The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Tom Brady joins The Herd, Bears vs Packers, the future for the Eagles

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

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You're going to see some really good quarterback play here. Carson Beck, Trinidad Chamblis, and tomorrow night, Dante Moore, Fernando Mendoza, that's some good quality college quarterback play.

Very excited. You know, it's interesting, is that sometimes, and I understand the attractiveness of this, that there's an outlier or an exception or an anomaly. Like when Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time and you look where he gets drafted, and then Brock Purdy's playing,

and everybody's like, oh, you can find quarterbacks everywhere. 12 of the 14 quarterbacks were drafted in the first round that are in the playoffs. And Jalen Hertz was top of the second. Oh, by the way, the three teams that go. just missed the playoffs. You know what those are. Detroit,

Tampa Bay, Baltimore, their quarterbacks also taken in the first round. So, and Brock Purdy, let's be honest, between George Kittle, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, those are all first ballot hall famers.

He's got generational tech. George Kettle is the top three tight end ever. Top three or four tied end. He's still great. Trent Williams, top six, seven, left tackle all time. McAfree is the third best running back I've ever seen behind Peyton and Barry Sanders. And the quarterback whisper. So I think it's a great

story. Tom Brady would not be drafted in the sixth round if he came out today. He led the Big Ten in completion percentage. I mean, J.J. McCarthy was a game manager. He went in the first round. So I think these are great stories.

I understand everybody loving the oh my God, you can get quarterbacks everywhere. 23 of the top 25 offensive tackles, left tackles in league history or first round. The planet only makes so many guys at 6, 7, 320 with great feet. They go in the first round. So there's always been this feeling, well, it's just you don't know what you get. No, there's a lot of misses in the first round, but you're great quarterbacks.

You know, Tom Brady's not going late rounds now. People say, well, what about Dak Prescott? how many conference championships he's been in he's really good but he went in the fourth round kirk cousins where are all the where all the super bowls the great ones go early and yes kurt warner to me is you know bag and groceries that's all-time crazy but but it's like the the movie hoosiers is based on a true story the movie miracle is based on a true story I mean, Kurt Warner is the amazing story, right? But that's not the rule is you get your left tackles and you get your quarterbacks.

I mean, you look around the NFL right now. You look, Miles Garrett. Well, there's a first round guy. So, you know, Brady led the Big Ten in completion percentage. So he would, he'd not, he'd not going later around. I mean, you take guys now in the first round. Josh Allen and Mahomes didn't have winning records in college. But I mean, Tom is six, five.

Well, he wasn't a great athlete. Was Jared Goff? Jared Goff went number one from Cal. Was he a great athlete? It's just, it is. And people say, well, Brock Purdy, why did he go last? The Niners skipped him six times. Again, why did Kurt Warner not get drafted?

There are absolutely exceptions to everything. You know, in the NBA, I do think it really helps to be strong, physical, with a great vertical jump and hyper-athletic. But you do realize who led the NBA in scoring in the 1980s, Alex English, who I'm not sure if I fold this paper, he could have jumped it over that. Jumped over that. I mean, I loved Alex English,

but he played in the right system in Denver with, I think, Doug Moe. They scored to head, you know, it was Issle and Fat Lever and Alex English. Alex English led the NBA in scoring in the 80s. he was not dunking. He, a little bit of an SGA feel to him. I mean, look at SGA right now. He's your NBA like scoring guy. SGA doesn't fit the profile of wildly dynamic jump over Michael Jordan guy.

There's outliers to everything. And I just think the scouting right now is so good. Every game is on television. It's just, I mean, I mean, I, like right now, Mendoza and Dante Moore, if they come out. Those are really good quarterbacks. You know, guys transfer now. So they're not only identified in the NFL.

They're identified. I mean, Kurt Signetti identified Mendoza at Cal. So there's much better coaching, much better offensive coaching today. Tom Brady would not be a late round pick when he led the Big Ten in completion percentage. He would not fall to that slot today. And with that, Tom Brady is joining us live. He'll be doing the Niners Eagles games. seven times Super Bowl champ.

