The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, the Packers can't close out, Matt Stafford looks great, Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Colin delivers his weekly segment: "Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong", owning up to his miss on the Dallas Cowboys, but standing firm on his take about San Francisco 49ers QB Brock Purdy Matt Hasselbeck stops by The Herd to talk about the Rams come from behind win over the Colts, the youth of the Packers, Lamar Jackson continuing to lose to the Chiefs, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go, hour two and a Monday. A lot going on, two Monday net football games tonight. Colin Wright, wrong in a second. Matt Hasselbeck. Cooper de Jean, I know. He's felt it to Jean. You know, listen, I got a little French.

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I'm going to do it in about 15 minutes. Maybe 30 minutes. All right. Here we go. Colin right, Colin wrong, plenty of both on a Monday. Where Colin was right? I said last week with Baltimore. I don't want to hear its injuries.

I'm not sure what they do well defensively. They weren't good on Monday night and they're not good now. That's the best game Patrick Mahomes has played in a long time. Look at what Kansas City did. Seven yards of play. Kansas City's rebuilding their all line, has no run game. Travis Kelsey, you get about one big play a game and they don't have a number one receiver. I mean, Mahomes hasn't played that well in so long.

So it's not like Kansas City doesn't have injuries. Rishi Rice isn't playing. This is Worthy's first game back. They lost their best offensive linemen. They have no real consistent run game. Baltimore, I said it last week. I think it's time to panic. You may need more than just getting guys healthy on the defensive side.

Where Colin was wrong. Outside of the Bears game, Brian Schottenheimer has looked buttoned up. I know the Cowboys are one, two, and one, but they're getting the ball to the right people. I mean, this is the best I've seen Dak play in eight years. You've got to get Brian Chottinheim some credit for it. They didn't have CD Lamb

and they mixed it up very well. Again, their clock management was better than Green Bay. Some of that's just Dak's been around. He's a smart guy. But I will say, they're wildly entertaining the watch.

They're in every game. They should have beaten, if not for a CD Lamb drop. They should have beaten Philadelphia. I thought this team was going to be absolutely, potentially the second, third worst team in the league. and they're a pretty fun team to watch,

and Dak is playing out of his mind. Where Colin was right? Oh, Brock Purdy or Mac Jones. You tell me there's a difference. Wasn't the knock on Brock Pretty out of college? He was a bit small and reckless. Well, so far this year, four TDs, four picks. He's got more turnovers than total touchdowns.

I know the Niners had some drops, but they also had a couple of guys make catches that could have been potentially intercepted that they not made the catch. So he did not play well. Again, he's banged up. I understand that. These are professional athletes.

It's the NFL. Everybody's banged up by week three and four. I don't see the massive gap. I think Purdy's better than Mac Jones, but I don't see the $45 million gap. Where Colin was wrong. That is the best game offensively. I have seen the Steelers play in maybe six years.

Honestly, Aaron was tremendous. This. The back shoulder throws, the tempo. I mean, the Steelers have had an offensive line issue and a run game issue since Big Ben's second to last year. D.K. Metcalf and Aaron really connected. Steelers had six sacks and a lot of that the Vikings old lines all banged up, but I don't want to hear about it. All I know is when I watch that game, that was a 2025 offense, a number one receiver, a consistent run game, good pass pro. Aaron deserves credit. They have, they have, he is leading this offense, and he deserves credit. Because if you're a Steeler fan, when's the last time you saw a third down, a game plan, a run game that consistent? And Minnesota's got real players.

Brian Flores at Great D.C. Where Colin was right? Oh, I've said Matt Stafford, maybe the best thrower of a football in the world. He put on a clinic yesterday. I mean, I have him in the Super Bowl bubble. he and Puka are arguably the best quarterback wide receiver combo. Even Tutu Atwell, who was a bus they kept around for a year, ended up having the game winner.

McVeigh plus Stafford and that defense, this is a real team. Indianapolis is no joke. They have a roster. But Stafford, game winning drives, just absolutely beautiful to watch. He is the best pocket quarterback we've had in a long time. where Colin was wrong. Yeah, I got a little ahead of myself on USC. First Real Challenge got pushed around by Illinois.

