The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Why Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft both belong in the HOF, Tom Brady

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady joins the show to tell Colin about the prep process for playing in the Super Bowl, what he sees from this Patriots team and why both Belichick & Kraft clearly deserve to be in the Hall of FameSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome in. We're live in L.A. It's the herd. You know, I like going to the Super Bowl when Fox has it because we travel with a lot of people and the staff's there and we go out for dinner and it's a lot of fun. But I saw somebody said the other day, Megan Rapino said, you know, sports is about inclusion. I think sports is mostly about competition. If it was inclusion, people wouldn't get cut in high school, college, and pro sports, right?

Inclusion's great, but the bottom line of sports is standings, first, last, cut day. I always think that about the Super Bowl. We're trying so hard to get the Super Bowl in all these different locations. Put it in Miami. Where in America are you guaranteed to get usually? Now, I know it's snowing in Florida this week, but in my lifetime, where is the weather good in February? It's not California. L.A. 2nd, Arizona's kind of second-ish, Miami.

I am four Super Bowls in one place. Santa Clara, nobody in San Francisco ever goes, what do you want to do, have lunch today, where you want to go? Santa Clara. To me, the Grammys are held in one spot. Marty Graz held in one space. They dropped the ball in Times Square. Why do we have to move Super Bowls to multiple locations?

You know, these owners, they want the action in their hometown. I went to a Super Bowl in Jacksonville. Nothing against Jacksonville. I remember that, like 2004-ish. One hotel. They had to bring in cruise ships for rooms. They had such a shortage of taxis in Jacksonville. These are great people.

They tried so hard. They had such a shortage on taxis. I was with a producer, Chad. you sat in ballet waiting for it. There was no Uber back then. There was no Uber lift. Taxis were it. And they were calling on local citizens to help.

At one point, a van pulls up. And he opens the back door, and there was, like, surgeon gloves and rope. And I'm like, that's Buffalo Bill, Silence of the Lambs. Like, I can't get in the van. Like, Jacksonville's a great town. Should not host Super Bowls. Right?

Like in Santa Clara, nothing against Santa Clara, but it's like nobody in San Francisco goes there for lunch. Miami is such a great place for the beach. It's international. It's fun. It's an NFL city. The weather's good. There's places to hang out for, you know, and just enough places for players to get into trouble.

Yeah. Hot people everywhere. Do you remember the Super Bowl in Detroit? It snowed significantly, like 2005-ish. All the parties had to be indoors. And Michigan's amazing. And Detroit's great. They've redone down.

Not in February. It's not. Yeah, I mean, it's what it is. So we were talking about Mike Grable, and so Robert Kraft didn't get into the Hall of Fame, which I think he got slighted. How's Jerry Jones in? And Robert Kraft is not in. He's got 11 Super Bowls.

The New England Patriots had the worst record in the NFL, the previous five years, to Robert Kraft owning them. Since he's owned them, they have the best record in the NFL. Multiple coaches, multiple quarterbacks. I don't, I don't. So anyway, Mike Vrabel was sort of asked about the Patriot job. And remember, he was the hot coach on the market.

You were the hottest name on the coaching cycle this time around. Presumably you had your pick of job. So personally, professionally, what really separated this choice among the others? Well, I think that the ability to have open dialogue with Robert and Jonathan was something that was critical. Elliot and his staff, obviously, what I believe and what everybody else believes is a young dynamic quarterback. Yeah, he said open dialogue with the owner.

Mike McCarthy had the Dallas Cowboy job and left on his own accord because they didn't have open dialogue. What Jerry perceives as open dialogue, dialogue is not really open dialogue. Like Robert Kraft, you can push back. I mean, I always thought it was interesting. Belichick was so deeply bothered that Robert Kraft one time stepped in and had a

personnel opinion. Remember that? Like he said, you're not getting rid of Brady. We'll move off Jimmy Garoppolo. That was the one time Robert Kraft stood up and said, no, no, no, no, I'm going to be, I'm going to meddle in football. You do realize Kraft was right and Belichick was right. wrong is that Jimmy Garoppolo was not the future. Tom won another Super Bowl. Tom was still

great. Tom was great seven years later when he was in Tampa and he decided to retire. So, you know, it's when you can get an owner who, and I've said this, a lot of these owners, a lot of these billionaires, they strangely still like pinch pennies on coaches. It's just, I remember when the Chargers had an opening. And I know Dean Spanos, because he's told me this a couple different times, occasionally listens to our show. And I was literally sending a direct message to him on the show. I'm like, pay for Jim Harbaugh. Pay for him.

