The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, Eagles finally using A.J. Brown, Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Colin tells you why he was wrong about the Packers following their loss to the Browns and right about Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh as they improve to 3-0 on the season. Plus, 3-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to analyze what's wrong with the Kansas City Chiefs offense and how the Philadelphia Eagles finally unlocked A.J. Brown in Week 3See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is a Monday. I think this is going to be our best hour. It's live. It's Chicago. It's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be watching or listening, we always appreciate you making part of your day with us. J-Mack, it was the craziest day I can remember. There were some really, I mean, Green Bay Cleveland was about as ugly as football gets.

It was a rock fight. San Francisco, Arizona. Tampa Jets was a blowout, then it wasn't. There is so much to talk about Matt Hasselbeck's about four minutes out. It was not a great day for either one of us with our picks. I think we both have the Ravens tonight. We do. I need to hear a little more positivity for Jalen Hertz.

You know how there's the magnificent seven stocks, right? Yeah. The tech stocks? There needs to be a super six for quarterbacks because I think Herbert and Hertz have played their way in, Colin. Come on. They've been spectacular. Maybe Baker Mayfield.

Oh. Yeah. So on a Monday, Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin was right? Jim Harbaugh. World's best football coach, 3 and O, pulling away in the AFC West. The Chargers were on a short week. They fumbled the opening kickoff.

They lost Naji Harris. Khalil Max not playing. But Harbaugh has, in his career, found ways to win ugly games. And you've got to give this team credit. Quentin Johnson looked like a bust at wide receiver. Harbaugh's like, nope, we're going to feed him the ball. We're going to throw it to him half a dozen times deep. and the Chargers win a game because they have the greatest football coach of all time.

Where Colin was wrong. The Packers led 10-0-0-0-4 and still lost to Cleveland. They were my number one team in the league. What was weird is they had extra time to prep because they played on Thursday night football, and the offense was still disjointed. Jordan Love got hit hard too many times. They just didn't have a lot of energy. They came out flat, and it's the national.

Football League. Jordan Love didn't have a lot of time. They didn't get a touchdown until the late third quarter. I thought this was a team without a major flaw, and maybe it's just energy because they lacked it against Cleveland on the road. Where Colin was right. I've said this about Kyle Shanahan. I predicted the Niners would have a lot of injuries,

and I've said before, Kyle is the great quarterback whisperer. Mack Jones is not only 2-0. They're asking him to throw as much as Justin Herbert. The dude has 80 pass attempts and two starts with a wide receiver core that's all banged up. George Kittle banged up. You can say what you want about Kyle Shanahan hasn't won the big game. Shanahan with quarterbacks, the league had given up on Mac Jones, had given up. And that guy's out there spinning it.

And 2 and 0, credit the Shanahan. Where Colin was wrong. I have defended CJ Stroud for two years. years, he's 29th in passer rating dating back to last year. Now, I know the offensive line's not great, but right now either as the Chargers. I pick the Texans to win the AFC South. They can't pick up first downs. They can't run it. Protection's not great. Right now, CJ's got more picks than touchdowns, averaging 200 yards a game, and Domingo Ryan's. I worry about this because I've said this for years. There's something about defensive head coaches

and bad old lines. Last two years, they can't get the O line right. I keep defending him and I am wrong. Where Colin was right. I said Friday, Carson Wentz today, now is better than J.J. McCarthy. He may not be in six weeks. Yes, the Vikings defense was great. But I said on Friday's show, oh, he'll win and he'll be great.

J.J. McCarthy looked overwhelmed. Carson Wentz has 130 passer rating yesterday, 70% completion rate in total control. The reason I like Carson Wence is look at the coaches who like him. Kevin O'Connell liked him. Sean McVeigh liked him. He keeps bouncing around to smart offensive coaches. Carson Wence was reckless, got banged up, but I will defend him. I think he's honestly one of the most talented backup quarterbacks.

In fact, easily in the National Football League and yesterday, you can win a bunch of games with Carson Wince and that staff, those weapons in Brian Florence. where Colin was wrong. I gave up on Daniel Jones. Forget Danny Dimes. He's Danny Dollars. He is dealing it, baby. Now he's got a good old line and nice weapons, but he made plays yesterday.

Is he the next Baker? Is he the next Sam Darnold? I say, give me a break. He's throwing the ball downfield. This is not thinking dunk. Danny Dollars was six and nine, 10 plus yards down the field. This isn't a mirage.

