The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Caleb Williams and the Bears, Aaron Rodgers saving the Steelers, Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Colin delivers his latest “Colin Right, Colin Wrong”, calling out what he nailed about Aaron Rodgers’ resurgence and where he missed on the Green Bay Packers Then, 3-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to discuss the Chicago Bears’ offensive turnaround, why rookie QB Caleb Williams is already showing tons of promise, and why Hasselbeck believes head coach Ben Johnson is building something special in ChicagoSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. Late window was decent. Bill's got the win. I'm wearing some Buffalo Bill's colors today just for you. Cowboys tonight. They're favored now by three and a half with Kyler playing a role. Is that a soft benching, by the way? What is that about?

Is he healthy? Yeah, I think he is. I thought he was a first guy's quarterback. All right. Here we go on Monday. Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both. Where Colin was right? I said when Sam Dorn.

gets drafted. I said he's not Andrew Luck, but he's like 80, 85% of Andrew luck. Tough, athletic, big arm, PFF has him number one, third in the passer rating. Nobody can work with the Jets. That's Siberia. Aaron Rogers looked 100 years old with the Jets. Look at him now. The bottom line is Sam Donald needed a better fit. He's just too damn talented to not make it in this league. And he was 16 for 16 in the first half. I said, not Andrew Luck, but his comp is somewhere close to Andrew Luck, and it looks like it. Where Colin was wrong. I thought Kansas City was the best team in the league, but it's weird when these two teams play,

I feel like what happened in the game before the game they're playing? Ten times they've met, they're five and five, gave up 400 yards, could not protect Mahomes. It felt like from the first series on, Buffalo had better energy, better focus and a better game plan. Where Colin was right? Okay, I've been saying this. Stop telling me about the Steelers defense.

Who cares? It's Aaron Rogers. They can't run the ball. The offensive line pass protections rated very mid. Everybody wants to tell me about this defense. This team's going as far as Aaron Rogers is going to take him. Nine different guys caught the ball, tied for third in touchdown passes. I'm telling you, he has not played this well.

In my opinion, since his MVP season, he is moving way, way better than he did in New York. This team is Aaron Rogers. It's not Tomlin. It's not the defense. It's Aaron. And right now he's playing like a top 10 quarterback. Where Colin was wrong. I love Matt LaFleur, but this team in Green Bay has no identity, and that's on the coach.

Their fifth in rushing attempts, but 24th in yards per carry. They want to run. They're not good at it. And now Tucker Crafts gone for the year. I always worry about teams. And when they don't have an identity, they've just got a bunch of good players. I mean, they've lost to Cleveland, Carolina, and tied Dallas. This isn't a lack of talent.

It's a lack of knowing what they are. And that's hard to create, sometimes harder to maintain. But I do feel like the compass is off and Green Bay's offense is a little lost. right now. Where Colin was right? I said this before game six and seven. Yoshi is worth every penny because the Dodgers starters, there was a lot of injuries. So he started 35 games this year. Yeah, I think the Dodgers starter, their ace is worth $325 million. He's an unbelievable talent, four and O in the World Series, and everybody gets worked up with all the money the Dodgers have, but they're starting pitching this year.

I mean, they had injuries everywhere. Glass now, Snell. So the difference between $35 million, you go four and own a World Series and went back to back. He has mostly paid for himself. Where Colin was right? Howie Roseman, GM and the Eagles does it again. He just landed Jalen Phillips from Miami.

Good Edge Rusher for a third round pick. Now he's a pending free agent. If he leaves, They'll get a compensatory third round pick. So I've said for years, aggressive wins in sports, and everybody's talking about the Philadelphia offense. They're 23rd in sacks. This is what separates Philadelphia from a lot of the Cincinnati's of the world.

They are willing. They're on call 365 days a year to make a deal. And this is a deal the day before the deadline, and it solves an issue that nobody's talking about. You better get the Stafford if you want to beat him. You better get to golf. If you want to beat him, Philly's Howie Roseman goes out and makes a deal. Where Colin was wrong.

I like the commander's direction. I had him winning last night. I had him as a playoff team. I keep waiting for the juice and they don't have it. One of the things that worried me, they're the oldest roster in the league, the opposite of Seattle or Green Bay. Old rosters get beat up. They're just not very good.

And they're not deep. I think they're much more in a rebuild than they wanted to admit. coming into the season, and I liked them based on the hype, some confirmation bias. They're not a very good team. Where Colin was right. I've always loved the Miami Hurricanes, but they're not a national brand. And Mario Cristobal, I said earlier this year, I didn't know, I didn't trust Carson Beck. I didn't know if I trusted him.

