The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Warriors power shuffle

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

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I'm Doug Gottlie. In for Colin Cowherd. Today is May 31st. It does feel like actual dates, like they matter in terms of, hey, Friday, I'm meeting with this guy. What day is that? I don't know. I feel like I pay less attention to the actual date than ever before. Anybody else get that?

Maybe it's a meeting. And, you know, inevitably it always happens. Chase, do you point this out. Ah, it's June already. It's June already. We have these knee-jerk responses, which it's one of those things that I understand it's your brain working and the lack of filter

between your brain and what you say. But there will absolutely be somebody that just heard me say, May 31st and they were like it's June already man it's you're already I'm always interested in like people have their whole summer

completely planned out well the third week in July then we're going here and the fourth week in July that I'm doing there like I'm just not I'm a fluid guy I don't know where I'll be tomorrow let alone where I'm going to be in two weeks and maybe that's just the way in which I roll I don't know but there is there are deadlines

that you have to abide by and work. Got to have that on my desk by 9 o'clock Monday morning. At school, hey man, this is finals week. Got to get stuff done. Or even in sports. And I don't know how many of you know and maybe don't even really care. But tonight is deadline time for withdrawing from the NBA draft.

We're drawing from the NBA draft. Now, there's a lot of different things that kind of swirl around. So stick with me. So for college basketball, there's a portal just like there's the football portal. And the portal has closed sort of, sort of. Right. Like if you are in the NBA draft, you're kind of in the dark portal. Some of these guys, some people, they've already graduated from college.

So if you've graduated and you pull your name out of the draft, you can put yourself in the portal at any time. You're as a grad transfer, fair to go, free to go wherever you want. But defending national champions, Yukon, looks like they've lost their starting center. Adam Sonogo, who he's a dominant player at the collegiate level this year. He's, he's not withdrawing from the NBA draft. I think he's staying in the NBA draft. So, it doesn't matter as much to Yukon as maybe it would otherwise. because they have Donovan Klingin, who's the freshman, seven-foot center, and though he's not the same player, it's not like there's such a void that they need to go out in the transfer

market and go get somebody immediately. But stick with me for a second. Let me try and kind of paint the picture. College football teams are still trying to put together their roster. College basketball teams are still trying to put together their roster. We're at May into June. May into June. June. Here's Nick Saban. He had this exchange with a reporter yesterday about the prospect of college

players unionizing. How do you feel about the idea of taking to that profit and making players employees? Yeah, I have no problem with that. I mean, unionize it, make it like the NFL. I mean, if it's going to be the same for everyone, I think that's better than what we have now, because what we have now is we have some states and some schools in some states that are investing a lot more money in terms of managing their roster than others, and I think this is going to create a real competitive disadvantage for some in the future, and it's also going to create an imbalance in competitive nature of the sport, which that's not good for the sport.

Now, look, I agree, I would point out, as many have, that there's been a competitive imbalance in college football for years, right? Go back and look 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, 30 years of, ago and many of the same teams who were successful then are successful now. Additionally, the conference that spends the most is the SEC and they were dominant before NIL and they're dominant now in the NIL era. So what Sabin is saying is in fact true and it's going to be more pronounced, but that doesn't make it right.

In the curious world of NIL, and it's not really. really NIL. And if you've listened to me long enough, you know that I've, I've had a harsh stance against this open kind of free market policy forever. And this is the reason why, because we call it NIL, which is name image and likeness, which means Jason Stewart throws five touchdown passes on Saturday. He should be able, you know, to, if Ditchwich which wants him to be the official ditch-witch representative playing college football, well, then by all means, he can wear ditch-witch orange

and wear that shirt anytime he does an interview. But that's not how it works. How it works now is boosters throw money into a collective, and a collective pays the player for their name, image, and likeness, and they find some stuff and find some sponsors to them to do, but it's promised money, layered sort of promises, that usually come up short of what's actually promised.

I mean, it's super confusing. For the student athlete, they think they're worth more. They're being told they're worth more. They put themselves in the portal because they think they're worth more elsewhere, leaving behind relationships, sweat equity, and at least the knowledge of what they were going to get. They go into the new world. Maybe they take somebody's word that they're going to get a certain amount. Maybe they don't.