The same Illinois team that had 160 total yards against Indiana had over 500. Everybody's banging on Lincoln Riley because they scored so quickly. Well, you don't want to get cute on the road. They just looked lost. They got burned on this Philly special. They didn't consistently generate a pass rush. I don't know what it is, but the longer De Anton Lin, a great D coordinator, is in USC, the softer the defense gets. And I think he's done a great job with Jaden Maob at the quarterback, but defensively, the back end is atrocious.

Where Colin was right? Sam Darnold is elite. He's the winningest quarterback in the league since the beginning of last year. This year, completing 70% of his throws, 106-passer rating. And what I like, this team is Green Bay Young off. offensively. This is an incredibly young roster. Darnold moves from Minnesota. They jam him in. They go from Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson to a bunch of kids. He's had two game-winning drives in four games. He is a great fit for years and years. I said, I watched Sam Darno

play. He won in high school at USC, at Minnesota and Seattle. Who's winning with the Panthers and the Jets? This guy can play. Where Colin was right? Dante Moore, if I had a number one pick in the draft, I would pick Dante Moore, the quarterback for Oregon. This kid, the poise, the stoicism, that is a loud road environment. Oregon's a young team. He is phenomenal. I said last week, I'm going to take Oregon. Dante Moore is next level.

Some of these throws. This kid is really good. And all the quarterbacks we thought were going to be great. coming into the season, Drew Aller, Cade Plubnick, eh, that's the number one pick in the draft. This kid is, if he wants to come out, he may not. But this kid, his kid is really good to go on the road, to be his age, and he's just not bothered at all.

I get if you're a 32-year-old NFL quarterback, but that's intimidating. That is an intimidating place. You go on the road in overtime, and he's making throws, off platform. Wow. With that, Matt Hasselback, he loved to throw off platform. To his coach's chagrin sometimes. I'll tell you, this league is nuts.

This league is nuts. I want to start with Matt Stafford because Indy kind of gave this game away. When I watch Matt Stafford play, I'm not, I'm talking, if you just said, okay, you can't move out of the pocket, you sit in the pocket and you have to throw. I'm not sure there's three guys that have ever been better throwing from the pocket. What do you see with Stafford? Yeah, well, I agree. Indy did give the game away.

But no, listen, Matthew Stafford was the question coming into this season. Like, his health was the question. They've got this great roster, but he's 37 years old. He's got this back injury. He's walking around like he's constipated for four weeks. And we're like, oh, shoot, like, he's not going to be able to play this year. And he comes out, he looks amazing. It doesn't surprise me that he looks amazing throwing the ball,

but he looks amazing, like moving in the pocket. it, you know, like torquing his body, all those different things. I mean, look out, look out NFC. This is a team and this is a quarterback that does not fear the Philadelphia Eagles. So I think matchup-wise, what he's got going with Puka and Devante, I think this is a real threat to winning it all in the NFC because of Matthew Stafford. So I want to go back and talk about the Packers. So I said, pump the brakes.

Listen, older teams like McVeigh and Stafford, and these are veteran teams. They know how to close out games. The Eagles have a lot of older guys. The Chiefs do. Buffalo. Green Bay is a bunch of kids. I said Matt LaFleur is a coach. He's a chaperone.

It's like a college team. They're a bunch of kids. They don't know how to close out games. They're clock management. There's a reason Dallas's clock management is pretty good. Dax's really smart and he's been doing this for a decade. I think Green Bay is fine. I think part of this is Matt.

They've been the youngest team in the league for three years. They're just trying to figure out how to close these games. against inferior opponents. Yeah, well, it's a young league. And I also think, like, no one's really talking about this, but the two-minute operation has changed everything because of the new K-ball rule. Kickers, field goal kickers, their range just changed. Like when I was playing, I was the holder or the backup holder most of my career,

you had to get to the 33-yard line. That is no longer the line. And if you ask these kickers, they can kick a 65-yarder. And so the two-minute operation for quarterbacks, the new kickoff, the dynamic kickoff, And you got these quarterbacks who can spread it all around the field. I think you're going to see more exciting late game. A team's out of it, but they're not really out of it late in the game.