Mario Cristobal is 4 and 11 in November and later in Miami. And they lost again this weekend, this time to SMU. Listen, they have a small fan base, no home field advantage. If you're going to win national championships, those late season games playing at home matters. I love watching them play. But Christobal at Oregon, his teams were wildly inconsistent, often struggled as favorites or near favorites on the road. And this was a clunker. Where Colin was right?

Finally, the Philadelphia 76ers are five and one and not building around Joe L.M.B. I think I've been on this for three years. You can't build a franchise around. an often injured big. Instead, Tyrese Maxie, who J. Mack would confirm, I said it three years ago, this guy is going to be a one. He's averaging 34 a game. V.J. Edgecombe on fire.

They are led by their back court. And by the way, the Warriors had a pretty good dynasty led by theirs. I never bought into Embed. He didn't deliver in the playoffs. He was often injured. He struggled even fitting in with the Olympic team. I preached it for you. years. He can be a great player. He can't be the centerpiece of a championship team where Colin

was right, where Colin was wrong on a Monday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck's got a lot to chew on. He's bringing us up to date and his thoughts. You know, I said this about the bills and the chiefs. Played 10 times. It's 5 and 5. We all know the history. But that was a classic example of, they go back and forth. What was the last game? What's this game? I just thought scheme, juice, energy? It just felt like Buffalo's night. Did it not? Yeah, it did. And for whatever reason, this matchup, you know, Buffalo seems to win all the games in the regular season and then the second time around in the playoffs. The Chiefs seem to win. It reminds me a little bit of what we did when I was in Seattle or when I was with the Indianapolis Colt. So I think we did a great job of this.

And I think the Chiefs do a good job with this. You kind of have a post, a post game action plan. And so a lot of times, like after a game, you just say, hey, let's just flush that move on. We're on to Cincinnati, quote unquote, right? And what we did is like we would actually spend some time on Monday mornings and we'd say, okay, let's talk about what we would have done differently last night. And you list it all out, the good, the bad, the ugly, all the stuff, the stuff that gets you be everything. And then, you know, you play like six or seven weeks or eight weeks or nine weeks.

And you come back to that action plan of like, hey, what did we say the morning after? Like, hey, we should have a tack number or whatever, whatever. You know, we should have ran the ball more. Hey, we got too cute in the red zone. Hey, it's protection first. like don't let this guy be a game wrecker. And, you know, I think that those were two things that we did when I was playing, that we didn't do it on every team that I was at.

And I wish we did. And it feels to me that Kansas City is always, always different second time around. Yeah. So I said this, never complain in this league winning ugly on the road. And the Bears are. Okay, they would have lost that game a year ago. They've blocked a kick by the Raiders. They got lucky in a Jay and Daniels fumble.

I mean, they are winning ugly. I don't love. It's funny. Their offense is ranked fourth. So they've got skill. They've got the coach. Caleb's still sometimes with accuracy. Now, I will say this.

He does not throw picks and he's cut his sacks in half. I don't know if that's him or Ben. But I said going into the year, I said, Matt, don't get paralyzed by the record. They've got to cut the sacks in half. And Caleb's also never been a big interception guy. Wasn't in high school, wasn't at USC. He's not in the, even last year, he had six. they're getting better, but as I watch them, I'm like, I wish it was a little quicker.

What do you see? Well, I'm sold on Ben Johnson. Like, I think he's the real deal. Sometimes when you're a good play caller or a good coordinator, it doesn't mean you're going to be a good head coach. And you said, like, Caleb's cut his sacks in half. He's done way better than that. I mean, yesterday he was sacked two times.

One was on him 100%. The other one that didn't hurt him. It was, you know, we have a field goal in the bank, like, just protect the ball. I think they're creative, they're fun, they're dangerous. Ben Johnson's doing everything that he did in Detroit. But at the same time, they're physical. You know, they bring in Ozzie Tripillo as an extra, you know, he's a jumbo tight end. He's an offensive lineman for the good, hard play action shot plays.

And then it's like third and manageable the whole day. It's like third and five or less. So Caleb's getting the ball out on time and on rhythm. And so while we always show the highlights of like the trick plays, I think the boring stuff where Caleb's really improved is just like you're saying, protecting the ball, not taking sacks. helping out the defense, complimentary football. And then just like how stoic Ben Johnson is the whole time is really remarkable.

