The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, the Bears success with Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson, Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Make sure you don’t miss this week’s Colin Right, Colin Wrong—where Colin doubles down on being right about Chicago Bears head coach Ben Johnson, and owns where he whiffed on San Francisco 49ers quarterback Brock Purdy Colin talks to former NFL QB Matt Hasselbeck about the continued improvement of Caleb Williams, the Bears success this season, the Chiefs losing to the Broncos, Bo Nix's finale drive against Kansas City, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening, thanks as always for joining us. All right, it's starting to sort itself out. we don't want to waste any time here we do it every monday where colin was right where colin was wrong and let's rip it where colin was right well i picked denver to win the a fc west i said kansas city would be good but a wild card team and you know i love bow nicks and i thought yesterday especially on that last drive bo nicks looked like the veteran quarterback i just think denver's got a better roster right now I didn't think that two years ago, but Chris Jones is not playing at the level he was a couple years ago. So I was right on that.

I didn't think it was a controversial take when I said Denver's going to win this division in Kansas City will finish second. Where Colin was wrong. But I've been higher on the Chiefs than almost everybody else at this network because Andy and Brett Veach and Patrick Mahomes, the three teams, they're battling for a wild card spot, have all beaten them. The Chargers, the Jags, and the Bills. and they're 0 and 5 and 1 score games, and I just don't think their defense feels as intimidating. And I think Patrick Mahomes is still remarkable.

That's not a very good pick, and I think in the last couple years, it feels like Josh Allen's more dynamic. So I've been a little higher on Kansas City, maybe because I've seen them turn it around and have sluggish two or three game spots, but I don't think they're in a good spot right now. Where Colin was right?

I said week one, I said, Ben Johnson's the right coach. You can talk about Caleb, but what I see from Ben Johnson, I see what I saw in Detroit. He's going to clean it up. The Bears are 5 and 1 in 1 score games, and I don't think what I said is a revelation, but it became very crystal clear by week 2, 3, and 4

that the identity of the team was not going to be Caleb. It was going to be Ben Johnson, precision, a run game, and an interior. year old line that they bought in the offseason. I've also always said, young quarterbacks are better with young offensive coaches. Once again, LaFleur with Jordan Love helped. McVey with a young golf helped. Ben Johnson with Caleb has become crucial.

Where Colin was wrong. Maybe I'm a little tough on Brock Purdy. I thought he was great yesterday. Having not played for a couple of months, he and George, George Kittle are money together. When they connect, Kittle and Brock Purdy have a 141 career passer rating. Yesterday, three touchdowns, accurate, they're able to move the pocket, good in the red zone. Listen, he adds mobility.

I'm kind of tough on him, but I thought yesterday he kind of blew me away. Where Colin was right? The one quarterback in the 2024 class I was skeptical of with J.J. McCarthy, and I kept saying, what's the wow trait? Folks, he's got a 62 passer rating. That's the worst of any starter in the league. And Justin Jefferson is disappearing slowly, and his body language is telling you he's not taking it well.

I just think, trust your eyes. Does a quarterback feel a little overwhelmed? His body language, his feet. I think he's got a good enough arm. I think he moves well enough. But his misses are confidence misses, and I think that tells you right now, he's not sure of J.J. McCarthy, and he was the one quarterback I just didn't get, and so far I'm right.

Where Colin was wrong. I didn't think Brent Venables was the best pick at Oklahoma, and I didn't think Oklahoma would be that great in the SEC. I was wrong on both counts. They have allowed the fewest points in the SEC. It's the best defense in the conference. Venables has created an identity he went and found a great quarterback, but I mean, they've beaten Bama in back-to-back years and were the better team and forced them into uncharacteristic mistakes. So you know what? I thought Texas would be the better of the two big 12 teams going to the SEC.

But I don't know what Texas's identity is. I know what Oklahoma's is. They are physical. They are tough. They got a little bit of a Georgia feel to him, and I was wrong. where Colin was right? I did not like Detroit when Ben Johnson left hiring somebody in the building. Make it a global search.

Well, the Lions defense, in three of Detroit's losses, they've scored 13, 17, and 9 points. I'm sorry with that offensive line and those backs and those receivers, that's not good enough. They're down in third down percentage, rushing, passing, yards per play. They're not even good on fourth down right now. I think when you lose an elite coach or a coordinator, don't just look inside the building. You've got to go, open your eyes up to every candidate in the country. I think I was right on that with Detroit. Where Colin was right?