They'd gone, in my opinion, kind of cheap on coaches. And it had cost them. I'm like, SoFi, the L.A. market. It's not San Diego. Pay for Harbaugh. I had dinner with Dean six months later. He's like, it's better than I thought. There are so many unintended or unknown benefits to hiring a Vrable and a Payton or, you know, a John Harbaugh now with the Giants.

That will pay itself over the next two years on stuff you didn't even understand. So here was Albert Breer yesterday on sort of Mike Braebel's path to the Super Bowl. What he's evolved into is the total package as a head coach, leadership, relationships, scheme, game management, roster building. I just think when you're talking about the totality of what a head coach is, Mike Frable checks every single box. I just think Mike has grown into becoming the total package as a head coach. Yeah, and I said this yesterday, most ex-players, you know, a lot of guys,

who would become head coaches in the NFL. Maybe they played college football, but they weren't like NFL players of note. There's an argument, Vrable is the best ex-player that's been a head coach, an ex-player of some renown that you know. Now, Mike Ditka qualifies. I don't think, I think Vrabel, soup to nuts, kind of manages the whole component of coach better than Ditka did.

I think he's just You know The NFL tends to be a credit league So if you're bad and get good Everybody wants credit And I've said this before

I think the Patriots Are underrated Very rarely does a team get to a Super Bowl And They're underrated But because the Patriots Lost to the Steelers and the Raiders in September

and people just sort of, okay, they're at the one o'clock window games. And I remember when they kept losing early, and I've got it on tape, I kept saying, folks, do not judge the Patriots in September. Between free agency and the draft, they've got like 12 new starters. You've got to give this team to late October. And I said it. That's why I've said most of the year when the Patriots were winning, you got to forget the Steelers loss, and you got to forget the Raiders'

loss. Okay, no starters do not plan preseason. Free agents, draft picks. This team will be fully baked by Thanksgiving. And they are. And with that, Tom Brady, he is joining us now live, seven times Super Bowl champ.

So, you are known for preparation. I think a lot of things you were known for. But more than anything, almost a healthy obsession, right? Most successful people are a little bit Or unhealthy obsession. One of those two, I'll be diplomatic.

But I would say this. Sean McVeigh admitted after losing to the Belichick, he said, I overprepared. The game got into my head. Is there a danger for like a Drake mayor of Sam Darnold thinking, I mean, I've got to be locked in. All of a sudden it's paralysis by analysis. You went to so many that you can judge them based on that. your first one, your second one, is there a danger in that?

First of all, I'm going to apologize for the drill that's going on above my head right now. I'm in an apartment that are literally doing, I don't know, redoing the kitchen or something. I'm trying to figure this out. You know, I think being over-prepared, at least in my opinion, I wasn't the type of player that could ever feel like I was over-prepared. The more information I got, the better. I loved having two weeks to prepare. for this Super Bowl game

over a period of time it just got more important for me to double down on all the processes that I thought could prepare me for the game and the more you were to give me the more I could handle. I love that part of the preparation. You know, I will say some players

don't do great with that. That's right. So some players are options. Some players they just want to know what they need to know and then they want to go out there and play free. I totally understand that. I think a guy like Ray Lewis, a guy like Ed Reed, they wanted as much information as they could get. That would be their way of preparing and feeling like, I have all the answers to the test. Now I get to go out there and play very freely.