He's not fooling anybody. He's making big, boy NFL throws. Indy had their first punt all season. So, I mean, he's playing with confidence? Well, he's got Shane Steichen. Shane Steichen ain't making the throws. He is making big boy downfield throws, and I'm wrong. Where Colin was right? Jaden Mayabba, USC. Is anybody paying attention? Nine TDs, no pick, 71% completion percentage. I don't want to hear about their schedule. For all the people that doubt Lincoln Riley, this kid last year was reckless and out of control. He looks unbelievable.

They were missing their first or second best wide receiver. They lead the nation in yards per play. They're a touchdown favorite at Illinois. This kid has cleaned up his entire game. Again, last year he was young, he was reckless. He kind of played out of control. I didn't think he was very good between the hash marks. He is making big-time throws and great decisions.

Where Colin was wrong. Coming out of Ohio State, I thought Marvin Harrison was can't miss. more like can't catch. Is he a bust? Honestly, I don't know what's happened. He's not separating. They don't target him. Ten catches, three games.

I don't know what it was. I thought he was a guaranteed stud. I just thought physically he would be a mismatch, but lost confidence. They don't target him. I mean, he was drafted above like Romo Dundze and neighbors. And I don't see it, like, at all. where Colin was wrong.

Cade Clubnick, Ken Clemson quarterback. What happened? Clemson's got NFL guys. They're 113th in FCFs in scoring offense. I thought he could be a top two or three quarterback drafted. Clemson's 0 and 2 in the ACC and they haven't played Miami yet. They're 1 in 3 overall, fell into a deep hole against Syracuse. I watched this entire game.

I don't know what the problem is. Maybe they should have gone to the transfer portal. Clemson refuses to do the NIL, holding the ball too long. I mean, I have no idea. It's total regression, lower completion percentage, more interceptions, fewer yards per game. Nothing looks right. I had a lot of wrongs this week. I got to own them.

I had a lot of wrongs yesterday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck stops by 18 years in the NFL. Man, I was wrong a lot. Oh, I was wrong. when you admit when you were wrong. It's just I love the humility. I don't have it often, but boy, I'm bringing my fastball today.

I will say this. Listen, I know it's the Dallas defense, but here's what I did like. There's a lot of people that need to eat there. They've got Luther Burden and Roman Duns and DJ Moore and two tight ends. And I did think there was a rhythm

mat to the offense. I thought they had a couple drives where it was like the screen game, the run game. They played the Clockwell. I did sense a rhythm, or is that just Dallas's bad defense? It's both, but it was clearly, yeah, rhythm, timing, accuracy,

no sacks is huge, good pass protection. This was easily Caleb Williams' best game as a pro, easily. It was fun to watch. If you're a Bears fan, you're like, oh, shoot, this is sick. Like, this is what we could be. Ben Johnson, I mean, he is, like, you see why he was so good in this division,

going up against guys like Matt Eberflus. Like, he knew the division. I think there is something nice about game planning people that you actually know, like you know them as well as they know themselves. You know what they're never going to change, where they're never going to change. But I just thought it was incredible. You know, and, you know, just, you know,

Caleb obviously deserves his credit. He did a really nice job. But guy, it really wasn't a lot of contested touchdowns. Like, guys were wide open. Like, I don't have like a next gen stats kind of thing on it. But like, usually touchdown passes are hard to come by. You know, usually guys end up on the ground a lot of times. These were stand-up, nobody near me type touchdowns.

It was an impressive, impressive win for Chicago, and equally is embarrassing for Dallas. Like if you're Dallas, you're feeling pretty good last week, and now you're kind of like, who the heck are we? Like, this is embarrassing. I want to know, though, do players look at it and think the Bears, I mean, like the Bear players today, is it self-belief in that locker room,

or is there a sense Dallas is bad? Like, were you ever on a team that what you were, struggling to find your footing, you beat a really bad team. How does that usually translate the following week? Because they have the very average Raiders coming up. Yeah, it's two things. Number one, never apologize for a win. Never. Like we would say that in every locker room ever. Like it would just be like, never apologize. I don't care how bad they were, how much disarray they're in. It's really hard to get a win. Like we put our heart and soul into this thing. We're going to celebrate it on a Sunday. But now here's the thing. Win or lose, that game

