The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Caleb Williams on Sunday, more on the Chiefs problems, Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Colin tells you why he was right about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers and wrong about Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to breakdown Bears quarterback Caleb Williams struggling for a second straight week to start the season under new head coach Ben JohnsonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's hour to. It is a Monday, Matt Hasselbe. five minutes away. It's the herd. We're live in Chicago tonight, Monday night football. I think the Raiders and Chargers are going to be really interesting. I think it's close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave a game away, and either the Raiders or the Chargers are losing tonight. So a little bit of a break for the Kansas City Chiefs who have been the reigning dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling to Pittsburgh Steelers. What are they, Jay Mack? What a fun, fun.

weekend. It was a light college football weekend. Chicago is losing patience fast with Caleb Williams. Yeah. It's kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach. We got to get to that on Wednesday with Clad if he drops by. Here we go. Colin Wright, Colin wrong, and a Monday, plenty of both. Let's begin. Where Colin was right? Well, the Chiefs, we predicted that they would be thin offensively

and they may make the playoffs, but it will only be as a wild card team. They're just not as explosive. Some of that is the Rishi Rice suspension and the Xavier worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively. But Travis Kelsey's last two weeks, he heard a teammate and then dropped that catch,

which became almost a pick six. They cannot run the ball. Baholms, as I said earlier, is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall. He's the only thing that's working, so we called this regression, you probably called it too. Where Colin was wrong. I didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar.

I didn't think it would look like this. His passer rating now is lower than Spencer Rattler. And we know it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives, he's two for two or two touchdown. So when he's on script, he's been excellent. But ad libs too much, holds the ball too. long, which is a problem for some young quarterbacks, and then too often just throws it to nobody.

It is much worse than I would have thought. Where Colin was right? I said Aaron Rogers to the Steelers will look like a glossier version of Aaron Rogers to the Jets. They won't be able to run the ball. It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games they should win, and the defense, though expensive, won't be as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah, Aaron after the game, just like he did in New York, is already calling out teammates.

Cal is the best kid ever, but he probably should have just stayed in the flat there. He knows it. I mean, or he was kind of stealing it from Pat or just catch you, put it away, scored touchdown. But Cal is the best kid, and, you know, it sucks because he's such a great kid. But unfortunately, that whole sequence, you know, took points off the board. Yeah, okay. Where Colin was wrong.

I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy against Tennessee. They gave the game away against Indianapolis. Daniel Jones carved them up. Man, they have really bad, dumb penalties. A lot of self-inflicted mistakes. You know I love Bo Nix, but his interception in the fourth quarter,

they could have sealed the game with a touchdown there. And again, there were just gaffs defensively. And the Colts have talent. Warren and Pittman and Pierce and Jonathan Taylor. The Colts have talent, especially on offense. But Denver has not looked good through two weeks. Where Colin was right? When I put Green Bay number one in my herd hierarchy,

people said, how can you do that? They're not that good. You're overreacting. Then they went out two nights later and crushed the Washington. and commanders. Green Bay is absolutely the most complete team in the league. Yes, better than Philadelphia because they've got better and deeper young, tight end and wide receiver talent. Micah found a perfect team. They have depth. They have the quarterback. I think Green Bay, defensively, this is the best Packer defense and certainly the most aggressive I can remember seeing.

Where Colin was wrong. The Texas Longhorns, I had them in the national championship. against Penn State, and they are struggling offensively. Arch Manning, and this offense is unwatchable. They could not put U-TEP away. Now, they're missing a couple of receivers and a couple of running backs. They've got injuries, but I mean, who are we kidding here? U-TEP doesn't have a player that Texas would recruit, and they've got the biggest NIL cachet in the business.

I don't know if it's mechanics or confidence, but Arch Manning is officially off. Where Colin was right, Mike McDaniel O and 2, job in jeopardy, and I think both Chris Gere, the GM, Chris Greer, the GM, and Mike McDaniel probably need to be replaced. The roster isn't good. The O lines are perpetual problem. I mean, again, special teams were even bad against the Patriots, the cultures wrecked.