What's fascinating about Sonogo and basketball is that forever, the thought was, I don't really want to go to school and I'm not getting paid anything. Why stay? And look, I've been a proponent of staying because what you gain from getting your degree, what you gain from those years,

you can always be a professional. Once you become a professional, that's kind of you are who you are there. And look, if you can go to college in your first year, be a lottery pick, go. By all means. but if you're trying to figure out, will I get drafted, will I not get drafted? And now in college athletics, you can make more money than even as a two-way player.

Why would you go? So if you're not sure you're going to be selected and given a two-way contract, you come back. So there is some good from the NIL that it will keep more players in college. The issue with it is, will it keep them in college of their current place, or will it take them to a different place where they promise something that they may or may not receive, meanwhile leaving behind the sweat equity. It's a kind of fascinating new world. And then there's the, hey, look, we're going to have jobs that used to be seen as bad jobs,

be good jobs now because you've got enough boosters that they want to be good. They put together their money in the collective, and they go out and they try and buy the best roster. The whole thing is bizarre. are. And I love that there are many people who cover it, who pushed for it, and now that it's a complete mess, that anyone who points out it's a mess, they go too well. Look, man, you're complaining when you're making a bunch of money. I don't know if you guys saw this, but for example, the coach at Missouri said, hey, man, my brother is a doctor. He saves lives. And we got kids who haven't played it down making more money than he is.

Like, it's nuts. You have many star players making more money than the assistant coaches who coach them. How does that dynamic work? And you could sit there and go like, well, it's a free market. They're worth it. Like, just so you know,

most markets in the United States are not free, especially in sports. Sports is not a free market. It's just not. It's collectively bargained. upon. And what's fascinating is the push for unionization, the push for professionalization, the push for employment, like there's way more downside for college athletes than there is upside there. And oh yeah, by the way, like at some point, you're going to have to pay taxes on all of this.

If you're an employee of a university, you'll not only have to pay taxes on the money that you get, you have to pay taxes on all the money that's spent on your behalf. How do I know that? Because I've been an employee of companies for over 20 years, right? Like when they say, hey, we're going to pick up your moving cost. Great. Then all of a sudden you get a bill, a tax bill. You're like, wait, I thought you were picking up your moving costs.

We did. But that's a taxable benefit. You got to pay the tax. It's just, it's mind-blowing and fascinating. We had, I believe we had a great system that needed some tweaking. needed some ability for players to capitalize more readily, more earnestly, more independently on their success. Because previous to it, it'd all been like me where you benefit of your name image and likeness in your post-college career. And I've done very well and I've done

very well and I've in no small part to get a chance to play at Oklahoma State. And I respect that immensely. But in our need for things now, now, now, now, I got to get paid now. And we see all this money and we've gone the other way to where it's just crazy. Jay Stu, I'm interested in your take as a very innocent bystander, not a lover of college sports. When you hear people in the know complaining about the current state of it, on the other hand, they're all, you know, many of them are well taken care of financially and it's all part of a big business.

What do you think? well me being in the business for the last 25 years this has been a topic forever in fact it was one of those lazy sports topics let's take your call should should college athletes be paid and then there was always like the next conversation which was much more nuanced of course they should be paid or of course all this money coming in from the tv and everything else the players should see some of that i always thought that but to hear you talk about it since we've been working together here. You've kind of turned me on this. There's a darker side. There's a much more complicated nuanced side, this law of unintended consequences that you refer to constantly. You've kind of turned me on this from simply saying, yeah, they deserve to get paid to actually thinking about the details. That's kind of where the devil is. Well, I mean, it's, it's so hard to help people understand that it's like, I forget who said this. It's a, is, is college sports a business?

Sort of. Not really. Right. Because if it's a real business, right? Then title nine doesn't have any sort of, it doesn't relate to this. Like there is the, title nine is an issue. There's also basically college athletics, um, it, exists in a bit of a tax loophole, you know, and many, many spots of it are operate tax-free.

It, for a long time, was subsidized by the state, public schools subsidized by the state. For the most part, that's no longer the case. And there are layers of support for the student-athlete that have to exist in order to be a student, in order to be an athlete. And, you know, it's like we also, here's my biggest, one of my biggest issues is that school truly doesn't matter. School truly doesn't matter. And it's crazy, you know, it's like, it used to be you'd lose guys to the pros. You're like, well, he hates going to school. A lot of these guys, they don't go to schools.

