The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Chiefs look unstoppable, Justin Herbert is elite

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

He also delivers a fresh edition of Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong — including why he nailed his prediction on Baker Mayfield’s breakout season, and admits he missed on Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers offense 3-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to discuss why Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs look unstoppable, and what makes Chargers QB Justin Herbert one of the most elite talents in the NFL todaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bit surprising considering the highly emotional series the Mariners just escaped from. Wild weekend, a college football. Is Indiana the best team in college football? Penn State fires their coach. Jay Mac, it was a, I sat in front of a TV for a lot of the weekend. It's getting to be, you know, it's crazy time. It's like you get to the point now, people are going to start getting fired with NIL in the portal. There's so much money in college football.

It would have been, you would have never considered firing a coach a year after he won 13 games because he lost three close games in a row. But that's the world we live in now. It's like, probably college football feels more pro than ever. And he was in the semifinal in overtime against the Irish. By the way, how did you go an hour without mentioning USC's romp over Michigan? What happened? Lincoln Riley's waiting for the props.

I will say they pushed Michigan around. That is what you have to. Now they have to go on the road against Notre Dame where they're like an eight-point dog and should be. I don't know if they're built to beat Notre Dame. Weather's getting a little chilly in the Midwest. But they pushed Michigan around. It wasn't that they want it.

how they won. They won in the trenches with a third string walk-on running back. King Miller was unbelievable. Here we go, Colin Wright, Colin wrong in a Monday. Where Colin was right? Well, when the Eagles started 4-0, I said they got a coaching issue. You can't tell me they're beat up and injured. A lot of teams are beat up and injured. They had a player's only meeting and AJ Brown sort of denied it. I just, I don't buy the Philadelphia Eagles. They are, they're in trouble. right now they're 28th in yards per rush, 25th in the NFL in total offense. Even when they were winning, I said this isn't going to last.

This is the drip, drip, drip, drip. And last week we saw the faucet burst. Where Colin was wrong. Firing James Franklin, I don't know. I don't get it. Apparently insiders at Penn State are saying it was untenable. but I will tell you he'd won 10 plus games in three

straight seasons. Are you telling him if he beats UCLA at the end of the game, you'd keep him? It feels very reactionary to me. Again, they're a playaway from beating Notre Dame last year. What did they finish? Fifth in the country?

But this is the world we live in. Get rid of the coach. If there's any questions, and I just don't like the way it looks. I was wrong. I would have never guess this. Where Colin was right? The Pittsburgh, oh, MVP Baker Mayfield. Yep, a couple weeks ago I said, I think he's MVP. He's never been this good. And again, players get better. Players get worse. They regress. Look what's happened to Justin Field. Baker is better

now. He was good early. He didn't play with his confidence. He's got nothing to work with. Bucky Irving, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Abuca got hurt. I said two or three weeks ago, let's not kid ourselves here. This is what an MVP looks like. And I said, Cleveland, it was a poor fit. It's a bitter fan base and an angry media poking them in the ribs. Tampa's chill, Todd Bulls, high IQ, high EQ, opening all the doors for him.

Every weekend, more and more, Baker's the MVP of this league. where Colin was wrong. Aaron Rogers and the Steelers. Four and one? Are they going to wrap this division up in four to five weeks? Aaron right now, smartly, is getting rid of the ball from snap to getting rid of the ball faster than he has in his entire career. And I got to tell you, with the size of his targets in Pittsburgh, I think it's smart.

There's no wow plays. He's not doing that. He's doing the back shoulder. He's accurate. He's completing 73%. This is an offense for the last seven years. And this is not the best Aaron. This is old Aaron.

This is an offense in the last three weeks. He's got a 112 passer rating. I know he's got an advantage. That defense is gobbling up backup quarterbacks, but it looks good to me. Where Colin was right? I said New England. Watch out. They're going to be the double the win total team in the NFL.