I had said multiple times this year I had heard that Brian Kelly just didn't want to grind anymore and he may have taken that LSU job for the money. What do you know? Bruce Feldman reporting he cashed out, spent more time golf, than around the building. I had two people tell me in the last calendar year that, you know what, it happens. You get into your 60s and you kind of lose the drive, and he didn't really have it. It was an opportunity to make some money.

He's been a great coach. I don't necessarily hold it against him. I hope it doesn't happen to me. But what I had heard from two people I trust turned out to be true. And Bruce Feldman's reporting double down on that. Colin right, calling wrong. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, every Monday, 18 years in the NFL. So it's funny.

And look at you. You're in Chicago now, just cash and checks, not doing the grind. I'm cash and checks so I can buy another winner coat is what I'm doing with my money. And boots. And boots. Yeah. So Kansas City's five and five. And you can really go two ways on it.

But the one thing that jumps out to me, Matt, is when Chris Jones, a couple years ago had an Aaron Donald field where like they'd just move him around the line and you couldn't block him. He's not that now. And I don't think the defense feels as fast or as intimidating. I wish I could be more positive, but I don't love what I see. I felt at the end of that game, I'm like, I thought Denver was controlling Kansas City. They were controlling the clock. They had better weapons. That's what it felt like to me. What say you? Well, it was a great game. The game could have gone either way. And I feel like that was their season last year. They just won all those close games last year. That's really what happened. Early in the year, they just said, oh, they don't

have their wide receivers and that's the problem. But I think if you really look at it, I think turnover margin is a thing. You mentioned Chris Jones and what he used to be just wreaking havoc up front. That created turnovers for their defense. So turnover margins a thing. But I think if I were to point to one thing, everyone else has just gotten better. Like the Denver Broncos are way better. Bo Nix is better than what the Chiefs used to have to go up against. And I think that's the thing. No different this week. Listen, do you believe in the Chiefs?

Are they a playoff team? Yeah, probably a playoff team. Do you believe in them? Can they go on the road? Yeah, but now they're going to, they got the Colts this week. They get the Colts this week. Colts are better. Like, everyone's better.

So just doing what you've always done isn't going to work for Kansas City. They've got to find ways to win these close games against better competition now. You know, Caleb and Bo Nix, I said this last week, they're durable. They're inconsistent, they're uneven, but both feel pretty confident late. It's almost like Bo is hard on himself and it's kind of tough on himself and comes in a little anxious and lightens up as the game goes. What did you make of his last drive? Was it a play-calling drive to you or a quarterback drive?

Yeah, no, it was a quarterback drive and it was a quarterback play that won the game. I don't see those two quarterbacks similarly. I think Bo Nix is more in that Drake May category. I know people are hard on him. I see things critiquing him. I don't see it. Bo Nix is a baller. He's a sure thing.

He is absolutely their franchise quarterback now and for the future, no doubt. The corner route, I think, that you're showing there right now, that is not open. He is completely covered. It was what quarterback's calling us or nobody throw. We either catch it or nobody catches it. The ball's not in harm's way. And that sealed the game. It was kind of a Mahomes-esque type play.

You go above the X's and O's. It's a great call by Spags and the Kansas City Chiefs. It's great coverage by the defense. It's a better throw. In defensive backs, they'll say it in their meeting rooms also. They'll say, you know what? There's no defense. There's no coverage for a perfect throw.

We did what we could do. The quarterback just beat us there. You got to tip your cap to him. And that's what Bo Nix did. And like you mentioned, it's in clutch critical moments that he's doing it. I'm a believer of Bo Nix have been and continue to be. So listen, Ram Seahawks, Andrew Luck had a quality that I loved. He could throw back-to-back terrible picks, and he didn't care.

He had a short memory. Sam's got a little bit of that where you're like, Sam doesn't care. Sam's a playmaker, and he's just going to let it rip. I thought yesterday he saw things late. When I watched it, I'm like, oh, he's just not crisp. Did you ever get into those games where you weren't seeing it? You have a pick, but your team needs you.