The bills are up next on Thursday night football, so presumably they're 0 and 3. From the very beginning, I questioned if it was all about the sizzle, and was I getting any stake? And as of today, I don't think I am. Where Colin was right? UCLA football feels dead. When Nico I.maliava transferred from Tennessee, I said, what are you doing? Tennessee is a football factory.

They got NFL dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to UCLA. That's a huge mistake, and it was. Again, I'm not saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory. They care, they're committed. UCLA's football NIL is at the very bottom of the Big Ten. So it's a cautionary tale. I feel terrible for the kid.

I think he got bad advice. I think he's really talented, but getting routed by New Mexico. And if you watch the game, it could have been worse. It's not good. With that, Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years and the NFL is joining us live. You know, Matt, it's interesting. I watched Philadelphia last night, it just cracks me up. They're 4 and 0 since last season when they throw for under 100 yards,

which usually if you just look at a box score, you're like, oh, this is a mess. Burn the film. It's almost like Philadelphia that passing often gets them out of their rhythm. A.J. Brown had five catches for 27 yards. There is something about they're very comfortable playing big, strong, ugly football. It feels like to me they kind of, love what they are. What do you see? Yeah, I see a good football team. And, you know, I said this

last year to you and, you know, it's first in 10 for everybody else. It doesn't feel like first and 10 for Philly because of how good they are at the tush push. You know, like, so that gets a lot of attention. But I just think it's an identity of who they want to be offensively. And, you know, when you play a great quarterback, like I remember doing this a lot, go up against a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or somebody, part of your offensive philosophy is to just keep that guy on the the bench. And so like it's okay. You literally say it in the meetings. Like we're not going to try to throw for 300 yards this week. Like we're not. We're going to just try to run for 100. Like it's the mindset. It's not so much about the actual numbers, but it's the mindset. We're going to keep

their great quarterback on the bench. Not only does that help your defense, I believe it actually frustrates that great quarterback and helps him and his offense get out of their own rhythm. So I want to talk about, so, you know, listen, Detroit, Ben Johnson leaves. It felt like Detroit said, all right, we're going to bounce a little bit here. And I've always defended T. It's not Jimmy Johnson. It's not my job to make sure you're, the game's close. But it did feel like Detroit wanted to make a point by bearing the bears. Did it not? Yeah, I did. I mean, it almost felt personal. And I know it wasn't personal. But, you know, I think this is probably the lesson for me in this game. You know, Ben Johnson said, hey, I'm going to

going to try to downplay the fact that I'm going back to Detroit. You know, I'm going to like, you know, because I don't want my team to feel that pressure. I disagree with that, that, that, uh, that philosophy. I mean, I remember being, you know, on the Green Bay Packers with Mike Holmgren as the head coach. When we would go back to San Fran, his old thing, the, like he just elevated the energy in the entire building. Same thing when he was in Seattle. We'd go back to Green Bay. You see it with other different, you know, coaches when they go back to coaching against their old, uh, program, against their own team, their old team, like just the excitement, the energy that it brings. It's almost like a playoff atmosphere inside the building, sort of like Wednesday to Friday, Wednesday to Saturday.

And I think that's the better approach. And, you know, the bears just look flat. Detroit treated it like Dan Campbell. You knew he would treat it. And they came out and they looked like the team that they were last year. You know, listen, you know this and I know this. We've been married for a while. Is marriage is sacrifice and it's fit, you know? And it's like you see these Hollywood power couples and they both have great careers and it doesn't work, right? It's not their bad people. I look at Ben Johnson, who is a timing and structure coach. He's got some Shanahan. He likes structure and timing. And I look at Caleb, and Caleb, after those opening drives, you know, when he moves out of the pocket, sometimes his head is down. He's looking for yards. And I know

it's early, Matt, but it feels like from a fit standpoint, this may not be perfect. It may not work. Well, for Caleb, you better make it work because this is the best play caller and head coach and quarterback whisper that you could be with. And, you know, he did have a really good preseason game. And the theme of that game was rhythm. And by rhythm, you're meaning how many hitches the quarterback takes in, like in the pocket. Is it one, two, three, balls out, or is it just won the balls out? And some of the great quarterbacks that play in an offense like this, that's kind of how you, I guess, would evaluate it when you're just watching it. Um, You know, I think the other thing that you would just say to Ben Johnson and to Kate,

like what I would say to Caleb about Ben Johnson, just forget whatever you learned in high school and college. Forget whatever got you here and take this like beginner's mentality of I'm going to do it exactly the way that you're asking me to do it. Because if there is like some sort of like, you know, I'm doing it one way and the coach wants me to do it another way, it's not going to work. And they're going to move on. He didn't draft you. You were there before him. and so you better buy in and be all the way on his program in terms of rhythm and timing, accuracy, all those types of things.