plan, that celebration, all of that, that has to just kind of evaporate and go away. It's like it never happened. You know, maybe there's a feel-good feeling. I think the hard thing after a win is you've got to correct the things that need to be corrected. Sometimes in a loss, you know, you look at everything under a magnifying glass and you're like, okay, we've got to get a little bit better in the details here. After a win, sometimes you sweep things under the rug in terms of like technique or, hey, we got our way with one here. And you don't necessarily improve as the season's going on. So I think they'll be fine. Ben Johnson seems like a little bit of a workaholic, and I don't think he's going to let him off the hook that way. But I think a game like that

for Chicago, with the scrutiny that their quarterback has been under, is going to give some confidence to a team that needs a little bit of confidence. One of the things that I don't think we talk about in the media enough, and I don't think fans realize it, is that even practice is hard in football. You know, basketball practice, you get a good sweat, baseball practice, you're in the cage, football practice, you tackle and get hurt, and the weather's often awful. So in the NFL, just even when you don't get sacked, but you get hit, and you get hit like Justin Herbert 14 times and pressured 55 times. I'm watching Herbert yesterday, and I'm like, I hope people realize what it is like to play in a game.

forget just the sacks where you're getting hammered 14 or 15 times i think if if harbaw could go to a lab and build a quarterback it would be justin herbert i mean i when i watched him yesterday i'm like do people understand how often he's getting hit yeah and i think he would build andrew luck and i think jordan has all those qualities that andrew luck had you know you i think of when i think of harbaugh i think of what he did at stanford and it wasn't a past first offense there either You know, it was a hard-nosed physical inside the tackles running team. And that's, I think, the identity that he came in with last year. And everyone said, oh, you're not using Justin Herbert enough.

He's not throwing the ball enough. And Harbaugh basically said, listen, I'm going to get the best of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all-world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it. I mean, listen, I'm old enough to remember when this dude was playing with like broken fingers and all the broken ribs and all these types of things, down two scores in the fourth quarter still in the game. That's not a recipe for a long career. It's not a recipe for playing great in the playoffs.

I think Harbaugh has the vision for what Herbert can be and everyone's buying in. Everyone's buying in. I think the opponent is starting to buy in a little bit too. Like, oh, shoot, man, this guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. you know, even when we call the perfect play defensively, he goes above the X's and O's and makes stuff happen. And I think that, you know, protecting him a little bit is a way to unleash him.

And I think Harbaugh's done a great job of it. You know, I don't know what happened at halftime because you guys only have 15 minutes, and a couple of those minutes are burned off. I think it's 13, yeah, it's 13 minutes depending on the stadium. So Philadelphia, trails 26-7, they have minus 1 yards passing. They go in for their 13 quick minutes as they're drinking Gatorade and having orange

slices. They come out and the offense is totally reborn. What did Philadelphia, in your opinion, do at halftime to literally rework the entire game plan? Yeah, one of the biggest things you do at halftime is you use the bathroom. Sometimes you got to hold it and like it's tough. You feel a lot better in the second half. That's a fun fact in case you wanted to know. But I think the other thing that can happen is you get a consensus. You have a short meeting. It's very quick.

And sometimes it can be got that big like, you know, Waffle House call sheet looking like thing. And you say, hey, we got to get AJ the ball. They're leaving AJ one-on-one backside of three-by-one formations, meaning three eligible receivers on one side. Our ex-receiver, our AJ Brown is by himself backside. We've got to give him opportunities. That's what I saw. I saw a team that came in at halftime and said, hey, AJ needs to be a part of this.

and we've seen kind of divo receivers like flip out on the sidelines and that kind of thing over the years. I don't think that's what we've seen out of AJ this year. He's kind of had a good, been in a good mental state, he's been doing a great job blocking, and I think that's the better way to handle it

as a talented receiver coming at halftime be like, hey, I got my guy. These guys cannot hold me one-on-one. And that's what I saw. And when AJ Brown is cooking, when AJ Brown's getting opportunities, the Philly offense unlocks. And, you know, the poise

and the demeanor of Jalen Hertz is awesome. But A.J. Brown, to me, is the difference maker in a big way for that scheme. So I picked the Seahawks to be one of my surprise teams. I love the NFL draft. I thought they had their third straight, excellent draft. But I also love how they're using Sam Darnold. Everybody's like, is J.S.N. and number one, I'm like, yeah, it looks like to me. And they got this kid, this fifth round kid out of Colorado State.

