The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Top 10 American NBA Players to build around, James Palmer

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

J-Mac ranks the top 10 NBA American born players he would build around and why Cooper Flagg is the clear-cut number 1 choice.  Plus, NFL reporter James Palmer joins the show to tell Jason what we can expect from the Ravens and Eagles this season after both teams came up short of expectations last yearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Join by Rachel Nichols. We are breaking down all the best stories in sports, and it is a hell of a great sports week. Got some NBA, some NFL. We got James Palmer coming up, Mr. Scoop City, coming up here in about six minutes. Talk NFL. I wonder if he'll be at the conference.

Combine, man, I used to go. Rachel, did you ever go to the NFL Combine? No, I was always covering the NBA at that part of the season. Yeah, I love the NFL Combine. It's coming up. I would go hang out at that one bar and just be a fly on the wall and watch stuff go down. It was wild. The slippery noodle? Yeah, no, I think St. Elmo's maybe.

Well, that's not a bar. Staycouts. Yeah, but they had a bar that was pretty good. Sure, yeah, yeah. And I'll never forget someone came up to me and like, I was like, oh, hey, how are you? He's like, yeah, I know you. You trashed my guy, Gino Smith. I was like, damn, okay.

Sorry, bro, because I was a Jets fan. All right. We're going to do an interesting list here. So last night, Cade Cunningham goes off. 42 points at the garden. Unbelievable performance. And it actually came on the heels of him giving an interview to GQ magazine. And he said, I want to be on the Olympic team coming up.

I think it's a lock that he's going to be on it, right? And then he said, to the interviewer, Cade Cunningham, mild-mannered, quiet guy. I think I'm the best American player. Full stop. Okay. So Cade goes off last night at the garden, and his coach, J.B. Bickerstaff, had this to say, listen closely.

I mean, he's a superstar, and there's no doubt about it. You know, it's hard for me to think of five guys in this league that do more on both ends, that does more on both ends than he does. He never says no. He never complains, you know, and he goes out and gets the job done. And it's impacted winning. I think that's what superstars do, right? Superstars aren't hollow numbers.

Superstars are people that impact winning at a level that he has. Like, he just does the right thing by his teammates over and over again to help them excel and succeed also. And, you know, so if you got a superstar player with talent, a superstar character, you know what I mean? Like, he's the guy that goes down in the Hall of Fame someday. Hall of Fame? Can the guy win a playoff series first? Sorry, J.B. I had to do that.

And now when you hear my list here, the guy at the top of the list, well, we'll get there in a second. So we batted this around, a good 20-minute debate discussion. If you had the top 10 Americans in the NBA that you would build around, like four years ago, this would have been John Morant Zion 1-2, right? They ain't even on the list or even close to it. So here is my list, 10-to-1, Americans in the NBA to build around. Jason Tatum did not make it. Tyrese Halliburton did not make it there. currently hurt and not playing. They would have definitely made it.

Let's start with number 10. Number 10. Tyrese Maxie, the Philadelphia 76ers incredible guard. Fifth in the league in scoring. What a steel he was in the draft. 29 points per game. Obviously an All-Star. He's the new guy you build around in Philly and Bied had his run.

It's now Tyrese Maxie's show. Number nine. DeBook. Devin Booker nearly won a title with the Suns had that tough loss to the Bucks. Booker 29 years old. He leads a team in scoring and assists. He's the only All-Star on his team. And the sons are actually good ahead of schedule. Matt Isbia, I know you care deeply about the media.

I hope you're watching. Devin Booker 9th on my list. Number eight. Had to go, Jalen Brunson. When I started this list, he was like in the four range. Had to get bumped down. I love Bison. 11th in the league in scoring.

He's an all-NBA player the last two years. most clutch player in the league last year, literally won the award. Folks, I wanted to make him higher, but I just, we'll see the rest of the list. But again, build around. I think you could build around Brunson for sure, because you know what he can do.

He just needs the ball on his hands a lot, so I've got him at eight. Number seven. Donovan Mitchell, maybe the most underrated American player in the league right now. Folks, he was first team all NBA last year. He's a bucket. I mean, he was so good,

Utah ahead of schedule. Now he's in Cleveland and they're really freaking good. They got James Hardin. I would keep an eye on this team. I would not be shocked if they were in the finals. Donovan Mitchell, great ambassador for the league. Just a good overall human being. I love him. I have him. Number six. Jalen Brown, Boston Celtics forward. Now, it's interesting because for the longest time I've had Tatum ahead of him. So this year Brown has been exceptional. Now we know he's the finals MVP, of course. But we're talking about a guy who took over a Celtics team. A lot of people thought was maybe play in material without Tatum and they end up dumping, I think, all three of their centers to get out of cap hell. All Jalen Brown done has been incredible. Fourth in the league in

scoring, he's averaging 29, 7 and 5 shooting 48% from the field. Folks, he's like a sleeper MVP candidate if SGA can't get healthy. Number five. Cade Cunningham. 84 years old. Boy, he is taking the league by storm. I said on my podcast this week, plus 1,400 to win the MVP. I don't hate that bet. Again, SGA and Yokic may miss games.