So I went and looked, this is funny, Tom. I went and looked at your highlights this morning of your first NFL start. Tom scampering for a rushing touchdown. Playing in a, you know, playing in, I lived there for 10 years, New England weather. Were you nervous? First start, go back to it. What were you like emotionally? It was actually such a great day for football when you see that there's only a few kind of games in your career where you have that type of weather.

I remember going out there in pregame warm up and it was like six inches of snow on the ground. I thought, okay, the pass rush isn't going to be too tough today. So kind of me plowing through the snow and diving in there for the touchdown, I was one of the memorable moments in my career. And I never played in a game. There was maybe one other game where I had that type of weather conditions. But for so many reasons, I still can remember the way the snow was falling in pregame. And, you know, I had these visions of kind of in a weird way.

I can kind of go back to that day and relive it in my own mind when I see these highlights. So thanks for bringing it up. There's a lot of great memories. Probably not for the Raider fans are from my boy Charles Woodson, who still, you know, literally I think every time we see each other in some form or fashion, you know, some type of fumble or non-fumble event comes up. But it was a really special first playoff start for me. And it was, I think, the last game in that stadium as well.

So it was a lot of great memories. So let's talk Eagles 49ers. I was saying to the staff yesterday, we were thinking of questions, and I said, the Eagles are the opposite of your Patriots. They're loud. There's drama. They're uneven. They have half.

They don't complete passes. I'm not exactly sure what Siriani is, but he's a winner. Your Patriots, I always said this. You guys were like the brilliant accounting firm. I knew what I was getting every Sunday. The weather didn't matter. The opponent didn't. I knew exactly when I lived in Connecticut what the game would look.

you'd have maybe one game a year where it unraveled. I don't even know series to series what I get from Philadelphia. You've done their games. How do you explain their success when they're this uneven, this loud consistently? Yeah, you're right. But let me go back. First of all, famously, New England isn't known for drama. I think we had more Gates than Logan International Airport for 20 years.

There was always some sort of drama happening with our team over the, course of the year. And I think it's the product of having a lot of successful moments too, where, you know, I look at Philly and they got a tough media market. And in the Northeast in general, I think there's always these environments that are a little bit tougher for the fans, for the players. You know, it's a tough city. It's a hard-nosed city. The fans, they expect a lot every year. So they've had success, obviously, in the Super Bowl a few years ago, then they won it last year. And, you know, now it's like well we should just win every game but the reality of the NFL is you don't win every game the competition is really tough and then when you cover the team you're always looking for

little chinks in the armor and I think that ends up kind of feeling like you know there's distraction or drama because a j brown doesn't get every target or sayquan's not rushing for 2,000 yards again but understand in some ways those are anomalies you know that season sayquan had last year was an anomaly. He's a phenomenal player. He's going to be a Hall of Famer, but no running back rushes for 2,000 yards every year. So when it's less than 2000, we all make a big drama that it's not 2000 again. But the reality is it's probably closer. This year's maybe a little down for him for a number of different reasons, but he's still a phenomenal player. The Eagles, they still got a great football team. If they're drama and they're sitting in the position they're in, I'm sure Coach

Siriani would take the drama every single week the way that he ends up approaching his management to the team. But I think there is dangerous as a playoff team as there is alive right now. So there's an interesting stat with Kyle Shanahan. And I love Shanahan. I think he's the great play designer of his generation like Andy was for years or Bill Walsh. But there is a weird stat and I think it does point to it when a stat gets too weird, I said last hour, it's usually a personality thing. He has the best play sheet in the league that use the most motion, but he doesn't

come from behind. There's a remarkable number with Shanahan, like if he trails by seven plus points at half, they don't win. My knock is that he is a little tied to the play sheet. That I think a coach should be more way-mo than

Google Maps. You got to go with the flow. Right, go with the flow, and I want to go back to Josh McDaniel, because you, Sean Payton, Bow, Knicks, Ben Johnson, Caleb. You were a guy, Elway was this. Sometimes you rip it up and start over. Give me some examples in the playoffs.

