The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong, thoughts on Aaron Rodgers being tier 3, Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Colin tells you why he was right about Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh and why he was wrong on Arch Manning. Plus, he talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck about the Bears decision to sit quarterback Caleb Williams and what this tells us about his development under new head coach Ben Johnson He gives his thoughts on Aaron Rodgers now being on the tier 3 QB list this seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. We're ready to roll. We are live. It is the herd. Matt Haslbeck is around the corner. Quarterbacks, all of them. Joe Burroughs is playing. Everybody but Aaron and Matt Staver. They're not playing. And we'll get to the Matt Stafford back injury on that. It was fun. I sat and watched the Bears and Dolphins. I watched the Jets and the Packers. Boy, Jets looked like it's one of the great teams ever assembled in Lambo. It's always funny how good the Jets look in August.

It's just amazing. And they got Jones coming off the Pupplist. The kid at FSU who was awesome two years ago, missed all the last year. I'm just telling you that defense has a chance to be nasty. The front seven, Sauce Gardner got paid, he's happy. The defense will be a problem. No. I am with Aaron Glenn's defensive coach.

I don't doubt that. There you go. All right. We do it every Monday. It's more fun, obviously, than when we have football, Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin was right? Jim Harbaugh a couple years ago when he drafted Joe Alt.

Remember last year's draft? And everybody said, oh, he should have taken a receiver. Well, Tate, we defended him. We said, no, go Joe Alt. And Joe Alt is saving the season. Rishon Slater's out for the year at left tackle. They can move Joe Alt, who I've been told has had a great camp. They can now move him to the left tackle.

Mackay Beckton maybe goes to right tackle. But this is why he's the anti- Mike McDaniel. It's all about building center guard tackles out, not wide receivers in. And that Joe Alt-pick, everybody wanted a receiver. They got Ladd-McConkey in the second round. They were fine. That Joe Alt-pick could have saved the season. Where Colin was wrong.

Well, Arch Manning's family is saying he's staying at Texas two more years, so I will take for now around. wrong. I think if he slices up Ohio State, there is going to be incredible momentum. I think he's really good. I didn't watch a ton of them. I thought he was better than Quinn Ewers. More athletic.

Throws a better ball. For now, I'll take a wrong. I think it's the right thing to say, and the mannings usually say the right thing. So I'll take this L. Where Colin was right? Joe Shed Dolphins reporter reporting that

culture, accountability, and physical are what Mike McDaniels is preaching in this camp. What a shock. That's exactly what we've been saying, and we've gotten pushback from dolphin fans. My take is, a lot of sizzle three years into this coaching rain. Where's the steak? Where's the meat and the sandwich?

They're not physical. Tyreek Hill sort of says and does what he wants. What makes McVeigh or Shanahan or Andy Reed special is their teams are physical and they can be finesse. Finally, I at least appreciate the coach acknowledging what the issue is. Where Colin was wrong. 50 NFL executives and coaches came out in Mike Sandoz's annual survey, and they've got Bo Nix tied for the 20th best quarterback in the league. below Gino Smith.

Gino Smith's been in this league 11 years. He's made the playoff once. Bo Nix has been in the year in the NFL one year in a division last year with Herbert Harbaugh, Andy Reed and Mahomes in the AFC, and he made the playoffs. Sean Payton and I love Bo Nix. We're apparently on an island because they even have him below Tua,

who's smaller, not as ever. athletic, more injury prone, and I'd say bow nick slightly has the better arm. I don't get it. Where Colin was right? Well, not to pick on anybody, but the last two years, people have been telling me Quinn yours is something, and I keep saying, I don't see the great traits. Five of 18, two fumbles, sacked twice, I didn't get it at Texas. I don't get it. I don't see what everybody sees. Now, I know he dropped to the seventh round, but before the draft, people were. talking second, third, fourth, I don't see it.