And talk about the psychology of a bad Sunday, but yet that last drive, you can't pout. The ball's at the one. You've got to drive and get a field goal. Have you been in games like that? Yeah, it was an interesting one. He's a great player and he's had a great year. He had a terrible game. And, you know, if he just throws three interceptions instead of four,

they probably win the game. But four interceptions cost them the opportunity and the best pun I've ever seen in my life by the Rams. That was another thing. But I think for me, what I see in him that I have felt is that you're so sped up. You know, Jared Verst and the pass rush, it was pretty legit.

And he was sped up. And then his elbow was down low. And then his balls are getting tipped that normally wouldn't get tipped. And he was just a little bit rushed. He was quick to get to his check down because one, two, three aren't open. I'm getting to number four. Well, guess what? Was number four open? Like that, you need to actually make that decision too. But you're so sped up because the defense is doing such a good job with their pass rush. And that, and that's what I think happened. I also think that that's a team. Seattle's a team that's going to learn from this game. And, you know,

a lot of times, a lot of those negative, negative Sam Darnold plays from the game yesterday were on like third and three. And third and three, if you're going to see, say we're going to be a running team, like in the defense, the Rams are playing dime defense at times, you got to be able to just run the ball in third and three. That's the whole point of getting into third and manageables. So the defense has to defend the pass and the run and not like third and seven to ten, stuff like that. So I think they'll learn from this. I would chalk this up as the first game of probably three that the Seattle Seahawks and the Rams play this year. And I think all the games will be kind of like this one. So it's interesting. I always look for a team to

have an identity. And I actually think Chicago's identity has Ben Johnson in the run game, but we pay a lot of attention to Caleb. But I think when they got Drew Dalman, Joe Tunney, Jonah Jackson, Ben tipped his hand. We want to run the ball. I want to make it easier for my young quarterback.

You know, again, Caleb had moments, had plays. He does, I mean, he throws that ball. He has a hundred mile an hour fastball. But I kind of see their identity. They make, they're not a great defense, but it's a playmaking defense. And it's a run team.

That's how I view them. How do you view the Bears? I think they're a team that's overachieving with a great head coach. I mean, they are seven and three right now. And like to think about who they were last year and who they are this year, Ben Johnson, Ryan Paul has done a great job building this thing. Caleb is a young player learning on the fly. And as he's learning, they're winning.

He's morphing into Ben Johnson's kind of quarterback. Is he there? No, I don't think he is. He's really not. but they seem to find ways to win, whether it's a two-minute drive by Caleb, doing a great job in two-minute, or special teams saving the day yesterday

and basically winning the game for them. Other times it's been defense stepping up. So this is Ben Johnson, I think the big fear with him was that he was a great play caller and he was cute and fun with his trick plays, but was he going to be a culture setter? Was he going to bring in like a new DNA into that organization?

And that's what happens with DNA culture setter type coaches. You set a standard, and an expectation for the details and the discipline that are going to happen in your organization every single day. And quite honestly, you saw teams lose games because they didn't have detail. They didn't have discipline. They were selfish. And I think the Bears have like kicked that out the door with Ben Johnson.

He's a great leader. He's a great play caller. He's a great developer of a young quarterback. I think they're ascending. Do I think this is their year? After I say all that? No. They haven't really beat anybody.

but the schedule is getting tougher here. We'll find out who they really are. So to me, I think one of the hardest things to do as a coach is create an identity. And then when you have it, maintain it. You can lose it. You can lose a star player, free agency injuries. I don't know what Philadelphia's identity was. Last year, it was Sequin, big plays, everybody fearful.

They don't run the ball. A lot of receiver drama. I almost think the identity is there are two defensive interior linemen where they just any big fourth down play, they're unblockable. Can you win Super Bowls when offensively, I kind of feel like series to, I mean, good God, they're like second most three and outs in the league. Is that a Super Bowl level team to you? They are a Super Bowl level team if they start playing their best football late in the year.

you know, after Thanksgiving, they got to get hot. They have all the ingredients. And who else, if it's not them, who is it? You know, and they can compete with anybody because of what you said, their defensive line and, you know, the havoc that they wreak on a passing game. Like I was saying with Sam Darnold was sped up. Jared Goff was way too sped up. And there's not much you can do.