Are there times, maybe those Baltimore games, Tom, when you went into it and said, guys, this isn't working. We have got to change. I mean, did you have, like, dramatic halftime moments like that? I don't know if it's dramatic, but I think when you have the continuity that we had over a period of time in the playoffs, you could quickly adapt.

because it's hard in a playoffs if you get down early in the game. And we add a few games this year where teams were, you know, Chicago, for example, like Caleb had six yards passing in the first half, then he comes out in the second half, and he rattles off 200 plus yards, and they win the game, and it's a dramatic kind of come from behind win that the bears would have. But in the playoffs, it becomes much more difficult to come back by 10 points or more against a very good football team.

Right. So I would just say, though, the important part to realize in all this is every team is built a specific way. The 49ers have always been built to run the football, to play good defense, and use a lot of play action pass to get explosives. The strength of their team isn't the wide out position this year. You know, with Ayuk's situation, they've kind of brought in some, some, you know, receivers that Joanne Jennings, I like, Boren, I like, but at the same time, I would say the strength

their team is thrown to the halfback, throwing the ball to the tight end. And it's not kind of maybe what we see at a traditional. traditional Kyle Shanhan offense. It doesn't mean they can't come back. I do think it's difficult with some of these systems, though, that are built on the run game and play action pass to come back. You know, I was a part of more, I would say a dropback passing team, where our passing concepts were very detailed, very methodical,

our protection schemes, very methodical in detail. I probably had 20 to 30 different protection schemes. I would say the West Coast offense has maybe half of those. So there are things that that West Coast offensive, offense has done with some of these coaches they can do that are tremendous when they play in their style. And I think when they get out of their style, ultimately that's what you're trying to do. When you're playing good teams, you're trying to get to play left-handed. You're taking away their stars. You're minimizing their strengths and you're maximizing their weaknesses.

There's always a formula to win. I think the 49ers, they're going to win this week. They better get out to a lead. They better play from ahead. And they're going to need to to create some issues for this Eagles offense to get them off track a bit too because they play so well and they have performed very well in the biggest moments. So one of the similarities with you and Mahomes is that you both had great success early in the playoffs. So you never had this thing hanging over your head. Yeah. Like, oh, they can't win those close ones.

Well, Buffalo's O for its last eight playoff road games. Josh is 0.5. usually golf and baseball, there's downtime. The sport can get into your head. Hockey football, basketball, you don't have prolonged slumps. You've got a series coming up. But I do think, Tom, it's tied at 24 late. Buffalo's got the ball.

I can't believe they, I think all the pressure in the world's on Buffalo, of all the teams this weekend, that's got to play a little psychological part. Does it not? Yeah, well, I think it's very psychological, very emotional. When they've been in these situations, they haven't played the type of winning football needed in order for them to advance. And sometimes they've gone against, in my opinion, Patrick and the Chiefs team, which

has been the team that everyone's always aiming for. You get caught up in those games against, you know, the Chiefs, they've been a tough out for a long time. Now, they're out of it this year, so can Buffalo find it within themselves to play their best football in the biggest moments? look some weeks they've looked great the passing game looks great obviously their runners one of the top backs in the NFL and the way Josh plays when he's playing his rhythm you know he's virtually impossible MVP caliber season

last year and I thought he played very well this season so the good part about the playoffs is it's not where you play it's not who you play it's how you play and if if it really interesting the playoffs this year how you play in these games is going to determine who moves on the team that doesn't turn the ball over, controls a line of scrimmage, plays well in situational football, makes the stops in the red area, or, you know, or it goes the opposite way. And that's why I think this playoffs, more so than what I can remember in the past, the NFL has done an unbelievable job this season with the parody in these games.