He looks like he's a big-time. player. But I don't know. I just, I watched the speed. I watched the velocity. I mean, that first half yesterday against the Saints, Matt, it looked like a pro team and a really good college team. Like it was, you don't see that in the NFL very much, where Seattle had the ball seven minutes and led 38 to six. I think the Seattle thing, I mean, they blew the Steelers out in Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh's now got a winning record. What do you make of how they're using Donald? Well, I think it was a swing and a miss week one. You know, week one, they played the Niners and they got away from what they wanted to be.

They became this like drop back shotgun team without a fullback. And I think Mike McDonald did a good job of kind of correcting the market a little bit going into week two. No, no, no, no. That's not the vision. Here's the vision. I want to be a downhill play action team. I want to be under center more.

I want to move the pocket. I want to have a fullback in the game. That's what I want to be. And here's how it fits with our offense and our special teams and our defense. And I think message was heard loud and clear. is one of the best offenses the last two weeks. Yesterday was, like you said, it was Big Brother, Little Brother,

scoring on special teams. But, you know, really, when you look at the past protection around Sam Darnold, I think that's the key for him. And JSN is one of the game's best receivers that people don't talk about, don't know about. He kind of had a little bit of a flu game yesterday where he came out and, you know,

looked like Michael Jordan at times. But when offensive linemen get to fire out and play run action, at least half the time, It helps everything. And I think that's the thing that some people do well. Some people talk about it, but don't do it as well. Seattle, I would say week two and week three, they've figured that out. And so, you know, if you can continue that,

I think that Sam Darnold can have the kind of year that he had last year without Kevin O'Connell, without Justin Jefferson. He's playing really, really good football right now. So I do think worthy and Rishi Rice would help, But I tend to believe offenses are about the play designer, the quarterback, and the offensive line. And an offensive line can take an average back and make him a B plus back. I look at Kansas City. And I don't care if the receivers come back.

They can't run the ball. The pass protection. I don't think Mahomes always trusts it. I think we have to be honest about what Kansas City is right now. Offensively, I mean, they're like 20 second in time of possession. I don't think they're going to be a very good offense. I think they'll get slightly better. But, I mean, with Mahomes and Reid, they can't pick up first downs.

I mean, do you think the two new receivers, or the two receivers coming back will make a huge difference? Yeah, I think it'd be a big difference. But, you know, Kansas City almost feels like this team to me that they're almost like just, like, bored right now. It's almost like, yeah, we're just going to kind of like, like an NBA team that's just like, yeah, we'll wait to the playoffs to play our best football. You know, like, that's almost the mindset. Not that they're not trying. I know that they're trying, but they just seem out of sync. I think they're not, like we talked about all those things earlier about playing on rhythm and spreading the ball around and like putting, helping out the guys around you in terms of offensive line.

They're just doing what they always did and they're less talented than they used to be. You know, injuries are a thing. Age is a thing. You know, maybe some of, maybe like people have like figured them out and study them a little bit. So they maybe need to get a little refresher. And sometimes they can be their own worst enemy, like just getting too cute at times. but no i think this is a team that'll be relevant at the end of the year they just might not get to play it at arrowhead that's all you know they might be a road team the entire playoffs and again i think they're they're just one of those teams that they would be fine with it they're resilient that way

and uh i also would not be surprised to see them being active at the trade deadline yeah no i think there's a i think the rams need a corner if they want to be you know i mean i think there's some teams that just need things and you can't solve them in in your own camp finally there's a Yeah, there's a, you know, I'm watching the Tyree Kill situation very closely because if that team gets really bad, you know, would that make sense? Would Tyree Kill going back to Kansas City ever be a thing? I'm curious about that. That would change what that offense would look like right away. Finally, I want to go back to Josh Allen. I said this last week that I always thought there were things you could change about a quarterback. You can't change their size, but you can't change certain traits.

And I always said, man, you find these reckless quarterbacks, reckless early, reckless late. Like, that's DNA. That's some guys are just to just play with a chip. They play a little loose. Like Jay Cutler was like, oh, it was to me like big time talent. He was going to throw bad picks. Philip Rivers did that. And Josh Allen has literally eliminated like his flaw.