I mean, he doesn't have the athleticism that a Caleb Williams has, so he has to throw kind of on time. And there were guys open, but he couldn't get the ball to them because of the pass protection. And then if you short set a defensive line that's really good, they know just to get their hands up and bat balls and all that kind of stuff. So I think the danger for Philly right now is that they did an obvious job of trying to force it to A.J. Brown yesterday. And I think it was pretty good results. But I just think you got to be careful.

Like, I know you lost your right tackle yesterday, but it's about Sequin. It's about explosive runs. And it's about letting the A.J. Brown plays kind of come to you. I thought they were about 50-50 there. Now, Philly fans might push back on me and be like, hey, good stuff happens when we throw it to AJ. And I probably would agree. You might even get some defensive pass interference flags that aren't really, you know, they're a little questionable. We'll leave it at that.

So, but I just think the identity of who they are, that needs to stay to the X's and O's and not get like the distractions of front office conversations and we're going to force it to AJ. And like, that's just, that's not what great culture and great teams do. and I do think they have been a team with great culture and a winning culture and like putting the team first. So that would be just my fear that it's a slippery slope with them. And I think they're doing just an okay job right now. Listen, there's two old quarterbacks that are still on any Sunday playing pretty high level football.

Stafford and Aaron Rogers. Aaron now has a wrist injury. If he can avoid surgery, go back to the end of your career when, you know, I always say young players heal faster. older players, you know, it's like the NBA. If a guy wears two knee braces, attack him. He can't defend anybody. Now you're Aaron and you're older and you have a wrist injury. Does it change the way he plays, do you think?

Well, yeah, listen, I dealt with this exact same thing. And when you break a wrist or a bone in your hand, you immediately go to a hand specialist. It's kind of like it looks like it's just a whole different world in there. And so, you know, two scenarios I think. He either has to have surgery or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then he's wearing a cast. And, you know, my experience, when Pete Carroll was in Seattle, I was the quarterback, I broke my wrist.

I wore a cast all week, never took a snap in practice. And then for the games, we would cut the cast off, and I would wear a splint or a brace. Can you do it? Yeah, is it very painful? Yeah, it's very painful. What you do is you hand the ball off with your right hand for all handoffs to the right or to the left. Marciaun Lynch was my running back. And in fact, if I remember correctly, I think Marciaun said, hey, my quarterback in college at Cal, Aaron Rogers,

he did something like this to his left hand, and he handed all the balls off to me with his right hand, and you should do that too. And that's what we did that season. I did exactly what I just said. You know, the Beast Quake game that was hand the ball off righty and lefty. So if he avoids surgery, I think he could still play. It's not necessarily a ball security thing.

It's more about protecting himself as he goes to the ground. And then maybe taking snaps under center might be difficult depending, but I think it's doable. I've done it. And apparently, according to Marsha, Lynch, Aaron Rogers has already done it when he was a cow. So I think if you're a Steelers fan, you're hoping that he doesn't need surgery, and it's something that he can just cast up and play through.

Well, Cowboys Raiders tonight, Matt Hasselbeck has always delivers. Great seeing you, bud. All right. See you calling. All right. Yeah, there's not a lot of veteran quarterbacks in this league, Flacco obviously, but it's getting to be a younger league, and there's a lot of young quarterbacks, but Stafford doesn't make any

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I just love Josh Allen. Sean Tucker ate him alive. Tampa Bay running back. Yeah, I just, it's really interesting watching Buffalo. They are lobsided. And it's just not a place you want to be in the NFL. Like you want an identity, but you don't want to. your identity to be one player.

And when I watch Buffalo yesterday, I've come to the conclusion, their roster's okay, and Josh Allen's the greatest football player I've ever seen. And that's literally how I feel. I feel like I'm watching Otani. I mean, every snap. He can run, he can pass, he can run and pass, although that one

was called back. He can do everything. So generally speaking, you want your offense to have structure, and I feel with Josh Allen half the time it doesn't necessarily have structure. He's just kind of making it up as he goes. and I'm totally okay with it. But I mean, even as a top rushing team,

I wonder how much is James Cook in the O line and how much is teams terrified of not committing to Josh Allen every time he hands the ball off? So it's in Buffalo's seven wins, Alan has 10 rushing touchdowns. In Buffalo's three losses, he has none. So they're not a terribly balanced team. And, I mean, yesterday,

their three leading receivers were an undrafted receiver and two backs. That is not ideal, but it just works with Buffalo, because Josh Allen is that good. Any other team, when you're relying on an undrafted receiver and backs to be your receivers, you're 4 and 13. They're 7 and 3, and it feels fine. So I don't know if you can win a Super Bowl or get to one when you're this unbalanced, but I don't love their defense. I just think Josh Allen is, I've never seen a better football player.

