quarter of the way through his season last year, and I'm going to watch them all. I'm going to figure out exactly what it is that makes Daniel Jones tick. After the first five games that I've seen, something like that, I would say that he is, and boy, people are going to scream when they hear this, but he plays the game a little like Patrick Mahon. When you watch him play, it's not the first read that he typically beat you on.

He is somebody who wants to pull the ball down. If it's not there immediately, he wants to create some space. He's pretty good at maneuvering up and through the whole. He only runs a 4-8. I actually went back yesterday when I was watching the tape and go, okay, is he fast? How is he getting away from these defensive linemen and edge players? He's a 4-8 kind of guy. Patrick Mahomes is about the same thing.

Joe Borough is probably about the same thing. Even Tom Brady, who wasn't a fast guy, knows how to manipulate inside the pocket. Aaron Rogers does a great job of it. And creating that extra second two, sometimes three seconds, to give his receivers a chance to get open. But the one thing, and you hit on it, that I love about this team, and you're already seeing it in preseason. and if Darren Waller can stay healthy, right? If Darren Waller can stay healthy,

and I know he wasn't last year because I had him on my fantasy team and he killed me. But if he can stay healthy this year, you can do some things with him that you can't do with other tight ends. You can play that three by one set with three receivers on one side, a single receiver on the other side, and that single receiver can be Darren Waller. And Darren Waller now defensively, you've got a choice to make. Are you going to leave a cornerman?

over there on him one on one and leave the safety in the middle of the field to go help with the three receiver side on the other side or are you going to tilt your coverage and put an extra safety play too deep back there to try and help against Darren Waller. If you go one on one with him on the outside with the safety on the other side in the middle of the field, you inevitably, Daniel Jones is just going to throw the ball up in the air. We've already seen it. We've seen it in practice. We've seen it in games.

He's just going to try and take advantage. of that big body mismatch, and that's going to be something that he didn't have a season ago. Now you've got a strategic advantage on the three-receiver side, no matter who it is over there. And I think they're better at the wide receiver position. We saw a little bit more out of Jalen Hyatt the other day. And with scoring the touchdown, Paris Campbell is going to help them out there as well. So I think that this is a team that is going to gain an advantage. offensively, strategically in some ways going into this season.

And it wouldn't surprise me if, in fact, Baller stays healthy that he is the single force that changes this offense. So I tend to look at over-unders in gambling because I think, like I don't like Atlanta much, but the market does. So I'm probably wrong on that. They have Arthur Smith, a lot of number one first-round offensive picks. Denver's a fascinating one. And so Sean Payton is asked to rebuild multiple things simultaneously.

Rebuild Russell Wilson's confidence. Rebuild the culture. Rebuild the offensive line. That's a lot of asks in that division and in that conference. So to you, I did say the other night, Chris, Russell looks faster and thinner. He is not washed. That's nonsense. He can still play.

But what is realistic? That's a lot of things to ask, culture, O line, confidence. AFC, what are you, if I just said to you, what are they going to look like by Thanksgiving? What's your guess in Denver? I think they'll be greatly improved. Can they climb all the way up that ladder and go compete with the Chargers and the Chiefs? I don't know. Sean Payton's a great coach.

The one thing that he was able to do in New Orleans with Drew was he was able to take a smaller statured quarterback and complete a lot of passes around the line of scrimmage, whether they be in the flat, to the back, swing out, Michael Thomas, you know, whoever it was worked the interior of the field with some quick throws that set up big plays down the field. And we know that Russell is one of the best deep ball throwers in the game, right? That high arcing pass that he loves to throw. way you think he calls them the moon balls that he that he throws. But in order to set that up,