So could there be a danger and over-preparing? Maybe overthinking, but not over-preparing. I mean, you've got two weeks to prepare. This game, you're going to remember for the rest of your life. That's the best part about this game. win or lose, you will be remembered for this game for the rest of your life. So you want to make sure, to the best of your ability, going into the game, you feel like you give your team the best chance of succeeding, which means you have to prepare as if this is the only thing that's going on in your life, which,

so the reality is that's all that should be going on in your life. So it's a different way of asking this question, is that, you know, you look at a lot of film, and there you have a pretty good understanding all your years in the league man we don't match up in this spot i'm going to get some i'm going to get some our pass pro is going to be pushed to the limit against just and tuck and strahan and you know you kind of know going into games did you ever go into a super bowl and think we have better personnel and if you did did it affect the way you played did you think okay just tom let's just don't throw don't throw that seam route could you did you ever battle that psychology of we are going to wear this team down we got better players

i have a feeling you're referring to the 2007 undefeated patriot team that lost the giants am i wrong or i will what the hell is going on here i thought i was a guest on your show again you're bringing up my worst my worst football memory i mean there there were days where i felt like going in we were you know on paper you know however it would match up okay we've got a great chance when and honestly, when I do my games for Fox, a lot of times people on our crew will say, well, who do you think is going to win? And I always kind of say, well, if they were to play 10 times, I think this team would win seven and this team would win three. And that's, you know, because on any given day, if a quarterback goes over, goes out and turns it over three times,

guess what? You're not winning. Right. So the reality is, is the best team in a one game series doesn't always win. That's why I always think basketball, baseball, a seven game series does identify the best team because, you know, you got seven chances to get it right. In football, you got one chance to get it right. That's really the challenge. You could have an off day or we're up there in Seattle doing the last game of our year in championship weekend with me and Kevin Burkart. And we watch the pun returner from the Rams muff the punt. Seattle jumps on the ball, gives them all the momentum. Seattle goes on, takes advantage. Seattle goes on, takes advantage. and that ends up being one of the big turning points in the game.

So that's how finicky the game is. It's a real challenge to win this game and to do everything right over the course of the season to get to this game. And then to win this game requires a lot of good things happening and things still bounce in your way. So that's really the challenge and the hard part about winning this game. So you had a line about Darnold. And I can tell whenever a broadcaster has a really good line, I can tell because I remember

a week or two later. And you said this during the Seahawk game. And I followed Darnold since late high school. And I'd never heard of it been put this way. You said, you know, Sam's more explosive than surgical. And I thought, oh yeah, that's exactly right. But what's interesting is with the Jets in Carolina

and maybe Minnesota, sometimes he had to be dynamic and not surgical. When I watched them against the Rams, I thought, oh no, he's being surgical. Because outside of JSN, it's a run team and a defensive-led team, and I'm wondering, when I watched Sam, I thought that's exactly what he is.

And then the Rams game, I'm like, oh, no, this is actually surgical. I'm wondering if he recognizes what he's surrounded by, and Sam realizes, really, this is about surgery. I don't want to be as explosive. Do you think that's part of it? Sure. I do. I think there's different ways to win every single week. And you always have to find kind of the formula for success in a given week,

depending on who's in for you, because you could have some injuries, and who's out for the other team or where you want to try to attack the coverages of the other team. Some teams call, and there's probably more in vogue than, you know, than the last five, six years, since really the Rams with Brandon Staley played more of a shell-type defense, a lot of variations in two high. defenses which are built to protect the deep part of the field and forces the quarterback to make surgical decisions on the underneath parts of the field. So when you decide to play this top-down approach, well, you better find a surgical passer that can throw to tight ends, that can throw to

running backs, that can find and be okay with six or seven-yard gains to advance the ball. Okay. Now, differently, there's some teams that come up and want to press you at the line of scrimmage and try to defend the short parts of the field and make you earn higher, more challenging completions down the field, which are less percentage of happening. But they will say, all right, we're going to get up here and try to take away the short stuff and we're going to force you to hit the hard ones. That's another style of defense. So you have to go in and out of different modes at different times. Sometimes you could be explosive. Sometimes you can be surgical. Sometimes when they're all inside, you got to throw the ball outside. Sometimes when they're deep, you got to