And I think he can. But that would be the advice. You better be all in all the time and just do it his way. So I watch Michael Pennix and J.J. McCarthy, and let me simplify it. Penix gets rid of the ball fast, fast and accurate. And he's got a defensive head coach. And then I looked at J.J. McCarthy with the brilliant Kevin O'Connell, and he holds the ball and he doesn't get rid of it fast and i do wonder if how much what percentage of quarterback

play in this league is get it out of your hands because penics is just see it boom out and but and jj and caleb and especially j j j he doesn't he doesn't let it go he doesn't let it rip that he looks overwhelmed that he loses confidence and i mean i when i watch panics i'm like oh that works that's what that's what he did in college it's see it let it rip trust your confidence is that part of JJ's problem is he's just not letting it go. Yeah, I think you're spot on with Pennix. You say see it and let it rip. I think it's more like anticipate it and let it rip.

You've got to throw it almost before you see it. And I think that's one of the things that Michael Pennix did great, the University of Washington. He doesn't necessarily rely on his athleticism and legs. He relies on his eyes, his anticipatory reactions, and then his accurate throws. So for sure, I think the two young quarterbacks we talked about earlier, Caleb and JJ, like they got to let it go quicker, going back to the rhythm and the timing.

You got to let it go on one hitch, five in one hitch instead of five and two hitches. Sometimes young quarterbacks can be a wait and see thrower. I want to wait and see, and then I'm going to let it go. And then, you know, obviously there's some like just mandatory things for quarterbacks. On an outbreaking route, you can never leave it inside. You talked about confidence. I think when you hold onto the ball, it doesn't necessarily hurt your confidence as a quarterback. hurts the confidence of the offensive line. They might have done a decent job in past protection,

but because you held on and hitched it a couple, you know, won too many times, it feels like they gave up a pressure when quite honestly, maybe they didn't even give up a pressure. It just was you holding on to it. So that's something that, you know, the young quarterbacks, I think, struggle with. I know I struggled with it. But you look at the game's best quarterbacks over time, they get the ball out on time and helps their team, you know, stay on track. I was talking about this with my buddy John Middlkoff last night is I listen sometimes as a quarterback you get hurt it's not your fault you get blindsided but when a quarterback like Joe Burrell or a Justin Fields get hurt time and time again and Eli Manning never does I do think a lot of a

quarterback's health over the course of a career is are you good pre-snap do you see the blitz is coming do you get rid of the ball quickly do you understand that your personnel and where to slide protection and where not to. I don't think every injury for Joe Burrow is always on the bad O line for the Bengals. I don't know. It just feels like to me we always blame the O line and it seems like the Brady's and the Eli's, they get down or they don't get hurt. Yeah, you're, I mean, listen, protect the team by protecting yourself. I mean, you're on to something here. Obviously, this last injury, Yon Burrow is, you know, I'm not saying it's his fault. But, you know, as a franchise quarterback, which he clearly is, one of the great players in the game of all time already,

there's something, too, not being hurt. There's something, too, not ending the season on IR. You know, like the great quarterbacks, you mentioned some guys, but whether it's Brady or Breeze or Manning or Stafford, you know, how many seasons do they end on IR? I think that's something that they learn. You know, you see Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, they throw a pick. Are they going after it and making the tackle? Sometimes they live to play another play. They just get down. So I think it would be very easy to sort of blame the Bengals. Oh, the Bengals aren't spending enough money.