I thought offensively both offenses were pretty awesome. I thought the defenses, this will be a tough one to watch for both teams today. So I said it's weird. There's been, I mean, like I always felt like golf and baseball are sports because there's a lot of lag time. That sometimes in golf, you know, I've seen great. players like Greg Norman just evaporate. Or in baseball, I've seen great players like A-Rod go into a series that gets into his head and he can't hit. But in football, basketball, hockey, the sports are fast. You know, I mean, there's another snap, another shot. But I look at Lamar Jackson,

and I honestly think Kansas City's a bit in his head. I think he overthinks it. I mean, you take away the script, the first series. You know, he just, I mean, is it, or is it this, Matt? Spaggs is a great coach. He's now got six or seven games against him. He's got the beats on him. Maybe is it that? I mean, what is wrong with Lamar and the Chiefs? Yeah, I do.

Listen, I think there are some defensive coordinators that they don't feel, they don't fear certain great players. Lamar Jackson is no doubt a great player. But for whatever reason, Steve Spagnolo and the Chiefs, I don't think they fear him like the rest of the league does. In fact, I would put Mike Tomlin and the Steelers in that boat, too. Those might be the only two. The rest of the league fears him.

So this is a tough matchup for him. You know, and I think that, like, I just remember when I was in Seattle. They were, we felt like we could beat anybody. We felt good going up against, you know, Ray Lewis's defense, the Ravens. Like, we felt good about them. But, like, there were some teams,

we didn't feel good about, like Mike March, the greatest show on turf going up against his teams. Like, we just never felt good about that. Erlocker and the Bears, that wasn't a good matchup for us. For whatever reason, the chiefs, they feel like they've got a system and a game plan that works. with the Ravens and it's tough when it's such a rivalry game. And I wonder, I guess I would wonder if Lamar feels like he's got to put the team on his back

when he goes up against the Patrick Mahomes. That's what I would wonder because I think he's capable of just playing his normal game from the pocket, not taking so many sacks. But sometimes when he tries to put the team on his back and use his legs too much, I don't think it's the best thing for him. He's an MVP quarterback as a thrower from the pocket if he wants to be. So I thought in the early game, that was the most complete Steeler offense I have seen in years. And I thought Aaron looked lively.

He had a bounce. I thought, you know, they're running the ball now a little bit. They did. And my take is, does Aaron deserve credit for that? Because Pittsburgh can't get the O line of the run game right for seven years. And Aaron arrives, and it's like, you can always say it's luck, but they're now winning games that, I don't know, I just thought, what is it? Aaron looked, maybe it's the Guinness he had before. I thought he looked, really? I thought he looked 10 years younger, honestly.

Yeah, you joke about the Guinness, but I do think there's something about great elite quarterbacks who are doing it into their 40s. You got to not get bored. And I think that environment probably like, like was exciting for him. Getting D.K. Medcalf involved, I think unlocks this offense quite a bit. But in that Arthur Smith offense, there's a lot of leeway on the quarterback. Like a lot of plays, it could be a run. It could be a pass. It's It's kind of up to the quarterback to decide. The play caller kind of calls both. And you're an artist, not a blacksmith,

in terms of how you paint your canvas as a quarterback. And Aaron Rogers is great at that. I think leaning into more run game on those check with me probably does help the offensive line and ultimately helps the team. They looked really good. Their division doesn't look good. So this looks like a playoff team.

I just hope that they're in the honeymoon phase right now with Mike Tomlin and Aaron Rogers. I hope that they continue on this path and don't go kind of on that New York Jets path of last year and kind of forget how to help all 11 guys be successful, most of all up front with the offensive line. Okay, I want to talk a couple young quarterbacks. First of all, Drake May. We said he was Justin Herbert, but he didn't have the snaps. He's got the coach. Will Campbell looks like it's going to work. The rest of the O line, little shaky. The running game is good. I don't know. I watch. Drake May now. I've watched in the last three weeks. That looks like a hit. That looks like a franchise quarterback to me. What say you? Yeah, definitely. Still learning, though. I mean, three weeks ago, they destroyed Miami down in Miami. Two weeks ago, they played Pittsburgh, and they played way better than the Steelers. They just turned the ball over five times. And Drake was a part of two

of those. And so, like, that's, you know, I don't care how great you are from the 20 to the 20. If you're turning the ball over, that's not winning football. So he got that corrected. They got that corrected. That was a total beatdown against Carolina. That's kind of what I think people are excited about. So this is a team to watch. Mike Vrable, when you get the head coach right, get the quarterback right, you know, everything else kind of falls into line usually. So they got a big matchup. I think it's at Buffalo this week. Look out for this team. This was a team in a rebuild mode. They could very well be a wildcard team this year. So Jackson Dart, they generated and drew up several running plays. Was that because they saw a weakness in the defense or was that because they didn't