And I don't know who to give credit for, but the fact that his last 12 games he's got 30 touchdowns and one pick. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. What do you make of it? He's incredible. I mean, every single year, at the end of the year, you could point to this is the thing that he's improved on. I think that he deserves a lot of credit, but I think the coaches as well. Like, he was reckless with his body and reckless with the ball at the beginning of his career. Then he became just reckless with his body and less reckless with the ball. Now I don't think he's reckless at all hardly. And I think what they've done is they've said, okay, you want to be crazy, you know, with your scrambles and all this kind of stuff,

let's do some design quarterback runs. Let's run, you know, like we're faking it to the running back, but you're actually reading it, and then let's run counter, pulling the guard, pulling the tackle, and it's quarterback run game. It's a lot of college run game,

but it's almost like they're saying, hey, you get your six, seven, eight yards, and get down. Or at least, like, as a quarterback, I know this from personal experience. When you know the hits coming, it's not nearly as bad. It's when you don't know that it's coming,

that that's kind of where, can happen. So I think there's like a little bit more design and a little bit more structure to him as a as sort of like being reckless, quote unquote. Like it's almost like the illusion of reckless, but it's really within the play design. And I feel, I just think he's been he's been awesome. Teammates love him. The stadium loves him. You know, all those things. I think the opponent fears him. I think it's really cool to see. You know, he is definitely on the Mount Rushmore on the podium, whatever you want to say with the top back's in the game right now. Good stuff.

As always, Matt Hasselbeck, my friend. Thanks on a Monday for stopping by. See you, Colin. Yeah, it's it was the nuttiest day. All week, J. Mack kept telling me, Atlanta looks tasty. And I said,

J. Mack, I can show you receipts of 30 years betting the Falcons. But there were some genuine surprises. I mean, Green Bay with extra prep to lose at Cleveland is a jaw dropper. And and the box, almost squandering a lead. 23 to 6 lead.

At home with Baker, I mean, we had one major upset. We almost had four other ones. Major. Colin, let me give you the list of quarterbacks who threw for under 200 yards yesterday. Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Bo Nix, Aaron Rogers. Bryce Young threw for 121 yards and 1.30 to nothing. Yesterday was crazy. Nothing's making sense.

How is Stafford held to 200 yards? I don't really understand. What's interesting is, I mean, they came, they had a chance to seal that game. Puka dropped the touchdown. It wasn't easy. No, no, not easy. But he dropped that, and then you're thinking, okay, they'll get a field goal, and it got blocked. And that was the game.

Like, if you're on the road against Philadelphia, you've got to make one of those two. You either got to make the field goal or you've got to catch the touchdown. And when they miss both, I was like, oh, Okay. Okay. You cannot do that against Philadelphia because Philadelphia in the second half. I mean, you saw it. They just decided we're going to go to A.J. Brown. And the Rams don't have the personnel to stop that. So do you still trade A.J. Brown if you're the Eagles or do you just hold on to them? What's the move here? I pulled that take over to a rest area. I'm going to get a Dunkin' Donuts. We'll wait a little bit on that. That's good.

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That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tomorrow we give you the herd hierarchy. I'm going to sneak your bears in there.

Come on. Okay, a little optimistic. You know, I mean, just I try to be positive on a Monday. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I think the audience is going to be rooting for the Colts to be ahead of the chiefs and the herd hierarchy.

Let's start with those fumbling, bumbling, Kansas City Chiefs, Colin. Hey, look at this drama. Andy Reed and Travis Kelsey, little chest bump, a little shut your mouth, little, I don't know what's going on here. I didn't think it was anything. I thought it was kind of Reed pumping his guys up. But then if you look at that angle, Colin Reed is actually hot. Yeah.

He's very heated. Here's Andy downplaying, of course, the interaction. I love Travis's passion, man. So I'm okay with that. We didn't have enough of it that second quarter. Well, you know, it wasn't where we needed to be. So within reason, you know, he knows. He knows when to back off the pedal and knows when to push it too.

So that's the part I love about him. The guy's all in. Just sometimes I have to be the policeman. You know, Steve Kerr and Draymond Green, when they were in the middle of that dynasty, there were locker room collisions. Like I think this is, I mean, Brady and Josh McDaniel, this is the one thing I'm going to say. You get, when you have a great team and you've won titles, the intensity and the pressure to win again all eyes on you, like this stuff doesn't bother. Peyton Manning in his prime and Jeff Saturday going at it.

It's like, no, that's the way it works. When you're a bad team, you're not as all in and that you have less like, like, I mean, these guys are playing for legacies and titles. Kelsey, this could be his last year. Andy Reed, he's not going to be coaching in seven years. So whenever I see great teams as they age and they have these dust-ups, like sometimes as dynasties age, what you lose is juice. And I think Andy Reid said we just did not bring the juice in the first half. That's fair.

