The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Arch Manning got a raw deal, the Cowboys locker room, what Caleb Williams needs to do this season, Urban Meyer, Julian Edelman

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

Former OSU HC Urban Meyer stops by The Herd to talk about the Texas-OSU game, the play of Arch Manning, the criticism he is facing, and more Former Patriots WR Julian Edelman talks to Colin about the start of the NFL season, what he would like to see from Caleb Williams, and the Locker room when a star player gets tradedSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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NIL, Transfer Portal, college football playoffs. Everybody freaked out. It's going to hurt college football. And we keep breaking records. I thought the weekend was amazing. and one thing that jumped out to me with Arch Manning. I mean, listen, inexperienced, Buckeyes are great, it's in Columbus.

But Urban, you've been coaching quarterbacks forever. It didn't look as much jitters. It was mechanics. It was arm slot. I thought it was jarring to look at. I thought he was a bit overwhelmed. When you watched it, did you think it was more Matt Patricia,

environment, Buckeye's secondary, like what went wrong? What gave Arch, in your opinion, the most trouble? Well, the reality is that the quarterback's get far too much credit, far much blame. There weren't people open, Colin, the Matt Patricia and the Buckeye defense. I don't want to say I was shocked because they lost five or six players and a coordinator

and they look phenomenal. But I went back, Colin, and I watched every snap of Arch Manning. And I keep hearing about, you know, potential first. picking the NFL draft Heisman trophy and I'm I keep saying stop this that that's not fair to this guy this guy if you put any other name on the back of his jersey let him grow as a player he'll be a much different player in four to five weeks he he wasn't ready for that but either was julian saying you can't be ready for that you know someone said well he started two guys no he didn't this is his first start when you're playing Mississippi State that was not very good last year in another

team that those don't count as you're starting a horseshoe in front of you know millions of people on So he'll be fine. I was a little disappointed with the offensive skill of Texas. I didn't see guys open. I didn't see the explosive as you expect out of. So there's a couple common denominators of a great quarterback, and they all say it. They got great players around them.

And maybe there are. I didn't see that. And maybe, you know, once again, we're going to find out more in the next few weeks, really not in the next few weeks in about four or five weeks when they get in the SEC because they both got Ohio State and Texas have soft schedules for, for a minute. But the competent nominator is the great explosive player around Arch. I didn't see that. You know, Sark said after the game, and I was told this recently, that in the college football,

as a defensive coordinator, stop the run, and if you do, you're going to win a lot of games. In the NFL as a defensive coordinator, you better stop the pass because almost every team's got a guy that can sling it. So Matt Patricia has been dealing with the best quarterbacks in the world. Now he goes to college. When you looked at every snap, Sark said it was elite. Did he disguise his coverages? What did you see about Matt Patricia's defense that could be problematic for a young quarterback? I see multiple positions. So you see like a Caleb Downs that can play will linebacker, he can play a deep half and a safety. And then they did a bunch of what he called simulated pressure. And the simulated pressure is when they bring a linebacker or a secondary player yet play zone behind it.

Archmanning's been training as a quarterback, I imagine since he could say hello because of the Manning family. And normally when you get a five to six man pressure, there's going to be man coverage behind it or there's going to be voided zones. Ohio State did a brilliant job of bringing pressure, but there was actually seven people in coverage. So it looked like pressure. It smelled like pressure. It was pressure, but it wasn't in coverage. They were dropping people underneath that were twice I caught. and like I said, I went back to watch every snap over and over again. Arch got caught on one side of the formation thinking that it was a fire zone or a fire zone or even a manned coverage and it wasn't. It was too deep and he got caught and he got sacked.

So I thought he did a great job, Matt Patricia. So I was shocked because I think Kalin DeBore is an excellent coach, but I said that this week, I said the SEC is, I mean, you acknowledge you had health issues. It's just tough. the intensity, the criticism, the recruiting wars that aren't always for years and years on the up and up, it can eat up really good coaches. And I think Kalen DeBoer is a great coach, but something didn't look right, Urban. They couldn't run, that the effort, something didn't look right with Bama. Can you explain it?

Yeah, and Kaelin Boar has been great to me. I think his record speaks for himself, but he's in it now. And I watch closely, you know, Mark Ingram's on our show, and we talk about it all the time. When the word not running to the ball, not giving great effort comes out of your mouth and you say the word Alabama after that, that doesn't compute. You know, that hasn't happened in a long time. And I'm worried about Alabama right now. You know, I saw things that are signs that there's something either in a locker room or something. You know, I made this comment on Big Noon, I believe that he better have some grown ass men in that locker room.

Ryan Day, when they lost to the Wolverines last year, they flipped it around. You know why? And everybody gives the coaches credit. I get it. But in that locker room, where some grown-ass men that weren't going to put up with that. And I don't know Alabama well enough. And I challenge Mark Ingram with this. You know, who's in that locker room?

Because a coach is a coach. I get it. But at some point, those veteran, and I use the term grown-ass men, better show up in that locker room and get that right. Coaches can't get that right. Coaches do the best they can. But the players play. Yeah. Listen, I, um, college coach and pro coaches, they're really different.