trust him in the pocket? I mean, it worked, but what was your takeaway in the Giants game plan? Yeah, Brian Daibald is not afraid to run the quarterback. And I actually think designed runs are the way to do it. You know, I think you ran the ball 10 times. Seven were on designed runs. I think it caught the chargers by surprise. They used Scataboo as a lead blocker. I think it's safer to do it that way. The element of surprise was there. It's not going to be there the rest of the year, though. Now everyone's seen it and they know. I think for a young quarterback, for me in particular, I remember when I would kind of have this like anxiousness or nerves or excitement going into a game,

I always felt better once I took a hit. And so that might have been part of it. Like, hey, let's get a design run. Let him take a hit that he knows is coming. And then he'll feel part of the game. What happened was the runs worked and they worked really well. And that first drive was epic. I think there's an excitement in New York right now.

I think dayball. I mean, he was practically trying to kiss Jackson. Dard after the game. That was pretty, pretty amazing. So I think they're really excited. I think, you know, they got a thing going here. I would just caution you, those design runs, people are ready for it. But there's other ways to do it. You know, I think they should copy a little bit of the Jane Daniels quarterback run game and use that for Jackson Dard. I think that'd be a great kind of like step two in the process for him with the QB run game. So I want to go back to Thursday and talk Darnold and the Seahawks with you combined with Minnesota. So Minnesota made a

an offer reportedly. But, you know, Sam, and I don't, I would have left if I was Sam. It's like, I love Kevin O'Connell, but I want to be a franchise guy. And the bottom line is J.J. McCarthy was drafted and they're going to play him. But I watched Minnesota yesterday with Carson Wentz, and I'm watching Sam Darnold Thursday. I've always thought he was elite. He won in high school, USC, Minnesota, Seattle. And I don't think anybody can win with the Jets and the Panthers.

Are you surprised? I mean, Seattle is young. They're like Green Bay young on offense. Are you surprised it's been this smooth for Sam? Well, John Schneider's done a great job, but listen, if Gino Smith hadn't forced his way out of Seattle, then Sam Darnold would still be on the Minnesota Vikings. I mean, that's, or at least he wouldn't be a Seattle Seahawk. I mean, that's the reality.

But no, he wanted to be with Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak was on Kyle Shanahan's staff when Sam Darnold went there to be a Niner, to be a backup and kind of take a step back to take two steps forward in his career, much like Mack Jones did this year, and he hit it off with his playcaller. When you have play caller and quarterback really loving each other, really finishing each other's sentences, that's when it clicks. And this offense is perfect for him. It's the same offense that Kevin O'Connell was trying to run. It's run game focused.

It's play action focused. It's really Kyle Shanahan's offense with a Clint Kubiak twist. And it's clicking. And like you said, this is a very young team, a talented defense. They don't have the blue chip weapons like other teams do. They have JSN. But truly and honestly, I think this is. a team that said, hey, let's take a 27-year-old quarterback with some scars from Carolina,

from the Jets, and let's use those scars to be a battle-tested quarterback when it matters. And I think that's what you're seeing out of Sam Darnold. His numbers are great. Yeah. And a fun watch, too. Sam is fun to watch. He's just got enough. He's got, I always said when he came out, he's got just enough reckless that you got to put

some structure in for him, but Andrew Luck was reckless. I mean, Josh Allen Early was reckless. A lot of these guys that, you know, I mean, it worked in high school and college. It works a lot of times in the pros. It is, I understand guys who sometimes wing it because it's worked most of their life. Well, there's a difference between like going through your progression. You say, you know, you go one, two, and then take off and run or try to use your legs. I think what Sam's done a great job of this year is he's gotten through number five in his progression.

He'll go one, two, three, four, five, and then run. And even when he does run, it's two hands on the ball, eyes downfield, not looking at the rush. And that's where success happens. And even when the play is broken down, some of their most explosive plays this year have been when he has started to scramble, eyes downfield, and he'll take a shot downfield to a JSN or someone like that. And that's quarterbacking. That's elite level NFL quarterbacking, not high school, freshman football, college quarterback quarterbacking. There is a difference.