You've got to have a trait I go wow with. Not a great anticipatory thrower. You know, he kind of slings it. Did not look like he was, I mean, he looked like it's a long way to go, and that's what I've been saying for two years. Where Colin was wrong.

I thought Jackson Dart was better than anticipating. I thought he threw with anticipation. I always, thought he was pretty athletic. I thought he looked really poised. I thought he looked really comfortable. You know, like a Bow Nix, maybe a little more athletic than I gave him credit for. But, you know, when he got drafted, I said, I probably wouldn't give up picks to draft him in the first round. But you have to be pretty happy. Twelve and nineteen, 154 yards. Again, looked comfortable, playing with backup offensive linemen, good arm strength. I thought he was impressive. I thought he was really impressive.

where Colin was right? I don't want to hear about Anthony Richardson's age, okay? He's heard again. Nobody cares about age and experience. You're in year three. You've got to be able to play. And so I had said this going into the season. He has Shane Steichen, one of the really bright offensive minds,

and he regressed last year. So he was a boomer, a bus pick. I just think by this time, You can't be taking those hits, and it feels like a mess. Where Colin was right? Even the NBA is acknowledging with their Christmas and opening day schedules, the league is lopsided. The Christmas games are the San Antonio Spurs against the Thunder,

Rockets, Lakers, Mavs, Warriors, T. Wolves, Denver. They have one Eastern Conference game and it's the next. The West is so much better than the East. honest to God it feels like the SEC and the PAC 12 for about 15 years. Even their opening night games are 100% Western Conference teams. And that's with big brands out east. Philly, New York, Heat, Celtics. So we've said this before.

You put LeBron and the Lakers out east. They can compete. Luca LeBron, Austin Reeves, could compete. to get to the Eastern Conference Finals. They're a five seed, probably, maybe a six to a seven in the West. And with that, oh, I'm interesting. Interested, excuse me. And Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL.

I'm very interested in. And you are interesting, Colin. You are interesting. It's supposed to be a little. Okay. First, I'm going to start with, I'm jealous because you, and I love this, took the train and went to a Nate Burgossey. He's a great comedian in Boston,

last night. You just got back. I think he's absolutely outrageously funny. So I'm just going to say right now, I'm not only jealous of your pro career, but your comedic choices. So congratulations, you're a little road weary, and I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. But listen, you were at the Liv Tour, so it's not like you had a boring weekend. I mean, come on. Let's not lie here. Okay. So I said, it's okay if you don't want to play Caleb Williams, but I do think it was a little strategic. Burrow played, Mahomes played, Spencer Rattler played, everybody but Tom Brady played.

Like the whole world played this weekend. And it was almost like he was saying, you know, he's not quite there. I don't need another week of heat from the Chicago media. He took a lot of snaps in practice. It felt a little strategic. Did it not? Yeah, I sort of agree.

I mean, everything that Caleb Williams does because he was the first pick overall, because they basically got rid of everyone around him last year, built the team around him this year. Everything he does is under the microscope. So, yeah, I'm sure there is some of that protecting him. There's also something with joint practices now where coaches don't feel like they need to play their ones in the preseason game

because they get those reps in a controlled environment where guys don't take hits, where the quarterback wears a different color jersey, and you know, you're keeping your guy healthy. And I think that might be part of this also. So if there wasn't a joint practice, I think he would have played in the game. Okay, so I said this earlier about Jackson Dart. You and your generation got thrown to the wolves. You didn't have 10,000 snaps by the time you were 14.

Jackson Dart is a three-year starter in the SEC with Lane Kiffin. It's had private coaching, seven-on-seven. I don't want to hear about, you know, we're going to work him in. It's like, you know what, Matt, they got a great, left tackle, a number one receiver. I think Brian Dayball is a pretty darn good offensive coach. Maybe you give Russell the first start. This is not Anthony Richardson. 41 college starts in the SEC with Lane Kiffin. Why would you not just figure out if the kid can play? Yeah, I hear what you're saying. And I'm actually just peeking at some of the ages of some of the rookie

quarterbacks. I mean, just because the guy's a rookie doesn't mean he's the youngest guy. Bo Nix was 25 years old as an example. But no, I did. I grew up in the era of, you know, you sit on the bench for a while. I mean, Tom Brady did that. Aaron Rogers did that. I know that was my experience as well. I think that New York Giants have been burned.