Kate is playing exceptional. The team is number one seed in the east, best record in the league. I mean, he's averaging 26 and 10 and 6. Pistons have the best record in the league. He's exceptional. You build around him. Number four.

You're going to hate me, guys. Kauai Leonard. This is probably recency bias because he is playing out of his mind right now. He is 34, but as Rachel alluded to earlier, not many people want to do the Raptors thing where we're going to rent you. If I'm building around for one year, I'm taking a roll of the dice with Kauai Leonard. He's that good. This season, 28, 6 and 4, 7-time all-defensive team selection.

Plays at both ends. He's just playing unbelievable basketball right now. He is 34, and I know the injury history. Number three. Steph Curry. Yes, I know. How is he not one? How is he on the list?

We're going to get the full gambit. He is 37. But I know they stink this year. Are you looking at his numbers? He's 10th in the league in scoring. He's missed a bunch against. He leads the NBA in three's made. Leads the NBA in 45 plus point games.

Leads the NBA in free throw percentage. Steph Curry is still a god G-A-W-D. You can build a big. around him for a year or two. Number two. Anthony Edwards. It's tough for me to put him ahead of Curry on any list, but the guy is freaking incredible. Unbelievable to watch.

I personally think he needs to clean up some of his interviews, way too many curse words. Dude, the young kids are watching. But he's a scoring machine, plays at both ends. He's going to be a tough out in the playoffs, back-to-back conference finals appearances for Ant. Number one. Cooper Flagg. hasn't won a playoff series. I'm aware of that.

He's 19 years old, but I am able to build at least 12 years around this guy, plays hard at both ends, already a plus defender. Folks, offensively, the things he's doing at 19, put him in the discussion with LeBron for the greatest teenager in NBA history.

He has been everything we expected and more. I think take the over on one and a half MVP's first career. I know that we're going to hear a lot of grief grief on this. Youngest player to score 40 or more points game, he's done that twice. We're going to get to our guest, but Rachel, I will need your feedback on this.

Rachel was laughing through most of this segment. I have Cooper Flagg 1. Again, it's build around. All right, let's get to our guests. He's been waiting patiently. James Palmer, Mr. Scoop City, great NFL reporter,

NFL insider for Bleacher Report. I love that background. Did you get like professional art? Look at that. professional art. I like where your heads at because that is 13-year-old Nixon Palmer right there, my son, who now, I'm just going to quick moment to brag here. We'll have a piece at the Denver Art Museum that in an art contest he won. So we're rolling here. Well, I think, James, you buried the lead. I've got an eye for art, clearly. I mean, you do. 13-year-old at a museum. It's amazing. Yeah, you know, you got an eye. It's for sale. If anybody's interested, just give us a shout. Yeah. I like it. All right. You know what else I like is drama. And James, I kind of want to start. with the Lamar Jackson situation.

Some comments from Declan Doyle about expecting everyone at voluntary OTAs. That includes the quarterback who just may or may not have run off the head coach and is asking for a lot of money. Rookie head coach, rookie O.C. play caller. A lot going on in Baltimore. Your thoughts? Yeah, there certainly is. I would say this when you say rookie head coach, for sure. It wasn't brought up enough that there was a previous relationship.

Obviously, he was in the building, Jesse Minter in Baltimore and on the other side of the ball. but I was told during the entire interview process that there was a pretty good relationship between Lamar Jackson and Jesse Minter dating back to their time together in that building. Lamar kind of talks to everybody in the building, so I wasn't fully surprised, but that should be mentioned in some sense.

But you're right, rookie play caller, rookie offensive mind, obviously running the show on that side. And this isn't the first time, honestly, we've heard kind of like a little kind of jab, but a little kind of comment. You heard of him Steve Bishotti, honestly, in his press conference too. Like, hey, you can come up to Baltimore or Lamar,

if he'd like, because we know that he doesn't really attend a lot of these voluntary work. I think he missed eight of nine last year of the on the field workouts. And that was what Declan Gle was kind of hinting at. If we want to get over the hump, we want to be one of the premier teams in the AFC. And we all know that it was really the Ravens, the Bengals, the Bills.

I was in that room when Josh Allen was crying his eyes out after the divisional round, where Anos wasn't part of the AFC playoffs last year, right? No Patrick Mahomes. And any year you waste with one of these guys is a wasted year and the pressure increases. So I do think there's that aspect for sure. And I'm going to see what this marriage is going to be like. The main thing I'm looking at, Jason, honestly, is the way that Ben Johnson and Declan Dekyllo worked with Caleb Williams. There was so much about how do we get Caleb to play in our system.