I've never seen it's like Big Ben plus. Big Ben was very good. Everything's a little better with Josh Allen. And, I mean, he's led the NFL in touchdown since he arrived into the league. He hasn't necessarily had a running game until a couple years ago. He's never had a great receiving core. He's got a defensive coach. It's just six touchdowns feels almost normal for Josh Allen.

Here's Sean McDermott after. You guys know Josh. He's hard to stop. And, you know, we all know how last week went. And, you know, probably a better question for him. But the Josh that I know is very, I mean, he will not be denied. That's the type of competitor, type of person, type of teammate that he is. my heart could use something a little bit

a different type of game but again this win right here as they are all hard to come by this win right here showed me how tough we are yeah I mean it's again when you play with that level of mobility and athleticism I can live with picks

I can live with mistakes there's just I mean as good as Mahomes is he's not this big he doesn't run with this much confidence and size and impact. He is right now the best quarterback in the league. He is the best quarterback. He's not the most decorated.

He's the best quarterback in the league. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Colin, this could be the last time we talk about Aaron Rogers for a while. He has some sort of wrist injury, landed kind of awkwardly here. As you see a big rare hit from the Bengals defensive front.

and it appears that there's a slight break in his left wrist. Now, it's not his throwing hand, obviously. He didn't return after the injury. Steelers were able to survive thanks to two defensive touchdowns. Hey, don't get it twisted. They were not great yesterday with Rogers or Rudolph. They got two defensive touchdowns to pull away. Here is Tomlin talking about the latest with Aaron Rogers.

He was excited about the win. I just talked to him. But that's all we talked about. We didn't talk about his injury. We talked about the significance of the win. Aaron's injury designation was questionable. Could he have returned in the second half? I don't have the answer to that.

Be honest with you. I'll have more information next time we talk. Boy, you know who it's a big winner here? Your Chicago Bears. Colin, I'm looking at the schedule. Bears hosting Mason Rudolph this weekend. Yeah. Listen, I'm not saying that's a huge downgrade,

but it's a downgrade from Rogers. And all of a sudden, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Six and four, look at that daunting schedule. I think they lose with Mason Rudolph against the Bears. I don't think Rudolph can beat Buffalo, sorry. Then you got the Ravens. I think it's okay to write off the Pittsburgh Steelers if Aaron Rogers has to go on IR with a wrist injury.

Yeah, I mean, Pittsburgh feels like Pittsburgh has felt the last several years where they're around 500. I will say they end the season at Detroit. Lost. At Cleveland, where we just won't. watch Cleveland's defense, Stimey Lamar Jackson. So they played Baltimore. So

last year, remember they played very well. I think at one point they were 10 and 3 or something and then all of a sudden they went on a five game skid at the end. It kind of feels the same thing. They come in with Mike Tomlin's energy and focus and passion and the raw raw speeches have a ceiling and after

Thanksgiving things slowly deteriorate. So I kind of feel like this is what they were going to be. They were going to be a 9 and 8 football team and I'm looking at the the schedule without Aaron, that's about what they would be. Yeah, now the tough question, Colin, have you seen enough from Aaron Rogers that if you're Pittsburgh, you want him back next year? Yes, I want him back for one year.

Really? Yeah, I want to draft a quarterback this year, and then I want him to learn from Aaron. Absolutely. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Because I think only one quarterback is ready to play immediately, Mendoza. Everybody else, I think, should stay in college or come out and sit for a year. So hold up. So you're selling Aaron.

Hey, Aaron, come back to us. we're going to be fine. We've got this tight end. Washington emerging as a tight end. You know, Jalen Warren, we're going to be fine. We are going to draft a quarterback early. You know, I know you want us to get a left tackle or another receiver or something else, but we're drafting a quarterback.