And a lot of it is just this, is that, you know, a lot of NFL coaches, Andy Reed doesn't have to draft. He can work play design. He doesn't have to worry about the cap. He doesn't have to about, you know, play design, culture, play calling. Sometimes some coaches don't do that. At the college level, you are, you are responsible for personnel. and I don't think there's a lot of great coaches who are great at personnel. You were. Nick Saven was darn good.

I think I would say Jimmy Johnson was really good. I think Sean Payton's got a feel for it. I think Jim Harbaugh's got a little bit of a feel for it. But I watched Belichick and my take is, okay, it's one thing to lose. But his last several New England drafts weren't good. I didn't see the pop players. I didn't see it. were you surprised on just the lack of anything after the first drive?

I mean, there wasn't a lot of offensive symmetry. There wasn't a lot of special players. Were you just surprised at what you watched? I think surprise is probably too light of a word, Colin. I was shocked. You know, I was, because I'm friends with Coach Belichick, I have the most respect for him you can have. I used to visit the Patriots and go watch him.

So there's no better coach I've ever been around that Bill Belichick, and he would gracious enough come to. now speak to our teams and our staff. But I turned on that and I couldn't, I don't know. He's up against it, you know. I'm not sure he's, I know he had some early in his career at Cleveland, which I really didn't study that, but maybe the last few years in New England had some issues too. But I can't imagine when he stands in a team meeting and you're dealing with 17, 18, 19-year-olds

that are now being told, you know, should I leave? should I stay. I can only imagine the nonsense going on in that locker right now. So surprise is not a strong enough word when I and once again, I'll credit to TCU, but they're going to have some tougher roads

tougher games down the road now. TCU's great but there's also, you've got Clemson and Miami and some other ones coming down the road that are really good. Yeah. Let's wrap it up with this. I don't want to go too crazy and I know he was a great high school quarterback, but Bryce Underwood at Michigan, Urban.

I mean, I could have said he's great. That kid, that is different looking. What do you make of his talent? I use the term about four minutes ago about grown-ass man, and I was shocked. I mean, again, surprise is not the right word because I went back and watched every snap and my God, I mean, that's a junior in college, and he's really not. And his physical presence is Cam Newtonish, his size, his athleticism, is control. What are these throws? Wow. I mean, spectacular. And I know, once again, they're not playing a top 10 team yet, and they will coming down the road here.

But day one, he might be that guy that walks on campus. Like, when I had Percy Harvin, you're just like, that's an absolute freak. You know, get him ready to play as fast you can because that, and I've heard that about him. just now the assault in person, that's legit. I mean, it just jumped off. Wherever you watch that game, it was like magic. I mean, that is a whip. He's got a big arm.

He moves. His accuracy doesn't dip when he moves. And Michigan, by the way, does not have great receivers. He's not throwing to Ohio State guys. This is a pretty average receiving core. Yeah, and he's almost like a Rothersberger, too, as far as, I mean, guys are hanging on him. You know, he's a big cat now. Urban, great talking to you as always.

Yeah, great to talk to Colin. All right. Yeah, I know everybody thinks I'm getting a little hyper on that. And I said yesterday, Ohio State, I think, is going to control this conference. And I like Oklahoma to beat him, all the juniors and seniors. It's in Norman. I like Oklahoma. But, man, there are sometimes you watch athletes, and you're just like, what is that?

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No, I'm live-time Pro Bowl or Amari Cooper just retired from the Raiders, leaving them with four receivers, Jacoby Myers and three guys that I wouldn't recognize if they walked in the studio. So, New England, interesting. Well, they have Brock Bowers. I like Jacobi Myers. I think he's more of a two, but he's a good player. I was surprised Belichick let him go. I like.

So, Amari Cooper's young, isn't he, like 31? 10,000 receiving yards plus, five Pro Bowls. He was always a very quiet guy. Like, I always felt he was a guy that taking care of business, put his money away, had other things beyond, you know, he never sought attention, even in Dallas, just a grown up, just an adult. Yeah, 31 years old. Jeez, that's good.

Retired at 31. Mark Cooper by a hundred million of the bank. Yeah, he's excellent wide receiver. No drama. Five-time pro bowler? A good receiver. Had a good career. Yeah.

J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. From one quiet, cool, wide receiver to a combative one. Tyreek Hill, a lot of drama with the dolphins this off-season. Did you notice Tyreek was not voted a captain by his teammates? Saw that.

It says it won't change his ability to be a leader for the dolphins. At the end of the day, I feel like it's about the 10, and I don't need the title to be able to leave. I'm going to continue to push the standard. You know, what coach and these guys are pushing in the locker room, and I've always been a guy that led by exempt me. You're going to be that one. Capital thing is great, but, and I say, I'm going to continue to do the small thing. He's not a leader. He's a talent, and there's a big difference. I always said, A-Rod's a great baseball talent.

Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada felt like leaders. And that's not a knock. I think Aaron Rogers is a great talent. Do I think he's the best leader? Yeah, Tyreek's a remarkable wide receiver, but I'm not depending on him for anything other than that. That's fine. Yeah.