This will be my fourth. year in a row if I hit this. After the Raiders loss, I said, slow down. Between free agents and draft picks, they're starting like a dozen new guys. Don't freak out. When they lost to Pittsburgh, I said, let it play out. No team is starting more new bodies. Vrable's brilliant guy. Drake May's really good. And this is one of those things where not all opening losses are the same. Detroit's obviously a good team. They got housed in the first game. New England lost a the Raiders. I kept saying, don't worry. They'll figure away. They're building a culture and we were right. Where Colin was wrong. I had Dante Moore as the number one pick last week. He got out

played by Fernando Mendoza and it wasn't particularly close. Couple of picks. Mine is 27 yards rushing. Didn't see the field particularly well sacked six times. Listen, Indiana is really good. Indiana is a really good football team and really well coached. But Dante Moore, uh, It did not look great. Let's just be honest about this. It was a really, really bad game, considering the quality of the staff and the quality of Oregon talent.

This was a stinker. Where Colin was right? Well, I said the Dolphins, I don't trust the culture and the head coach. Here was Tua after losing to the L.A. Chargers. Listen to this. I think it starts with the leadership

in helping articulate that for the guys. And then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this. Are we getting that? Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up to player-only meetings late. Guys not showing up to player-only meetings. Like, there's a lot that goes into that.

It's a lot of things of that nature that we've got to get cleaned up. Yeah, it's a little late. Three picks. Had the game won. Tua basically saying is, yeah, we don't have a culture here. of accountability. Not good. Where Colin was right. Let's wrap it up with this.

The Mariners take a 1-0 lead in the American League Championship Series. I said two weeks ago, despite having the number 15 payroll, they are a more balanced, even team than the Yankees. They can defend. They have good starting pitching. Right now, opposing hitters in the playoffs

are hitting a buck 83 on Mariners pitching. Mendoza's a great closer. They can hit for power, station to station baseball. They can do whatever you want. It's a very complete team. You know, Cal Raleigh's their star. There's no question. They're not as star studded as a team like the Yankees. But the Yankees don't do a lot well outside of hit home runs. Mariners, I believe, will make the World Series and they'll face the Brewers when they get there. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong on a Monday. And let's go to Matt Hasselbeck

three pro Bulls, 18 years in the NFL, love them on a Monday. I want to start with the Dolphins, which is not the sexiest team. But when Tua calls out, out as coach. It's like, okay, what are we doing here? Like, this thing has gone sideways. What do you make? I mean, it's obviously, they're going to make big changes. They could change the GM, the coach. Let's just wrap a bow on what is wrong with Miami. Well, I thought he called out himself, really. I mean, you're the franchise quarterback, and you're saying that players don't come to players-only meetings. Like, that's an indictment on you. Like, no offense. Sometimes when you're not like an alpha personality as a quarterback,

you kind of need an alpha head coach. But if you're kind of like a soft-spoken, hey, I'm not really that guy, then I don't know if you can have a head coach that really isn't that guy either. I'm just thinking about it. Like that to me was as bad as it gets at the podium. That's not the time. It's not the place. Listen, no one likes a players-only meeting, but sometimes they need to happen.

And it's kind of a tell-the-truth Monday situation, usually, and you air it all out, and it's uncomfortable. But that was just a bad look all the way around. I'm embarrassed for him. I'm sure he regrets it. And that's a team that needs some leadership to step up. And it doesn't have to be the guy that gets to call the plays in the huddle. If it's got to be somebody else, then it's got to be somebody else.

But that was a bad look. Yeah. So, you know, I said when the Kansas City Chiefs were, you know, a couple weeks ago, we looked at him and we said, you know, folks, I don't want to hear about the Ravens injuries. It looks different. turn the sound on your TV down watch the speed they they're not letting people over the top and i watched last night and they no penalties no turnovers in one punt like you know what it felt like man you probably played on a veteran team at one point that was one of those where the

veterans are like guys we have to play our cleanest game of the season i don't know i mean do you see an i i they look different than four weeks ago but i didn't play in the sport what do you see Well, I think there's a confidence that comes with having a good offensive line. I think they feel really great about this offensive line. There's also a confidence with the teams that are still playing with their starting quarterback. And then if you're starting quarterback is one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game ever. And then you've got the best offensive play caller designer in our era in Andy Reed.