We're drafting your future replacement. How do you think that's going to go over with Mr. Darkness Retrie? It doesn't matter because he's got one year left. I mean, if he was 28, it wouldn't go over well. But, I mean, Aaron, I think, to his credit, has enough self-awareness to go, is he's not the future of Pittsburgh. By the way, he was a great teammate of Jordan Love. When they drafted Jordan Love, he could have been bitter.

He was in his prime. He was in his prime. Green Bay was his town. And he was like a good mentor. Aaron will be fine. He understands what he is now at this age. He's too smart not to know that. And one more follow-up.

Is that what you just described? Aaron Rogers coming back, drafting a quarterback. Is that enough to keep Mike Tomlin from saying, hey, guys, the New York Giants or the Miami Dolves want to trade for me? I would like to listen to what they have to say because I got to be, hey, do you want old man Aaron Rogers as your quarterback next year?

They're not competing in the AFC, bro. They're not going anywhere. Well, I don't think Mike Tomlin is given any indication. He's unhappy coaching the Pittsburgh Steelers. So my guess is he stays. He's never been a ladder climber. This is his job and he loves it. Yeah.

All right. Let's go to the Green Bay Packers. You know, an uninspiring push. I had them minus seven. You know, they beat the Giants by seven. Did not look great. Obviously, there was the Josh Jacobs injury, but also Jordan Love got dinged up, Colin. Took a big hit, left the game. Malik Willis came in and did a damn good job. Love did throw two touchdowns after returning. Here's LaFleur on his quarterback and his toughness.

It was so gritty and tough. He was under duress. It felt like quite a bit. And I thought he did a really nice job of just giving guys opportunity to make plays. certainly had a lot of drops today that we were able to obviously overcome for his ability to come back and play the way he did. I was really proud of him. I thought Christian Watson emerged. Romeo Dobbs had bad drop, but I thought Christian Watson, who's been dinged up, kind of their speed guy, big body guy, I thought he played well,

and I thought Jordan made a couple of world-class throws. I think this team should stop trying to define itself as a run team. They can't. They should pass the ball more. and hand it over to Jordan. They keep trying to become something, and then Jacobs went into the tent, and I'm like, guys, you're not a run team. You've tried all year.

I know Lefleur, that's his brand. I think they should just let, if Jordan's got to throw it 40 times, let him do it. But I don't think they're going to run their way to a division title. I don't. I think they have to put it in Jordan's hands and let it rip. So here's one of the problems. It seems like, you know, reading some of these, you know,

X's and those guys, teams have solved Jordan Love. they said, we're not giving you the deep ball. We don't trust Jordan Love to make all the layups and the right reads and go matriculate down the field fully. We don't think you can't. Yesterday, the dummy giants basically were like, hey, we're going to leave Watson and all these guys man coverage down the field. And of course, the giant secondary stinks.

So Love had some success. But Colin, when the playoffs hit, they're not giving love these 40-yard bombs. They're just not going to be there. I don't know that he's good enough to take the eight-yard check down, read the defense. It's been a trying year for it. And the defense, Micah Parsons was great.

Your guy, Michael Parsons. Excellent game yesterday. I look at this offense, Colin, they barely had 300 yards of offense. Like against the giants who are one of the bottom five defenses in the league. Yeah, I think a lot of people are winning ugly this year. Chicago, Denver, Philly, Green Bay. I think it's a year of everybody's smushed in the middle. There's no dominant team.

And the winners, the big winners in this league outside of maybe the Rams are winning ugly. Yeah, final story is college football. It was spicy Saturday. A lot happened around the college football landscape. One of the things that did not happen was Arch Manning and the Texas Longhorn's offense. Georgia reeled off 21 straight to blow open up. What was that close game at halftime? I'll let you chime in on Arch Manning, who I didn't see much from.

Texas, since they joined the SEC has only lost four games, three to Georgia. They just don't match up. Georgia is a much stronger, more physical team. I think they're a better defensive team, and I think they recruit to it. I think this is a bad matchup. It feels like a finesse fighter and a slugger, and they just don't match up with Georgia. Texas, Oklahoma plays a type of football that can beat Georgia and Bama. I don't know if Texas does right now.