the way that they did in New Orleans, they really have to operate better in the middle of the field. I never thought that Russell Wilson, whether it was his size or he just chose the mobile route to get out and escape and do different things, that that was really the strength of his game, being able to sit in the pocket, you know, five-step drop, get the ball out quickly to the tight-in, a slant, whatever it was. I never thought he saw that part of the field great. And when I saw that Sean was hired to take over in Denver, I was immediately interested to see if he can transform Russell Wilson, because he has so many other skills and so many other abilities, if he can begin to dominate those little, that little 10-yard area of the field, now you set up other

opportunities, whether it be in the running game, the deep passing game, whatever it might be. But I think that as a coach and quarterback match that you wanted to improve something to Russell, that would be job one for me, what I would want to improve. So obviously, PFF is something I think I talk about it every day on this show. And you created it. It's very good. I never thought about line play. I'm on it during the season.

during the off season, it's your baby. You've got a pro football, PFF's fantasy punishment playoffs. You've got all this stuff. I want to talk, though, about the tools, the fantasy football tools, because fantasy football is gigantic, gambling's legalized, people, they want juice, they want action. So how is PFF connected to fantasy sports? A lot. We do a lot of that in-house.

Honestly, I probably spent more money with PFF on our fantasy tools this year. year, the mock draft simulator, the live draft assistant, all the things that we've built this year, in part because I was so intrigued with the punishments that I saw from whoever lost in their fantasy league, you know, they stick you in the back of a pickup truck, they car wash, they remove your chest hair. I'm like, no, I got to save my PFF people. I can't give them anything less than all the information that we have available from PFF in fantasy form. And so we've worked very hard on it. So we hope you'll go to pff.com, take a look and check it out. But it is now, you've hit it dead on that since fantasy and especially since gambling's come on board,

I don't want to say my phone's been ringing off the hook, but we've had a lot of interest from a lot of big players in the space. And so we're very excited about that. And we think that we're going to really be able to help. But primarily, we serve all the teams. We have 239 teams that we work for. I didn't know 239 people played football. I mean, by the time you add up, the NFL, all the college, all the different divisions of college football, USFL, XFL, Canadian football, like whoever's playing football, we work for them. And so we get this constant loop of feedback, what the teams think important is important what we do that they think is stupid and then we got wrong.

So since Neil Hornsby started the thing back in 2006 and built it up with our great football team here at PFF, it has really become a bit of a hardened product that has been battle tested by the NFL teams and now is getting battle tested from not just fantasy, but from damblers and from a lot of our consumer products too. One more question. when you were in Cincinnati, I remember you at Florida.

I remember a lot about your career because I'm old enough to remember it. And Cincinnati was more of a losing culture, and then it became a winning culture. And the team that I could argue is your team, is Detroit, losing culture. And here comes Dan Campbell, and he's going to eat kneecaps, and he's over the top. And I'm like, oh, this isn't going to work. And then there's something about Dan Campbell and is like a build. and his relatability. He's got this Mike Tomlin's sort of physical presence.

Vrable's got this. Guys play so hard. Detroit plays so hard. And you've been in that world, losing culture to winning culture. It's really hard, Chris. I mean, college pro. Do you buy Detroit? Can they move now past?

Last year, they were very interesting. But again, you know, they're watching the playoffs. Are they you? Are they a Bengals? Can they pop? Can they get to that next level? A winning culture?

I think that Dan Campbell is perhaps out of every coach that I've ever met, any of them, the most misunderstood and misinterpreted coach I've ever been around. It seems like the biting of the kneecaps line has stuck to him in a way that I've never seen anything stick to anybody. In reality, this guy is very intelligent. When you sit down and have a conversation, I don't know if you've had him on the show

or not, but if you haven't, you should try. Because you're going to really like the guy. He's very smart. He approaches everything in a very methodical way. He absolutely adores his players. And his wife was

telling me the other day that what he really loves to do is bake. I'm like, what? I said, bake. I go like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you know, cookies and cakes and what? And I, I turned to Dan, I was like, what? What? Are you serious?