They also had one of these in the Super Bowl on the sideline. So that's two in the last four games. By the way, here's Travis Kelsey's season numbers. 10 catches, 134 yards in a touchdown. That's like a Trey McBride Sunday. Okay. Travis Kelsey's season has 10 catches, Colin. I think, well, I think it's fair to say

Travis is going to have great game. Like Baltimore next week, he'll be ready to go. Oh, really? Okay, yeah, he's going to. Okay, all right. No, I'm not saying he's going to, but I'm saying he's at the point in his career where he picks his spots a little bit.

That's not ideal, but I think he is, he is, I don't think. Maybe he picked this last night as a spot to light up the Giants, and he had four catches for 26. yards. Colin, again, I know Chiefs fans thinks I'm just being a hater. If you watch them, this is not the same Chiefs team from two, three years ago. It's just not.

No. They are not. They're not good. They can't run the ball at all. Cannot, yeah. Let's go to the Cowboys, Colin. Listen, I don't know what on earth Jerry Jones is talking about. I guess he felt like neglected and people weren't talking about him. So now he said something silly again. Jerry Jones, after the loss

to the Bears, where they looked terrible, He still believes his team is playoff caliber. Is this a playoff caliber team? The Cowboys? I will tell you, yes, yes. And that's because you saw number four out there today. And you saw what I think we're capable of doing in a running game and that type of deal. So, yes, I fully do.

Now, we've got to, as we evolve toward the playoffs, we've got to get better defensively. I will say this. CD Lamb gets hurt. This is a very top-heavy roster. You take out Micah, the defense is worse. When they took out CD-Lam, you've got Turpin and Tolbert. Pickens does not separate. He's just hard to bring down.

You've got solid tight ends. Dak Prescott wanted to throw the ball down the field. You could see him. He was getting time to throw when he was patting the ball. Dak is not a dink and dung guy. Dak was trying to throw the ball down the field. Jason, when C.D. Lam was out. nobody is open.

Nobody, Dak had time, he was, he, Dak wanted to throw down field. And there, Pickens is a great after the catch, hard to bring down guy.

But he doesn't separate like CD Lam. He's not that guy. And so I think what happens is, basically yesterday, no Micah, no Cidlam, and it's a bunch of B players and C players. Those guys are A's. You take them out.

There is a major drop off off. Javante Williams has been nice. Dak is very good, but DAC was limited. There's just nobody to throw to that gets open. Look how open the Bears receivers were. Look how open the Cowboys were when C.D. Lamb got hurt. Not good. You know, since my car got repossessed from losing bets on the Titans and Falcons,

I may have to just put everything I've got. Everything. Maybe you can front me my salary on the Packers this week against the Cowboys. If C.D. Lamb is out there getting destroyed. And I think they lose anyway. I think Jordan Love is going to do what. Caleb did and what Russell Wilson did, and he's going to like this defense up in Cowboys Stadium. Do you think Cowboys season over a one and three, right?

Well, I just, I mean, I think we both said this. One of the reasons they moved off the Micah Parsons contract is they just did not want to be top heavy. So now they have four first round picks in the next two drafts. And those could become because they don't need a quarterback. So Jason, that's a great place to be in. We got two first round picks. I mean, the Rams are going to take their two firsts and probably get a quarterback.

Same with Cleveland. Dallas has two firsts, and they don't need a quarterback. Oh, okay. That's incredible leverage. So what Dallas needed to do was, listen, this is going to be bad for a year. He's going to go to Green Bay and be great. We're going to look like idiots. Just wait until April.

Dallas will refurnish their roster. They'll get multiple picks out of their two firsts. They're just not equipped right now. Now, if CDLAM gets hurt, there's nobody that separates on this receiving court. Why don't we take it a step further, Colin? Instead of just having a couple picks, why don't we go and move Trayvon Diggs to somebody who needs a cornerback? I mean, their centers out. Let's just start trading guys on a defense that ain't stopping anybody anyway.

Well, that is not terrible. Now, Diggs has a bad. I think Diggs, I got to look at his contract before I speak, but you got to just start moving off defenders. I mean, I don't know. Just somebody want Pickens for a stretch run here? You know, he's playing for a contract? I don't know, Kansas City cheese? Like, at some point, if you're Dallas, if you get smoked by the Packers, you're one and three.

I know nobody wants to tank, but why not? Why not consider it, Colin? I think Houston may want to start moving parts. I don't know that they've got a lot to move. No, I mean, well, they've got, I mean, they have no offensive line whatsoever. No. But the Chargers could be in the market for offensive line. They need to help, right?