And it's been so fun for me to cover them for Fox from my vantage point. I'm sure it's been very fun for the fans watching at home. So Bears Packers meeting for a third time, would you rather have familiarity in the playoffs, a constant rival or opponent, or did you like the element of surprise? They don't know you. You don't know them. Your tricks.

I mean, I don't, which side do you like playing a team for a third time? I would say that's pretty tough. Look, if you're in the playoffs, it shouldn't matter who you're playing, where you're playing. Again, this is all about like you're in, you've got a shot. You've got an opportunity. Now, what are you going to do with that opportunity? I've called five Chicago Bears games this season.

Nobody thought they would have the type of season that they've had. We had them in Green Bay where Caleb threw kind of an interception at the last play of the game to Kishon Nixon, which sealed the victory for the Packers. Then all of a sudden this crazy comeback, which was America's Game of the Week, where they were covered an onside kick and they go to overtime and Caleb hits the bomb downfield. And this is what you love about it. These two teams know each other so well. guys are coming out of, you know, some unheralded receivers from the bears have made some plays late in these games.

So it is a super tight matchup for this game. This is one of the most intriguing games of the weekend. I can't wait to see how both teams played. And look, they know each other so well. So now it really does come down to the fundamentals and possession of the football and knowing your assignments, details. These are really tremendous programs this season, great coaches. we'll see if who's the most prepared when they take the field.

So it's such an offensive league now. 12 of the 14 quarterbacks are first round guys. If I was Seattle, if I was Seattle, I would not want to buy. I think they're young, hot, I'd want to play. Same with Denver. I'm not a big buy fan. Now, again, you played in the division. You had a lot of those.

So I do wonder, Seattle and Denver aren't playing. Did you like the extra time, or did you just want to keep playing? Yeah, so it's a great question. It is not a week of rest. Let me say that. It's a week of preparation. And it's a week of preparation for what is going to be the most difficult game of the season

because it's whoever you play will have won a playoff game as you approach that game and that week. They're going to have tremendous confidence. Whoever you're going to play, like, man, we're already in the playoffs. We won a game. These guys have been sitting there not preparing, they're rested. But to me, it was like, what can we get done during this week that's going to give us

an advantage for the following week? So to actually have the week off, to really take inventory this late in year, what you're good at, what you're not good of. I always thought was really important. I felt like I was really fresh going into the divisional round. I'm sure with the, you know, there's some great coaching. Obviously, Sean Payton with what he's done. And, you know, young Mike McDonald's.

as a coach and kind of the valuable experience that he's gained from last year into this year, Seattle's been tremendous on defense. Their defensive line is one of the greatest, you know, D-lines in football, probably the best D-line in football. They're suffocating on defense, and that goes a long way. If they, you know, get a turnover to going to Seattle and trying to win with that crowd noise, that is a very, very tough out to try to get Seattle out of the playoffs. So I'm a Stafford over Drake May MVP, and the reason being, I think even the NFL uses strength of schedule in tiebreakers.

And Stafford's schedule, he beat number one Houston defense, number two, Seattle was great against the Jags defense, played Philadelphia. This is not a knock on Drake May, but they had the weakest schedule in 26 years. I do think there is, I think schedule has to matter when one team has the weakest in 26 years and the other has an excellent schedule. I don't know if you voiced this publicly. I think you're leaning Stafford. Are you not? Yeah, I just said, look, I love Drake May and what he's done. In his second, you're working with Josh McDaniels,

who's another tremendous coach and has done such a great job, kind of understanding what Drake's capable of, and Drake's taken advantage of every opportunity that he's got. And I don't know, I always think in these awards, when you say one thing that's positive about someone, it means you're saying something negative about the other. It's not like that at all. They both had incredible years.