There's an adverse side of that that Ben Johnson figured out and what I need to learn about Caleb. I think Declan needs to do that exact same thing with Lamar because of the way he plays. But I do think it was an interesting comment. I think April 6th, I think is the date we're all going to be looking at now. So, yeah, what do you make of Lamar? Coming off the injury, a lot of drama. swirling around the him Harbaugh stuff. I don't know if you've heard.

Like, have you heard anything about how that ended? Because I haven't heard Lamar come out publicly. Maybe I missed it. Or on social media. Did he say like a, hey, man, I'm really going to miss coach Harbs or anything like that? There hasn't been much, no. I mean, obviously when he gets, you know, in front of the media in Baltimore, when he's up there. And obviously there'll be some comments and some questions to be asked of Lamar.

And he's obviously very short with that group. I will say that. But, you know, he has been, you know, one of these guys that is kind of an enigma. you know, you go through the week and in my job and all these other guys that do the same thing I do is we're wondering if he's going to play on Sunday. He's one of those rare players. He may not see him practice during the week and then all of a sudden he plays on a Sunday.

I do know that was one of the things that maybe stuff in their side a little bit. Tom Monkins going, hey, man, I think we need our quarterback on the field on a Wednesday. I think that will help our chances. Obviously, he battled a number of injuries. We saw that the talent is obviously still there. The fourth quarter against Pittsburgh. You're like, yeah, this is the two-time MVP.

This is the incredible athlete, the guy who is the highest pass the rating in the history of the NFL and more rushing yards than any quarterback in the history of the NFL. But how you get him to play at that level consistently, I think everybody's curious. When he wasn't able to use his legs, when I talked to defensive coordinators that went against him, it was we can play him differently. And Lamar was seeing things defensively differently than he has in the past. And it is a little bit of a struggle. So how does they adapt and change in this year?

I think Declan Doyle is saying, like, the more time we spend together, the better. And obviously there's the contract part of it, which his contract negotiations are very different. that anybody else is. It's him and mom, and it's not the same as everybody else, but that cap number needs to change. So it's going to be a very interesting offseason in Baltimore. Yeah, let's go up the 95 quarter to Philadelphia.

A lot of issues going on there. Somebody in the meeting this morning reference, like, hey, you know, Philly struck out on like their top four offensive coordinator tries? Like, they were shooting high and kind of had to settle at the end. There is good news that Lane Johnson's back. But what are you hearing in Philadelphia? the AJ Brown stuff, it seems to have gone away

and now it sounds like they're going to keep him, or is that gamesmanship and they're really working behind the scenes to unload them? It's interesting you asked us. I was having a conversation with the coach last week about this, and they were like, you know, there's so many of us around the league that are envious of Philadelphia's building, no lie, just because of the owner and how, you know, forward-thinking Jeffrey Lurie is and how Harry Roseman operates,

and how they blend so many different aspects of the evaluation process together and how they go about evaluating talent. And a lot of teams look at them. as kind of like a North Star in that sense. But then the coach joked and said, it's also a building that's just so unbelievably intense all the time. And he didn't use dysfunction. Some people may use that word,

but it's just so intense. I would say this offseason is very similar to what we saw in 2023, heading into the 24 season. No lie, I think Nick Sierraani was on the hot seat, and there was a lot of changes that were possibly going to be made. Well, he responded, the coaching staff responded, the team responded with a Super Bowl, right, in commanding fashion.

It almost has a similar feel going into 26. We'll see how they respond into it because there's a lot of change. You know, I think Sean Manion coming in, the entire system is going to change. You mentioned the offensive coordinators and striking out on some of them. I would say this. There were a lot of varying opinions on the perception of this job from the candidates. I would say that. And some took jobs that they thought were better.

Let's double click on that. What do you mean? I think it's a very particular situation you're walking into with the way the job has been a revolving door each and every year. Yes, there are guys that have gotten head coaching jobs out of it with Shane Stuyken or Kellan Moore. And I thought Kellyn coached his tail off in what he did in that Super Bowl year. But then there's been guys that have been let go immediately. When I mentioned that there's some turmoil in terms of the way things could be after the 26 season, are you going to be looking for a job again?

I think that's something that a lot of these guys look for when they're looking at working with certain situations. I think the quarterback is one of the best in football. I really do. I'll put it out there. But I also know talking to offensive coordinators around the league, you have to play a certain style with Jaylin. And obviously, that's no slouch. I mean, you got to play a certain style with Patrick. He's a field quarterback, right?

Patrick Mahomes is a field quarterback. You've got to kind of play that way in terms of how you call the offense. And Andy's figured that out. Jalen has a certain style in which he plays. And you have to work within that. And there's a lot of differing opinions, I would say, about Jalen Hertz. But this guy is a Super Bowl MVP. He has two of the best Super Bowl performances maybe we've ever seen.