No, I think the Chargers O-line, Rams Corner. I think there's a handful of team. I mean, Kansas City may be in the market for a running back. Maybe you need a shopping list segment of who's going to be going after picks. That's not bad at all. It does feel like every year the Chiefs are going to be in the Super Bowl, right? It feels like it's kind of wide open right now? Like if I ask you, who's going to be in the Super Bowl, NFC, AFC, right now, who you got?

Well, I think I like Buffalo, but I don't love the back end of their defense. They need home games. They're susceptible? No, and I think the weather will be in a different. advantage because the way to beat Buffalo throw the ball down the field and you know in lousy weather I think Baltimore, Buffalo, I think the

chargers you have to take seriously I think Philadelphia and Green Bay Rams um everybody but Philadelphia has got holes everybody Philadelphia has bad habs but they don't have roster liabilities I don't think Final story Colin college football

By the way this weekend in college football is amazing Oh my Oregon Penn State Yeah this past weekend it was fine Bill Belichick in North Carolina got smoked by UCF. I watched some of this. They are inept, Colin. It was 34 to 9.

Belichick has been outscored 82 to 23 by two big 12 opponents, and they have one of the worst offenses in the country, 5.3 yards per play. Not looking good for Belichick, I will admit that I whiffed on this. I just thought Belichick could coach him up, and he's out for revenge. Go look at Billiichick's offensive career without Brady. Cleveland, pre-Bradie New England, post-Bradie New England, Carolina. Look at his offensive output. I mean, I watched, I YouTube, I didn't watch it live.

I was watching Nebraska, Michigan was the game I was already concentrating on, and then Syracuse, Clemson, early, and USC late. But I watched the YouTube highlights on this. They don't have any playmate. I mean, they just don't have good enough offensive players. The staff wants me to know that we have video of Belichick's young girlfriend. giving him a pregame pep talk. So can we roll that footage here?

Everybody wants to see Jordan Hudson's very nice outfit. He's got the knee-high boots. I'm going to stop describing it. Bottom line, that's about the highlight there for the Tar Heels, who next face Clemson. Clemson's not good, but this game had a lot of interest like five weeks ago, and now it's like, oh, goodness. I guess people, I guess John Gruden didn't like this a lot this morning on wake up.

What happened? Well, I mean, he said he'd never seen this. Wife or girlfriend on the sidelines. I don't know what to make of it. I mean, she's running sort of his social media stuff and maybe, I don't know. She wants to be on television. What do you want to do what to make of it? She wants the camera's picking her up.

You don't take that outfit is, look at me, everyone. Come on. You may be right. I don't know. By the way, this weekend, Oregon at Penn State. Oh, that's going to be good. Yeah. Bama at Georgia.

USC at Illinois. I'll be there. LSU at Ole Miss. that is going to be some heat. I just texted the wife. Saturday I'm off limits. Let's get an Uber for the kids. I think I like.

Oh, boy. It's hard to bet against Penn State at home. At night, too. That's a rough one. I'd probably take Penn State, USC. I'm not betting against Dan Lannning. And a big spot. James Franklin loves to lay a big egg.

You know that. against top 10 team who does James Franklin he can never win the big game maybe this is it god that's gonna be great TV J-Mac with the news

well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news I mean I'm telling you you know I said last week Jim Harbaugh greatest football coach of all time all I got

all I got back was pushback well I hope you watch yesterday because another example of that. It's the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's... extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think

it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas. And offered up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective

on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by,

like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. Man, he running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, I say, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court,

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Hey. And we have been joined at the Hipsons High School. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, We're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.

With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing?

Microphones? Are you making a rap album? I would. Come on. Could you imagine? I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds.

That's delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crime jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a person. I'm in a pausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How Hard Can It Be with the Adamania Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood

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Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday. Number 21 USC is looking for a Big Ten statement win as they take on the 23rd ranked fighting Alainai. It all goes down live from Champaign starting with Big Noon kickoff at 10 a.m. Eastern. Then it's USC Illinois only on Fox. Got my red shoes taking the train down to Champaign Urbana.

Didn't you say Illinois was going to be in like? like the playoff or something? Yeah, then I watched the Indiana game. What happened? The Indiana quarterback is now like a Heisman contender. I was like, what? Who is this guy? So, first of all, we've talked about this a lot on the show.

There are so many good offensive coaches that before you bury a quarterback, he probably has a potential career resurrection. So Mac Jones, the league gave up on. It's over. Not Kyle Shanahan. He's now 2-0 with the San Francisco 49ers, and he's not handing the ball off to Christian McCaffrey. 80 attempts in his two starts. So, Mac Jones is, again, there are so many smart offensive coaches.