And that's what it is. Matt Hasselbeck is always on a Monday. Crushed it. Thanks, bud. See it. Jay Mack, you wanted to criticize Jackson Dart. I don't think it's the time or the day, but it seems to me I'd watch the Jets tonight before I got too cocky. Jackson Dart, all I know is when I watched it, I try to think often how a fan would think.

If I was a Giants fan, and I'm watching all these young guys, I'm thinking, you know, I mean, Panics was terrible last weekend. You know, he's already been in Atlanta system for a year and a half, and he was terrible. He was good yesterday. my take is for a first start, at home pressure chargers, pretty impressive, I thought. Well, okay. So first of all, first impressions matter greatly, Colin, right? We know that.

First of you meet somebody for the first time, oh, that person's impressive. Close your eyes for a moment, and I'm going to give you this stat line. You tell me what you think for a first time starter. 13 of 20 for 111 yards passing, 54 yards rushing. Okay? Disconnect from the team, the quarterback alley that. If I told you that was his first start, you'd be like, I need to see way more. Colin, they had one drive that went over 50 yards the entire game.

And it was the scripted drive to open the game with a great touchdown run by dog. First start against Jesse Minter, who has made a lot of quarterbacks in the last year look incompetent. First start, New York, Jesse Minter, I'll just take the scripted drive and no turnovers. I'll be totally happy. Yeah, I just wonder how much of it. it was, hey man, Joe Alt goes down early. You're now, old was backing up Slater. So now both you have backup tackles, really a third stringer on the right side.

And Justin Herbert was just under duress running for his life. Didn't really have much of a chance. Ladd McConkey, one catch? I mean, listen, this was an outlier. If you want to make something of it, you can. I'm just telling you, like, we don't know if Jackson Darts the guy. Is that fair to say? I'm not standing as the guy.

I said the word is promising. If I'm a Giants fan, I'm like, okay, the Mets did. disappointed me and broke my heart again. Do you know the Mets didn't win a single game this year? Going into the ninth trailing. They didn't have a single only team in baseball. Come on. Is that real? No, no.

It's like whatever the number was. It's insane. They're like the Jets. Basically, the Mets are like the Jets. Just career losers, basically. All right. Folks, we got so much stuff. RG3 is going to be in last hour.

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Wild one last night. George Picking. He was on a heater. Listen, George Pickens is always good, but I mean, you have to look around the league right now. If you give most quarterbacks time to throw, they're going to eat you alive. And Dak Prescott and Jordan Love.

I mean, six TDs, no picks. And there's two or three things that are true. Field goal kickers have much greater range. More people are blocking kicks. And the quality and depth of quarterback talent in this league is, it's really good. more and more of these first-round quarterbacks are working. Drake, he's a hit.

Panics had a bad week and then had a really good week. So, I mean, I think the quarterback level in this league, in terms of overall talent, it's pretty good. I don't remember a time where there were this many good young quarterbacks. I mean, Sam Darnold's still 27. And you guys mocked me for years on it, and I kept saying he's got elite traits. Coachable, tough, a little reckless. I always said he better than Carson Wentz, not as good as Andrew Luck,

but somewhere in that space if he gets good coaching. And, I mean, the quarterbacks that we criticize like Kyler Murray are super talented. It used to be you'd just criticize a quarterback and he couldn't play. A lot of the quarterbacks people beat up on like, ah, Jared Goff can't move very well. That's one of the ones you're criticizing. Kyler Murray drives me crazy. Kyler Murray's talented.

So in these young guys, it used to be if you could get one big-time franchise quarterback, a draft. We used to always talk about, oh, the Marino Elway draft. We've had two quarterback draft classes in the last like five years where like five guys hit. I mean, Jalen hurts the second rounder he's hit. Jay Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. I'm still waiting for your top 10 quarterback list, Colin, at the quartermark of the season? Because three of those guys

were busts at their first stop and now they're flourishing. Let's get started, however, with a superstar quarterback, and that's Justin Herbert. Man, he was beat up. Brutal. This week, down both of his starting tackles. He got hit 12 times yesterday. It felt like more than that. Abdul Carter was in his face on every meaningful down.

Here's Harbaugh talking about the need to change that offensive line issue. That's very concerning. We'll go back and look at it. We've got to get better. We've got to put him in a better position. and don't think he was in her. He's been in a good position. We work on it.