He goes, yeah, he goes, but the problem is, I want it to be perfect. And if it's not perfect, I just take whatever I would bake and I would throw it away. But I literally would work on one recipe for an entire week. And I would, and I would keep. baking until I got that right. And I go, you know, this is a long way from biting kneecaps thing, you know, that we all know you about. And his wife was just laughing and he was laughing.

But it is, I think fundamentally, when you get right down to it, what he has done great with that organization is he did what the Philadelphia Eagles did. And that is build an offensive and defensive line. Yes. And when you can start with whooping, the other guy, just to go back to my Southern Roots here. You come out there and you're whooping the other guy up front. You got a chance.

And all of a sudden now, you've got a quarterback in Jared Gough who was kind of forced into this deal, right? I mean, they basically made the Detroit Lions take him and that salary. And now he might be the answer in Detroit. And if that's the case that this sort of throw in to a deal that you did becomes your answer.

quarterback after you traded Matthew Stafford and he won a Super Bowl and all the different things that had happened. But standing behind that offensive line has added to his confidence. They've got some good players on the outside now, Monroe St. Brown. You've hoped eventually Jameson Williams becomes a guy that they can depend on. But there is an opportunity now for this team to not just dominate running the football, but with their passing game as well, they've certainly enhance their back in. You know, Brian Branch is coming there. They love this guy.

They think that he is going to be a tremendous safety slash slot. C.J. Gardner Johnson has added this whole swagger to the entire defense. They really like Jack Campbell coming in there. Alex Anzolone, he's been a guy that's really helped them. So this is a football team that are going to play the Chiefs on opening night. We have the game. Don't forget Thursday night, it doesn't start on Sunday. it starts on Thursday night.

But I think there's, I was surprised, honestly, when they put the Lions against the Chiefs on opening night. But the more I look into the Lions, the more excited I am about the game. Chris Collinsworth, PFF. He does a tremendous job, has for years. He has really done it the right way. Got a job in broadcasting,

had a lot of different hats, outworked people, wonderful reputation in the biz, and is part of PFF, which I live on, and give him so much free publicity. I should be a shareholder of that thing. Listen. Deal.

Hey, congrats on your success. You're one of the good guys in the business. I'm really happy for you. Back at you, Colin. Thank you, buddy. All right, Chris Collinsworth, who was a Florida gator down there. One of the, came into that league, and it's like, that dude can run and catch and got on some great Cincinnati teams and has a great reputation as a really good guy as well,

and that matters. So Detroit's funny. You know, I do a segment every week, Colin Wright. and wrong. And I've said before, I don't think anybody in politics does it or sports because everybody's wrong. What you can't be in this business, you don't have to be 100% right. But, you know, when you make a prediction on a football game and you're with, and it's like Dan Campbell, I thought it just was not going to work. The whole kneecap stuff, and I watched him in Miami, and it was like, he's like a player. And Nick Seriani had a dreadful opening

press conference. I was embarrassed for him. He now makes fun of it. He now makes fun of it. Campbell came in way over the top and there's just something in the room. The guys like him. Siriani stepped back and said, I'm not going to call play. I got to get out of that call and play stuff. He knew what he wasn't. He got out of that. Boom. Shane Stuyken, home run. And Dan Campbell is, you know, he can be a little silly, very emotional. He'll cry at the microphone. But a lot of this sport is just buy-in. And so, Siriani, I just could not get past. I talk for a living. If you can't stand in front of a microphone and talk for five minutes, I'm like out. You know, it's how does that transfer to a locker room?

I don't know. But I mean, I came out for weeks on Seriani. I came out for months on Dan Campbell. This wasn't like just a quick little comment. Like I went all in Campbell, Seriani are not going to work. Segment after segment after segment after segment. That's wrong. They both work.

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It doesn't matter. They are hair on fire. And I spent 20 segments banging on Dan Campbell and Nick Seriani. That's wrong. It works. My bad. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app.