Kyle Shanahan's one of them. You think Mack Jones' career is over? It used to be. 20 years ago, it would have been over. Not what happens anymore. You get second, third, and fourth chances because of the great offensive coaching. Daniel Jones. I mean, we all rolled our eyes when he went to the Vikings.

Oh, give me a break. They're not going to make Daniel Jones. But Daniel Jones is throwing the ball down the field for the Colts, six of nine yesterday on downfield throws. He was always a big guy who moved well. He is spinning it. Danny Dimes is Danny Dollars. He is spinning it, baby.

So this is something we've been on for two or three years. It used to be if your first team and you didn't work, it was over. You may get a second chance. Guys are getting second, third, fourth, fifth chances. And Mac and Dan Jones look great, thanks to great offensive coaching and decent support systems. The other thing is Matt Hasselbeck was on earlier. We talked about Herbert and Harbaugh. If Jim Harbaugh could go to the lab and create a quarterback, it would be a big, smart, strong, tough, coachable, eagoless quarterback.

and that's what Justin Herbert is. Herbert yesterday got hit 14 times. He got pressured on 55% of his snaps. He got the snot kicked out of him. And that kid just stayed in the pocket. And I think his physical resilience is remarkable. And here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on Harbaugh unlocking Justin Herbert to another level. Harbaugh basically said, listen, I'm going to get that.

the best of Justin Herbert by having this philosophy. And now you're seeing it this year. You're seeing Justin Herbert put the team on his back, playing like an MVP, making all world throws in the pocket, feeling healthy enough to do it. I think Harbaugh has the vision for what Herbert can be. And everyone's buying in. Everyone's buying in.

I think the opponent is starting to buy in a little bit too. Like, oh, shoot, man. This guy is one of the elite quarterbacks. You know, even when we call the perfect play defensively, He goes above the X's and O's and makes stuff happen. I thought the AFC West was the most difficult division for me to predict. I picked Denver, Kansas City Chargers. I thought the Roshan Slater injury would be a little bit of a death knell for the offense.

Well, they've unlocked Quentin Johnson, who looked like a bust a year ago. Nope, Ladd-McConkey's still great. Hampton now coming into his own. Joel, did give up a sack yesterday, but moved right, tackle to left. He's been excellent. and Jim Harbaugh is now 14 and 7 as a Charger coach, 12 and 0 last year at Michigan. So Jim Harbaugh's last 33 games, he has a winning percentage of almost 79% at Michigan and with the Chargers.

And he inherited a mess. The culture was broken, the defense was broken. Herbert wasn't broken, but he wasn't at his best. He had regressed now, and I've said everybody in life needs their kingmaker. It doesn't matter if you're listening to me. You're a salesperson, you're a manager, everybody, you can't do it in an island. And Justin Herbert was always talented. We have unlocked, we have unlocked the perfect marriage.

And I said earlier, there have been great matches and marriages in our life. Harbaugh and Herbert take a back seat to nobody. You can say, well, Simon and Garfunkel, don't tell me Herbert and Harbaugh could not have been Simon and Garfunkel. Mario and Luigi. Don't tell me they're taking a backseat to those guys. Or Abbott and Costello, I'm not buying it. Herbert and Harbaugh are in their class. Hey, Batman and Robin, J. Mack, don't kid yourself.

These guys are the Batman and Robin of the NFL. Zig Fried and Roy may be a little bit of a stretch. I'll be honest. This one's a bit of a stretch. All I know is when I watch Herbert and Harbaugh, there are coaches and quarterbacks that like I think Mahomes and Reed won the great play designer and won the hyper creative quarterback. Reed and Mahomes is a perfect marriage.

Sometimes coaches tolerate quarterbacks, Pete Carroll Russell Wilson. It feels like they're tolerating each other. Herbert and Harbaugh to me, I mean, this is what Jim Harbaugh was a less talented version of Herbert. big tough strong smart resilient tough like that that's what harbaugh was he didn't have huge talent but he was talented i think i think jim knows like we all know he came here for herbert i think herbert's better than he thought i think jordan herbert is better than jim harbaugh thought and i think jim harbaugh in that opening press conference thought he was great yet zig reid and roy is a bit of a stretch hey guys it's us and the jonas brothers i'm joe i'm kevin and i'm nick and guess what

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