They're not built. You know, I could blame the Bengals for maybe not building the whole roster properly. But offensively, if they're going to give him the weapons, talking about Joe Burrow, that they're given to him, I think one of the best things that he could learn to do going forward is understand that, hey, by protecting myself, by learning to live for the next play, I'm really doing my part to protect the team.

And, you know, I love Joe. I love his style. He takes a bunch of sacks. His eyes are downfield. He makes a bunch of big plays. He's willing to put his body on the line. But at the same time, I think understanding your value to the team, that might be an area where, you know, he's going to want to, you know, I think play a little bit more like those

guys you mentioned, of Peyton Manning and Eli Manning because of his value to the team. Finally, Mac Jones had his best game as a pro. he had no George Kiddle, Brandon Iuke. I said the playbook by Shanahan should be called quarterback for dummies. It's like everybody gets it. I mean, Mack Jones did not have a big arm. He's not super athletic. They asked him to throw 39 times on the road.

That, I mean, like the Eagles with Jalen Hearst want him to throw at 23. It's almost double the throws. And so I look at it yesterday and I'm like, Mac Jones looked great. I mean, what does Kyle do in terms of simplicity? He's got backup tight ends. You know, who are they? He's got to have some cheat code. Does he not for quarterbacks?

Well, if you were to talk to quarterbacks around the league, I think you would hear this. I think you would hear that Kyle Shanahan and Matt LaFlor are the guys that they would want to go play for. And you see guys try to resurrect their career by going and spending a year with those kind of guys. And there are other guys, I'm sure. Daniel Jones spent some time with Kevin O'Connell. Like, there's other guys. But you saw what Sam Darnold did when he went to San Fran, was there as a backup, kind of resurrected his career. I'm sure that's what Mack Jones thought, hey, listen, I'm going to go do that.

Now, am I going to overreact because of a good game against the Saints? Like, no, not necessarily. But this is why Mac Jones chose to go there. This is why quarterbacks around the league sort of are jealous about the play caller, the scheme that is Kyle Shanahan, that is Matt LaFleur. But to overreact and think that maybe somehow, you know, like Brock Purdy's not like the real difference maker on that team. Like to me, I think he is. But it goes hand in hand with a great play caller, great play designer, which they clearly have in San Fran. I got to ask you this.

One more thing. I don't know your injury history. But I said, whoever Dak Prescott's surgeon is, he didn't get paid enough. Dak is so rejuvenated. His mobility is back. it's rookie or second-year DAC. His confidence, his body language, like, DAC looked unbelievable yesterday,

and the Giants D-Lines pretty good. And they don't, you know, CD Lam's obviously a special talent. Like, he's really good. But it's not a great personnel group up front for him. I don't know. I always thought pro athletes off surgery had to play their way back into confidence. I'm kind of blown away by Dak through two.

weeks. Can you explain it? Yeah, I've heard you say it. It's the eye test. You see a guy right away. You can tell what kind of offseason he had, you know, and there's off seasons that you have that aren't really successful. I mean, I remember I had one of those, I think, 0809. Just like I didn't, I looked at myself, but I didn't feel fast. It didn't feel explosive. I didn't feel powerful. You've heard Dak Prescott talk about this, this, talk about that this year saying, like, I didn't like how I was last year, especially as a runner. And so he's worked on that. I think he looks different. Physically. I think he looks different running the ball. He's been He's been great.

And I know this for a fact, as a player, as a quarterback especially, when you feel great about your off-season training, when you feel strong and fit and powerful and explosive, you feel confident. Like, you feel confident as a player, you feel kind, you just feel different. And I think your teammates feel it, and I think there's an emotional intelligence

that kind of like rubs off on the sidelines. If you watch Dak this year, he's not like sitting on the bench, you know, getting drinks and water and gatorade and all that stuff the whole time. He's on his feet. He's dapping up his teammates. He's walking up and down, offense, defense, O-line, he's engaged. I just think that, to me, that screams like a guy that had a great offseason. Whatever he did, it was great, and I think he should continue to do that.

Yeah, I mean, I asked him to throw against that front for the Giants 52 times, and yet he still had at the end of the game the energy to peel off, to throw 52 times in the NFL. That is the calorie burn itself is insane. And then he peels off a run in overtime, and I'm like, Like, dude, that is all-time stuff. That is impressive. Yeah, and having his legs is an important piece to the puzzle of who he is as a player.