And then on that Loveland touchdown at the end of the game when Cincinnati was allergic to tackling, they're like the first guy in the end zone is Ben Johnson celebrating like John Travolta or something on the dance floor. It's really cool. And you see him in the locker room that way. I think the future is bright for Chicago. You know, it's interesting. So many of these coordinators are brilliant as the vice president. They're brilliant as the two.

and then they unravel as the one. I wonder what it is. You know, you were in this league. It's not brainpower, but some guys are just naturally comfortable in front of men and leading. By the way, a lot of guys are not comfortable of relinquishing responsibility.

I remember talking Elaine Kiffin about this years ago. Some guys want to be on the headset. Is there a secret sauce that if you had to go back in your career on coordinators that make great head coaches? Is it a personality thing? or a leadership thing. Well, it's a lot of things, right? And I think Ben Johnson didn't jump into it too early.

He could have been a head coach a long time ago. And he said, no, I'm not ready. I want to stick it out here in Detroit. We're working on something special. And some of it is building your staff, building the people around you. But no doubt, there's a nit factor. In my career, I had coaches where early on,

they might have been a GA, quality control coach, an assistant position coach. They get up in front of the room and, like, man, they just commanded the room. Yeah. Like, there's something special about this guy, a confidence. And like, yeah, no, you're that guy.

As opposed to the guy that's like, you know, the little professor guy in the back room that, like, hey, I appreciate your scheme. But I don't know if you're commanding the locker room. Yeah, no, we had Ben Johnson on the show very early and he had a McVeigh quality. It's just a guy that stood up, looked you in the eye, handsome guy, had a command of the room, and to your point. So I was saying this is Seattle, it doesn't happen very often. standalone game and the home team gets pushed around for three hours. I look around the NFC.

I think Seattle matches up with everybody, including Philadelphia. I mean, is there a part of Seattle they could improve? Is there a hole in this team that you see? Well, for sure. I mean, every team has things they need to work on. You know, I think the Seahawks are so good in so many areas. The NFC is very competitive, though. I think one of the best things they do is that they are, they don't flinch on the road. They're almost better on the road than they are at home, which is a total head scratcher. But listen, JSN, Sam Darnold, those are two of the best players in the game right now. They're protecting Sam Darnold because of like their heavy play action. They're peering like they're going to run the ball.

I think their kryptonite might be you have to actually be able to run the ball when they know that you're going to run the ball. Everything that they're doing right now is check with me. It's very smart. Too many in the box. We're going to throw it. Lightbox, we're going to run it. the best teams you're able to run it when the defense knows you're going to run it and uh i think that you know it's a critique i guess but if you're talking about trying to be the one seed or trying to go

up and win the you know hoist the lombardi uh that's the kind of stuff you got to be able to do so um i love bow nicks he's on a six game heater he's great in the fourth quarter and everybody tells me he's no good j jay mccarthy has his third start i'm supposed to say well he's unbelievable. I said earlier, it reminded me of the Michigan J.J. McCarthy. The defense set the tone. I love the head coach. And they asked him to make one or two huge throws in the second half. And he was very good on script, like Michigan. But if you go second, third, and fourth quarter, he had a pass-a-writing of 38. So I'm not going to judge him. It's his third start. But my take is, my concern was when he came out of Michigan is, boy, they don't ask him to do

much. Harbaugh's great. The O-Line's great. The defense is great. They're running to close the games out. He never trails. And he makes one big play. I feel like that's kind of what I saw yesterday. Or am I under is, am I being underwhelmed? Did you see more? No, he's a young player. And it was a gritty performance. He kind of reminds me of myself, though, early in my career. The training wheels were on. I think he completed 14 passes. He had two nice touchdown passes in one bad interception. But it's a, it's a little bit like, hey, we're just going to take it slow with you. You know, I think he passed for eight first downs yesterday. And so, like, they're going to need more from him.

But he's a young player coming off of injury and I think just getting used to the speed of the game. They like the potential. Unfortunately, for him and for the Vikings, they could have had Sam Darnold. They could have had Daniel Jones. They could have had Aaron Rogers. And so the microscope and the scrutiny is going to be high. The guys in your draft class are doing really, really well. So you're going to have to grow up really quick.