And so they are really sticking to the plan. They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks in leadership, in process-driven guys who've been there, done it, made mistakes, had success. and James Winston and Russell Wilson. So I think they're going to be slow and measured and patient with Jackson Dart, who they do like a lot. But I don't think he's ready.

And I do think the best plan is to start a guy like Russell Wilson and let Jackson watch. But here's the danger. Don't just have him sit there and watch. Train him and prepare him to play the way that Patrick Mahomes was trained in preparing to play when he was sitting back watching Alex Smith. start during his rookie year at the Kansas City Chiefs. There's that there's activeness to the passivity of being the backup if you do it right. So I watched every snap Shadour Sanders took and I know there's a lot I don't know film study,

galvanizing teammates coachability of pre-snap stuff. I've always understood that's 30, 35, 40 percent of quarterback. I don't see that. But I do see how comfortable, Are you frenetic? Are you comfortable? Are you confident? Do you move well? All the stuff that I'm allowed to see, I think Shadur's college traits transferred to the NFL. I think he was accurate. I'm tired of hearing he's a pocket guy. He moves. I have highlights. He moves fine. I don't know how he is off. I don't know film. But I was impressed with him. Why should I not be? Yeah, I think there's a lot of encouraging things there. I mean, on the field, he's a guy that looks like he belongs.

I don't think he's going to be their starting quarterback this year. I think Joe Flackle will be their starting quarterback. And it's just a weird situation because they've got four guys and someone's got to go. You would think, well, Kenny Pickett's missed so much time in training camp. He really hasn't been around. And then the young quarterback, Gabriel, he's, you know, he's been injured also. So this is this is an opportunity for Shador. Sure. My big question is, will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep four quarterbacks?

And courage is the word I'm using because it's like no one else does that. It doesn't make any sense. But, you know, Ray Rhodes, one of my old head coaches used to say, hey, we're going to kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer at this position. And it's like, you know, that's not the best way to kill a mosquito, but I get the point. We're going to overdo it. And I think this is a quarterback that has, this is a team that has gone without a quarterback. for so long that they might just say, hey, listen, it's that important of a position. We like what we have here, the traits that he's showing.

Let's hold on to him and develop him. On the field, he doesn't give me pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all. Off the field and what he's like in the locker room, that's the part that I just don't know. There are some red flags, but it's hard for me to sit here and judge that from where I'm sitting. But I just know that, you know, being the backup quarterback to someone like Joe Flacco, So you're probably not going to have a guy walking with you on your entrance, getting off the bus this year.

It's going to be a different feeling from being the star quarterback in college to potentially, you know, the second third or maybe even fourth string quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. So Burrell played, I don't want Aaron Rogers playing behind backup offensive lineman at his age. I don't. I don't want Kirk Cousins playing. We'll get Stafford in about three minutes. But I just want to ask Burrell played Mahomes played. Did you want to, when you were not your last year, but I'm talking about maybe four years left to play.

So you don't want to get hit. And you know the game and you know the reads. But did you want to be out there in preseason? Yeah, absolutely I wanted to play. And like when Mike Holmgren was the head coach, like we basically had this kind of agreement. And he basically was like, all right, you can play until you take a hit. Like until you take an unnecessary hit or until you take a hit. you know, the tough thing for me as a starting quarterback,

I would feel bad for my offensive linemen because they had to stay in the game as long as I was in the game. And so, like, you know, I'm putting them at risk. Maybe I'm not at risk, but I'm putting them at risk. You know, and so, like, usually I think, like, after about a quarter, you're feeling like, okay, it's time to go. Now, the one thing that I did, like, and I thought was really good in terms of process,

is I liked, you know, coming in at halftime, getting used to that halftime break, and then coming back out and having a drive. or right before the end of the first half, getting a chance to work on two minute with all your new hand signals with any players that are new players on your team. Those things are really valuable

that you don't get to simulate in practice. But sure, you want to compete, you want to be out there. And usually you need the coaches to say, no, no, no, time for you to sit down. You don't get to play anymore today. So Matt Stafford did not, he's not even dressing for practice.