I just see Matt Stafford is a whole, Hall of Fame level quarterback that has played his best season of football. And he's done it against, you know, in any conditions, 46 touchdown passes. He's just been incredible. And I just love that the way he leads his team. And, you know, there's no bad choice at this point. You're talking about some of the best players in a league. But Matt has, in my opinion, he's just really exceeded everyone's expectations this season.

And what an incredible quarterback. And what a career he's had. Wrap it up with this. There's a famous clip where you go to the sidelines, and Belichick says, settle down, Tommy. Settled down. You're like, I'm the guy ran the wrong route. So Drake May, first playoff game.

Caleb Williams, that crowd's going to be electric. First playoff game. You know, Jalen Harts has been around the block, Josh Allen. So how did you, I mean, even at the end, you get to Super Bowls. Like, how did you control emotionally that first pass, that first series, because it's just playing at the Masters is different than the Buick Open.

Playing a playoff game is different than week 12. How do you control it? So I guess the point, Colin, first of all, that clip with Belichick always thinks funny because he would never come up to me at the first quarter of the first series of a game and tell me to settle it until I realized he was miced up. And then that came out, and that's like,

oh, God, now I got it. But it's a good exchange because I actually can sink back into that memory as well. And we had such a great rapport. Actually, always have in touch with him. And he's been a great mentor for me. And he was always trying to get the best out of me, which is like what a lot of these great coaches in the playoffs are doing with their

quarterbacks. And how do you prepare these quarterbacks for playoff football? You put pressure on them every single week to be their best. And you don't wait for the playoffs to go, all right, guys. Well, now it's playoffs. Let's do something different. You've been preparing them all offseason since April. so that they can be at their best when it matters the most for their team.

So I just felt like the pressure to succeed on a daily basis in great organizations and to not let your teammates down prepared you for the biggest moments of the season when everybody's watching and that's when you need to play your best. The margin of air is the smallest because you're playing the best teams. So you need to be at your best. And the only way to be at your best on these days is to think about, over the course the entire off season, you need to be at your best every day. And that's the reality of professional sports.

That's what the great athletes do. That's what the great quarterbacks do. Constantly putting pressure on themselves to succeed regardless of the moment. And that prepares you for these big moments that they're about to face this weekend. You know, we have so many interesting offensive stories. And a franchise that doesn't get any attention is Jacksonville. And I think you and you probably like Trevor Lawrence at Clemson. on, we all thought.

Yeah. But he was kind of turnover prone. And then he gets Liam Cohen. And this will be my final question. What is Liam doing to create clarity? I always felt Trevor got lured into bad picks. And now he doesn't.

Is it scheme? Is it tempo? What is Liam doing that we get the real Trevor Lawrence now? Well, it's a lot of things. And I think Liam's done a great job. Even when he was at Tampa last year or he has a couple opportunities to, you know, really kind of take the skill sets that he's learned from other coaches that he's been around and then morph them into a system where they have a lot

of good skill players. And Trevor is, you know, a coach has got to get the players a lot of layups. Good OCs get their quarterback's layups. You don't have to thread the needle on every single throw. You got guys that are wide open. Great. There's a big margin of air on a big portion of the passes. That's the goal of an offensive coordinator.

It's to how do we create through our scheme, into the route concepts or run concepts, how can we give our players a little bit of an advantage? Because the reality is if you don't give them an advantage, I'd liken it to a golfer. Would you rather hit a three-iron or four-iron into a green, or would you rather hit a pitching wedge? Right. Over time, the more pitching wedge you hit when your opponent's hit in three-irons or four-arms, the more of an advantage you have. And the good coordinators, like Liam, and I know he's a head coach, but he calls the plays,

like a Kyle Shanan, like a Josh McDaniels, like a Sean Payton, these guys are hitting sand wedges into greens. And that's what you want to do. And then ultimately the quarterback needs to play a part of that. As you mature, you get older, you start to give your coordinator, okay, these are the things I really love. This is what I'm really confident. You become an extension of the coaching staff,