Like literally, how are you going to, like, that gives me confidence as a player. That gives me confidence as a locker room. And as a defense, like you got Mahomes over here running like speed option, like he's Vince young or something like you got to defend it all and so listen they're as they're getting healthy they get worthy back they're getting rice back you can tell that this is a team there's no panic there's no players only meetings there you know they're there three and three the sky's not falling you know they're like hey we're going we're going to go want to know this week you know probably like a game out we're good like we're absolutely good and i and i can promise you

their last week was tough they might maybe they did have to have players speak up but i don't think this is the kind of team that needs coaches to leave the room when players want to air out some stuff that they got to say. And so, like, I just think the culture is there, the continuity's been there, and you have alphas at the head coach, at the quarterback, at the tight end, at D-line, all over. Good team, good franchise, top to bottom. Yeah. So, you know, it'd be one thing if Baker Mayfield's reboot in his career was based on, like,

one coach or one coordinator. The fact is, the last two coordinators under him left to get head coaching jobs. Some quarterbacks get coordinators fired. He's getting them hired. And so I would like to give other people credit. But a lot of this is just Baker's will. Did you ever think Baker Mayfield would be this good in the NFL? I thought it was a risky first overall pick.

But no, he has an it factor. And everyone said that from the get-go. You know, they were a little concerned. It was too brash. Two Brett Fav. But no, he has exceeded, I think, every. everybody's expectations. This, I mean, his response to the MVP thing was great. We don't need to crown an MVP after week six. But listen, he'd be the guy. Like, he'd absolutely be the guy. The best

thing you can say about a quarterback is he makes the guys around him better. He's got, you know, all his, you know, exciting weapons are out. He's throwing, he threw two touchdowns yesterday to guys that was their first touchdown ever. Like, he has literally put this team on his back. The personality that he has is showing up on his team. And I believe that's contagious. I really think it's contagious and this is a team that you don't want to face. Tampa is the real deal and it's because of Baker. Yeah, and there is value in winning these close games time and time again. You can't tell me there's not some reddit. It's like a baseball team that keeps coming back and winning. I think that stuff always has a redeemable quality. Yeah, and if I could just add one other thing,

he has become such a great deep ball thrower. You know, a lot of times quarterback's this kind of played safe. His eyes are way downfield. The third level of the defense and he's like, you know what, I don't care if it's a little bit late. I'm throwing it deep down in the middle of my guys. I'm giving you a chance. And I think that's been one of the most dangerous parts about his game. So let's talk about his draft class in Sam Darnold. So I think what's impressive about Sam Darnold,

the Minnesota team he was on had a veteran left tackle and a veteran running back and a veteran wide receiver and Justin Jefferson. He goes to Seattle and it's kids. It's the second youngest offense. And we were all like, boy, JSN, is that a number one guy? explain to me, now maybe JSN's super mature, explain to me how JSN and

Darnold are this good together this quickly. You only have so much practice time. How does it look like they've been together for eight years? Well, I think they're bought into the system. I mean, this is the same system that he threw 35 touchdowns in last year. And I think there's like, with the experience

now, there's a lot of wisdom. He says, you know, he can come into JSN and be like, hey, listen, this is how, you know, Justin Jefferson did it. You know, what do you think? and Clint Kubiak is, you know, really come from that same Kyle Shanahan tree. But I think you also empower a guy when you give him the contract that they gave Sam Donald and say, hey, you're the guy. And I think he's taking ownership of that.

He's playing great football. I think on both sides of the ball, listen, Seattle's defense, this is a team that they've got length, they've got speed, they're very young, they've got a young head coach. You know, when you're given, when your defense is creating seven sacks, that's going to help your offense as well. So I don't think this is a finished product team. I mean, there's actually areas where this offense can really improve. Third down would be a great example.

They got to improve. But I think what Darnold has done such an amazing job of is under center, play action, turn your back to the defense, which marries up with the run game that they're trying to establish. And JSN, literally, I think I've been saying this for a long time, I think he's the most underrated wide receiver in the entire NFL. So a lot of people did. I didn't watch the Saints or Patriots. But I remember during camp,

Mike Vrable coming out, and it was one of those quotes that's kind of memorable. He's like, you know, Drake's got to understand. Leadership is seven days a week. It's not a great practice. You've got to be a leader seven days a week, and it was kind of like, I really like this kid, but he's young.