I think that, you know, stacking these gritty performances and these games will go a long way for earning respect in the locker room. And then I think with the coaching staff, they're going to give you a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more. And eventually, you're going to have to put the team on your back into Justin Herbert kind of way. And that'll come. But right now, no, it's, you know, all the same stuff we're talking about with Caleb. You know, like you've got to kind of, you got to grow and you got to not take sacks and you got to protect the football. and those types of things. So creating an identity is hard, but it's essential,

and sometimes it's harder to maintain it. I feel like Green Bay is off. The compass is off. They want to run it, but they're not terribly effective. They trust Jordan Love mostly, but not entirely. Reed's been banged up. Now Kraft is out. When I watch them, like I watch the Rams,

I know exactly what they're trying to do. When I watch the Niners with Christian McCaffrey, I don't even care about the quarterback. I know exactly what they are. Same with Baltimore. I watch the Packers. What are they offensively? Because I can't figure it out.

They're really good. They're just young, Colin. They're young. It was a trap game. Like the definition of a trap game. Like, and it happened. They were literally last week.

We were talking about they're the best team in the, and the NFC. You know, they took it to Aaron Rogers. They like performed. Jordan loves as cool as a cucumber. Like all the stuff. And they go into Carol. and they played like a young team.

And listen, you're going to make mistakes in the NFL. These guys are human. This isn't college football. Every game's a tough game. That's why you celebrate any win that you have. But when guys go down, you know, they lost craft in the game. Sometimes it can like be like a little bit of an energy vampire suck on the sideline there because like, man, we're thinking about our brother.

We're not focused on the game. You're going to make mistakes in the course of a career and the course of a season. Make new mistakes. If you're the Green Bay Packers, you need to learn from this mistake. when you're in a situation like this again, you can't make this mistake again. I think they took this team lightly. I think Carolina came in and they were professional about it.

Green Bay learned from this and for them, hopefully they're a lot better for it. Because really, the one seed was there for them. Now the division is very, very tight. So, you know, look out. I still like this team though. I'm not giving up on them. They just got to learn from it.

Finally, you were at one point an old quarterback. It is remarkable to watch Donald and Aaron Rogers outside of the Jets. I said they don't run the ball in Pittsburgh. The defense was good yesterday, but it's got holes all over it. I just, I watch Aaron and I'm like,

I thought it was a one. I said, you should go to the Vikings or retire. Pittsburgh's terrible in offense. Whether he's great or not, I do feel like there is something to be said about loving your job, loving the environment, and playing a little bit with joy.

I feel like Aaron's like happy Aaron. And there's kind of two errands. But when I watch him, I'm like, I didn't think he had much left in the tank. And I'm like, oh, he should play a get. This should be, it should be a two-off win a playoff game. Are you surprised a little bit that you look, there's a little fount in the youth in Pittsburgh? Well, I think a little bit surprised, but I'm not surprised that it's working so well with Mike Tomlin and with Arthur Smith.

I'm really not. And the leadership and the, you know, like the, I mean, he can. still sling it. He can still throw the ball. He's very impressive that way. Their division's not very good. Like I think we thought Cincinnati was going to be better. I think we thought Baltimore is going to be better. But as it sits right now, I mean, Pittsburgh's in position to host a playoff game and their defense came alive, creating turnovers. I just think that there's still a lot of room for improvement for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He won by seven and the Colts had like six turnovers. So like you've got to find ways to be more dominant. I'd like to see them run the ball more.

I'd like to see them run the ball more when they're down in the tight red zone, not rely on, you know, the Aaron Rogers D.K. Metcalf show, a goal line fades or slants. Like there's there's more to like there. We need consistency from that, from that defense. You know, I think they could get it. I actually like the fit. I like that Aaron Rogers, a future Hall of Famers kind of with a NFL royalty type organization. I think it's great for football. But I think my big question is like, can Baltimore jump back into this mix if Pittsburgh falters. Like can somebody else compete with them or are they just going to run away with with this division? I want to circle back. Final question. I think sometimes when you win a game, it becomes instructive. Like if I was Pittsburgh, I'd consider trade deadline running back. I think Buffalo needs another whiteout. I do wonder when you're a very good team, you're running

the football, you've got a very close locker room with Josh Allen. And all of a sudden we bring in a wide receiver. Would you be concerned? Because receivers come. of all the positions, they, you know, they're on an island. You get very unique personalities. I think Buffalo needs another, I mean, that game was 28, 21 in Kansas City had the ball. And Mahomes was awful. And Buffalo dominates time of possession. They're at home, perfect in the red zone, won the turnover battle. Kansas City was going in for the tie. I think they need to add a little icing to the cake. Would you do it with the worry that it could disrupt harmony or chemistry? I would do it and here's why.