and that's when you really start firing on all cylinders. That's what I did. That's what Drew Brees did. That's what Peyton Manning did. we had our own imprint on what the game plan should be we were totally confident in everything that was being called which allowed us to go out there and execute at our best 49ers eagles sunday four eastern on fox uh that it's there's going to be some records broken that is going to be so intense two huge NFL blue bloods um tom as always i appreciate you stopping by hey thanks for inviting me back i know shanks and zager had to call to try to get

on. So eventually, you know, you'll just invite me yourself, but I'm glad we were able to make this work certainly as we go into the playoffs. Thank you. Tom Brady. Seven times Super Bowl champ. He is, you know, I don't like to bother people, you know. Maybe

I'll just get on the phone and, you know, make things happen. That last answer is fascinating. It's a really great way to put it. The more times you can hit a pitching wedge instead of a three iron, the better the golfer. No matter how well you hit the three iron. If I get to hit the wedge or my nine or my eight and you're hitting

Fairway Woods over the course of time, I'm going to win the round. That's a great way to put it. You got to create some layups. You got to give these guys, not everything, hey, Trevor, just go be unbelievable. I always said this about Michael Jordan. Michael mastered the mid-range jumper. In about three times a game, Michael would put the tongue out, switch hands in mid-air, and you'd be like, oh, okay, that's Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's career was 91% 16-footers. But you get the highlights, and you're like, oh, that's it. No, it wasn't.

Same with Mahomes. Mahomes just doesn't miss any layups. You go to the Super Bowls with Mahomes. He always has one huge scramble late in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl wins, and there's probably a cup, there's a left-handed throw, or there's a red zone player like, okay, that's insane. You get about three of them of his 34 dropbacks. That's it.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, a couple weeks ago, there was a report about a potential coaching swap. Remember there was a Stefanski for McDaniel trade? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We kind of laughed it off like, come on, that stuff doesn't happen.

Well, interestingly, Mike McDaniel was fired today. Stefanski had previously been fired by the Browns. Is there a world where the coaches end up in the opposite team? according to a report from Brown's beatwriter Mary Kay Cabot, that could happen. Mike McDaniel is a guy that the Browns want to interview for their head coaching job. I didn't think there was any possibility of this. Do you think McDaniel is clamoring to coach either Dylan, Gabriel, or Seder?

I think Mike McDaniel is one of those guys, if he took a year off, is that, first of all, there's going to be seven job openings. next year in the cycle is that his resume overtime rule will wear well. You will forget his last year that was a mess. You'll go back and go. He got

two into the playoffs twice with a bad GM. So I think sometimes, and coaches aren't good at this, take a deep breath. I mean, Mike Vrabel took a year off. He had more power a year later. Well, he had done a lot in Tennessee. They were the number one seed.

You know, has McDaniel done enough to warrant another head coaching job? He made the playoffs for an organization that doesn't make the playoffs much. So I would ask you, what's the primary difference between, say, Cliff Kingsbury, who made the playoffs with Kylo Marie in Arizona and Mike McDaniel in Miami?

Are they similar? Just offensive guys who maybe can't be that alpha in the locker room and be that Dan Campbell pounding the table kind of guy? I think there's some similarities. No, I think there's probably some similarities. They're great play designer, play callers. They're not necessarily great culture guys.

And I think the legends of the game are mostly culture guys. Andy Reid, you know, Brady talked about this. Andy Reid is an exception. Shanahan's an exception. But, you know, a lot of guys are just their walk-around guys. They walk around. They coach the coaches. So, but, I mean, making the playoffs twice.

I mean, if you're going to fire Stefansky, who I think is considered two-time coach of the year a better version of McDaniel, why would you do that? Why not just keep Stefansky? Right. So, which leads me to my next question, Colin, if you're advising Mike McDaniel, and you're like, hey man, Brown's job opening, do you want it? You could be the head coach, or you could go be the OC of Jaden Daniels in Washington, or the O.C. of Jared Gough in Detroit. Is that more attractive than head coach of the Browns with like no quarterback, like a kind of a bad quarterback situation? That's a tough one. I don't know what you'd advise them to do.