We get better. Get back to work and regroup. Rethink. He's been hit 26 times in the last two weeks. Now, this is starting to remind me a little bit of Big Ben and Cam, where, and Josh Allen early, is that he can withstand it now. But these are punitive. These are the kind of things that take you from being old at 34, 33, to be.

being young, Matt Stafford, who I love, has sat in the pocket behind bad O-lines for years, and Matt's 37 and looks like Brady did at 44. Justin Herbert's great, but he is getting, they have got to get the O line right. Some of it's bad luck. Joe Alt is high ankle sprain. He will be back. But for big guys, high ankle sprains are a problem. So I'm looking at their next opponent because last week goes Broncos, we know they get after

the quarterback, and this week goes Giants. But is it the offensive line or is it the opponents? So next up Washington commanders, Dan Quinn loves to Blitz. The Blitz is not getting home as much as they would like. I personally think Chargers will be okay next week. Chargers, Washington's interesting because if Washington loses this, I would expect Jane Daniels back, right? They fall to two and three.

From NFC championship to two and three now, I know Daniels hasn't played for a couple weeks. But the Washington defense, did you see what Michael Pennix did to them? I think it's a get right spot for Herbert, Colin. Your thoughts on the offensive line? Is it a major concern or, hey, it's a week-to-week league. Like the dolphins in week six, they stink. They can't get to the quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I just think the Chargers defense will keep them in a lot of games.

I think this was a bad matchup. Yes. I said last week, stay away from the Packers game and stay away from the Chargers game. Those were two I just said. And I said stay away from the Bill Saints game is that New Orleans was humiliated. They're pro athletes. They were going to play well. The Giants D-line with the O-line issues and Herbert getting hit.

I said on Friday show, this is going to be low-scoring and ugly. And so this league is tough. And like Minnesota is a well-coached team. Minnesota looked awful offensively against Pittsburgh. Why? They were missing three offensive line starters so they couldn't adjust. Kevin O'Connell's smart. He couldn't adjust.

They couldn't run the ball. So you're stuck. So I just thought this was a combination of the Giants' defense is great up front. and once Joe Alt got hurt, game over. Trenches matter. All right, let's move on to the Eagles, Colin. You touched on this earlier. A nice little 90-second riff from you on Cooper DeGine

and this bogus, laughable 15-yard taunting penalty. It was basically the Alan Iverson stepover, if everybody remembers the Tileau thing for those listening on the radio. Iverson was way more obnoxious. I mean, Iverson kind of made a point. That one felt like football guy gets up and walks. and, by the way, moves his left leg up. He wasn't trying to sit there.

This was not like Scotty Pippen against the Knicks. That's not what this was. Yeah. I just, I need to say, Cooper DeGine is a bad, you know what. Okay, this guy is awesome. He is probably one of the best young defensive backs in the league. Colin, not only is he a hitting machine, but he's a playmaker. He's always around.

He's like a ball hawk. He's like an Ed Reed-ish type player. He wraps up. He's a great tax. It's an easy guy to root for. And I know you've seen, you know, I'm a hoops guy. You've seen his high school basketball reel, right? He's a dunking machine back in high school.

Like, this is a superior athlete. Yep. How about the Eagles drafting? Cooper DeGine and Quinyon Mitchell. Mitchell was unbelievable yesterday. This is an Eagles team that's pretty nasty, 20 and one. No, their issue is offensively. They have horrible halves.

Like, they're trying to get AJ Brown the ball, and they can't. Nine targets, seven yards. They're trying, and they can't do it. Yeah. By the way, did you see the Jalen Hertz? Not J.A. Brown Instagram thing that he posted yesterday? Yeah.

He's not in a good place. Final story, Colin to college football. I know you were in Champaign for what was supposed to be a celebratory Trojans win. And I don't know, man. Lincoln Riley's defense let down. USC did have an awesome comeback in the fourth quarter. Yeah. But they ended up losing a tough one 34.

The bottom line on this, you can blame Lincoln Riley, because they scored too quickly at the end of the game, that's not the issue. When you're on the road with college kids and you can score, score. You're not dealing with a 13-year NFL veteran at quarterback. This is not Stafford and McVeigh. If you can score, score, but defensively, they've gotten worse, and they've got size.

NIL, they went and bought a defensive line. They got no push. They got pushed around. They looked tired at the end of the first half. And I don't know if it's stylistic or it's, because of the way they practice. But Illinois that got completely humiliated by Indiana had over 500 yards. I was at the game.