You know, when I entered the NFL, I was with the Green Bay Packers, Mike Holmgren's head coach, they're coming off of two consecutive Super Bowls. And he was very, very clear, this organization will always search the planet for anyone that we think can make our team better. So like, don't look at who you're competing with in the locker room because we're searching the planet. And if we ever bring somebody in, it's because we are trying to hoist the Lombardi. And as a player, even though I was one of the guys that like was now replaceable,

I loved it. It just felt like, hey, this organization is all the way in, all the way in. And therefore, I'm going to be all the way in. And I better be all the way in or I'm going to get replaced myself. I like when it, as a player, I don't mind the mindset at all. I really don't. And, you know, like it might hurt somebody's feelings, but for the, for the entire locker room, I think it's a great thing.

sends a message. And I think it's a really good message. Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL. He is our Monday guest every Monday during the football season. and beyond, as always, Matt, thank you. See, you going. Yeah, it's, I just, it's one of those things where I'm sitting there watching that game last night, and I'm like, Kansas City is going for the tie? How?

I mean, Mahomes got hit 15 times. How are they going for the tie? I'm surprised you haven't played that. Well, they didn't have Isaiah Pacheco. You know, it's always like, hey, no Xavier Worthy, no Rish. They were fully formed last night. They just didn't look great. They did. When they're not playing the dumpster fire Raiders or Marcus Marriota and the commanders who look like a joke now. Remember, they've now lost on the road to the bills and the Jags. And three weeks ago, you didn't have the bills in the herd hierarchy, did you?

It's a slight... Very interesting how things are shifting the sands. I'm in the herd hierarchy tomorrow. Everybody's waiting. How far do you drop the chiefs? Are they eight, nine? What are we doing? Well, let's not an overreact.

We know Rams are going to be one. That's obvious. Well, Rams are good. Do that. It's like four weeks in a row. Rams are Broncos, basically. You have to admit, you love it that all you, your guys are thriving.

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of the My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IFR Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It does feel like the Kansas City Chiefs a little wobbly today. Denver's now seven and two. And they get two home games and a buy. They are on fire in the fourth. Let's be real, though. Denver got lucky that C.J. Stroud got knocked the hell out.

I mean, we didn't even get into it. I thought that was a dirty hit, but Stroud's probably going to be out for a minute. He looked, he was down for the count. And then, of course, Davis Mills. Come on, he's not beating the Broncos. But yeah, AFC. Keep an eye on Lamar Jackson, Colin. They're just starting to round into form.

And they're healthy. Yeah. Who was you? JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Okay, you know what?

It's time to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes, it is. They got a nice win over the Colts yesterday, 2720 against the Mighty Colts. there was some Mike Tomlin voodoo in play. Obviously, you had the punt muff early by the Colts, and then you had Daniel Jones vomiting all over himself. Mike Tomlin was asked about the Pittsburgh defense turning things around, and this is what the man does.

This is the fine line between drinking wine and squashing grapes and this business. It's nothing dramatic. A couple plays here and there that might have been different last week. We don't give up a 59-yard ball or a 33-yard ball. We don't let them convert. on fourth and one in the flat, for example, in the third quarter. That's football at this level. It's a limited number of plays or sequences that can really change the trajectory of an

outcome. We're still the same group that stunked up last week. Love that guy. No, he's right. Really, the key has been in their two big wins, Colts in New England, they got 11 takeaways. So that's just, that's like, I mean, again, you get, credit for it, but

Drake May is not turning it over that many times when they play again. I think this team comes down to really Aaron Rogers keeping them up right. They're not running the ball particularly well. I'll give some props to the Steelers before I puncture your Aaron Rogers narrative. Because I know you're sick. I don't want to hammer you

too quickly. So the Steelers defense did have five sacks. They have 18 quarterback pressures. They got after Daniel Jones. He looked like New York Giants, Daniel Jones, right? We would agree. Just lack of awareness in the pocket. He was terrible. But What I saw from the Colts, when they don't have Jonathan Taylor getting loose? That's the difference.

Daniel Jones throwing 50 times? Yeah, no. Daniel, first of all, I'll let Josh Allen throw 50, but even Buffalo has been like, we don't want you. I think the magic number to me, the elite guys in the league, I'll let you throw at 35. Most guys in this league are better at 28. 20, yeah, 25 to 30. And then some guys, Jalen Hertz, maybe better at 23. But 50 times on the road with T.J. Watt is a losing.