throw it short. When they decide to cover short, you got to throw it deep. When they're all inside, it's just, that's how you have to develop a style of play over a period of time. That's why I think it's really important for quarterbacks to, they have to go to the line of scrimmage with a plan. And what's my plan on this play? What did the coach call? What did he call that play for? This is all part of processing information. As I walk, to the line. Now I get to look at the defense. All right. Now, what are they in? Is the coach to play call, the coach, is the play that the coach called? Is it going to work against the defense that I'm seeing? That's the judgment the quarterback has to make. When you have a very highly intellectual

quarterback, let's look at Matt Stafford, who's going to probably win MVP. That's how he's walks to the line of scrimmage now. He's got 17 years of wisdom. He can now say, great, there's a very high percentage chance that this play's actually going to work. Let's run it. That's how you continue to take growth as a quarterback and level up every single year because the processing amount of the processing information, the speed of processing information can get better as you get older. And that's why I think you see a lot of success from quarterbacks in their mid to late 30s. So when you went into these Super Bowls, a majority of them, you had Josh McName. Daniels. Did he pace it? Did he add stuff late? Was the install clean? And he kind of knew going in

first two days. Here's what it is. You're smiling as I say this. What was it like? I mean, there was some of the coolest things I ever remember working with Josh in those moments and having those two weeks to prepare knowing the magnitude of what we were playing for. You have 60 to 70 plays left in the entire season. That's all. you got so why have 300 calls on the call sheet you're not going to call them all anyway why don't you try to just thin it out to the the plays that you feel give you the best chance to win and that your team can execute well so a cool story 2014 we're playing the seahawks in the super bowl yeah and we have four days of practice in foxborough we're playing against the legion of boom man that was a legit defense

It's unbelievable. We have three days of practice down in Arizona where the game is being played. It's Friday night after we've had seven practices. And we go out to dinner with my family, come back from dinner. It's about 9.30. I'm walking from the parking lot up to my hotel room on Friday night. And I said, I called Josh. I said, I'm not feeling great about the red area.

I just, there's a lot of moving parts and I feel like if I look to the right, the defense's going to move the right, that's going to take away the guys I'm thinking about. If I look to the left, they're going to move, and they're just going to move with my eyes

and cover our receivers. And I don't think we can gain any leverage. Can we just go through the plan one more time? He and I at 10 o'clock on Friday night, after seven plays are done, are watching red area film of the Seahawks defense, okay? All the hay is in the barn.

Practice is over. We got no more shots of practice. Josh and I, come up with about three or four plays on that Friday night between a 10 and 11 o'clock at night. We walk through the plays. That's one particular play you just showed on the screen. It was one of the plays that we installed on the Saturday morning, the Sunday before the game that we put in, we walked through them, and we threw touchdown passes on two of the two of the plays that we installed on that Saturday morning. So talk about feeling like you could be over prepared.

No, you could be prepared, and then you can go to the next level, which is cross every T, dot every I. Because in that game, that game came down to the smallest margins. And what does it take? Sometimes that's what it takes. And that's the trust and confidence that he and I built in one another. Did you tell teammates of the changes, or were there things that were singular with you and Josh? Or did you have to tell everybody, guys, this is what we're doing? Yeah, guys, this is the place we're going to add.

three or four plays. We're not going to get a chance to practice them. They may not come up, but we're going to walk through them to make sure we're ready to go. We walk through them two or three times and then boom, you cut it loose. But there's no full speed reps. There's no ability to get out there on the practice field and run. It's just, hey, we've got all these weeks together, but I think this play can give us a good easy chance. And what I wanted to do was I wanted a really good hard sell play action so I could get Bobby Wagner to kind of step up into the line of scrook. So I didn't have to worry about him because I couldn't look off Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner.

a lot of times they would line slightly opposite. So if I looked off Bobby Wagner, well, it brought Earl Thomas more into the play. And if I looked off Earl Thomas, it brought Bob Wagner more into the play. So I wanted a hard sell play action where I could kind of take the linebacker out of the play and now I could just work off one defender.