And as I've aged, I feel pretty good. My back isn't great. I wake up, need to stretch. Matt Stafford's got a back injury. He's taking a lot of hits, most of them in Detroit. Is that worry you a little? Well, your back doesn't surprise me, first off, okay?

Sitting is the new smoking. You sit all day long, so your back probably feels like trash. No, I am concerned about Matthew Stafford's back. I had a bad back injury in 2008. Usually you can tell how bad a quarterback's back injury is if the team sends him to California to see Dr. Bob Watkins. If they do that, you know, it's serious. Now, it's a little harder here because he's already in L.A.

But, no, I'm concerned. I'm definitely concerned if you take the factors of his age and all those types of things. Listen, in 08, I hurt my back in a preseason game against Jared Allen and the Minnesota Vikings. It was just like this weird thing. It wasn't that bad, but it never got. got better. It like never got better that entire year. And you know, the closest thing I could

equate it to is like you burn your mouth like on a hot piece of pizza or something. And it just, it doesn't get better quick. And that's kind of what the back injury typically is. There's all different types of back injuries, but they just don't seem to get better quick. And then even if they do get better, you've missed all this time of like heavy weight training or physicality that goes into your off season. And you're just not the version of yourself that you normally are. So I'd be very concerned if I was a Rams fan right now just because Stafford is valuable and it's just not a great place to be up in there. Okay, so JJ McCarthy made one really good throw. It was a heater and then on another throw he badly overthrew an open receiver and it was a heater. And I've

heard these comments. They're trying to get him to do some off speed stuff. Everything. I remember when Kaepernick was in that was the knock like everything's a fastball. And I think to myself, I mean, he's been playing since he was probably seven. Like they're teaching him how to play quarterback. I mean, I don't know. I look at that and I think you don't hear very often we're a first round quarterback. You're trying to get, you know, trying to the tempo of the speed of the ball. I'm like, that's, I mean, Kevin O'Connell's probably a great teacher.

But what do I, what do I, I watch them. And I thought, it's fine. But like, there is kind of one speed. What do I make of those comments? Well, he's got good coaches. Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown. We trust those guys. But to me, I would say you've got to use the other clubs in your bag.

It can't be driver three with two iron, four iron. Sometimes there's a nine iron in there. There's a sand wedge. I mean, there's phrases in the quarterback room like KYP, know your personnel. If you're throwing to certain guys, it's got to be a different club. Sometimes you're throwing over defenders instead of through lanes. And so those are all things that I think come with experience. he played a lot at Michigan, didn't throw the ball a ton at Michigan.

But I think what J.J. McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles that you cannot coach. I think you can coach what club in the bag are you using. I think you can coach that. I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now. I think this is a good team. I think this quarterback will have a good year. But certainly the analogy that you used with a young Colin Kaepernick, I think that's a great example of a guy that, you know, has a great arm,

make very strong arm, can throw a tight spiral, throw it far. But the clubs in the bag is certainly a thing. Matt Hasselbeck, road weary. I mean, just literally racing in front of his screen to get on the show, buddy, and I always appreciate that, the effort. Awesome. See you, Colin. All right. Matt Hasselbeck. Yeah, it's, I think his comment on Shador was mine.

60% of this quarterback position, we can all see. We don't see the 40%. And that is, Shadur's got to be really good at that. Dak is, Jalen Hertz is. Brock Purdy is, because they're not, their traits aren't exceptional. Shindor's traits aren't exceptional. But if I have to hear again, he's just a pocket guy, no, he's not. He can move.