So real quick on Aaron Rogers, okay? The Pittsburgh Steelers offense, Colin, had a whopping 225 yards. They were outgained by about a buck 50, 3.7 yards per play, and how's this stat? Aaron Rogers attempted three passes more than 10 yards down the field. That's it, the whole game. It was basically like,

oh my gosh, I'm under pressure because Indy was blitzing all afternoon. I'm just dumping it. DK Metcalf was a non-factor. We have two catches for six yards. Again, I'm not, that, it doesn't bother me, I don't think they're a deep ball team. I don't.

I think they're like I think Seattle, first of all, Arroyo, the tight end they got, the rookie tight end, that dude runs like a receiver. JSNN is an absolute deep threat. How about this other rookie out of Colorado State? I mean, I'm telling you, Seattle, that team, and by the way, Donald was a great deep ball. And Donald, unlike Aaron, is in his athletic prime

and can get loose and extend the pocket. Seattle's a deep ball team. Tampa. with Baker Mayfield. He throws a great ball. That is a deep ball team. Not everybody is. I don't think this team is built to throw the deep ball. I think they are a 12 yard and under. I think they need turnovers to win, which is probably going to limit them in the playoffs, because the great quarterbacks don't turn it over. It's not sustainable. It seems like they're built around the tight ends now a lot. Yes. Washington, who we love coming out of...

It was a blocking tight end out of Georgia. He's like 6-7. You know, 6'7 had to say it. essentially they are just like in a box. They play short everything. I just don't think it's sustainable. They were out in those two wins over the Patriots and Colts. They were out gained by over 100 yards. No, no, no. The Steelers, they'll go as far as Aaron's going to get them.

They're not a multiple playoff win team. There's about four, I mean, Philadelphia, Rams could win multiple playoff games. I don't know that there are lots of the playoffs, Colin. I don't, are you, you sure they're going to play? No, I think Baltimore's going to win the division. I agree. I think Baltimore's style of play. is sustainable.

So we have Patriots, Bills, Baltimore, Denver Chargers. Oh, yeah. Those are all teams capable of winning more than one. And then we've got the Colts. They're in. They're winning their division. What about the Jags?

I don't know what you're going. I don't think the Colts mean Daniel Jones win two playoff games. I think you've got to watch the Chargers. This Joe Alt injury. We'll see if it's surgery. They could be cooked. And you know, I love the Chargers.

All right, let's move on to the 49ers. We didn't talk a lot about this. You had this. You nailed it. Niners roll over the Giants. the weird thing is a lot of people were expecting Brock Purdy to play. Most of the week, they're like, oh, this will be the week he comes back. They went with Mack Jones.

Following the win, Shannon had admitted Purdy wasn't that close to a return. What the? Nothing changes Mac in that way. And we're trying to ease Brock out there and to practice stuff. But, I mean, anytime you're dealing with this turf toe, it's something that probably won't fully go away all year. You know, regardless of when he comes back, he's going to always have to deal with it a little bit. especially the people you talk to have gone through turf toe. So it's really about just assessing when's the best time to come back

that you have to deal with it the least. And it's a little bit of a tricky decision. I don't think this team is led by the quarterback. I think they're old school. I think they're led by Christian McCaffrey. He had half their yard yesterday. Do you see how many touches he had? 33 touches in a blowout.

What are we doing? I don't love that. They don't have anything else. I love him in fantasy. He's on my team. He's really good. Well, Brian Robinson flashed a little bit. He had a couple of nice runs, 53 yards on five carries.

I don't even think I don't care who starts at quarterback. I think Mac and Purdy are a wash. I think Mac throws a better ball. Purdy's more mobile. I think this team is all about McCaffrey. If you go look at the most catches, he had the most rushing. He had the most. He's, it's a McCaffrey-led offense.

So the question is, why are the 49ers not giving us the real story on Brock Purdy? Ricky Pearsall? What is his knee injury? He's been out for six weeks. Brandon Ayyuk, it's been over a year, Colin. At some point the league's got to step in and be like, guys, just be truthful. Are they coming back or not? Because I can't make them a Super Bowl team with this unit.

By the way, Mikhail Williams, the guy they got out of Georgia, the edge rusher, injury sounds like he's done. So their top three edge rushers are now. Well, no, before the season, I took the Rams and the Seahawks to make the playoffs, not then. And I said, old and brittle, Seahawks and Rams are young. Niners age, isn't it? They've got to have another big draft this year because they've got too many older players. They were alive. They host the Rams this week in a rematch.