And I always said, I think it's so weird. You're 24 years old. You walk into a locker room with rich dudes that are 31. And it's like, all right, you're the parent. It's like, that is hard. but the last three or four weeks you tell me it looks like Drake May

is as good as any quarterback in his class he's not Jaden Daniels yet but I don't know it feels special to me no he's not Jaden Daniels but he outplayed Jaden Daniels in those joint practices when Vrabel said that and everyone was trying to crown him as better

than Jaden Daniels and Vrable was like hey in a Bill Parcell's kind of way was like hey pump the brakes but no Drake May has everyone in New England excited mostly because of the huge win at buffalo against josh allen but i what i love what he's doing and what josh m'dniel's is doing is they run so many different option routes you know think about josh daniels and all the different guys that ran option routes through you know when he was successful drake has has an experience doing that at unc he's got a great feel for digs and pop douglas and all

the different guys so i believe that's one of the harder things for quarterbacks is to really get on the same page quick with the guys on option routes the other thing that drake has done a great job is before he uses his legs to scramble, he's using the running back checkdown game. Again, a Josh McDaniels staple. So, you know, is he ready to be crowned, like, you know, the best quarterback in the AFC East, or is he the next Tom Brady?

Like, no, but the excitement is super real. And I think Vrable understands, having been teammates with Tom Brady, have been around great quarterbacks. I think Vrables, in Josh McDaniels, it's like a nice little tag team for this quarterback. And don't be surprised. I would literally do not be surprised

if the Patriots are a playoff team this year. Great call by you, Colin. Colin was right. Well, you know, get a couple of them. And by the way, I remind everybody when I hit two times a year on being right. I make sure to remind you're like a broken clock. You're like a broken clock. You're right twice a day.

Guaritate. Absolutely. So there are some guys, and I'm always kind of amazed by this quality, there are, and I saw it last year with Jaden Daniels. Some guys just see the field and some quarterbacks don't. and Herbert yesterday is under duress and he's running around. He's switching hands with the ball. He throws it out to McConkey and I'm like, some of this is innate.

I don't think you can coach some of this quarterback stuff. Herbert yesterday, three back of bow lineman, no number one receiver, number three running back. How do you view him? He's obviously physically impressive. But I just, sometimes he makes throws and I, it's just, I don't know, is it coaching? Is it scheme? what do you make of herbert well yeah you can't coach that stuff i mean you know literally those are ball control uh ball in the pocket drills escapeability drills but you need the tangibles listen

i feel like i talk about intangibles a lot with the quarterback but you also need the tangibles you get around justin herbert he's every bit of franchise quarterback i mean he he looks like drew drew bledso he moves like brett farv like he's really incredible and he does it at the at the clutch moments now here here's another guy you mentioned he's on his third ring left tackle. Will they make a trade? Until they make a trade, he's going to have to throw with great anticipation, or he's going to have to really be Superman, like you saw in this game, put the team on his back, but you're not going to be playing the Miami Dolphins every week. And so this is a situation where I think he's going to need a little bit of help. I mean,

you look at Lamar Jackson, he needed help. He's one of the games great quarterbacks. Justin Herbert's going to need help as well. Finally, Aaron Rogers and his whole career has never let go of the ball this quickly. And I'd make the argument, Pittsburgh Strange. They have three tight ends that are giants. One of them is the biggest tied end in the league, let's go left tackle. Then they have D.K. Metcalf. And this is not necessarily a throw the ball over the top team.

It is a, we've got really large six-foot-six men who are strong. Get the ball to them in matchups. Let them break some tackles. And he's getting crushed in all these analytic grading systems that he's having a bad year and I'm like, no, I kind of get it. They don't have a Xavier worthy. They don't have these lad McConkies. They have six, seven receivers and tight ends. What do you make of Aaron just spitting that thing out? Is he worried about getting sacked? Is it just that simple? He's smart. Listen, when I was starting, I think I started eight or nine games in my 40s. I got the ball out quick,

too. I wasn't like consciously trying to do it, but I think maybe there is something to like, man, I'm good. I don't need to be, I don't need to show him, John Wayne. I don't need to take these hits. No, here's what they're doing. He's getting the ball out really quick. But Arthur Smith and Aaron Rogers, they're moving the launch point. So the quarterback is almost always like seven and a half or nine and a half yards right behind the center. But not Aaron Rogers, not this year. A lot of their big plays are coming where the launch point is moving. It doesn't have to move too far. It can be in the B gap. It could be in the C gap. Maybe it's all the way outside the hash. But that's buying time within the design of the play.