He moves better than a lot of quarterbacks in this league. And he's also, it matters, he's in his athletic prime. For the next seven years, he's in his athletic prime. So I thought I looked pretty good. I thought he looked like he did in Colorado. Accurate, mobile enough, arms good enough. It matters. One more herd?

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So this is interesting from the athletic Mike Sandoz annual quarterback survey. He has 50 executives, GMs, assistant GMs, some coaches, some coordinators. It's very thorough. It's a wide swath of different opinions. Here's what's interesting. The entire offseason for Bo Nix has been, you know, Sean Payton loves him.

Everybody that goes to the Broncos, his teammates love him. Yet in this survey, tier one, two, three, four, five level quarterbacks, Bo Nix only gets four tier two. votes. Drake May and Kayla Williams both get five. And Kayla Williams at this point, it's hard to find good news. And Drake May doesn't look right now close to Bo Nix in terms of production. So it's almost like the NFL is saying, yeah, Sean Payton's great. Bo Nix has a very, very low ceiling. Now, Jaden Daniels got 17 Tier 1 votes. Bo Nix got none. Jaden Daniels got 31 tier two votes.

Bo Nix got four. And Bo Nix had more touchdowns, more passing touchdowns, more completions, tougher division, tougher conference, and made the playoffs. So what the NFL execs are telling you, is Jaden Daniels is a superstar. Bo Nix has a really good coach. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's go to a quarterback. in the AFC column, the number one overall pick, Cam Ward. He made his preseason debut against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Saturday. Ward was a crisp 5 of 8 for 67 yards, connected a few times with Calvin Ridley. They had a nice touchdown drive. Coach Brian Callahan knows there's more work to be done despite the impressive showing.

Camp certainly hasn't arrived yet. We've got a lot of things still. We're working on. I thought it was a good start for him. Encouraging. It was productive. but yeah, there's a couple of things that we're going to keep kind of grinding on, I think.

Still working on, getting the ball out fast, still working on the timing part of it. There's certainly plenty of things that we're still working on with Cam. I thought he looked really comfortable. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't think he has much to work with at wide receiver.

He doesn't have a one or a two. He's got a bunch of threes and fours, but I don't know. I think he's just, I think you and I would both agree. It just looks right. He's got an offensive coach. I think his offensive line is fine. I feel like they never have enough.

Even when they had A.J. Brown, I always feel like the Titans are weapon light, right? But I thought he looked good. Interesting that he was the number one overall pick. We only get him to him 90 minutes into the show. Meanwhile, fifth round pick, Shadour Sanders is in a tunneled shatter video that goes viral. Everybody's breaking down all his passes. Cam Ward doing it quietly. Colin.

I spent some time looking into the Titan's schedule, which is a reason I'm bullish on them. So 10 of their final 15 opponents are not favored to make the playoffs, meaning they have them currently out of the playoffs. Their back end of the schedule, final 15, 10 of them. They're going to be like a tight point spread in those games. Colin, this is a team. I think we legitimately need to watch. Remember last year, Will Levis, four pick sixes.

I think the Titans led the NFL in. turnovers. This could shockingly be a 10-win team in Tennessee with Kimball. Yeah, I mean, I think the division you play in goes along. I mean, it helped Jane Daniels that he got

Dallas twice and the New York Giants twice. Like, it does help. And I also think, you know, you play in that division. Not a lot of, you got some dome games. You got warm weather road games. I mean, and say what you want, it is harder for a young quarterback or any quarterback to playing lousy weather, you know.

So, I mean, it's kind of a warm weather conference. There's no dominant team. There's no dominant defense in the conference. If you start looking at a lot of those teams around him, he's not, he could be playing with leads or very close games. So, and I, you and I both like Callahan, I think he knows what he's doing. I think, you know, the Titans need. If you told me that Titans, like, had a number one, had a neighbors, like had a legitimate number, even a Ladd-McConkey, like a slot guy that's going to get 80 catches, like I would feel different.