And the other one he lost to Patrick. He was unbelievable. I remember Andy Reid telling me at something I was hosting in Kansas City. He looked at Jailen Hertz. It was the best performance I've ever seen in a Super Bowl in the one that Jailen lost. So he has it in him. I just think it's very specific in how he operates. The one thing I would keep an eye on Jason, honestly, is Devante Smith this year.

There are a lot of people that I talk to that think this is a surefire number one, whether A.J. Brown is there or not. Look for him to be used more. Look for him to be used in a variety of fashions that they think they can expand his role. He's a volume type of receiver, they think. I would be interested to see what Devanti Smith will be like in 2020. Wow. Okay.

All right, I'll make a note in my app for fantasy football draft to Vantte Smith. All right, Max Crosby, anything on that trade front? It sounds like he's still going out. A lot of people are speculating patriots. There's a lot of bears chatter. I know in the NBA, anytime all the reporters say something, it ain't happening and something else happens. Should we expect the same with the NFL,

or are they on to something here? Yeah, I would say you mentioned at the top, have I been to the combine? I will be at the combine. I'm there every year. It's outstanding. And you mentioned it's most, by the way. Or used to be most.

Not anymore. I think that's been renamed, obviously. But listen, I think that I bring it up is going to definitely be a spot where there's conversations had. between Max's representation and the Raiders. And there's really three things to figure out here. The first one is, does Max want to be there? He's been in the building every day.

He's rehabbing. I thought it was interesting that he wasn't in there for Clint Kubiak's press conference when he's been sitting in there for some of the other head coaches that have been hired. And I say that with a grain of salt because he's been there repeatedly and told repeatedly that it's going to change and it's going to be different, right? And so when is there a breaking point for Max Crosby going? Maybe I should play somewhere else. He loves being a raider.

He has a great relationship with Mark Davis, to my understanding. I think if he wants to be there, it's the first part. And there is some relationships that need to be mended, but Clint Kubiak is not part of that. They promote his position coach to be the defensive coordinator. I think that's a different wrinkle that plays a factor in this as well. Is this irreparable? I don't think so. But I do think he's very upset with the way the season ended.

And if he doesn't want to be there and you're Clint Kubiak starting your new regime, do you want the best player, the culture setter, the guy in your locker room that everybody looks to who doesn't want to be there, do you want him to be a part of that? And then the other part is just do the Raiders see him as part of what they want to build? I think now you're starting to have those early conversations that Clint, you know, obviously was delayed with winning a Super Bowl. Shucks. But at the same time, he finally gets to meet with John Spitech and Tom Brady and everybody and put this together and really be realistic with themselves and say, how far away are we in this rebuild? If we're more than two years away, which some people outside of that building I talk to think they are, do you take the picks from Max Crosby?

And you help that be a part of a build that has a lot of holes on your team. Now, I think it's a great fit with Genti and Bowers and what Clikubiak runs, but at the same time, how long is that rebuild going to take and do you want Max to be a part of it? I think those are the three big things, but the part that nobody talks about is the injury. Like, I don't see a trade happening anytime soon because this is a month's long injury here with the meniscus repair, not a trim. Do you make the trade without a physical, without just like on good faith? I don't know.

It has happened, but I do think this could be something that have multiple timelines to it. You mentioned injury, so it got me thinking about Tyreek Hill. he's coming off a major injury. Dolphins dumped him. I'm assuming same deal. Like nobody's going to be jumping for Tyreek instantly. They're going to wait to see, assuming he's healthy. You're not trying to make a move on him, right?

Yeah. This is going to be something that's going to take a minute, for sure. I would say also the receiver class in this draft plays a part in it as well. You know, I mean, it is an outstanding receiver class. Shameless plug, Steve Smith and I on our show just did our top 10 receivers that Steve ranked. And we just put that up on our channel. So it's a really, really deep class. That plays a part.

I would say this. There are some people around the league and think he may not play in 2026. So I would put that out there. I would say mid-season is what a lot of people think may be the case. I wouldn't put it past because he's great at this. Drew Rosenhouse having some sort of workout, some sort of showcase.

He's done it in the past. Teams will attend. Teams will certainly attend. And there will be interest because I think if you're chasing the ring, you want your group to get, you know, over the hump. I think he could really, really help out a team. I think there's a lot of people that still think he can have a lot of really good football in him. He's always defied the odds, honestly, on the football field and the way he's played.

Does Buffalo make them move? The Ravens have a history of doing that at the receiver position, right? A number of times now they did it. They just did it with Hopkins. They did it with Steve Smith. Honestly, my buddy and coach knows in the show. So there are teams that are going to be interested. I just think the timeline is so up in the air right.

So it's similar to the Odell Beckham-Rams situation from a few years back, maybe is that? Yeah, I could see something similar. Like, let's have everybody take a look. Let's have everybody take a look at what Tyreek brings to the table. See him work out. See him run. I think obviously everybody wants to see that. Remember, the only information we really have, Jason, honestly, is coming from Drew

where it's an ACL and multiple ligaments. We still don't know exactly what all of the damage that was there. There was a dislocation. It seems like from everything I hear, it's headed in the right direction. But again, there's a lot to overcome here. I wouldn't put it past Tyreek to come back from it. But there are a lot of questions that teams are interested to have answered. All right.