Rams are favored. I think I saw two and a half or three and a half in San Francisco. Rams right now are the better team. Shannon. The healthier team. And the healthier team. I know McVeigh started to claw back last year, but that's one of the games of the week for sure. Final story, Colin, let's go to Monday night football.

There's a lot happening right now. So I wanted to make this about Kyler Murray and could they trade him in the offseason. He seems to be healthy, but it's Jacoby Brissette starting and all the reporters say, Yeah, Kyler Murray will have a role. Your franchise quarterback will have a role. Here's the kicker. About an hour ago, this big story drops. Marvin Harrison, Sr., the father of the young receiver on the Cardinals,

spoke about the state of the Cardinals. It's very hard for me to watch this offense. I think that's just peacefully put without pointing fingers or anything. I'm giving you the professional eye. I can't deal with it. He basically throws the OC of the Cardinals under the bus for not getting his son the ball. The Kyler Murray out of shotgun every snap.

I mean, it is a bad story to drop on game day. It's been a bad year for smaller quarterbacks. Tua. Tua. Kyler Murray. Brock Purdy. Rock Purdy. For the smaller quarterbacks, it's been a rough year. So give me a minute here on Kyler Murray.

And let's say the Cardinals say, we're open for business. We're taking in offers. I think I would, you know, dome or warm weather. He's talented. Again, I don't think, I think the big money. he's done. The big opportunities are over. I don't think the top teams, but there's always six desperate teams. And the college quarterbacks I've watched are all pretty mid. So, okay, so would you rather take a shot on the Indiana quarterback, right? Mendoza,

who by the way, is like a genius who went to Cal and like a degree. No, I think Mendoza's, people think Mendoza is the guy. He could be, he doesn't have the wheels of the... Multiple NFL GMs were, uh, have been visiting Mendoza. You got to read this Wall Street Journal story on him. He's doing like internships at big. time hedge funds and financial services. He's smart. Would you rather roll with him on a rookie deal or Kyler Murray and his baggage?

Mendoza. Okay. And you apply that to Ty Simpson from Alabama. I know you don't love him. I'm just saying, we could reach a point where they have to go Russell Wilson and just dump him. I don't know. That could be in play, Colin. Who's bending over backwards for Kyle Murray?

Let's see. Is Miami going to dump two to get in bed with him? I don't think so. Well, Cleveland's drafting a quarterback. The Raiders are drafting a quarterback. The Jets are drafting a quarterback. The Saints are drafting a quarterback. So there's four teams. The Raiders is the one that's interesting. Could they somehow luck their way into six wins, have the 10th pick? And Pete Carroll says, I want to win now. Give me Kyler Murray in the dome. But then he's got to go outdoors to Denver and Kansas City. You know, your resume in life matters. And his resume is not great. There is the he doesn't

study. I mean, there's a lot of stories in this league that you and I may hear about. I know I do all the time. I texted six, seven GMs yesterday. There's a lot of stories in the league about players that doesn't make it public. You don't want to take a shot in a player. I would say Kyler Murray's reputation that doesn't make the airwaves is not good. Let me just throw out. Among executives in this league that don't want to go public, they're not going to tarnish anything, not fans. Don't go crazy. I'm just floating it. So Stafford, the last couple off seasons has been like, maybe I retire. I know it's in the division. Would they kick the tires on Kyler Murray if Stafford walks away after a Super Bowl? Go look at who the Rams draft.

They like big quarterbacks. Well, they let Jalen Ramsey go. If they think there's any me instead of we, they move off you. It's very much about the room. It is very much about culture with the Rams. They don't have a bad guy in that locker room. It's like the, I'm not saying Jalen Ramsey a bad guy. Jalen sometimes was taking risks they didn't like. Yeah. By the way, dolphins are trying to trade Jalen Ramsey right now. Go read about it online. One of the Steelers.

Oh, sorry, Steelers. Steelers have jailed. Are they? Well, Mika Fitzpatrick's on the Dolphins. They're looking to move off in. Sorry, yeah, I got the two confused. All right. J-Mak with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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But the reason the Dodgers can spend more money is because they lead Major League of baseball attendance by, I think it's like six to six. 7,000 per game. And the reason they lead major league baseball and attendance is because they're so well run. Yeah, they've got money. L.A. is not as big as New York. Chicago's almost as big. They spend their money wisely.