It was a very challenging style of the play that they played. But it took us and, you know, a lot of years of working together to come up with a few kind of breather plays down there in a low red zone that gave me a clean design. decisive throw where I could just focus on making one clean read and making a great throw to score. Coaches will deny it publicly, but how much do you think Mike Vrable is leaning into

we're underdogs, Donald's going to be MVP, we're lucky to be here, how much is he leaning into that? No one, Brable, he's probably got every bit of underdog material up everywhere. We were 14. Underdogs in 2001 Braves as part of that team. Believe me, Colin, if you picked the Seahawks, I'm sure he's going to be telling the entire team that Colin Cowan picked the Seahawks. We're underdogs. That's just the mentality.

And, you know, that's okay. I mean, someone's got to be that. Patriots have had an incredible season. I think what they've done is surprised everybody. It's so many guys that have come together, coaches, players that are new, great communication, great toughness. They played in a lot of tough environments. and they certainly deserve to be representing the AFC

in this Super Bowl. It's going to be a great game. These teams have played so well all season long. They've been clutched. They play good defense. They've played good offense. They've been explosive plays. They've been explosive plays.

They've run the ball. They've got explosive runs. They've really found a lot of different ways to win, and that's why they're playing in this game. So you always get asked about the last week about Belichick. But I defended Robert Kraft this morning, and I said, the Patriots have the worst record in the league for five years before Robert Kraft owned them. From the day he bought them until today they have the winningest record.

And I said, go to the Yankees with George Steinbrenner. 37 years, won seven titles, had 23 different managers, sometimes Billy Martin for a third, fourth time, different GMs and players. I said, we don't like to admit because owners are billionaire. and they've got their own plane and the quarterback, the coach, the coordinator. I said, but most business people, I know I work at Fox, most of us make seven to ten decisions a day

and the smarter people make the right one 90% of the time. And so I said, if you're going to be outraged by Bill and Bill will get in, then you should be equally outrage that Robert Kraft, who has more Super Bowls than the rest of the AFC East, the AFC South, and the AFC North Combined, you don't understand.

I mean, Washington changed owners, Tom. 24 years embarrassing. The next year they're in the NFC championship, I do not believe in coincidence. So I want to just address the craft part of this and that he was not necessarily a meddler, but I don't believe it's a zany happenstance that you guys literally coaching hires.

draft development, trades in season. Could you give me a sense? I know you are close to Robert Kraft. I think fans just think it's all players and coaches. I'm like, no. It's the same crappy teams drafting at the top every year. It's the owner. It's not the coaches.

Just your thoughts on the Robert. Just a great point that you make. And it always starts at the top. And the leadership, the figurehead of the organization is, for the Patriots, RKK, and it's, you know, being there for 20 years with him and watching the nuances of that ownership role

was something for me to learn a lot from, how he managed different personalities, how he can fill in the gaps when he saw them and where he saw them. He just did the most unbelievable job. And seeing it firsthand of being a part of it, recognizing the importance of that role, role in a football organization. I believe that the owner is the chief accountability officer.

And you know, you hold everyone to a standard and you expect everyone to live up to that. And believe me, when the owner's sitting in their team meeting room, the players are sitting up a lot straighter. The head coach's message is directed a lot more intently. And RKK, his office was at the stadium. He would sit in there in team meeting rooms. He would be out there on the practice field. He would be there at every, road game shaking people's hands as they walked off the field. There's an importance of football that, that in Patriot football, that RKK does not take lightly. And not only that, look at the contributions that he's made to the league, to the NFL in general, to negotiate media rights

deals. And this is the most popular sport in America. It's, you know, the thousands of hours that he's spent bringing this game to life for the fans. That doesn't go unnoticed. Certainly now that I'm in TV, I understand the amount of work it takes for Fox to actually broadcast the game. The partnership that Fox and its partners have with the NFL, it's extremely important. That working relationship is so critical to this game being, you know, spread throughout our entire country and bringing a lot of joy to people's lives.