We could wrap up with quarterbacks, the quarterback carousel, if you will. It's not pretty. Now, we said that last year. Gino Smith was the guy with the Raiders, did not work out. Sam Darnel was the guy with the Seahawks. It did. We've seen Baker Mayfield in recent years, you know, get on the cheap to Tampa. That's worked out.

Is there a guy who's the leader in the clubhouse right now? I mean, look at the list we got on the screen. We got two of Kyler on there. They're on teams technically, but their teams don't really want them. I don't, Malik Willis, I can't believe he threw 35 passes last year. I'm like, that's the guy everybody can't wait to get their hands on? This has got to be one of the weaker lists you've seen a recent memory, right? It's not an outstanding list.

You don't even have my boy Joe Flacco on there. And I would be surprised that he does. I would be surprised if he didn't have a job. In all honesty, he'll probably be on a roster. It is a wild list. I think you're taking a gamble when I talk to people around the league about Malik Willis. I think he's going to be overpaid or somebody's going to overpaid. or somebody's going to overpay.

Could it be 20 million? Like a month ago, it was 15 to 20 when I talked to GMs about, you know, their thought on what Malik Willis would be and that'd be maybe incentive-based. It's gone up in a lot of people's minds because of probably this list, because of where he comes from with LaFloor and being there with Jordan Love and kind of being in that quarterback incubator he was in. And I think that puts some validity to it. I'll put a name on here that you didn't have.

I know the San Francisco 49ers are saying they will not move Mac Jones. There's what, Jason, a dozen players. that are untradable in this league. Oh. That's it. You know what I mean? Like when I look at value, I think Kyler is probably the most talented player on there.

And there's the inconsistency is a problem. Obviously, he's played at stretches where he's a top 10 quarterback, honestly. Yeah. The contract and the rollover for 2027 makes it a little more complicated in terms of what you could do for him. But he's probably the most talented. But when I look at value from the player to the contract, all those things, Matt Jones is on a contract for 2026 under $5 million.

So, I mean, that, and, you know, you look at the way he played for a stretch. Again, he was a backup, and I think the system helps, and Kyle's obviously outstanding with quarterbacks. But if what if a team is like, we'll give you a second round pick for Mack Jones. Is John Lynch going to hang up the phone? Is he going to hang out the phone? I don't know.

Is that in the 30s or the 50s? Yeah, it would depend. Yeah, obviously, no team is running right now to give a second round pick to the 49ers. But if they're looking at their landscape and going, wait a minute, I can have this guy under control for under $5 million at the quarterback position. in terms of what our spot is. I'm just saying the value of all the guys that you had on that list varies, and the contract plays a part in that.

And Max's contract is outstanding compared to the other ones. Who would you go for, Mac Jones, one year, $5 million, or Malik Willis, what, three years, 60 mil? Yeah. I mean, I would try to get a two-year deal with Malik Willis, if I could. I wouldn't want to try to commit to probably that third year, because I still, the sample size, like you mentioned, is just so small. But there's a higher ceiling, I would say.

The ability to throw the football downfield accurately is awesome, the ability to move and manipulate the pocket. I think a lot of people that I talked to pointed out the poise he had in the pocket in the small sample size he had, and that's always something that always comes up with every quarterback you talk about. And so, yeah, there's a lot to like about Malik, but I also think the landscape, and I mentioned the draft with the receivers, the lack there of talent at the quarterback position in this draft

also may play a factor into what some of these teams are looking at. Finally, anything on my jets? Are they going after a quarterback? Are they standing down and waiting for 27? I think standing down, winning for 27 just really looks like it, right? When they made some of these trades, and you can tell you can comment with Daramooji on this, like he wanted picks in 27. I think he wanted picks in 27 for a reason.

And I think a stopgap is what you're looking at now. And do you take a chance on somebody that you can just kind of fill the seat and build off of and hope for upside? Or you look for somebody to fill the seat? I don't think they pick a quarterback in the draft. So I do think, yeah, some of those names. looking at them. They might be your quarterback in 26, but the group in 27 is outstanding. And so they're going to be positioned pretty well if that's what ends up happening. Love it. All right. James Palmer, Scoop City does some stuff with Steve Smith, Bleacher Report.

Hey, man, great stuff. Have a great weekend. Yeah, I appreciate you guys too. I'll enjoy Andy. Trust me. All right. Oh, good stuff. I like it. I like it. Especially my Jets not doing anything, which is great. Which is great. More tanking talk. Just kidding. Coming up next, another NBA player went off last night. He didn't make my list. He's a pretty damn good player. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

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I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

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Rachel laughed when I was like, yes, my Jets aren't doing anything. I do not want to invest $50 million of Maliguelas. No thank you. We just tried that with Justin Fields. We're good. All right, let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. I just think it's adorable that you think anything that Jets do is going to change their fate there, but we'll see what happens. Let's talk about Kevin Durant. Jason, I know you have been itching for this story. Spectacular last night, by the way. He hit Charlotte, for 35 points, eight rebounds.