They defer payments. Everybody could defer payments. The Dodgers chose to defer payments. My favorite part of this team, though, is Miguel Rojas, old guy, never been an All-Star, Will Smith, most innings caught in a World Series. Andy Pa has the outfielder. I mean, who makes it, you know, mid-inning replacement.

Clayton Kershaw touched on just the unity beyond the money inside this organization. I love that guy, man. He's just a gamer. He's got all the talent in the world. But, I mean, for him to step up and do this tonight for us, like, I mean, all these guys,

Shoah on short rest, Blake's now coming in. Yama, the relievers just, I mean, it was this whole group, man, is just, I'm just so grateful and honored to be a part of this team. Like, you can talk about how much money the Dodgers spend all you want, but that group of guys is a lot more than how much money they make. It's a special group, man, it really is. And Shohei, Freddie, Mookie, Will Smith, Will Smith with the whole, like, Mickey Rojas.

I mean, like, you can just go down the list. So I'm just, I'm just grateful, man, and honored. And what a way to end it, you know? I mean, there are, go look at the rich. Minnesota Twins used to have one of the richest owners. owners. They're all billionaires. The pirates owners, you know, they don't want to spend that money. Now, do the Dodgers have massive game day revenue? Of course they do. Yes. I mean, that's, of course the Dodgers do. But I think lost in all of this is this constant need to say,

well, it's about the money. Well, the Yankees always had money, but there was a tour de force in George Steinbrenner that would make, he added pressure to the organization. You go back to those Yankee teams. They were winning the Hot Stove League. They had great players, but they had Scott Brocious from McMinville, Oregon making plays. And that's really the essence of this. I thought one of the things that was fascinating is when Rokey is one of their great young pitchers, 23-year-old star from Japan. And they asked him this year, hey, can you help us out in the bullpen? And without pausing, he's like, absolutely. Some of those teams, you ask guys to hit to the bullpen, they think it's a second-class citizen. They're not going to the bullpen.

So what's remarkable about the Dodgers is that everybody buys in despite all the salaries. And, you know, these Japanese stars, you know, over in Japan, it's a rock concert. So it's like SEC football. They come in. They are ready for the moment. They are superstars in Japan. And Japanese baseballs, you know, I've read for years, it's a high AAA. It's better than our AAA.

But the attendance and the fandom is like Major League Baseball. It's like SEC football is not the NFL or Big Ten football, but there's vibes, there's stadiums, there's athletes that will play in the NFL. And I just think overall the part about the Dodgers, I mean, some of these levers that Dave Rogers pulled, mid-inning replacements, Miguel Rojas, I mean, just remarkable stuff. A center fielder making a catch in left field. I mean, Rojas here, this series, it was so close to being the Blue Jays.

And people say it's the best world series ever. When I was a kid, there was a world series in the mid-70s that was the Red Sox. It's the legendary Carlton Fiscombe run at Fenway off Pat Darcy. And those Cincinnati Reds teams that had bench and Perez and Rose and Dave Concepcion, that was a mid-70s world series. And that's when baseball was bigger than the NFL. So that one feels that it's just Sparky Anderson was the manager for the Reds. He was a star.

you'd have managers chain smoking. I mean, it was just a different world. That felt like the biggest World Series of my life. But I'll say a lot of times networks, networks don't care who win these World Series. Networks want Game 7. I'm not going to speak for management here. We generally love Game 7s. It doesn't matter what it's in.

But I thought the Canadian fans were amazing. I thought the Blue Jays out hit the Dodgers. I mean, some of their guys, it was like beer league averages. But I think the Dodgers had the world's greatest picture. and pitching OSBs hitting and the Dodgers had Yoshi. But as a collective, these Dodger teams do remind me of a less intense version of the Yankees. We don't have a Steinbrenner out here. Nobody talks.

You don't see the Dodgers owner. It's very research and development. Andrew Friedman. It's a very smart franchise. They don't make a lot of mistakes. By the way, they let trade Turner go. They let Corey Seeger go. they didn't sign Mani Machado.

They've let a lot of guys go. This idea they buy a bit. Trey Turner, great player. Didn't he win the National League batting crown? Trey Turner, let him go. Corey Seeger, great brother. Let him go. Mani Machado, see ya.

Zach Grinke. They don't sign every big guy. They got Max Muncie who got cut by the A's. So they do Miguel Rojas. It's not like multiple bidders on that. You know, so I mean, they did do a lot well. And yes, they're well capital. Live.

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