When he came in that rookie year, when he replaced Tony Romo, he gave them a little bit of a boost with the mobility, with the naked bootlegs, and that one scramble that just breaks the defense back when they call the right play. So, you know, that's an important thing. And this is a dangerous team with a great kicker. They're saying his range is like 70 yards. Look out for Dallas. They're a lot better than people thought before the season. All right. Matt Hasselbeck, as always, great stuff on a Monday.

Yeah, I mean, you go look, folks, when you ask a quarterback to throw 52 times in a pass rush of the Giants, and they're still scrambling for the first down late, it's impressive. Matt Hasselbeck, thank you for stopping by on a Monday. We still got a lot to talk about Mark Slareth on that Bronco giveaway game. Brutal. I didn't think yesterday was a great day for officials. By the way, Dean Blandino came out on the Tush push and said, I'm over it. It's a very hard play. I think that that's going to seize, that's going to be the end of the tosh push and the offseason when they raise their hands for a vote.

When the officials say, we can't really officiate it, we can't really clearly see it. I think that's, I mean, that's the bottom line, a league starts with rules. Any sport, I don't care what sport you are, if you're creating the UFC 25 years ago, rules. And then you have officials, right? Here's our rules. here's the people who will officiate it, we'll teach them. Then we have the athletes. When the rules and the officials are at odds,

and the officials are saying, we just can't see where's the ball. I mean, Philadelphia looks like they're nudging off sides and getting a false start. Nobody's calling it. That will be the end of it. Because Philadelphia can say, we invented it. Nobody can stop it.

But if the officials are struggling to officiate a play, that's dangerous. And I think that'll be the end of the tush push in the offseason. Oh, wait a sec. For years, the officials were like, we don't know what it catches. I mean, the bobbling, all this stuff. This is a little easier, Colin, just because they ran it seven times yesterday and Chiefs fans can't stop it. They're very upset. They're crying. Why don't we just put a chip in the football? That is the easiest thing you can possibly do to get a great spot. People have been talking about this for years. And by the way, can't the officials just huddle up and be like, hey, let's have it. Let's have an official meaning. and this is how we adjust to what the Tush push is

and we make sure we do a better job of it. I don't like outlawing the best play in football, the most automatic unstoppable play. I don't know why the rest just can't be better. I don't love it either, but, and for the record, other teams have tried it and failed. It does not look the same with everybody else? Did you see J.J. McCarthy try it last night?

He's like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, he looks scared to run the play. Williams, forget it. He doesn't know what he's doing. It's not, I mean... I know it's interesting. So Travis, Jason Kelsey retires, best center in a decade. That's right. And the tush push doesn't go backwards. Because what Jalen Hertz is,

is the strongest quarterback pound for pound probably in league history. There's been a lot of big guys and a lot of tall guys and fast guys. How many quarterbacks, you know, do a 660 pound leg press? And I think a huge component to this, he is shorter, he's stout, he's smaller, He gets an incredible push.

Now, their O-line is excellent. But they just lost the best center in a decade in the sport, and the tush-push remains unstoppable. So it was not Kelsey. It's Jalen Hertz, who makes that puppy work. By the way, the Chiefs have Creed Humphrey, one of the best centers in the league. Why don't they run a touch?

Just give it a shot there, Pat. Huh? No, it's on, Jalen Hertz is just a weird combination of, you know, diminutive size. So you can't get it. Josh Allen's the most talented quarterback in the league. Justin Herbert, I've seen him try it. Well, there's 6'5. People can head hunt with Hertz, head down, huge leg strength.

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Let's revisit the Detroit-Chicago game, Colin, because Ben Johnson went home back to the Lions Den since leaving for the Bears this off-season, and they got waxed. I mean, listen, not his fault, but they got destroyed anyway. Brian Branch on the back end of the Detroit defense. He made a great play yesterday.