So to me, it's not a matter just like Bill of if they're going to get in. it's just when they're going to get in. They're tremendous at what they've done in the league. And maybe it's not trending so well for ex-patriots. Maybe I should be a little concerns here. But, you know, I think at some point this thing is going to go in everybody's direction the right way. You know, what's interesting. I want to cap it with this is that, you know, Bill could come off as very hardened because Bill is, that that is his personality.

And do you think it hurt him for that 24th? 48 hours when he didn't get in, just what you know of Bill? I actually think in some ways it rallied a lot of people who played for Bill and made sure they reached out to him to express how much they appreciated them, which I'm sure felt good for Bill. And I said before, it doesn't, look, we all want everything in life to happen on our time frame and our time schedule. We want everything to go and we want it to go.

but the reality is that's not life. I actually think it's going to work in his favor when he does get in, because there's going to be a lot of people that realize the impact that he made on their life as a coach, as a player, and they're going to be there to celebrate him. And this was another opportunity for everybody to reach out to him and tell him how much they appreciate him, even though he didn't get exactly what he probably deserved here the first time around. All right.

Okay. Well, I didn't hear the construction. According to you, it said it's quite a job. Did you? I can't hear it. Jeez. All right. Good.

Yeah. A great seeing you, Zos, Tom. See you, my brother. Take care. I'll see you good soon. Okay. Bye, guys. Bye, bye, bye.

Yeah, I think it's, I said this about Kraft, is that the Roger Goodell picks an owner, my understanding. He picks an owner, a singular owner, to negotiate with the networks, Fox and, you know, NBC and all these networks. My understanding, it was Robert Kraft. If the commissioner has 32 billionaires that he can pick and he picks Kraft,

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It is obviously the first Super Bowl for not only Sam Darnold, but Drake May and I had Tom Brady on for about 25 minutes. And one of the things I asked him is, you know, it's where we're one thing, Tom, when you've been to your second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth Super Bowl, but a lot of quarterbacks that get there don't get back, is there a danger in over-preparing analysis by paralysis for a young quarterback getting to his first Super Bowl? The more you were to give me, the more I could handle. I love that part of the preparation.

You know, I will say some players don't do great with that. I think a guy like Ray Lewis, a guy like Ed Reed, they wanted as much information as they could get. That would be their way of. of preparing and feeling like, I have all the answers to the test. Now I get to go out there and play very freely. So could there be a danger and over-preparing? Maybe overthinking, but not over-preparing. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

Kind of the narrative out there, this isn't a great Super Bowl. And I honestly think it's the same team. Seattle is a better version of New England. They're both athletic, big quarterbacks that move well. One's got a little more experience. Both offensive lines are kind of the weakness of the team. I think Seattle's is a little bit better, especially on the left side. Both defenses are excellent.

I would say both secondaries, outstanding, two defensive coaches, both blew out nine teams. I think Seattle is a slightly better version of New England. So I think it's a great matchup. And there's a reason there are four, four and a half, potentially five-point favorite. But weakness, strength, coaches, quarterbacks, I feel like strong run games with both. I think it's great matchup. I think Seattle is just a slightly better version of New England. In L.A., it's the hurt.

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Cam Hayward, four-time pro-bowl defensive tackle. One of the really smart guys in the NFL will be joining us next hour. J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's start with the L.A. Rams, offensive coordinator. It's an open spot.

It's a really good job, obviously, working under the McVeighetree, sets you up for success. Michael LeFleur has moved on to the Cardinals. one of the big names is someone will get to in a second. But here's what McVeigh said about an internal candidate. I did think that this was something that could occur. So we've got great candidates in-house. You obviously just based on the rules and I think what is the appropriate thing? You know, you're going to do an extensive search to really just dive into, you know,

what's going to be the best way to bring in new people? And we've had a lot of reps at it for a lot of the right reasons. but I am excited about diving in and it never fails every time me and my wife go on vacation. Somebody's usually getting a head job and then I'm spending too much time on my phone. Yes, you and I know the feeling anytime you're on vacation. Well, now people will say, Colin, you don't like in-house candidates. I don't mind them when the offensive coach is the offense. Like if Shanahan loses a coordinator and goes in-house or, you know, Kevin O'Connell.