I just think they're going to have to win 21-20 a lot. Yeah. Well, these first two games are really brutal. Out of the gate, they've got to go to Denver at altitude. I think that's the biggest spread of week one. I think I saw seven and a half. Then they host the Rams. Maybe they catch him napping.

After that, I don't want to say it's smooth sailing. I'm down on the Colts, Cullen, and when you were out Friday, I floated this. What if the Colts get the number one pick in the draft? Does Arch Manning come out to go to Indy where Peyton, his uncle, kind of sort of thrive? I think the Colts are going to be bad. I'm really down on them after that preseason game and some of the stuff I've been reading. I think that division, the Titans, could win it, could win the division. Well, it's not crazy.

There's a lot of people like Houston. Well, they should. They have a proven coach, a playoff coach, and a playoff quarterback. How's that offensive line there, buddy? All right, let's move on to the second story. Let's go to the Cowboys. They have the league's highest paid quarterback in Dak Prescott. But that's not the signal caller Jerry Jones was praising ahead of their preseason game against the Rams.

I'm sure you saw this video. Here's who Jerry believes he got for a steal. I really have to pinch myself that we got him. after the last game that he had starting there for New England. I'm just excited that we had a chance to get him. And he hasn't disappointed. We're just more and more encouraged by what we're seeing. That's your boy.

Joe Milton, 17 of 19 for a book 43. Shadur got a little poster. Where's Joe Milton's poster? I'll say this. Dude's got an arm. He's a little inconsistent. But he's got an arm. He's got a lot like me.

Anyways, final story, NBA, Kyle. Look at this. Late August, we've got NBA because it's Luca Donchitz. Now, I know you're not paying attention to Eurobasket right now, but Luca was absolutely cooking for Slovenia, 19 points, 5 assists in just 24 minutes. And then it gets interesting. There is a report, as Luca Donchich's teammates,

praised his leadership. And the new look, Luca, there's a report that, he is down 30 pounds this summer. Now, I don't know how accurate that could be. Could you lose 30 pounds in the summer if you're not doing like one of these GLP drugs? He looks thinner, but he was on fire in Eurobasket. He looked amazing. Revenge season is closing in for Luca.

Yeah, no, and we've said this Luke, this is like year two, Luca, is he was unstoppable. He was 40 a night if he wanted to score that. And because he's in great shape, he'll play. more minutes and he'll want the ball more, this will be the first year in LeBron's career where you will notice how much better the best player on a team is than LeBron. Because LeBron's not going to get the ball in his hands nearly as much. Last year was Lumpy Luca. Oh, stop.

I mean, it was. I mean, if you lose 30 pounds as a pro athlete, he didn't weigh 300. You know, I mean, so, I mean, he looked at it, just look at his upper body. He looks much thinner. He's going to play more minutes, and he's going to dominate the ball. He couldn't dominate the ball last year. He couldn't beat people off the dribble. First year, he had like 25 dunks.

Last year he had won. He was a different player. This Luca will be noticeably better than LeBron. LeBron will average 22 a game, and Luca's going to average 30. Yeah. Listen, I'm excited. I know he's not a big media guy, but a lot of reports he's going to be moving into the South Bay out here in L.A. Colin, if I can get him on the show, come on.

I know you'd be thrilled, right? Come on, I'll be seeing him at the Dunkin' Donuts, the adult beverage shops. We know he likes his sweet tooth. I cannot wait for Luca to dominate the season. Yeah. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Matt Hasselbeck was money. We have Chris Sims coming up in the next hour. It is, I also, I was talking this weekend. And I think I have two more opportunities. I think Wednesday or Thursday, I have two more opportunities. Let's make it Wednesday to alter my NFL predictions.

Now, I always do it on Thursday of opening night. That's my final opportunity. And so I think the starting quarterbacks in the league got some snaps. Now I don't think they're going to get as many. Nobody's going to get hurt. So on Wednesday, I will give you my updated version with one more left. And last year, if I recall my updated version and my season opening version, there was only one change.