Illinois does not have the kind of offense that should have 500 yards against any team in the Big Ten. It's not that kind of offense. You know these 19-20-year-old guys? They see Illinois got their doors blown off and they're like, oh, we're going in six-point favorites or whatever it was. And they got all cocky. I'll just say this. I think Jordan Mayava, I think you probably called this accurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry, Jaden Maiava. I think he's better than Archmanning. I'm not even kidding. I'm watching this kid. He's making plays left and right. He looks like a pro. I think he's good. They were missing.

They had their tight ends in the slot. They were missing their number two receiver for 90% of the game. Lemon's amazing. But, I mean, he made in this game, and I was sitting with USC people, he made four or five, and this is one of them. unbelievable throws. He is, I don't think he's a huge pro prospect. He's, I, I would disagree, Colin. He doesn't have a huge arm. He's more of a placement quarterback. He doesn't have a ton of horsepower. It's like 6.3, 2.15, man. He looks better than Nussmeier. I would take him over

Klubnick in a heartbeat. It's not even close. You're not right. This guy looks good, man. Well, let's see what he does against, you know, Michigan in a few weeks. But I was impressed by the quarterback. Jay Mackle the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Yeah, I just couldn't, I could not get over how bad USC's defensive front was.

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So Cam Ward is struggling. He's talented, but it is hard to be a rookie quarterback. quarterback in Jackson Darts feeling pretty good about himself. Last year was a big quarterback class, and we said we thought most of these guys outside of JJ McCarthy was the one I didn't really buy, but I liked everybody at certain levels. I loved Caleb and Jane Daniels, and I really like Pennix and Bownecks, and I thought Drake May also was going to make it. So Drake May won again yesterday, three touchdowns, 155 pass-er rating.

You can look at the highlights. size, temperament, accuracy, mobility. He's top six right now in total yards and total touchdowns. And he doesn't have a ton to work with. PFF and their preseason evaluation had New England as the second worst wide receiver group. So to me, head coach, Will Campbell looks like he's going to work. Head coach, left tackle, quarterback, renew your season tickets.

It looks like they found the guy. Special teams are excellent. So I would say if you look over last year's first round quarterbacks, here is the report card. Caleb looks promising. Jaden and Drake May, in my opinion, are hits. Michael Pennix, inconsistent like Caleb, but very promising. J.J. McCarthy, wasn't a huge fan. I have real doubts.

He looks overwhelmed. Bo Nicks, who plays tonight. I think that is another hit. He's been a shaky September quarterback, but good otherwise. and here's Mike Vrable on his young QB. Just throw to the guy that's open in the progression as soon as he's open. And then if not, quickly progress through. Those are the things that quarterbacks have to do and they have to have a command of it.

And we did that. If we continue just to believe in the quarterback that he's going to throw it to the guy who's open in the progression, that good things will happen. Okay. So I like getting up and having a football game on. that I live in Chicago most of the year, I don't like waiting till noon. When I used to live out east, waiting to one, it was like honey-dos, mow the lawn. Get me out of here.

Now I got to wait till noon, so I love international games. You know, bonjour. Smoke all day, wear socks, dress socks to bed, whatever. I'll turn French if I have to get more early games. I am a fan of it, especially a fan if you're a stealer, and you watch. Aaron Rogers yesterday. Like I've been saying this for years. Tomlin's fine.

The defense will make plays. They spend a bunch of money on it. It's not a real chaotic franchise. They can't run the ball. Their pass pro is shaky. I thought yesterday blew me away. 130 rushing yards. Aaron had only four balls

hit the ground. He and D.K. Metcalf clearly work. And again, this is against the real team. We're not talking Jets and Bengals here. It's a real defense with a real coordinator. So their offense has been struggling for seven years, and it was certainly the best offensive performance. And I'm not just talking stats. I'm talking pass pro, run game, facing a real team, time to throw, a connectivity with a star receiver.

I mean, Russell Wilson had a couple of big games last year. They didn't feel like this. So it's the first time I have watched the Steelers offense. I'm honestly, in years, and I was like, oh, they can win a playoff game. it's 2025. That's a real offense. So, I mean, they've got a star receiver, a smart veteran quarterback. They're good on third down.