Dan Campbell, not a scheme guy. needs to get the best replacement for Ben Johnson. There are offensive guys in this league I don't worry too much about. Look at this coaching tree on the screen. This is ridiculous. Working under McVeigh, Zach Taylor, who's with the Bengals, we don't think he's great, but whatever.

Liam Cohen gets to the playoffs in year one in Jacksonville. Kevin O'Connell, one of the sharp young minds, and of course, Matt LaFlewer in Green Bay. Liam Cohen gets overlooked. Look what Liam Cohen did in a year. They won 13 games. Not only that, but Trevor Lawrence. People were out on him.

It's like an MVP candidate. Yeah, I mean, like Liam Cohen gets lost because Jacksonville, you know, it stands that college country. Jacksonville was a mess. I mean, I love Trevor Lawrence. I was kind of done. I was not. You sell stock too early. You love to bail.

I'm a day trader. Yeah, basically. The guy to watch here is Nate Sheelhaus. He interviewed with the Browns and a bunch of other jobs. He seems like the odds on favorite to be the next OC with the Rams. All right. Let's move on to, ooh, this is spicy. We haven't talked about your guy Aaron Rogers lately, coming.

He's always something with Aaron Rogers. All right. So Mike McCarthy gets the job in Pittsburgh. He's installing his new staff, and he's expected to bring on a gentleman by the name of Frank Signetti Jr. Kurt Signetti? As an offensive advisor, Kurt Signetti's brother. Okay? Here's the interesting thing.

Frank has a negative history with Aaron Rogers dating back to their time with McCarthy in Green Bay. according to a report, Rogers in 2018 was upset that the Packers did not renew Alex Van Pelt as the quarterback coach, and they went with Signetti. Yes. Rogers was allegedly so ticked off. He refused to speak to Signetti, and the two had to communicate through backup quarterback Tim Doyle. I know you love Rogers. I don't know.

But this is some level of petty to not talk to your quarterback coach. Listen, we all know the game with Aaron. Like, it's no, it's ain't, I mean, we just know. I mean, I know two guys in the Packer locker room that played with Aaron, and they both have said basically the same thing. Aaron depends on the day. Sometimes good Aaron, sometimes Moody Aaron. It is what it is.

That's not a guy that, by the way, we haven't even talked about this. Rogers is probably done, right? There was no victory tour, no like, hey, here's a rocking chair present, or is that just an NBA thing? But like, I mean... Ask yourself this. Do you think Mike McCarthy knows about Aaron's, Aaron and Frank Signetti.

Of course. Well, then why would he hire him? Yeah, I think Will Howard's going to be their guy. You and I would agree. Yes, I mean, I think the hiring tells you that Mike McCarthy, this is a very intentional hire by Mike McCarthy. So, you know, there's a big actions versus words thing. A lot of young people will learn this.

They'll give you lip service and say all the right things, but actions speak louder. Colin, they're saying we're not rebuilding. They say that in Pittsburgh. If they go with Will Howard, is that a rebuild to you? I mean, I'm going to wait to see the free agent moves, but this is a quiet rebuild in Pittsburgh. McCarthy, I'm sure, was given guarantees. Hey, take your time.

You never have more leverage. Two times a coach has leverage in the NFL. After a Super Bowl and first year with a team. McCarthy has real leverage here. They are disappointed in Pittsburgh. So Mike can push the discomfort to a little higher degree. If Mike go 7 and 10, you lose the leverage. Mike has staff leverage here.

And I think what he's doing, what have his two hires been? Frank Signetti Sr. and the O-line coach. I love that the news out of Pittsburgh is offensive improvement. So I think McCarthy is putting his stamp. Listen, I don't care who you could be Brian Callan. your first year in Tennessee, you're the guy. Everybody follows up. Everybody, you know, they follow behind you.

They want to lead. They want to be behind you over the hill. So McCarthy is making his tweaks. What's your reading? The signal is the end of Aaron. Yeah. By the way, Aaron Rogers, fun fact, final pass in the NFL was a pick six against the Houston Texans.