Arch was fine. I don't love the receivers at Texas. Well, they lost two guys to the pros. Here's Sark talking about their college football playoff aspirations. Disappointing, it was a pretty good game for three quarters, and it was not a great game in the fourth quarter, at least not for us. So I think the challenge for us now is we've got a two-week season in front of us, and we've got to get up off the map.

We've got to go compete, and we've got to find a way to go win the next two ball games to see what happens. Yeah, I don't think they're a playoff team. Well, they do have one path to the playoffs. They've got to beat Texas A&M, and I know the Texas guy on our staff, I think they got a shot. A&M looked like garbage for a half against South Carolina before an unbelievable comeback. I don't see

A&M as like some machine. I'll say Texas is going to have a chance in that game. Yeah, absolutely. I watched the entire A&M South Carolina game and I wasn't impressed. Yeah, I know it's an NFL Monday, but right now it looks like Ohio State appears to be a lock for the natty.

Who are they facing, Colin? And don't tell me Indiana, okay? I know we like Indiana. Skydy someone else, right? Probably Georgia. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white color or something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones?

Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you move? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky.

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I watched Jaden Myov at UNLV in early last year, and I said, I said on the air, I'm like, I'm not sure that works. He's an athlete. He is just exceptional. When did you watch him and think he could be this? Because it wasn't a year ago. It didn't feel like 12 games ago it looked like this. When was it?

Yeah, we were excited when we took him out of UNLV. We thought he was really raw, and the way he produced there, still being so new to the game, was impressive. and then, you know, Colin, he got a chance to play the last four games for us last year. We went three and one in those games. He made a lot of big plays against four really good defenses. And I think that was when we all kind of said, man, we might really have something here

because this kid can develop the way that we think he can. You know, there's the makings of something pretty unique here. And he was just, he was so much more raw than any, maybe any quarterback that I've ever brought in anywhere, including, like, freshmen. But to see what he was already doing, despite being so new to the game, was impressive. And, yeah, he's worked hard. He's gotten better, better. He's got the trust of our staff, our team, and he's playing at a high level.

Well, that Iowa game, and I had said it during the week, it's going to be Iowa weather. It was a mess. I mean, I'm in Chicago. Our weather was better than yours. It was a sloppy mess. And you got very emotional at the end of that game. And, I mean, you were, that's the most emotional I've ever seen you. What was it?

What was it the week of practice? Was it, it was a rainy, sloppy Iowa game that it felt like a big 10 win. What was all that excitement from? That was for our team. You know, we didn't play very good in the first half. It was like you said, it was a sloppy game. It was a good opponent. And to have the resilience and toughness to come back and win that game was important

because we all know what was riding on that game and the opportunity that we've created by having a good season. And so to see how the way our guys responded, to see us shut them out, the second half defensively to make big plays offensively on special teams and get it done kind of in that moment was I think a great step for our program our team and and yeah I was I was fired up about it to beat Oregon um Indiana did it you got to keep that offense off the field can you Oregon's really good up front like first round level defensive line talent do you got to I mean do you have to bring an extra tight ends can you block Oregon you have a very talented O-line, but it's young.

And you've got some depth for the first time in 10 years. USC has really like Sunday-looking players. You have depth. Oregon's a handful up front. Can you block them straight up, or do you have to make them guess, bring extra people in? Well, we've needed the depth. We've played

with about 10 different O-line combinations all year, and our guys have done a really good job responding. And listen, we know, we know words are a really good football team, really well-coached team, you know, talent across the board. And so, you know, we understand going in that it's going to be a challenge, and it's our job to make it a tough challenge for them, too.

So it's going to be two really good football teams going at it. A lot of times, as you know, games like this, obviously the front, the battle up front on both sides of the ball is always a key, and our guys are going to have to go in there and do a great job against a talented group. When you go on the road at odds, it's the loudest stadium I think I've ever been to, Gainesville, Florida, Oregon, I used to cover it. What do you have to do offensively to just keep that noise from interrupting your flow and rhythm offensively?

Well, play good. That helps, right? No, that's part of going on the road. I think the fortunate thing in this league is, you know, just about all the places that you go have a really good home atmosphere and have that challenge. And going on the road's always tough. You've got to be able to handle it.