And even if the defense covers it, that's where Aaron Rogers has his back shoulder throws, double moves, all the different stuff. So I think this is a really, really intentional game plan by Arthur Smith, and it might be an unintentional thing with Aaron Rogers. Like, it's all good, man. I can play point guard. I don't need to be the shooting forward.

And that's great. That's what he really probably should have been doing with the Jets. He's doing it great. This is a nice fit. I think everyone was wondering how the fit would be. But just notice the next time you watch the Steelers, where that launch point is, where he's letting the ball go from, it makes it difficult on the defense, and it protects a guy in his 40s.

I'm a fan. I think they're doing great. Yeah, it's more Chris Paul than Steph Curry. I can hit the jumper, but I'm going to get this ball out because they have some unique body types. I mean, Washington, is he six, seven and a half? I mean, they've got massive. By the way, you were, staff just said this. You were five and three as a starter in your 40s.

That's probably like three. And banged up too. And banged up. You know, that was a, you know, I do think, like, as a quarterback, sometimes you know, sometimes when you're younger, you don't know enough. But I'm sure Aaron Rogers, he knows it all. And he's like, man, I don't trust this situation. You know, we got a tight end blocking backside on the defensive end.

Like, this ball's coming out quick. Like, he's been through the fire. He's learned the. mistakes. I know that was true for me. Great seeing you, Matt, as always. Thanks. See you, Colin. All right. I love that 20 minutes with Matt Hasselbeck and right and wrong. One of my favorite 20 minutes of the week.

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Sorry, Jay McHen, he's right around the corner. Hey, just got to call it as I see it. I watched last night. That looks like a good football team. Just stop it. What about the Niners? Now, the Niners are interesting, right? Bosa, out.

Warner, out. Do you make a play to add a linebacker? Do you make a play to add a Quinn and Williams from the Jets who Sala knows well? Do you do something? because the Niners' schedule still leaves the door open for them to make a deep playoff run. And remember, the offense will have Ayuk, presumably Jennings, Pierce, Paul, Brock Purdy, like they're going to have pieces. I think the Niners are a week-to-week team.

If two of their receivers came back next week, I'd say no. I mean, with the Niners, we just watched their practice reports every week. I mean, so I think, I mean, they do have some offensive firepower coming back. But, I mean, listen, it's, and they had moments in that game, that loss was not on Mac Jones. I mean, they had their moments, but Tampa's really good right now, and they're punishing you over the top. If you have, if you try to, you bring too much heat on Baker, he'll burn you. They'll go right at you over the top. And as Matt said, Baker's thrown the best deep ball of his life. He has eight touchdown passes of 20 or more air yards. That's double the second

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oregon was a major upset your boy dante more he just his offensive line let him down i think that was the big story i didn't think he was terrible uh i thought the offensive line was total trash but the real story here is kurt signetti um this guy has hit the big ten like a comet and he talked about the difference between last year's hosiers and this year's hosures after the big win I was the way I was because I thought I needed to be taken over this program, kind of lead the charge the way I was out there a little bit. I knew that early on in December. Okay, I thought we established credibility last season.

Our team was in a good place. The most important thing to me was our mindset going into this game, that we believed, expected, prepared to make it happen, and could handle the ups and downs of the game without flinching, shown frustration and anxiety. Yeah, I mean, there's an argument. Ohio State's the best team in the country in Indiana's second. Texas A&M is pretty good, but I don't know.

That's it. I mean, last year, Ohio State won the Natty. They went to Oregon, and they couldn't pull this off. Dante Moore was on fire. I mean, they got after Dante Moore got sacked six times. And I don't think you'll leave this job to go to Penn State. Penn State right now is a bit of a hot mess. Bloomington is a great place to live.

It's one of the best college towns. Bloomington. Have you been there? I've never been there. Oh, yeah. Great, top 10 college town. It's a great place. Middle of the country.