I think Arizona and Cleveland are not good jobs. Or Tennessee. I'm sorry, Tennessee. Is that a good job with Campbell? It can be a little bit political. Everybody that leaves Tennessee, you ever notice, they flourish. Derek Henry, A.J. Brown, Kevin Byard. Have you ever noticed that?

Everybody that leaves is great. It's got a little bit of a Jets feel to it. Why aren't they as good in Tennessee? Why is Vrable leaves immediately? I mean, look at Vrable leaves, home run. AJ Brown Kevin Byrd Derek Henry

Why is that that everybody It's a pretty good idea That things aren't right When people leave your company And elevate It's a fair point

You know for years and years People left New England And they didn't They disappeared Randy Moss is the greatest player He leaves it's like Oh where did Randy go Like the Dion Branch

Wide Receiver Oh, a guy's amazing. He leaves Tom. Well, not quite the same receiver. So I think I just don't think Tennessee's wired right. Okay. All right. Let's move back to the John Harbaugh's story. He left the Ravens, or the Ravens dumped him. After 18 seasons, after that brutal week 18 loss. I'm just curious, Colin.

Do you think he's still coaching if Tyler Loop makes the field goal and the Ravens advance to the playoffs? Pittsburgh has shown no indication they are comfortable with changing coaches in the last 30 years. They're just not what they do. Chuck Noel, Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin. It's almost, by league standards, it's nuts. Yeah. You wonder if things would have been flipped. But anyways, Mike Tomlin went on the Rich Eisen Show

and talked about his guy Harbaugh and their relationship. Our stories will forever be interwoven. This rival, we've been fortunate and honored enough to be a part of. I just got so much respect for him and how he's gone about his business. and we've certainly had some legendary battles over the years. You know, in terms of him being let go, unfortunately, I just think it's a component of today's sport culture. Yeah, and some people push back and they said,

well, he was there for 18 years. Yeah, but Tomlin's right. You wouldn't even have considered firing him 15 years ago because he has an off-season when Lamar's hurt. I do think these owners are now multi-billionaire, and they're more impulsive and more willing to write big checks to get rid of an entire room of high-paid employees. Yeah, I mean, it's not sexy, but it makes sense to say, listen, Harbaugh had run its course in Baltimore. He's going to work somewhere else. It just, it had gotten stale there.

I mean, clearly something happened with him and Lamar. I'm waiting for that story to come out, Colin. Because, like, you don't really leave Lamar Jackson and a contender, do you? Well, it sounds like Steve Boshadie and his front office disagreed, but, Steve Boshadhi made the call. What I read yesterday is the guys around the office, the executives were like, we should keep him. That's not the issue here. And Bashadhi overruled his front office.

Steve Bichotti's actually very involved. I've been told this for years, very involved in Baltimore. But he's smart enough, unlike Jerry Jones, to not make it public how involved do you? Now, listen, you and I agree on this Harbaugh stuff? There are some people who are saying, listen, man, you talk about blown leads and Shannon. of hand never coming back. I mean, look at Harbaugh's history of blown double-digit leads in the fourth quarter the last couple years. He's got this deep analytics team and does he listen to them? I don't know. Are the Derek Henry not carrying stuff? No, they've had some weird game plans in big

spots. How about that Chiefs game? In the AFC title game at home a couple years ago. I mean, I remember because I lost money on them, but you came in, you watch the game plan. You're like, what are you guys doing? What was happening? And you can't always blame the O.C. Anyways, final story, Con, let's go to Mike Rable, who orchestrated an amazing turnaround in New England. From 4 and 13 to 14 and 3 win the AFC East, I think you kind of sort of called this. But he does not want his team to be satisfied with just the playoff berth. Here he is talking yesterday. We need to embrace the preparation, and I want him to continue to enjoy the execution and everything that goes on with us.