Take all your classes online. There's a player named Caleb Love. Many people remember he was at North Carolina. They went to the national championship game two years ago. This year, they were disappointed. make the tournament. He was going to transfer to Michigan. Instead, he couldn't get into Michigan. Now he's at Arizona. The reason? I believe he took all online classes. And those online classes after COVID don't transfer. And so there's a competitive disadvantage if you have a university

that has academic standards. That's the case at Notre Dame, at Stanford, at Northwestern, at Vanderbilt, a lot of these high academic institutions within these high achieving, uh, sports. conferences. So it's nuts. It's nuts. But we don't calculate the value of being able to get into a school. And college is not only more expensive than it's ever been. It's harder to get into than it's ever been. Incredibly hard. Ask anybody in California, two easiest schools to get into where USC was easy. If you had the money, you get in. And San Diego State. Those are two of the hardest schools to get into now. A good portion of it is because of the athletic success, right, which makes more people want to go there. And then it becomes kind of a glamour school.

They're hard to get into. And we never account for that. We never account for all the different support, dietary support, training, academics, any of it. And we just, we have to feed these kids money, money now, now, now, before they've actually kind of earned it. It's just the whole, the whole system is in a bizarre state of flux and Nick Sabin who's telling truths, even if it's like, hey, look, I'm actually the one who's helping dominate this thing. And I'm telling you this is not a good path we're on. If Sabin is saying it when he's making $8 to $10 million a year and in a down year, they lost two games on the last play.

That's what Alabama did last year. Last year was a down year. They lost two games on the last play. what he's saying is the truth, which is, this is nuts. All right, coming up next. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. Which NBA team's offseason

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He's the, when he played, he was the president of the NBA PA. He's now, he's worked in front office for the Detroit Pistons. And now he's a front office analyst for stadium. Pat Gerardy's going to join us in a moment, of course, start Notre Dame 10-year career in the NBA. And I'm fascinated with the offseason of so many of these teams. Pat, thanks so much for taking time. Let's go to the Celtics first.

Okay? So last year you go to the finals. This year you go to the conference finals. And remember, you had a tumultuous coaching change right before the season. If you're in that front office, what do you do? Well, the first thing you don't do is you don't trade Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum. They're obviously looking to move Tatum. But look, you know, I think it's really easy to look at that by any series and particularly how it ended.

And particularly like poke holes in some of the offensive flaws of that team. Because I think that that was the big story was on the offensive end of the floor. And say like this group is not the group that's going to win a championship for us. And I think that that's an overreaction. I don't think Boston's going to do that. I think that they look at having two guys who play a position. and have the skill sets that are just so in demand in the NBA right now. And the job really for them, I think, is to add more playmaking

because I think that that's the one thing that they lack. I think that you can make an argument that Mark is smart when he's on the floor is their best playmaker. And it's a spot. I think that when they got Brogden in, they thought, you know, he could take a large part of that. And maybe he didn't play as large of a role as they thought. But I think that that's the one area they could improve because, look,

They're a premier defensive team, and I think that just their offensive style is so reliance on playing a certain type of way that in the playoff, they need to be able to be successful in other types of ways. Yeah, it's a great point you bring up. It's like, I know the true point guard is kind of no more in the NBA, but I would also tell you that, like, Jalen Brown has never been a decision maker in the role in which he's placed. Jason Tatum, like those Brown's a slasher score, Jason Tatum's a pure

score, and yet the way in which they attack the zone, they're the ones making all the decisions and all the reads. I think as much as the offensive attack was flawed, the personnel making the attack equally flawed. Fair? No, I think that's absolutely fair.

And I think, look, you never try to put a feeling on a player's growth. And so I think that every summer, Jalen Brown can be focused on improving it's a decision maker and a playmaker, but I think we both agree that that's never going to be his strong suit, you know, and I think that you can get playmaking outside of the traditional point guard role. I think if you look at a lot of teams, what they're able to do with the Senate position is an area where you can get a lot of that. And so I think that you're right,