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No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So there's Trey Lance stuff, man. It's just not, the vibes are not good for Trey Lance, right? He's been under a lot of pressure since being taken third overall in 2021. That is up to downs, and it led Peter King to question his future in the NFL. Here's Peter King on poor Trey Lance.

If you're Kyle Shanahan, you've won. want to be fair, but you also have a Super Bowl ready team right now. And you can't be experimenting. You don't know if Trey Lance is your guy. You just don't. And so because you don't know he's your guy, what are you going to do? You just have to move forward. What's his next team if he does go? And even five years from now, is Trey Lance even going to be playing football? That's a question I would have, you know, because we just haven't seen enough to know anything about what he can do. Some of it just hasn't thrown the ball enough, even when that ball comes off his hand. It's just, it's like there's a reason golfers and tennis players just sit, repetition, repetition,

Tom Brady, repetition, repetition, LeBron, repetition. Trey hasn't thrown enough passes in real games, and it just looks rusty. It doesn't aesthetically look very good. It's just he just needs to play more football, and the Niners isn't the place to do that. That's what it comes down to. They drafted an experimental player, and they have a win-now roster. It's okay. He's not necessarily a bus, but send him somewhere to play.

Is it okay? You said it's okay. Okay for who? Trey Lance or the Niners? Well, I'm saying they get so caught up on, can he play? Is he good? Is he good? Did they ask themselves,

we're ready to win now. Is he ready to play now? And if the answer is no, and they probably said no, he needs a year. Well, now we're like two, three years into it, and it's not better. So their takeaway where they misjudged how long it would take to get him to his place. He may still get to his place, but he's not going to get to it with this roster. So he went pretty early in the draft, okay, 2021. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They could have had like a massive impact player drafted. That's always true. You can do that for every team. I mean, bro, they got zero out of them. So guys that went directly after him. Kyle Pitts, who's been up and down, but he hasn't had a quarterback. And they have Kittles, so they didn't really need him. Jamar Chase went fifth.

Jalen Waddle went six. And remember, they traded up. But let's be fair here. I know we know John Lynch. We work with him here. Let's be fair. I mean, this is a shaping up to be a colossal whiff. Well, okay.

But then they got Brock Purdy in the seventh. Doesn't it make up for it? They're not going to pay him for four years. kind of makes up for it, doesn't it? I mean, it's the first of all, here's what we know. Hold on. We know John Lynch, a GM, is controlling the top pick. We don't know who's controlling the seventh round pick.

At that stage, they might have been like, hey, what do you guys have? What do you think John Lynch just looks at quarterback? Well, I think he's looking at the scouts and his team, and they're like, hey, guys, we got a flyer seventh round. Who do you got? Brock Purdy. Well, I think it's more exact than that. Okay, but we know Lynch is controlling that third.

I think he's controlling the whole draft in which they found Kittle in the Did, last pick in the draft? Brock Purdy in the seven. He might, for all we know, he's blindfolded, throwing darts at a board in the seventh round. I don't think they are. You got to give the 30% of the first round whiffs. You got to give the Niners credit for Purdy, Elijah Mitchell, Jennings, Kittle. And not just bagging them because they missed on a first.

My takeaway is everybody whiffs on first. Okay. You can say first 30% whiff. What's the whiff rate on top five that you traded up for? That's a little more mistake in the. game than like the 26th pick in the first round. Let me tell you something, though. If Brock Purdy is as good as he was last year,

they have a free quarterback. Yeah. For three more years. Free. That's insane. They're not going anywhere. I love, it's interesting defensive. Hey, he whiffed badly on last,

but Brock Purdy, seventh round. Hey, listen, I've just watched my whole life. I mean, even guys like Chase Young, we were sure they were going to dominate. Where's Chase Young gone? Yeah. You got a bad, bad, bad injury.

No, no, no, I'm not saying. But he was a can't miss, change the game. It's like, there's not many of those. I mean, this stuff is hard. I know. I'm not trying to fire the guy. I'm just saying it's San Francisco. You turn it on the radio there.