I'm excited. I'm excited for these guys to prepare. I'm excited to coach them. And I hope that we're locked in every week And I'm imagining we'll get everything we chat out of them Yeah, we'll see It's the last game on Sunday And then Monday you got Steelers Texans

It's my last I don't know if I can pull the trigger It's the numbers three and a half I will take the charges Because I do think it's going to be low scoring Very low score I can't tell what my favorite game is it should be Eagles Niners. Oh, that's my favorite game.

I want it to be. I just, I'm worried about my guy Brock Purdy. You remember, by the way, he got hurt at the very end of that Seattle game. He's laying on the field, writhing in pain. Now he's got to face Jalen Carter and company. A little nervous for Brock. It seems to get binged up a lot. I need to fix that offensive line.

Okay. All right. Jay, Merrick, for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays and noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app.

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And they absolutely, worst in the league, don't win trailing by a touchdown in the fourth quarter. I mean, they're below Tennessee and they're below Arizona and Carolina trailing by seven plus points in the fourth quarter since 2017. Just think about that. Worse than Cleveland. The worst, worse than the Jets. and I asked Tom Brady about that sort of random stat.

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I do think it's difficult with some of these systems, though, that are built on the run game and play action pass to come back. For the record, that's what the Seahawks are built on. It's that run game and Darnold's a very effective play action pass quarterback. So what did the Seahawks do, J. Mack at the trade deadline? Rashid Sahit, a deep threat. That's why A.J. Brown's still around in Philadelphia. The deep threat.

So if you do trail late, you have the home run hitter. So it's like having power in baseball. You're not going to get to the World Series because you have the most home runs. But if you trail late in the World Series and you're facing elite pitching, there is one way to score three runs quickly. And that's a couple of guys on and somebody, Darren, Judge, Jackson. So I think Seattle is a prime example. Seattle is closer offensively to what the Niners do than what the Rams do.

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Jacksonville went out and got Jacoby Myers. He has totally transformed that offense. They stole him for peanuts. Travis Hunter goes out and Jacoby Myers is a beast. They've now got like a three-headed monster. receiver. Jacksonville's similar vibes. Like if I told you the Super Bowl would be Jacksonville and Seattle, you would say, make sense. And, and two quarterbacks, first rounders, who were really doubted until like now. Five minutes ago. Yeah, I mean, Sam Darnold until last, even Sam Darnold

last year was doubted. Nobody really bought into it. Now this year, you're kind of stuck saying, okay, it's pretty good. If you're a Sam Darnold denier at this point, I mean, two staffs, two teams, two different receiving groups, and he's been great. Now, listen, Lawrence had his chance in the playoffs a couple years ago against Patrick Mahomes. And it was a middle and close game, but the Chiefs were just too good.

I think there's a chance he outplays Josh Allen in this game. Josh Allen has to do everything for Buffalo to have a chance. The defense stinks. He's got to do offense, running, passing. Trevor Lawrence just has to convert some third downs against kind of a bad defense. It's one of those games. I think there are two teams.

Buffalo has lived of second half comeback. Yeah. That is really hard in the playoffs because the problem with that is Jacksonville's got a two-headed run game and the bills struggle versus the run game. So I lead I lead 17 to 7 at half. I get the second half kickoff. We're going to run the football. We're just going to milk the clock. So that's the issue with Buffalo is when you are a slow starting team and you struggle against the run.

you're on the road with versus an effective run team, you can see Jacksonville, you know, get that second half kickoff with a lead and just say, guys, we're screening it, we're running it, we're just going to play keepaway. I'm with you. Jags' first half, I think, is the great bet. I don't know what's going to happen with Josh Allen on the second half. Does he put on the Superman Cape? Well, that's what he does.

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