You've got to communicate. You know, their crowd and all that do a great job up there. That's what's going to make the atmosphere fun. And our guys have got to go in and handle it well. So when you have a receiver, Mackay Lemon, and I was talking to an NFL guy and he said, what do you make of him? And I said, it's just amazing.

I said, any go either way ball, he'll catch. I don't know what his catching radius is. I don't know what his speed is. All I know is when you throw it. And if it's within his sphere, he will catch the ball, which tells me he's tough. He's physical.

Have you ever had a player quite like him, which I know the measurables are good? He doesn't look like a burner, but nobody ever catches him. What do you make of him as a receiving talent? He's really unique. I think the two things that stand out to me is, you know, one, you mentioned is how fearless he is.

I mean, the guy is just absolutely fearless to make any play over the middle on the perimeter, big blocks, you know, big catches and big moments. He's just absolutely fearless. And I think the second thing is how smart of a receiver he is. He understands defenses. He understands, you know, really how to set up routes, how to work him. He's one of those guys that you can coach him at times even a little bit different than other guys in the room because of his knowledge and feel for the game. And so his ability to adjust routes on the fly and understand how to attack people is really unique.

And that, you know, obviously gives us a lot of confidence to use him in a lot of different ways. Yeah, he reminds me a little bit of JSN, the Seahawk kid from Ohio State, where everybody said, well, I didn't run that well. And it's like, all I know is he's open and never, nobody's catching him and he's always open. when this a playoff spot is on the line, I feel like this year, you've always been great offensively, nobody questions that, but I do feel like year two and the Big Ten felt different. I think you addressed it. I think you're bigger. I think you've recruited the Interior D-line. If I said, go back one year, how are you more Big Ten capable or prepared this year than last, just based on the weather, the games, the travel, and all the nuances of the conference?

Yeah, I mean, we made some adjustments, I think, in travel. We've made some adjustments in our approach. I think, you know, you mentioned the depth. I think that our team had the amount of injuries or guys missing time that we've had this year, I don't know that we would have been able to withstand that as much. And so each year that goes on, our roster gets more talented and gets deeper. And you need that in this league. When you play the schedule that we do, you're going to have to have different guys step up

throughout the year and continue to play at a high level because it's a challenge every single week. And so, yeah, I just think every part of our program just continues to get better and better. And, you know, when you do that, you're more ready for these games and you have a chance to finish more of them. So we're doing that now. And it's just going to continue to grow from here. Minute left. I don't know if you've noticed your former quarterbacks in Chicago. He's on a little bit of a heater right now. Coach, have you noticed that? I have noticed that. All the people that wrote him off, right? He can't play ball. Now look at him. Yeah, no, he's hot. They're atop the NFC North he's playing well and he's great in the fourth quarter,

which is really hard as a young player. You notice that? I do. And I think, you know, I think Ben coming in there has given him a lot of confidence. I think it's added a lot of stability to the situation. And for any quarterback, especially a young quarterback, like having that stability and a coaching staff and I think just that confidence to bring into the offense to him,

the entire team, I know talking to Caleb, you know, the entire organization feels that. He feels that. And I think that's why you're seeing them. win some of these close games and yeah i think both he and that team are just scratching the surface it'll be fun to watch their run all right it is going to be at least it's on the west coast no you're not losing time zones it's going to be probably a little wet but it's going to be the game of the year on the west coast for sure and one of the games of the year in college football

oregon and u sc and i can't wait and it's great seeing you thanks colm fine on um yeah that's going to be a good one you i'm telling you j mac mack that mckeye lemon kid he's got a little jsn like he is average, I just saw a number here. He's averaging 109 yards a game, and he's not a burner. And that's what they said about J.S.N. I mean, listen, J.S.N is, this kid's a mock first round. All the mocks have him in the first round. If the ball is in his sphere, he catches it.

He wins every 50-50 ball, all of them. You know, I like most about the USC comeback was they were down early, and it was like, oh, here we go again. and they fought back impressive victory. I'm not ruling out the upset against Oregon. I know we got some Oregon staffers here. I know Oregon's better. They're favored.

Let's just take a deep breath. USC is going to be in this game. I don't think this will be a 30-point blowout. No, no, no, no, no. I think it's I watched Oregon play Iowa. USC play Iowa. I think it's a very, very competitive game. If you can hear, it's hard to hear it, Oxton.

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