You know, weather's not ideal. It's not ideal in Penn State. Certainly not. If you've got the NIL money, his staff is being well compensated. And by the way, Indiana, again, now that they're winning, well, watch what this Oregon win does for recruiting. Watch what it does. You may find another couple million bucks in the NIL off a win like this.

Well, first of all, sorry to back up a little, Miami Hurricanes, you forgot about them. They're certainly one of the top. They're very good. But Indiana is right there, knock it on the door. I do need to ask you, if you're the Hoosiers and you see all these coaches getting run around the country, Oregon State fired their coach. I mean, we're in early October, Colin. I wonder, do you go to Signetti and say, hey, bro, we know the big boys are coming after you.

We want to lock you up. We want to go from $8 million a year to, I don't know, what do they boost them, to 12? I mean, Colin, in two years, he's made Indiana football relevant. I couldn't tell you one Indiana player, you know, five, ten years ago, could you? I mean, I don't remember when they were good at football. You know, again, Indiana's in the Big Ten. Penn State's in the Big Ten. Now, Penn State has more history.

Probably has a little bit more money. They got a huge Adidas deal. Yeah. But I don't know. I think, I mean, he's in his 50s. He may not want to bounce around anymore. You know what I mean? He's 64.

He's getting off. there and he was 64 years old. You know I graduated from JMU. He was at JMU and then left for Indiana and brought a ton of his players. Yeah. So it's like Belichick's just grabbing guys in the portal. Signetti got specific guys his own that fit his system. So it was a seamless transition. I think he's going to listen we got a Michigan guy on staff who's like, listen I would take him in a heartbeat over Sharon Moore who is he was the interim guy. Remember you with your whole interim thing. You know, Harbaugh kind of handpicked him. I don't know if Sharon Moore is long for Michigan. Does Signetti get a bite from the Wolverines? The dude is killing it right now.

We'd agree on that, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, winning at Otson just doesn't happen. People don't go there and win. Ohio State couldn't go there and win. It's one of the loudest places. I don't know. I don't know if I would, I don't think I'd move. I don't want to go into that Penn State mess. I don't know. By the way, you remember last week, I told you the biggest college football better I know was on Indiana plus 7. And I was reluctant. I did pull the trigger. But some people out there know, I did not think that game was going to be close, Colin.

That was one of the biggest surprises of the season because we know Oregon's good. Well, because USC throttling Michigan was not a surprise. It should be known. All right. Let's move on, Colin, to your boy, Baker Mayfield. Man, Tampa Bay, five and one, looking like a legit contender in the NFC. one of my favorite plays was after this Baker scrambled, just elusive stuff, almost like a page out of Justin Herbert's book.

He throws a bomb touchdown to Tess Johnson, young fella, who catches it like a fingertip touchdown catch. It was just spectacular. He was in Oregon kid. Then he, Tess flipped. And after the game, he was like, I heard MVP chance. And then a teammate woke him up and was like, bro, it's not about you. Baker, this city has rallied around you.

This fan base loves you when you had that at a big run. and the chance MVP start reading it to make you feel it's week six so got got a big one next week so it's it's awesome to have the support don't get me wrong but um we're uh we're just getting started I'm mature Baker Mayfield he's a different dude now remember what he used to say he doesn't like that he doesn't like when you say it no no he's different you Colin he used to favorite my tweets when he was coming out of Oklahoma where I was like I don't know if this guy's going to make it as a pro He would, it wasn't like his team either. That was him.

He would, he would look on social media and exact revenge on those people. He's grown up a lot. Now, I will just point out, you know, when you have a good weekend, you start looking at the card, Buckset Lions this week. Tampa Bay riding high, they might be number one in the herd hierarchy. Detroit? You feel in the Lions? Detroit's not going to have their safety branch.

Probably. Baker lives on the deep ball. Yes. You taking Tampa, huh? Just a heads up. I'm not betting against Baker right now. He is on a, he is on a Cal Raleigh street. I'm not betting against him.

Smart. I've lost some money betting against Baker this season. Final story, Colin, let's move to your other favorite quarterback, Sammy D. Slinging Sammy Darnold. I think I texted you yesterday on the JSN touchdown. I mean, look at this strike. In stride. I mean, Donald is clicking on all cylinders.