Remember that? In the playoff game? Through a pick six and then he was like, it's over, they're down 30 to nine or whatever, and then he went to the bench. Fun way to end his career. I just had to get that. of our final story. Let's go to Denver, Colin.

Denver Broncos obviously lost the AFC championship game. This is kind of fascinating. I did not realize this. We know they moved off O.C. Joe Lombardi. Yeah. Right? And they're going to promote Davis Webb to be the new offensive coordinator. Davis Webb, a hot young name out there.

Did you know Joe Lombardi had been with Sean Payton for 15 years? Oh, yeah, his guy. He was with him in New Orleans for years. 15 years and he moved off him just to keep Davis Webb? Well, that is stunning to me. Well, Webb is the young... I don't care. 15 years? Well, you say, listen, what do you have to stay with people?

I don't know what you do, but moving off, just because Davis Webb is getting some nibbles out there in the market. You're going to move off your guy at 15 years? 15 years is a long time, bro. Come on. See, I look at the opposite. 15 years is a long time to be with Joe Lombardi. Okay.

Joe Lombardi should be, hey, I made a lot of money with Sean Payton. You don't get the... Just got to an AMCCG. championship game. Why are you trying to tell me something? You know, it's just three years together? You know what's going on? I'm just saying, you look at it like, where's the loyalty?

And my take is a 15-year relationship, coach coordinator? A lot of success. Lots of success. Fourth down gets. Oh, I'm sure Joe Lombardi had that fourth down call. Sean Payton, I'm sure down that up. Listen, Joe Lombardi is fully aware of Sean Payton's personality. And I think one of his quotes was, you know,

Sean was just got into the mood. He wanted something new. And I think when you coach with Sean Payton, he's very emotional. And he wears his emotions, leads with his chin. And I think you just, you realize that. We shall. I'm going to monitor this next year. See how Davis Webb, the immortal Davis Webb.

He had such a great NFL quarterback career. Well, you don't. We'll see. I know nothing about the guy. We'll see. Well, then maybe not take shots in. Well, I'm not, I'm just, that's a reality. He did not have a great NFL career.

Well, you know, as a player. Yeah. How many great. great players or great coaches. That's a damn good question. I would argue being a serviceable rotational player where you had to do all the little things right to get on the field. It's like in baseball.

A lot of managers are catchers. Why? They wear the gear. It's the hardest position to play. You see the entire game. You call the game. It's an intellectual position where you don't have to be the twitchiest or this or that. You basically have to be one of the smart guys playing.

and dealing with the emotions of a very emotional pitcher. Yeah, the backup quarterback is going to be a good coach because you know what, you've got to be smart and bowed them to say on the roster. Well, career backup, Kevin O'Connell's a good coach. There you go. I mean, the stars, they make a lot of money. They were grinding. They don't need to.

What are they returning for? They're not coaching. Why would you want to coach? After you made a lot of money as a starter for 10 years. Brutal. No. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lide News. I don't want Davis Webb. to think I'm out where this show's out here taking shots is that Davis Webb played and Davis Webb now getting a coaching opportunity and I root for all these young

like former players that coach I think is a cool thing because it's really really hard and a lot of them made money so they don't necessarily need the job and you have to sacrifice time with your family so like players that go to coaching like tip of the cap like it's hard

and they know how hard coaching is because they're in these rooms with these coaches who have baggy eyes and put on weight and live on coffee. Yeah, so interesting. He's been with the Broncos since 20, 23. He threw 40 NFL passes in his career. He was in the league. Third round pick, interestingly.

6-5, you know, looks the part. We'll see. I mean, again, you go to the AFC championship. You're on the doorstep of the Super Bowl. I mean, if Bo Nix plays in that game, Colin? They probably win that. They're at home? And then are you moving off, Lombardi?

Well, I mean, wasn't it interesting when a Bo Nix was listed as out, the line shifted. Like way more, you know, people who are always like Bo Nix says, you know, maybe he's worth a couple points. The line dramatically shifted. Yeah. Vegas told you. No, Bo Nix is a good player. Solid.

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