They run the ball. There was holes. They were good in the red zone. I mean, it was, this is not the Steelers. I've watched for the last six years. And Brian Flores, I mean, honestly, you know what I felt like it was like that dysfunctional family member came out for a family vacation. and you're like, oh, he's got a job, he's not wearing a band t-shirt, he's got a sweater on, an acute girlfriend, he's talking about setting up a Roth Ira.

You're, oh, the dysfunctional brother and the family's all grown up. I felt like I watched the grown-up offense. You know, listen, and I've been critical of Aaron. Aaron look great. I was blown away with Aaron. It's my favorite bet of the week. I started O-N-1. But, yeah, J-Mac rolls his eyes.

You didn't win that one either. But I told you, stay away from the bills, stay away from the Chargers, stay away from the Packers, get out of those are traps. But I mean, you and I have been critical of Aaron Rogers, but we have to be fair in this business. He looked really young and really vibrant and really good. Did he not? Yes, I did whiff on the Vikings, and Rogers looked good. So they clearly knew that he was going to be in trouble under pressure, right?

Everybody knew that. They released the ball. I think it was the quickest Rogers had released it. this season. Everything was, boom, boom, get rid of the ball instantly. None of this, like, hang around and go through progressions. And Rogers delivered, like it was a good game plan. I will admit, Minnesota's offensive line killed them in that game. And you got a fluky 80-yard touchdown to D.K. Metcalfe to make it... Well, that's 14-3. That's not fluky. Come on. 80 yards. It's the longest touchdown of the season

so far. That's fluky. They're not replicating that. You know, that was a lucky play. And I know that sounds dismissive. It was 24-6 Steelers. him. We were way wrong. I was wrong. Carson Wentz. By the way, Carson Wentz, is there a quarter of that controversy in Minnesota anymore? Huh? Huh? What would JJ McCarthy done against that pass rush? I mean, it was, I don't want to make excuses, though. Like, the Vikings could not adjust. They didn't have the personnel.

Well, by the way, a lot of people going after Kevin O'Connell here, these dopey Vikings fans. Hey, I don't know. Kevin O'Connell, what's happening? Like, people are just overreacting. Carson Wentz did not look like he was ready. I think he got sacks six times, Colin. A lot of poor decisions in the pocket. I also want to talk about this. Let's talk Bears and Raiders for a second.

Okay, please, yes. So it was an interesting game. The Bears Raiders was interesting. It was really ugly. It was the opposite of last night, which was really beautiful offensive football and great quarterback play. So Gino was hideous.

Gino Smith had three turnovers. I still can't figure out Pete Carroll literally can't sleep at night if you throw one interception. Pete can't stand turnovers. He likes Gino. How many is he have now? Seven?

So Gino was atrocious, and the Bears needed a block field goal to win with four turnovers from their defense. So my takeaway, though, when you watch the Bears play is, I think you have to be honest about this. I don't think Ben and Caleb are ever. I mean, like, Brock Purdy and Shanahan, what Brock Purdy does is what Shanahan wants him to do. Right? And I thought, Sam Darnold and Kevin O'Connell.

That's how he wants his quarterback to play, where you've got some ceiling and upside. Yeah. Like, I think Caleb, the most impressive thing to me was that Caleb was making hard throws over the middle of the field, which a lot of smaller quarterbacks can't. He's not small. But it's not just that he completed the ball. is he kept his eyes downfield when he was running. He slid at the right time.

But he made some over, like that throw right there to Roma Dunze. That is a big time Matt Stafford throw. It's not just throws up the sideline. He sat that they could not block Max Crosby. They could not block him. And Caleb knew they couldn't block him. And Caleb knew they couldn't block him. So that's in Caleb's head.

They're on the road. They had, I mean, they had penalties. So to win inartistically, and Caleb making big boy throws down the middle of the field with Crosby bearing down on you. Here's Caleb after the win. I think those moments that we're born for, that I'm born for, and I think being able to portray the belief that, you know,

guys, this is all we got and this is all we need. We're in a position where we're not in a favorite position. We're down. it's all 11 of us on the field and we got to go do a job and so I think just the belief the trust the hard work that we put in those are the moments that you that you wish for I'm going to throw this out there though is that I do feel like Roma dunze and Caleb have a connection Cole commit who was with him last year they have a connection I mean Luther burden it's hit and miss DJ Moore can feel like he disappears throughout the first force

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