But one of the changes I'm thinking of making is having Green Bay win the division. And all off-season, I've said, I don't even know what to do with the Packers. Chicago's noisy, J.J. McCarthy's noisy, and Detroit looked awful. the only time I've watched them, looked awful. There is something, there's a lot of different ways to win a division in the NFL. One of them is continuity and quiet. And boy, Green Bay has been quiet. I don't care what they looked like with the Jets.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Saturday, it's baseball night in America, as AL MVP frontrunner, Aaron Judge, leads the Yankees against the Cardinals, or the AL Central leading tigers take on the twins. Check local listings for the game in your area Saturday, 7 Eastern on Fox. Listen, the best roster in the league that doesn't have the knowledge

that they have a really high-end quarterback, arguably is Minnesota. I mean, Detroit, great roster, golf can sling it. Philadelphia, a great roster. We know Jalen can play. Baltimore, great roster, Kansas City, a great roster, quarterbacks. Minnesota's got a great roster. They don't know if they have the right quarterback. And the one thing I will say, and I watch J.J. McCarthy, I've always said this. I don't think Michigan, like Alabama was saving, kind of prepared him for the NFL, always played with a lead, rarely got hit, great running game, didn't throw a ton, didn't have to get in shootouts,

always had the best coach and roster. I thought he was okay. It does feel like this entire preseason has been about him gaining his confidence. And I think self-doubt is something we all have. But for quarterbacks and surgeons, when you go into the emergency room, I'm not looking for that. I need almost a delusional level of playing confidence, not arrogance, but real confidence. And I think they're trying to build them up. And I think that's a tough spot.

It's a very good roster. Again, it may not be Philly or Baltimore. It's close. It's definitely in that Denver area where you're like, not a lot of holes. A lot of, and maybe miss no number one receiver in Denver. Maybe they're missing, you know, I don't know, do they have a number one corner in Minnesota? Maybe, maybe not. But they're not missing much.

Here was J.J. McCarthy after this weekend's preseason game. I feel like Keo just thought of this as checking another box. Like, he really wanted to see the operation and just, you know, the fundamentals and doing the simple things at a high level. And I feel like we did that today. It was a huge kind of growing rep that I felt like, you know, just injects confidence in my veins going to the next one. So there's a little bit, it feels like, a little bit of a baby steps process.

This is not a baby steps coach. It's not a baby steps roster. It's not a baby steps receiving card. This is Super Bowl roster. Detroit, Philadelphia, or Super Bowl. rosters, Baltimore, Kansas City, Buffalo, those are Super Bowl rosters. I think Minnesota is.

And so, you know, I mean, Kevin O'Connell, we already know they were willing to sign Sam Donald for the right number. So that's pretty obvious. Now that's not, that has been reported. They told Sam, right number, we'll resign you. You know, he got 15 more million a year

or 10 million more a year with Seattle. no state tax in Washington, that's a good move. Like, Sam should have taken that and be the guy without somebody breathing down his neck. But it's a, this is a Super Bowl roster. The other thing I've heard a lot about in the reporting by people I think are really good in Minnesota is, you know, everything's a fastball. We want to scale that back. It's got kind of a Kaepernick feel where it's like, you know, Kaepernick came in and it was like,

I mean, it was like Nolan Ryan. If the breaking ball was off, it wasn't a good outing. Like, we always knew he threw fast. McCarthy's got he's got zip on it here's hassle back on that whole tempo and developing an off speed throw I think what j jay McCarthy has he's got the intangibles that you cannot coach I think you can coach the that what club in the bag are you using I think you can coach that I'm a I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now I think this is a good team I think this quarterback will have a good year but certainly the analogy that you used with a young Colin Kaepernick I think that