Here's Sam Darnold after dispatching the Jags 20 to 12. Last year, they never played us in single high safety, which I'm not sure I've ever seen in a game before. And, you know, they kind of took advantage of me being a little greedy out there. And I told myself I was going to, you know, take what they give me. And if they give me a checkdown, I'm going to take it today. A great team. And, you know, we're really excited about, you know, kind of where we're at as a team and, you know, the result of this one. Yeah, Seattle is, they got some dudes.

And they're a young team, Green Bay kind of young team. Sometimes they're not. I mean, they should have closed this game down about an hour before they did. Right. But it was my second favorite bet of the week. My first is tonight, Washington. But I see Jacksonville, 10 penalties, turnovers. I mean, Jacksonville, coming off that Kansas City win, you knew they were going to step back.

You knew they wouldn't be able to handle. It's not about how do you handle losing. It's how do you handle success in Jacksonville, did not play particular. well. So you love Seattle. You tried to talk me into it. And I said three guys in the secondary are down. I can't do it. I'm an idiot for that. Let me just point out that one of the craziest stats I saw from Sunday, the Seattle Seahawks had 17 quarterback hits. 17, Colin, that's more than Justin Fields got hit and he was sack nine times. So I don't know what happened with the Jags offensive line, but if Seattle's D-line plays like that and they get their

guys in the secondary back, you know, we got three teams that are four and two in the NFC West. I mean, we would agree San Fran is a little behind due to the injuries. Yes. We think the Rams, now Puka, it sounds like he's going to miss this week in London. So I think the Rams take maybe a step. Is Seattle going to win the division? And Cowherd's going to have called another one in the offseason, right? Seattle is young.

And the good news about being young is when you get banged up, players get healthy faster. So it's all I know, I always use to turn the audio down when you walk. watch a game. Kansas City looks fast. Kansas City just looks and Seattle looks too good not to be a playoff team. They look fast. They get after it. Like them. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Well, it's official. We have a worst coach team in the league. There is nothing, nothing the Jets do well. And we'll talk about that. The Hurd-Lie. live in Chicago today.

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Yes. I'm not even going to give away. I mean, what was I this week? I forgot. Four and no? Keep your eye on that Colts line. Very interesting. So a couple years ago, I said this.

NBA players, especially stars, have often spoken out against their coaches. Like, you don't do that in the NFL. But I got two or two or three times kind of calling out Mike McDaniel. And I'll get to it in a second. But a member of the Jets called out Aaron, Glenn, the coach. So what I saw yesterday was, bewildering how bad it was. Before half, the Jets tried a fake punt.

Risky, given the situation. They convert it. And the next play, they run. Like, what are you doing? If you're going to risk that, then go into the two-minute offense. What are you doing? And then, you know, Justin Fields, it just doesn't make any sense. They have him, Justin Fields in the second half, something happened.

He would not let go with the ball. And there were times he had ample time to throw. So Garrett Wilson confronts the coach on the sideline on going for it on the fake punt. And then the first play is a running play. Like, dude, two minute offense, let's go. Kurt Warner couldn't figure it out. You know, the announcers are bewildered. And Garrett Wilson, after the game, was upfront about it.

I just didn't know exactly what the plan was. and once I figured it out, you know, I was disappointed. I'll just say that. Once we, you know, converted the forkedown, I just thought we were going further, you know, trying to make the play. And then obviously we get to another fourth town, and it's a tough spot to be in. So, you know, in hindsight, I get why they did that.

But in the moment, I was just like, man, I don't know. Yeah, no, it's... So, organizationally, think about this. So you pay $40 million, $30 million guaranteed, to Justin Fee. Fields, who's athletic, but he's regressed badly. That's on the Jets. I mean, Aaron Rogers leaves the Jets.

Look at the year he's having. Justin Fields had a pretty good six-game stretch. Goes to the Jets. Look what's happened to him. This is the Sam Darnold thing. We can keep blaming the players, but Sam Darnold is a top 10 quarterback in the league now. He looked like he was a bust in New York. Aaron Rogers looked old in New York.