I think neither of those two guys is really going to be the guys that never are going to be setting anyone up. But I think as they build their team, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a skill set at whatever position they really need to focus on. Okay. So again, you talked about center that's like Nicola Yokic, right? Point center, point forward. How do you adjust that? How do you adjust their roster if it's you? Well, I think Rob Williams right now, to me, he's a really interesting question going forward because when he's on the floor, he brings their defense to another level. I think he's probably maybe an underrated passer,

but it doesn't look to me like they've pushed him to kind of expand that part of his game more. He's more of a lob threat at the rim. And so I think the question becomes, if he is your center of the future and he lacks that skill set on the offensive end, are you willing to maybe find defense in other areas if you're going to try to go and, you know,

address the playmaking issue on the offensive end? event. I think it's a hard question because I think he does so much for them to... How have the heat done this? Well, anyone that is just going to dissect what they did in the playoffs and said, yeah, there were signs here. I think it's lying here. It's come number one are just incredible epic shot making. First by Jimmy Butler in their first round series. He averaged 37 points. I think shot 45% for three. And then I think with Kayla Martin. has done, Gabe Vincent, that's been really special.

I think that an underrated part of the coaching and what Eric Spolstra was able to do in playing his own and being able to keep Duncan Robinson on the floor and then having Duncan contribute like he did on the offensive event, not only just shot making, but just a spacing. I think that that was an underrating coaching move and an area of trust that Eric Spolstra had that I thought was a very fun thing to watch. Yeah, listen, I think it helped him in, you know, look, Max Truce is not the greatest defender either. It helps them keep one or even both of them on the floor

and because of how Boston attacked it and because, you know, when Al Horford's not in or even when he was in, they're able to allow Bam out of Bio to still protect the rim. Like they kind of got the best of both worlds. They didn't have to have their center come out and cover and they didn't expose their perimeter players who weren't great defenders on the ball.

It is. And you know what? As a guy, you who watches a lot of college basketball knows the game way better than the college but I do, I think it's always comical to watch NBA teams try to, like, attack his own when they rarely see it or go against it because you're just like screaming at the TV out what to do and they never do it, moving the zone side to side and moving the ball. And inevitably, like, that's what Boston did.

and that's why it was so successful. They tried to isolate individually in a tackling zone. The shot clock would run down, and there was no time left for two or three passes to move the zone around. And I think that that's one area that Denver is going to be able to do. And I'd be surprised if Miami is going to have much success if they try to go that route. I would tend to agree with you.

All right, let's go to the Golden State Warriors. Bob Myers just worn out by Joe Lacob, right? Like there's a story today, 30 texts a day, 30 calls a day or whatever. Is it, I mean, why step away? Yeah, and I don't have any particular insight here. Like I'm following the story and reading it just like everyone else. Like I tend to just take him at his word that, look, the spotlight that they've been under and what he's done over the last 12 years there, you know, takes the time.

toll. And I could totally see him saying, look, I still have a lot left in the tank and a lot left to accomplish as an executive in the NBA. And I know if I take a year or two off, I'm going to get to take any situation I want, and compensation's not going to be an issue. And just thinking that this is the right time, I don't know if I'm going to read too much into it in terms of the conflict or the, you know, personalities, you know, and budding heads with the owner. I just tend to take him at his word that is, look, a little burned out and I need some time and I'm going to recharge and reemerge somewhere else. So what do you do with that roster, right?

You have Draymond, which Steve Kerr said, hey, there's no championship window if we don't have Drayman. Clearly he wants him back. Clay wants an extension a year early. I don't know how you feel about that. And then you have Jordan Poole with a sizable contract who had a really disappointing year, obviously following the incident with Draymond. Yeah, I think that the other element here is obviously going to be the new

CBA rules and just how punitive it is to be above that second apron. And so, you know, to me, I think it's, well, as long as you have step there, you bring Draymond back, I think they're going to have to pay to try to get off pool, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did that. and then just tried to run it back with the big three and then supplementing with, you know, hopefully undrafted guys, older vets, cheap guys around the roster

and hoping that you can get it done that way. But I don't see any imminent breakup of it this summer at all. All right, Lakers. It worked because they got Russell Westbrook out of the building, but it didn't work, I don't think, if you bring back DeAngelo Russell Long. term. You got to have somebody else who's a playmaker

shot creator. Yeah, well, I think Austin I think Austin reasons that guy and I think that that's going to be the fascinating thing to watch is because he could he could be one of those guys that other teams go and structure, one of those funky contracts that we saw with, you know, guys like Tyler Johnson

and those guys back in the day. Poison bill contracts, right? Yeah, exactly. Where you, you know, not to get into the cat, but, it gets really expensive in the out years for a team trying to match it. But I agree. I think that with LeBron, like, LeBron on the floor is your playmaker.