He talked about getting revenge against Ben in the postgame. Very motivated. We know coming into this game that this is personal, really all these game personals. But this one was just, we felt like we've been, you know, betrayed it. From the staff to the players. And, you know, we love Ben. We still love Ben.

he's a great, you know, coach. He's a great mastermind, but yeah, it was time to get out to him. Yeah, and it went downhill really fast. And for the record, I mean, watching Amaran St. Brown and Jared Gough, when you can work with a player, like two committed guys, Goff and Amaran St. Brown, and you can work together for years and years because there's so much movement, J. Mack in this league, quarterbacks and coaches and coordinators.

And so even though Goff lost his coordinator, it's Jared Goff and Amarong St. Brown. You can see the time they have dedicated to the craft. Those guys know where each other is going to be. And that right now is one of the best combos in the league. Amaran St. Brown was a fourth round pick. And Jared Goff got jettisoned by the Rams. But, I mean, I'll say this about Detroit.

Dude, they got weapons. They have drafted well because they got speed everywhere on this team. All right. So let's remember Bears secondary was banged up, got cooked against J.J. McCarthy in the fourth quarter. All right. So you knew golf was going to go off. We talked about this.

This was the biggest bet of the weekend. Easy layup. The question is, which Detroit team is the real one? The one that got spanked in Green Bay where they didn't have any touchdowns until the final like three minutes or the one that opened a can and dropped 55 on the bears. Which is the real Detroit team this year or is it somewhere in the middle? Yeah, I think it's, I think it is a team that when Jared got, because remember, they drafted interior offensive linemen.

And so offensive starters don't play a ton. Offensive lines don't play a ton in the preseason. So you could make an argument is that Detroit opened up against the best team in the league in Green Bay, who was returning most of their team plus Michael Parsons. So you had a Green Bay team that's young, but has played together against the Detroit team rebuilding their interior line,

and it got ugly fast. Right. My take is as the offensive line, develops. They're running backs, their receivers, Gough. They're too talented not to score. I don't know how good they are in the back end defensively, but if Detroit can get the offensive line

right, and they have drafted incredibly well under this GM, is that they're going to score points. They may lose shootouts, but Detroit is more than capable of scoring. Okay. All right. So not to look too far ahead, but week three, Detroit Lions at the Baltimore Ravens

outdoors Monday night football this week. Not great. Not great. Colin, the last time they met, it was an absolute massacre. And the line I'm seeing is Ravens minus six. Yeah. I think that's a smash spot. I'm sorry. Outdoors, they're different. And they had Ben Johnson last time they went and they got their butts kick. So let's just, let's settle down on Detroit and in 50 Burger. Yeah. They're going to get hammered in Baltimore. Next up, what are we doing here? Oh, New York Giants, Cowboys. Hell of a game. Listen, two teams that aren't going. anywhere, but it was fun. Billion lead changes in the fourth quarter. Thrilling victory for Dallas.

They did not cover the spread, though. I like them big. How about Russell Wilson, balled out? 450 yards, three tuddies, and we're not going to hear about Jackson Dart for another all week. Malik neighbors pointed out Russell Wilson's resilience, adding he's capable of more. I don't know how much more he can do than 450 and three tuddies. I mean, listen, that moon ball that he's throwing. They threw four of them. Well, first of all, what's up with the Cowboys back into the defense? They didn't realize it until overtime. Hey, we need a safety over the top, guys. That was a great finish, fun game.

Giants could have used a dub there because, as we know. The difference between Dak and Russell, because they were both amazing, as Russell made the big mistake late, and Dak did not. Yeah. That was rid of the game, because it could have done. I mean, there were multiple times in this game. I thought the Giants were going to win. Three or four different times.

I thought the Giants had it sealed, and then Dak would come back and drive them down. Yeah. So, and I'll tell you this. The Giants, we've said this, J. Mack. The Giants have talent. They've got a couple of receivers that can run. Yeah. I don't want to hear the giant.

No, no, without Andrew Thomas, their left tackle situation is dire. They benched an offensive lineman after one drive. They have forced rate penalties. They got some problems. Secondary was not great. But as you pointed out earlier, hey, Dak was dealing. That's two weeks in a row. He's made some hell of a throats.

listen, I know it's early. Dak looks like a top 10 quarterback right now. If I if I would say anything about my predictions, Dallas is significantly better than I predicted and Denver has looked worse. Now Denver didn't win a game over, but Denver's

looked sloppy and mistake-filled with Sean Payton. They've been disappointing to me. They gave the game away yesterday. So Denver's not nearly as good as I predicted, and Dallas has been significantly better. I was literally after the mica trade. My take was, we'll go draft a quarterback and draft the next Micah. This is the best DAC I've seen probably since year two. He has so much.