The Rockets won their first game after the All-Star break, and this is notable since a lot of fans were watching to see if the team would be affected by the KD. Burner controversy. And at this point, we all know what I'm talking about, right? Earlier this week, Internet sleuths found what is alleged, alleged to be a Durant-Berner Twitter account with several posts, disparaging former and current teammates and coaches, some with very strong language.

There was a Hitler comparison at one point. Durant was asked, point blank, is this your burner or not? He did not give a yes or no answer. He said he was not going to get into Twitter nonsense, quote unquote. So Jason, give me the take. Come on. You've been dying to get this off. Yeah, listen, it's tough for me to tell Draymond Green has chimed in.

Devin Booker has chimed in. My thing that I question, you know, he went after Shengoon pretty hard. Essentially said he can't. If it's him. If it's him, yes. I mean, if there's something that people say you said, but you didn't say, wouldn't you just say, bro, that's not me? I did not do that. I'm online all the time.

That's not me. As the journalist over here, I'm obligated to use the word allegedly. Allegedly, yes, alleged, alleged. What happens in a playoff series? If Dylan Brooks is guarding Schengun in the post, this is your boy KD said you're soft, you don't play defense, you can't rebound, and he's just getting on him all again. Like, what can you do if you're Schengun? You can try to show them up, but then you maybe get out of character and try to do things you don't normally do. You know, same holds true for Jabari Smith, who he bashed.

I don't know how this is great. Ime Udoka is interesting. We agree he's a great coach. Yes. We know he ended in Boston ugly because of some non-basketball stuff. He's got a tall order there. Now, Kevin Durant taking over, did you watch closely at the end of that game? He basically was like, nobody can guard me.

Yep. I'm cooking con can't Cople, Lamello, whoever wants a piece. Come get it, and he carried the team. In the playoffs, it's going to be different. He's going to be facing, like, elite defenders in the West. I don't know if it's going to be easy for him. And then what happens if they lose in the first round, you know this stuff's going to come back up. I mean, we've all talked trash about.

Who hasn't talked trash about people? But for it to come out, your coaches see it, your GM, teammates, ball boys. Everybody's seeing this. I don't see how it's possibly a nothing burger. It's hard to know with Katie at this point, right? Because we've had the whole Katie burner controversy before. I could be recycling old headlines. He's acknowledged he has burners out there, that sort of thing.

Does it become almost like Charles Barkley? Where he says so many wild things that when he says all women in San Antonio are fat, nobody does like a big deal. If Bob Costas said all women in San Antonio are fat, that would be a huge deal, right? People would be like, oh my God, Bob Costas, right? Charles Barkley said, Charles Barkley says it and it's like, yeah, it's just Charles. It's just Charles. I don't know who he played for.

for that they do on T&T, right? Or sorry, now on ESPN, the, you know, where they test Charles on does he know where certain NBA players play? And he often has no idea. No clue. Right? But everyone's like, yeah, it's just Charles, right? Whereas some people would be like, man, an NBA

analyst who doesn't know where certain guys play, but it's Charles Barkley and it's just part of it, right? And it's lovable and it's fun. Now, this isn't as lovable, this allegation. But I do wonder if after time with Kevin, there is enough of, it's just Kevin, on

Twitter. You know how he is. Like, I don't know. I'm just saying that there is room for that. Yeah. There's also room for your scenario, though. I don't know. I don't love normalizing that kind of behavior. I mean, whether it's an elected official. Welcome to America. Or a basketball announcer or

a star player. Like, again, you know, we've all talked trash. But to normalize it, well, that's just KD. I don't love that. You heard what Draymond said about it, right? Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. I know Luca's a big trash talker. Lakers Rockets round one.

Luca's going to get in his head. And Jabaris and Shangoon's. It'll be fun. We'll have to see. I don't know. All right. Back to the topic at hand in the NBA, though. Tanking.

I actually have been the one burning to talk about this one. It is a main topic going around. And Phoenix Sun's owner Matt Ishbia weighed in on this very strongly, Jason. He called tanking, quote, losing behavior done by losers. He then went on to say that as far as the integrity of the league goes, quote, this is much worse than any prop bet scandal. This is throwing games strategically. Ishbia called for massive changes.

And Jason, as you noted to the top of the show, there is a list of reported proposals the NBA governors will be considering this week. Do you like any of them? Do you think that they need to tweak more? What are you going for here? Okay, let's back up to the comments. So Matt Ishbia,

tanking is losing behavior done by losers. I just looked it up. And his net worth? Like, you could, when your net worth is $10 billion, you could say whatever the hell you want. And you have no draft picks to tank for it. You have no draft picks. Your salary cap is in disarray. I know he's doing like a victory lap because they're not a dumpster fire this year.