They all want lent out. Green Bay is drafts incredibly well. What do we got with Jordan Love? They traded up for him too. Pittsburgh drafts incredibly well. Give me their last big playoff win. This stuff's hard. It's hard. It's everybody on the internet.

It's a genius. It's hard. You know, Ross is. Burger got old. Do you have Duck Rudolph back there for Mike Tomlin? You win in a playoff game with that guy? Come on. You think this draft thing is a piece of cake. Nothing's easy. It is

hard. They're all guessing. We know that. All of them. I don't care who's it. Bill Belich, a greatest coach ever. He's guessing in the draft. You're not a lot of... You're not guessing. If you have... You're making educated guesses, but there's so many mistakes by these guys. It's not easy. Well, I mean, but there are teams that draft,

the Chargers draft overwhelmingly positive. It's not, if it was They don't have a lot of playoff wins in the last season. Well, again, but their draft, Rashon Slater, Derwin James, good, can't stay healthy, Herbert. They don't have a lot of misses. So, make this about the Jets and Beckton and Zach?

No. But again, there's a great example. So we love Joe Douglas, whiffed on a quarterback and a left tackle. Now he's hit on virtually everything else. But those are arguably the two most important positions in football. Basically, your biggest hands at the poker table, right? And you whiff on both of them,

and you win all the rinky-dink $25-50 hands. Okay. You missed the $2,000 hand. It's a big loss. And I didn't like Zach Wilson at all out of college. And I just talk on the air. I called him the Mormon Mahomes. I know you did.

Whatever. Or the Mormon men Zell or something, whatever you called. You called him that. All right, the bills, they had a lot of drama. Oh, this is interesting. So over the weekend, they racked up 12 penalties in the first half. And, oh, by the way, this wasn't the backups. Wow.

A lot of this was starters. The Seahawks, I'm sorry, the Steelers destroyed Buffalo in the first half. And McDermott was ticked off. Here's what he had to say. Yeah, unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. And then guys got to do it. They got to take ownership of responsibility.

So it's not like we don't talk about discipline, and that's a part of our environment. But obviously, we've got more work to do there. And we're pulling guys out, and it's still not getting done. So, you know, obviously we go back to the drawing board, and I've got to figure out something there. And at the end of the day, it's my responsibility. He's intense.

He took that responsibility from legendary. Lee Frazier. He's intense. That's the word. He's very old-school intense. Defensive guy. You know, I'm not a big fan of defensive. There are exceptions to the rule. We didn't talk about it yesterday, but you know this guy, Stephen A. Smith reported that, oh, Stefan Diggs wants out. He wants out. Stefan Diggs went like five minutes later on social media. He was like, that's not true. That's total garbage. So I thought I'd add that. Here's the tweets from Diggs, taking shots at Stephen A. Smith, who tried to parachute into the NFL. Well, let's not be a, Stephen A, has it broken many stories through the years?

Yeah, a lot of NFL stories, yeah. So, I don't know, man. It's just drama just surrounding the bills all offseason. Well, if you go look at Josh Allen's cap hit next year, win now. I'll just say that. Win now. Because it is punitive by next year. Wonder if they had those penalties figured out by the season Oprah against the Jets on Monday. Day Night Football. You know, we should do a live stream. You and I watch that game together, maybe at a bar. Why would you add work to our schedule? The way to do it is reduce work.

We're just going to be hanging out, talking, and watching the game, and commenting. I like to watch my game with a notepad and take notes. You can do that at a bar. I don't need like an audience. I want Claire, I don't drink during games. Okay, fine. We can have waters. I just want to see your reaction when Cook

is getting loose. That's a Monday night game. Yeah, and Rogers is just finding Garrett Wilson wide opening at that bad second Barry. Yeah, I don't... Yeah. You're hard to keep under control in non-games during the day. You'd be...