He was a MVP finalist. No, no, he was, but he is running like young DAC on the rookie contract. That's what he looks like right now. It helps it. Javante Williams, a little turn back to clock action. I thought week one was just luck. He's another guy that came off a big surgery. Yep. Yeah. He looked good. Final story, Colin, is the Monday night football doubleheader Bucks are in the opener against the Texans. And then the big one at night. 10 p.m. Eastern start, Colin, I don't know how you feel about that.

Good thing you're not on the East Coast. But Brock Bowers expected to play tonight. Pete Carroll said he looked great over the weekend. That's a huge get-back. Chargers are minus three and a half. I haven't bet this game yet. I'm actually leaning

Raiders getting the hook. I like Houston, minus the points in the opener, I think is the strongest play of the night. I would take, I think Houston is going to win and cover. I don't know, these division rivalry games, I think the Raiders at home will play very tough, and I think it's a three-point game. I'll take the Chargers to win, but I would take the Raiders in the point. Yeah. It feels like a 23-20 type game.

Whoever has the ball last. Remember, the Chargers face Denver next. So if they can be Kansas City and the Raiders, and then they get Denfer, next. So this is a great spot for the Chargers to do some separating from Kansas City. What are we going to do quarterback rankings this season? You should do an in-season one. And I'm sorry, Burrow has to be out because he's not actually playing. Because I'm just telling you, Justin Herbert to me, it's only one game. If he shows out well tonight, I think he could take that Burroughs spot as fourth best quarterback. I mean, Herbert looked

that good. I love Joe Burrow. You love Joe Burrow. But Joe Burrow now is injury. prone and that's exactly those are two words you have to acknowledge. Justin Fields by the way is banged up again. Well, Justin, well, fair or not, Justin Fields puts himself in those positions. So I always said this about Sam Darnold, who I loved. Sam was reckless. Sam is not nearly as reckless as he was four years ago. He was putting himself in bad spots. And I mean, I loved Andrew Locke. Loved him. But Andrew didn't play for another down. Andrew, I mean, he used to say, I don't. I don't. feel like the game starts until I've been hit. That's okay for a defensive end.

I don't want my quarterback having that mindset. So I think with Joe Burrow, I mean, we've got to be honest about this. He, the thing you love about him is he just never takes his eyes from downfield. In a relentless pass rush, he will sit in there and take shot after shot. Tony Romo did this. I mean, it's not too late to like tear it up and be like, listen, this is what we've got to do. You see what the Eagles did? They got an offensive line.

and they got Jalen Hertz. We need to put everything we've got into the offensive line. If we got to give away Higgins, I think you've got to give away Higgins. I mean, honestly, if you're not protecting your $275 million investment, what are you doing? Totally agree. I mean, the offensive line is your insurance policy for the Bentley. The quarterback's the Bentley, the O lines the insurance policy. I mean, it's really what it is.

It's not glamorous, but you've got to pay for it. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News. You can blame who you want, but I want to talk about this next. How can the Pittsburgh Steelers not understand a basic kickoff rule, which really gave the Seahawks momentum in the game?

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Rams Eagles will be unbelievable. That will be unbelievable. I'm telling you, the pass rush that the Rams put out there and they don't have to bring extra people. They just bring four guys, and they get a tremendous pass rush off the edge. So it's, you know, Jalen hurts. But, you know, Philadelphia, again, Philadelphia's passing game gets in the way of their offensive rhythm. So that will be a great game, two great games on Fox Sunday. So I don't know what to make a Steelers.

So there's a basic rule in the NFL. We have a new kickoff. And I don't want to hear, well, there's a lot of new kickoff rules. Here's the easy one. If you kick off and the ball lands between the 20 or the back of the end zone, you got to down it. Right? Like you have to return it or down it. It's a live ball.