Congrats. Which he deserves. By the way, how did it go with the Bradley B.O. Kevin Durant stuff? I mean, I liked that move at the time. It turned out like blew up in his face. Does this guy know what he's doing? Maybe he does. I mean, he's net worth of $10 billion.

But, like, essentially, this felt like a shot at Mark Cuban, didn't it? A little bit. Mark came out and said they should embrace tanking. Look, I've said this a bunch. I'm going to say it again. Tanking is not the problem. If you try to, quote, solve tanking and ignore that tanking is actually a symptom of a different problem, you are going to create more problems.

Adam Silver likes to say unintended consequences, right? You are going to make things worse. You have to go back to the actual problem, not the symptom. The problem is bad teams do not have enough other avenues to get better. That's it. Nobody is trying to lose six months of games, empty their arena of fans. They're doing it because they have to. So instead of looking at proposals to, quote, cure tanking, and by the way, some of the proposals out there, I agree with, right? I like some of the proposals that they've got going.

But they all have to focus on what are the proposals that will actually help bad teams get better? How do we widen that avenue? And by the way, I would go all the way from littler things, right, in terms of of, you know, I like the idea of freezing the record at the trade deadline in terms of picks because I think that, you know, the idea that the trade deadline is really the way that bad teams can acquire players because they don't really get any free agency. So if you give them a fresh start at that point, that's great. But in the bigger picture, I would say, I would eliminate the lottery.

Forget this flattening of lottery odds. That just makes it worse. That just makes it harder for bad teams to get better. A lot of these proposals make it harder. Make it easier. Say, no more lottery. No more Dallas getting Cooper flag. Right?

Instead, it is going to be the worst team gets the best pick all the way down. By the way, that creates a much smaller group of teams that are tanking, right? Because if you're not in the bottom two or three. And I do think that once you do something like that, you have to say, great, you can't pick in the top three, two years in a row or something like that. But. Because would that incentivize teams, hey, we're not waiting until February or March to tank. we're just not going to put out a competitive team because we know that the draft is loaded.

We win nine games. We win nine games. I don't think, first of all, most drafts aren't this draft, to your point at the top of the show. But again, you have to give bad teams a way to get better, which, by the way, is much better for the league overall. The tanking is a symptom. And I wouldn't stop, by the way, at any of these proposals. You know me.

I always want to hold the owners accountable, right? So I think, and by the way, I'm aware the owners will never vote themselves out So I know this won't happen. But in my dream world, Jason, let me dream. There would be some sort of rule that said, if you didn't hit a certain winning percentage over a certain number of years, doesn't have to be a short number of years,

but 10 years. If in 10 years you don't hit a certain winning percentage, you have to sell the team and give someone else a shot to do it. Worse than relegation. Because, well, because here's a thing. Some teams aren't good because of personnel or they got themselves in trouble or a star retired or whatever. Some teams aren't good because the ownership is crappy.

Which ones, Rachel? Come on, putting you on the spot. I don't think I have to say. I think people know. Or that the management team is crappy, and they've been in that spot for too long because the ownership hasn't been forced to make a change. And for those teams, there is no other avenue to get better because those teams are poorly run.

So this comes under the same umbrella. Give bad teams more avenues to get better. And again, I know they're not going to do this, but the truth is that for the teams that are poorly run, forcing an ownership change at some point, would be, and by the way, that ownership change would give that older owner, the previous owner billions of dollars, so I don't feel bad about it at all. So I just looked, the Wizards, let's use the DC team, they've been bad for a long time. The last time I remember them good, it was Beal and Wall, but before that was like Chris Weber,

Joanne Howard, George Muris-on or something. So they drafted second. Usually that's like, oh my gosh, home run. They got Alex Tsar. Yeah. Who is young, but he ain't Wembe. He's not Chad Holmgren. Over under, All-Star games for Alex Sar, one and a half?

I mean, he was one of the best in the rising stars this year. I mean, he's actually, he's developing really well. I mean, guy like that is going to be a slower developer. And he's going to do better with Trey Young there, by the way. Even the Hawks, they get Ries to Shea. Number one, it's like, I don't know what he is. There's no solution. Sometimes you don't get a good draft.

This is going to be a particularly good draft. But again, there is a solution. The solution isn't to tanking. The solution is make tanking not your only option. You have to give teams more options. to get better. And then they won't have to take. All right, Rachel Nichols with the news.

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All right, we talked to James Palmer a little bit ago about situation in Philadelphia. I saw the good news. Hey, Lane Johnson is coming back. Landon Dickerson, he's going to be fine. He's coming back as well. Get excited, Eagles fans. Oh, but what about A.J. Brown? What about Jalen Hertz not being able to throw over the middle of the field?