He actually looks good. Justin Fields, I said, four and two in Pittsburgh. He looked pretty good. good. They moved into the bench. Jets were like, okay, we'll pay for it. Everybody stinks in New York. They can't get the GM right. They can't get the trades right. They can't get the players right. So I can keep blaming the quarterback. But, I mean, I would have gone to Tyrod Taylor in the second half. I would have kicked a field goal to win it. But Justin Fields last year did not look like that. Sam Darnold, watch him now. It didn't look like that. This is an organizational hazmat spill.

This is the worst team. Tennessee, I think, has a worse roster. The Jets are the worst team. And so what do you do? Do you fire the coach? Well, it's got a very Freddie Kitchens feel to it where it just doesn't feel like some guys are great position coaches. Some guys are great coordinators. Not all vice presidents can run the country.

A lot of people are VPs. Not all VPs can run the company. That's okay. VP is a great gig. But nothing works for me. The explanations don't work. Eric Wilson calling him out. The good news is

there's a couple interesting quarterbacks who are going to be available. Dante Moore had a bad weekend. I still think he's really special. But, you know, it's funny. Bruce Feldman's going to stop by next hour and Albert Breer.

The trading deadline is coming up. If I'm the jet, the Jets need a quarterback, but my question is after watching Justin Fields. What if they get one with this staff? With this organization. Will it matter? I mean, honestly, you're watching Darnold. I'm watching him. Look what Carolina did the Baker

Mayfield and Darnold. So some of these organizations in this sport, they're just not equipped to handle a quarterback. They don't know what they're doing. I mean, it's funny. Baker Mayfield can go to the Rams and Sean McVey and have one practice and then engineer a game-winning drive. Josh Dobbs goes, I think, from Arizona to the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell. No practices. throws for 300 yards. I mean, the jets are just not equipped, regardless of who the coach is.

Could be Adam Gase, it's Aaron. They are not equipped to bring along a young quarterback that needs somebody to put their arms around him. They can't do it. The organization's not equipped to do it. So here's the NFL schedule coming up this weekend. Tonight, I'm going to take Washington over Chicago. I'll take Buffalo off a lost in New England over Atlanta. That's an easy one.

I would say this when you look at this schedule. Yesterday, everybody thought Denver was going to blow out the jets. Be very wary of the games that look like blowouts. We all thought Harbaugh was going to flex against Miami. He was furious. This is the time of the year when teams start getting banged up. The weather's going to cool down. Quarterback play is going to be different.

I live in a part of the country now. It's getting cold. And the jackets are out. So all this seven-on-seven summer football is over. Can I spend a second on the Bears tonight, Jay Mack? Because I think it's a fascinating game. Sure. Bears Washington tonight.

So I like Washington for two reasons. Number one, the Bears have not shown an ability to win on the road over the last several years. Here's the second thing. To win on the road, one of the things that's essential in winning on the road is what does your defense do, as they say, defense travels well? The bears give up the most yards per play in the NFL. Now, think about that. So if you give up the most yards per play, what happens? Caleb Williams on the bench watching, getting out of rhythm.

What have the bears struggled with? Getting rhythm offensively. It's why I like Washington. Okay, breaking news. The Titans just announced that Brian Callahan has been fired. Wow. Oh, my. Ahead of the Vrable Reve.

revenge game this week. Patriots at Titans, Vrabel Revenge Spot. That lines up to seven. Wow, Callahan Toast, so now you've got to find somebody to fit Cam Ward strengths, huh? Well, the game yesterday, we know the Raiders aren't great, was not competitive. Yeah. So obviously the players, so James Franklin fired yesterday. Ryan Callahan, he's, well, if you're the Titans, Colin, you're getting ahead of the Jets and whoever else may fire the coach, you could hit the ground running with who you want to go after. I'll just say this, you're going to want an offensive coach, obviously. Now, Callahan was, but you've got a young quarterback.

You don't want to go hire a defensive guy, do you? I can't imagine that. I watched it yesterday. They're last in total offense, last on third down, and he's an offensive coach. I mean, they were down Ridley, but I don't think it mattered. You're right. It just doesn't look aesthetically pleasing or, you know, remotely good. How about Kurt Signetti?

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