And what he's shown is that, number one, if you put size around him, they can be an elite defensive team, and if you put shooting around him and just maybe one other guy that if the ball swings to can put it on the floor and make a play. and you have two or three other shooters, they can be a competent offensive team. And a team that once you get in the playoffs can win games just because they can be dominant defensively and he can carry a team on the offensively.

But I don't think he's that guy anymore, Pat. I don't. I mean, I just don't like. We're talking, again, we've got to look forward one more year. He's a year later, whether he comes off of surgery or comes off of rehab of the foot. like the likelihood is and he I mean I even think he knows it right

that's why they wanted Westbrook he needs somebody else to create shots because he just can't and he can do it for a limited time but then at some point he runs out of at a gas doing it and even defensively he's not he's not the guy he used to be no no no question about that but but I think that with him he's not going to have to play a whole season and you're going to see him

strategically take breaks about the season where maybe he's going to play 60 games, right, and be fresh and ready to go. I agree. If you're making deep runs and you're playing 40 minutes a game at some point, like he's going to run out of gas. But he, yeah, I mean, what did he average

for the playoffs? He averaged 25, nine, eight. Yeah, look, like, he had 40 in their last, he had 40 in their last game, but they got swept. Yeah. Right? But they, they got swept. So, uh, I just, you know, and I, and I, and,

People like, why does he go down in the post? He's never been crazy comfortable down there. And when he does, he gets tired. As anybody who's 38, 39 years old, go to get tired quicker, right? You know? No question. He's, obviously, and you just watch the games,

he's much more comfortable. Like, first of all, in transition, attacking the rim, and then second facing the defense and attacking. and attacking and making plays. And if you don't help, like he's just going to physically still overpower guys. All right. The coaching hires are interesting.

Adrian Griffin, like, I would have thought Milwaukee will go with a guy who had won a title. And there's several that are out there. Instead, Nick Nurse, who's won that title,

he goes to Philly. Griffin right now, goes to Milwaukee. If you're Phoenix, a place you play, place you know well, and you have two stars, you got to figure out

their roster, what you do with Chris Paul? What do you do with DeAndreighton? What do you do if you're Phoenix? I'm a, you know, and this is not a sexy name, but I'm a big fan of Frank Vogel. I think that he's a guy that you know is always going to be well prepared. And the personnel obviously makes the team,

but what he was able to do in L.A. with them on the defensive end of the four. I think no one could argue about his ability to coach defense. And then I think that there's just a temperament and personality aspect there where he's, you know, a little bit understated. And he's not going to grate on the nerves of stars with either being, you know, too emotional, too roller coaster of emotions. I think he would be a good choice there. And he's, look, he's not a guy that you win the press conference with, but I think he's a guy that you look 50, 60 games into the season and say, man, he's really doing a good job of that team.

I tend to agree. I just, I wonder if, you know, you got the Isaiah Thomas factor in there. You've got a new owner. Are they looking for a sexy name? Are they looking for a younger name? There's just, you really question it. Last thing. Who do you think wins this series?

Oh, wow. I mean, it's not an original answer, but I just think Denver is just going to be able to, even if they're average defensively, they're just going to overwhelm Miami on the offensive. And I think Miami puts up a good fight, and I would be surprised if, they split a game in Denver and went back and made a good run of it in either game three or four, but I think it's ultimately going to be Denver with just too much offensive firepower. Actually, I lied. That wasn't the last thing.

Victor Webbingyama. Victor Webbingyama. Okay. I know you haven't broken down all the prospects, but he checks all these boxes, but there's still so much unknown. You have people going, well, if he's not a first ballot Hall of Fame, it's an underachievement. Is there any way if you're San Antonio, you build a whole new team by trading him?

No, no chance. Because you just have so much control over the next 10 years of his career if he ends up being like a Hall of Fame type player. And even if he's not a Hall of Fame type player, like if he's an all NBA player and you drafted him number one, like you did a pretty good job. And just the way that it works with being, able to extend guys and maintain control,

there's no chance that they hit the fast forward button and try to do anything like that. Pat, you're the best. Enjoy the finals. Look for your next hit on stadium. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks, Doug. All right, that's Pat Garrity, former front office analyst for stadium sports.