Pittsburgh rookie Caleb Johnson apparently didn't know the rules. I don't think he touched it, but Seattle knew live ball. So the road team certainly knew. The kickoff team knew it was a live ball. But once again, Mike Tomlin, one of the criticisms, he's a little loose on the details. heavy into motivation, always gets his guys fired up. They're not good in the details. Oh, by the way, why can't they get the offensive line right?

That's probably the most detailed unit on a football team. The symmetry and the chemistry and the cohesion on the offensive line. Steelers can't get the offensive line right. Aaron, and the second thing that worries me, this is the most expensive defense in the league. And they're terrible. They're giving up 400 yards a game and 31 points. Now, again, one of those. was a freebie they gave to the Seahawks on the kickoff.

Aaron Rogers had a couple of picks. They weren't great. The one in the end zone was a bad deflection, and Aaron got a little defensive when people came after about the week two loss. It's week two. Come on, then. Come on. Come on.

It's week two. I mean, like, it's good for us. Last week, probably there's some people who were feeling pretty good, because everybody outside the building is talking about how great we were on offense and 34 points. That's the league. You can't ride the highs or ride the lows. You know, you got to refocus every single week and be a professional. Yeah, I don't mind the interceptions.

I mean, the one was a bad deflection in the end zone. The other one, he's throwing the ball deep down the field. And he also had the throw to the tide end in the red zone. He also had the throw to D.K. Metcalf were great throws. That is so, Aaron. The question is, how often do you get into the red zone because the Steelers can't run? And this is what I had said from the very beginning, is Pittsburgh is going to be a glossier, better, more refined version of the Jets.

They won't have a dependable run game. The protection will be hit and miss. They have a couple of young jets do, and now the Steelers do a couple of young offensive linemen. They're building the center is great from West Virginia, Frazier. But they're kind of figuring out what they are. They can't get the O line right. So defensively, everybody said before the season, they're going all in on this team, all in on defense.

Jalen Ramsey's been pretty good. The defense stinks. And you can't be giving away touchdowns in this lead. So it's, it's, and listen, Aaron at this point in his career, and that's why I said, dude, sit the year out, retire, or go to Minnesota. This is not a great fit for Aaron. Older quarterbacks need one or two things. Ample and consistent protection, Pittsburgh can't provide that,

and a consistent run game. Pittsburgh average three yards of rush. So, oh, by the way, Sam Darnold, Sam had a bad pick. Sam can have picks. But Sam Darnold's second week in a row, either won or was driving for the winning touchdown. So as you watched the Minnesota Vikings last night, they wanted to sign, re-sign Sam Darnold, and you're watching what's going on in Minnesota, and you're watching Seattle. Seattle's pretty good football team.

Right now, the Steelers are 29th in time per drive. And so there was a sell, oh, Aaron's going to solve the quarterback issues. They can't sustain possessions because they can't run the football. And that was an issue. Again, there's certain things Aaron does very well. He throws a beautiful back shoulder ball. He's got great velocity. He moves poorly, but for his age, adequately.

But, you know, they don't protect. They don't run the ball. And so what happens is this Pittsburgh Steeler defense, and you saw this yesterday, is on the field too long. That's what you saw against the Jets. when you can't run the football, I don't know if the right now, because remember Philadelphia had to let go of some defensive players as you start paying more and more of your star players. So Eagles had to move off players.

But the good news is they control possessions. The tush push allows the Eagles to continue drives. So time of possession in Philadelphia is usually pretty good. What does that do? Defense is always better when they're on the field less. Right now in Kansas City, you're asking yourself, Kansas City's defense, Justin Herbert aided alive. Well, Kansas City does never run game. So against Justin Herbert in the second half, that Kansas City defense is on the field too much.

So nothing makes a talented defense look worse than being on the field. So you watch the, have you noticed in the first two games for Kansas City, the defense is better in the first half than the second? Why? The Chiefs can't run the ball. So, you know, your defensive guys are on the field for 45 steps, 55 steps. They get tired. So, and so once again, the Steelers, 29th in time per drive, 30th and rushing yards for attempt. So we said, Aaron's not going to solve their issues.

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