that's a great example of a guy that, you know, has a great arm, a very strong arm, can throw a tight spiral, throw it far, but the clubs in the bag is certainly a thing. So it is interesting because he is an often discussed player, Aaron Rogers, in the athletic pole. If you're just tuning in, you haven't watched today. The athletic has a 50-person survey annually from Mike Sando. It's great. And by the way, these things fluctuate. A few years. years ago, Deshawn Watson was up there in, you know, like tier two-ish. So these things fluctuate. And it's mostly very, very predictable. Aaron Rogers was 16th. So Aaron Rogers was in tier three. I think that's where he is. He is now a pocket quarterback. He's not taking snaps

in the preseason. I think he's a beautiful, he's a pretty quarterback, but he didn't want to take hits. And I think, you know, Matt Stafford is willing to sit in the pocket. That's also why Matt Stafford may have a bad back right now. But if that's where Aaron Rogers is, when I hear this Steel City Savior, guys, take the name away. 16th is in line with Drake May. You know, like Drake May is not even in arguably his athletic prime. So right now, Aaron in the preseason, he's a headset guy.

He's not taking a hit guy. So I don't think that's a knock on him. the NFL executives think he's right in the middle of the pack. And that's what I've said. The one thing about Aaron, and I do not blame him at all, he doesn't want to take a hit. So there's going to be stuff like Sodor Sanders had a moment Saturday or Friday when he was going to take a hit

and he stood in there and made the throw. Not everybody's going to do that. Old Court of Eli Manning didn't want to do that at the end. Tom didn't want to do that at the end. So what's interesting about Tier 3, you're watching or listening to my show. Trevor Lawrence and Aaron Rogers are both in Tier 3. So let me ask you, you're a general manager. You can choose either for the next two years to lead your franchise.

Who would you choose? I would choose Trevor Lawrence. He's in his athletic prime. He's still going to sit in that pocket and take a hit. He's totally committed in the offseason. not a shot at Aaron, but he's mostly committed. And I think that stuff matters. And I think at this point, Trevor's a much better athlete.

Trevor can run still. So even in the tier three, and you kind of say, oh, I would take Bo Nix over Aaron. I think he's much more athletic at this point. And he's also more malleable, more coachable at this point. He's totally committed in the offseason, spent the off season, a lot of it with Drew Brees. So even in this tier three that Aaron's at, I would take Trevor to start today. I would take Bo Nix to start. I would take Drake May to start.

Bryce Young is I'm just I need more I need another half season but I would say even though here he's top of tier three with with Kyler Murray if I was going to pin down all those GMs and say two years commit to the quarterbacks I think he'd be at the bottom of tier three so I think when Pittsburgh fans are seeing Aaron as a savior be very careful could I say this Russell Wilson is the top quarterback in Tier 4. Is Aaron today closer to Russell Wilson than he is Bownex?

I think he is in terms of, doesn't have his fastball athletically, and I don't think he wants to sit and take big shots. So that's an underrated part of being quarterback. And by the way, since 2022, this is with Matt LaFleurr and the J. And, you know, so this is two different teams. Aaron Rogers has a worse completion percentage than Daniel Jones and fewer touchdown passes than Derek Carr. And a lower pass rating than Russell Wilson.

So you may cringe when I say he's closer to Russell than Bo, but that's what the numbers say. And one of those years is with Matt Lafleur and Green Bay's offensive line. So this is not a knock on Aaron. I think the athletic got it right. I think Aaron and Russell are kind of in that 16, 17, 18, 8. spot. So whereas nobody in New York sees Russell as the savior, I think there are people in Pittsburgh that see Aaron is the savior and it's like, no, no, no, that's not, that's not, happiness is directly correlate or connected to expectations. If you look at Aaron and think,

here's a realistic errand year. Let's get 15 starts, 24 touchdowns, nine picks, and you go go 9 and 8. They may not do that. That feels, you're not going to have any rushing touchdowns. He's going to complete 63, 64, lead the NFL and throwaways. That's 8-9-9-9-8 feels like realistic. Hey guys, it's us.

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