Sorry, Jalen. The number say you don't. What about Nick Siriani? What the hell's going on there? Here's James Palmer talking about the Eagles. I was having a conversation with the coach last. week about this. And they were like, you know, there's so many of us around the league that are envious of Philadelphia's building, no lie, just because of the owner and how, you know,

forward-thinking Jeffrey Lurie is and how Howie Roseman operates and how they blend so many different aspects of the evaluation process together and how they go about evaluating talent. And a lot of teams look at them as kind of like a North Star in that sense. But then the coach joked and said there's also, it's also a building that's just so unbelievably intense all the time. There's a lot of change. You know, I think Sean Manion coming in, the entire system's going to change. You mentioned the offensive coordinators and striking out on some of them. I would say this. There were a lot of varying opinions on the, on the perception of this job from the candidates. So it's interesting. One thing I like to do ahead of seasons is look at who you're playing.

Obviously, the schedule will come out and will crystallize everything. But I'm looking at the Eagles opponents next year. This is tough. You've got to play the Houston Colts Division, which includes Jacksonville, not easy, Tennessee getting better. And then the real bad news is the NFC West, Rams, Niners, Seahawks, three playoff teams, including one that won the Super Bowl, and then Arizona, which we can count as an automatic win. But the schedule is not great. They got to go to Chicago. Obviously, Philadelphia, not an issue going anywhere.

But Chicago's going to be good next year, guys. I like what I saw from Ben Johnson. I know a lot of close games, already looking at the one-score games. but this schedule does not look favorable as opposed to, say, a Washington who plays a much weaker schedule because they did not finish in first place. And the New York Giants who will have a much easier schedule and a much better coach. The division got harder. The schedule is difficult. And you've got just drama circling.

It's not like a black cloud hovering over the franchise. But the offensive coordinator situation was not good. I don't know. I haven't looked at odds for whether or not A.J. Brown will get traded. I just hearing what he said, sometimes you talk to these reporters, insiders, and they can't give away everything they have, right? They just can't because some of it is speculative. But the fact that he was pumping up Devante Smith is interesting.

I mean, I like Devante Smith. I've never heard anybody talked about him as like a number one. He's, I think, maybe a 1B or a 2, but like, Devante Smith is not the kind of guy who's going to stretch the field. That's the A.J. Brown job on the outside. He's going to win in-man coverage down the field. Is Devante Smith doing that? I don't know.

The fact that he's pumping up makes me wonder if the Eagles are telling people, hey, we love Devante Smith. He's in the building. He's on time. He's no drama. He catches everything. No real drop issue. AJ had some brutal drops there in the playoffs. And I just, I wonder if we're starting to get pumped up version of Devonte Smith because that means A.J. Brown could be on the move.

So I think the Eagles are a team to watch. Earlier we talked about the Baltimore Ravens being a team to watch. Ravens kind of fell off this past year, but we'll see. Right now, according to Kalshi, 54% A.J. Brown stays with the Eagles next season. 54% according to the peanut gallery at Kalshi. Don't laugh. I'm not spending a ton of time on the prediction markets.

You mean Yonnas, sent it to Kupos, Kalshi? I don't know. That's right. He's like a spokesman. No, he's an investment in the company. I don't love that. No. I mean, supposedly there's a stipulation that he can't have anything to do with NBA predictions and prediction market. But I would be interested to see if this offseason that's addressed by the NBA. Well, what if his wife's looking at real estate in Los Angeles and she's telling a friend, oh, look at this house I saw in Bel Air. What does that mean? Why are you looking at real estate in L.A.?

And then the next thing, you know, that lady tells someone. Well, that's true of anyone, right? I mean, that's the problem with these prediction markets. People have, people do have inside information. Yeah. And then profit off of it. Yeah. Anyway, so I had the top 10 list earlier, Rachel.

You had some last. We got like a minute left. You want to dig into it at all? You want to take some shots? My favorite part, you're saying Jason Tatum's not on here because he's hurt right now. That is the biggest cop out I have ever heard. I mean, he's not playing. First of all, I have.

I want to put him ahead of Jalen Brown, but can you? Jalen Brown's playing the besties of his career. So where would you put him on this list? Let's pretend, Jason, that he was healthy. Well, a year ago, I would have put Brown ahead of Kauai Leonard who wasn't healthy, and I would have put him ahead of Cade Cunningham. I'm a big Tatum guy. Tatum, and I don't like Boston Teeth.

Tatum, for me, would have been top five for sure. Would you have had him? Where would you have had him? Yeah, I would absolutely have had him. Who does not belong in the list? And you hear from agents, so be careful. I mean, look, I have the one that has the biggest red flag to me is the health concern one, and that is Kawhi Leonard.

When he's on and he's healthy, he is one of the best players in the NBA still. And when he's not, he's just not there, Jason. I'm waiting for the alert that he's sitting out tonight against the Lakers. It might be coming. No. They have no reason to take. Next. Nick's.

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