Let's get Jason Stewart with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. Jay, Stu, what do you got? Doug, the ratings are in. Now, I know this information is typically for us in the business to talk about and discuss, but I think there is a barometer here for just general public interest in the NBA playoffs. According to

NBA PR, who tweeted these numbers out, 4.7 million viewers per game, these playoffs, the most watched in 11 years. And the game 7 on Monday, between the heat and the Celtics, the highest rated, most watch game in TNT's Game 7 history, 12 million viewers. I guess the takeaway here is that maybe interest has increased in the NBA

especially compared to the last few years, but what does that say about the potential interest in these NBA finals? I honestly think it's a non-sequitur. I don't think they're related. Like they've been very fortunate. You had the Celtics, the gigantic fan base, and the possibility of being the first team to come back from three games and none.

And it was Memorial Day, right? Memorial Day weekend. And there was literally nothing else on. Sunday night is prime viewing time. Like all those things worked in their factor. You take out. And I know that Miami in the last 25 years, you can make a case there's as good a franchise as anybody, right? You won a title with D. Wade and Shaq.

And you won two titles with LeBron. And you've been to the finals in the bubble year. but they're just not a, they're not a traditional power. They don't have a gigantic sort of traditional fan base that's been built over years. And then you have Denver that they never done anything. So I don't think, you know, so far in the playoffs,

you had LeBron, you had Steph, then you had LeBron against Steph, then, you know, I don't think it was the end of LeBron, but there was the, is this the last time we see him deep in the playoffs? Whereas the Eastern Conference, you had the Sixers, Big Fan Base, you had the Knicks. He had a lot of good stuff going on. But it really is about the teams. And I just don't think these two teams will bring. I think the NBA is in a pretty good space, but I think the finals, it'll be a tough sell.

Jeff Van Gundy did a podcast with Richard Dyche recently. And he said something I think that you fully agree with here. he says that social media has had a negative impact on players in the NBA and a negative impact on people that cover the game, broadcasters. He says, quote, people have worked with on social media, they really get down about what Joe Fan says on Twitter. If you're going in there for validation, I just don't get it. I don't know why they care about what they think. They're not going to go on Twitter and say, hey, great job tonight on ESPN. I know you agree with that, Doug.

No question. You can't, you could, you could give the, the congressional medal of honor to somebody. If you Twitter search their name, you will find something negative about them. That's, it's, it's, that's what message boards existed for. That's what they, people just, they want to hate to hate. And Jerry Sloan, the late great Jerry Sloan said, you know, if you listen to fans who long to become one of them. And I think that's the case here. Jeff, if you don't think Jeff Van Gundy does a good job calling games, then maybe you should

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Doug Ghalyman for Collins to hurt, Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. Yesterday, Bob Myers stepped down. After 12 years on the job as general manager of the Golden State Warriors. And by anyone's estimation, right, it was a successful run. Four titles. Steph has become a superstar. I think the same can be said for Draymond and to a lesser extent Clay Thompson. Here's Myers on why he's stepping away. The bottom line is this job, and I would say this for any professional general manager or coach requires complete engagement, complete effort, 1,000%.

And if you can't do it, then you shouldn't do it. And so that's that's that's that's the answer to the question of why. Okay. He said this about what's next for him. Well, my wife said we're going to get a drink, maybe on the way home. I don't know that answer, and I guess I don't need to know that answer. I'm in a narrow lane just because I love basketball so much. But I don't know.

I've never really stopped going. I went right from an agent to this. I went to law school at night after college. I just, my whole life has been like, Maybe it'll be good for me to sit still. I don't know how good I'll be at it, but I've actually never done it and maybe figure some things out. I think it's a great point, right? It's a great point.

And look, Bob Myers is, what's he, he's 48 years old? I don't know if it's midlife crisis. And I know, like, people are looking at this thing. They're like, man, Joe Lacob said, I'm going to miss talking to him five to 20 times a day. He's like, oh, yeah. I mean, I think we know who Joe Lake up is, right? A really, really successful, really, really successful guy in the private sector, you know, as a businessman. He was a partner at Kleiner Perkins, you know, and they're, they do incubation, early stage of growth companies.

It's a, it's a VC firm, right? Here's the guy that has just been a winner in the private sector, and he has that same energy and attention to detail and the constant go, go, go, go, go. And obviously they've hit with the Golden State Warriors. And at some point, you're like, man, that's a lot. That's a lot. Do I think he burned out, Bob Myers? Probably. He wears you out.

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