Let's be real. You're excited for that game. Jets Bill's not... I'll tell you the game I can't wait for. Bears Packers has got me all worked up. I may just get off Red Zone and just watch that. It's like a 1613 kind of slobbered on. I don't care.

I can't wait for it. Are you done? No, no, no, no. This... I'm surprised you didn't lead the show with this. So, Steph Curry, you know, he's my guy. came on this show, 2017, and said he was the second best point card of all time, and all these people hated me. Well, Steph Curry went on the Gilbert Arena's podcast yesterday.

Gilbert Arenais actually went to him and said, who's the best point card of all time? And Steph Curry kind of surprised some people when he said himself. Here's the audio. Are you the best point guard ever? Yes. I have to, yes. It's me and Magic? It doesn't be the conversation?

I mean, obviously, I have to answer it that way, but I really feel like, to your point, like Magic's resonates is ridiculous. Vegas. All right. So the fact that we're even having that conversation is a, that's a place I never thought I'd be in. But Magic, like that's a lofty resume to shoot for, right? So I'm still going. Let's see what happens. I got no problem with that. I think it is Steph Curry and Magic. Totally different players. Correct. I mean, it's like comparing pocket quarterback with mobile quarterback. So Curry and Magic. The difference is Curry, magic could be here's some stats we got on the screen they're both amazing so let's just stop they're both absolutely and they're totally different players they've amazingly played almost the exact same amount of games because curry had a bunch of anchored and then and the other thing is you can't compare eras here

magic could do things step curry could magic could play center he could give you 24 rebounds 23 assists curry's not that player but magic never had a beautiful you know magic stepf curry can score 32 points in eight minutes. Yeah. So one of them is the lightning quick score and ball handler, and the other one is the greatest Swiss Army knife along with LeBron that's ever played. Magic could give you whatever you needed. I mean, seriously, he played center in the finals and was great.

Game six sixers, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I guess he against, I don't know who they called Well Jones or something back. I mean, Moses Malone was the start. And by the way, Magic and Curry also added a glamour dynamic and a. Flash appeal, that they're both fun to watch. My two favorite point, I mean, John Stockton and Isaiah Thomas are all great. But Curry and Magic, literally, there'll never be other players. Look at Magic's highlights now.

That's 30-year-old video. It's still insane what he's doing with the basketball. So he's my favorite player ever until Curry clips him. I'll ask you two questions on this. Number one, who do you think had a bigger impact? Hold on the NBA. Okay, Magic Johnson. Curry. Because a lot of people instantly say, well, Magic and Bird may have a game.

Literally changed the game of basketball globally. Magic was just remarkable. That's the correct answer. Number two. Who's had the better supporting casts? Wait, wait. Magic played with a top four player all time in Jabar. Magic.

And James Worthy. Magic. Top 75 player all time. Magic's had the better. Okay. So that is really, people don't talk about that. Holy cow, Magic played with Worthy? Who had a triple double in game seven?

NBA finals was the finals MVP. It's not an unreasonable take to say that Kareem's the greatest player ever. It's not unreasonable. He was like a 19-time All-Star or something. I mean, it's not an unreasonable take to say that, you know, Bill Russell is the winningest player for almost double the titles of MJ. Yeah, MJ. And it's not an ridiculous take to say Kareem is the most dominant player in league history. That's not crazy.

And he opened his career with Kareem. Not a bad place to start. Great owner. Support system. Had the best owner. I mean, the bus. By the way, the new show just started on HBO this week. I didn't watch episode one. Why don't they market that show?

HBO's not marketing enough. I feel like the streaming, they're technically streaming, right? Max. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't do a good job. I don't know when seasons start. So I've recorded it. I got to watch it.

But I think Steph Curry's not wrong. Let me say that, that he's the best point card of vote. I don't think he's wrong. Yeah, we agree. Uh, J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Live.

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