I'm of the belief he will not last the full season of Miami. I think at the deadline, somebody who's like maybe a fringe Super Bowl contender says, let's make a push, let's go get Tyreek Hill to try to put us over the top. He's still got some juice. I just, can you control a personality like that? Who's very strong, you know? In the history of the league, I mean, Larry Fitzgerald's an outlier

where you're the rock of your franchise, the dependable, mature rock of the franchise is a wide receiver. It is a very, you know, it's the first guy to break the huddle. It is a little bit of the NBA player on a football field. You kind of work alone up the sideline. Those sideline receivers, they come, they want the ball. And, you know, I just, I just, I, I think that's a fairly reasonable prediction that I could see at the trade deadline.

If Miami loses to the Colts this weekend and they're under 500, I could see them saying, we need draft picks. This is a reboot year. He's not Antonio Brown, but Tom Brady recruited Antonio Brown to the Bucks. They win the Super Bowl. And then the next year, I think they're a massive implosion. So we'll see with Tyreek. Next up to college football, Colin, where Bill Belichick is coming on.

off, you know, kind of an embarrassing loss in his debut. Kind of? We know Belichick had a big falling out with Kraft before taking the job. Well, how about this one? According to your buddy, John Middlkoff, Bill Belichick has reportedly banned Patriots Scouts from North Carolina practices. So petty. That's petty.

Now, Belichick has not addressed this yet. However, that's not a good look for Belichick. if you're banning Patriots just because of your, like you're hurting your players from getting looked at it. I just think there's such a reservoir of distrust and dislike between Kraft and Belichick.

And I think that documentary that I watched, was it this summer or was it last year, the documentary that was very pro-craft, anti-Bill. I know a lot of Patriot fans. But we have to be fair here. is that Bill's got some real debits when Tom Brady's not part of his universe. Cleveland, pre-Tom starting in New England,

Tom leaving in New England, that thing. Okay. So does this ding Belichick's legacy? I said yesterday. I don't think Michael Jordan in Washington or, you know, Joe Namath, end of his career. I don't think players,

if you're great, you're great. Same with actors. Marlon Brando has three or four bombs. He's still Marlon Brando. I think artists can have bad albums and actors can have duds. And I think players can Patrick Ewing wearing some Orlando Magic jersey or Raptors jersey, whatever it was. That doesn't ding your legacy. But when you just take one human Tom Brady out of Belichick's career,

he's a great defensive mind where the wins is a head coach. I don't see it. Maybe we can ask our next guest when he shows up. Final story, Colin, how about this one? Now, this, we haven't talked a lot of WNBA. Caitlin Clark's been hurt forever. But Angel Reese came out in an interview. Remember, she's in her second year in the WNBA.

And this is what she said. I'd like to be here, meaning in Chicago, for my career. But if things don't pan out, obviously I might have to move in a different direction and do what's best for me. She later apologized saying the language was taken out of context, but Colin, the damage has been done. There are reports stemming in Chicago that the locker room may not be repairable

after Reese essentially basically saying, my teammates aren't good enough. We need better players. Listen, we've heard a lot of... She is a good player. Not a great offensive player. But, hey, if she's so good, why aren't they better? He's a solid young player in the league.

How many games, you know, it's interesting for all the, you know, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a unit or a portion of the media that, uh, is very pro-WNBA to a fault. And then there's those of us that are realistic. How many times have you watched WNBA games since Caitlin Clark got hurt? Now think about this. It led our show last summer. A bunch. Oh, I talked. I think I led with it six times.

I led with the WNBA. And I don't, either way. I talk about what I think is interesting. You notice I didn't talk about it this year? It's not because I suddenly disliked the league. I thought it was growing. Anybody that wants to argue this, you're off your rocker. Caitlin Clark is the league.

I don't know what the ratings are. I haven't read them, but I know I, last year with Caitlin Clark, I was, I mean, if the game was on, I would drive home making a point. And when's that game on? I would watch it on my phone in the car. Yes. You could listen, not watch I'm driving,

but you could listen to it in the car. And that's just not happening. Now I'm tracking the sparks a little bit out here. LA Sparks are kind of trying to make the play out. But I mean, Angel Reese is a good player. But this idea, and I think she is valuable as a counterpunch, as a bit of a college and pro rival to Caitlin Clark. But for all the people that are, hey, the growth of the league,

Caitlin Clark is, this is Tiger on the tour. There was a lot of other good golfers. Tiger was getting people to a TV singularly. Let's remember. Outside of the Masters or U.S. Open. Before the season, Angel Reese was like. Like, yeah, we need to hold out. I need more money.

This is unacceptable. Now she's throwing her teammates under the bus saying we're not good enough. Colin, this is starting to not look. And I know people want to defend her. She's got a lot of followers on IG. Yeah. I think we just need to put things in context with Angel Reese here. She's all about Angel Reese.

She don't care about the team. That's just the reality. And her teammates are essentially saying that. J-Mack with a news. Hot take. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd-Bide News.

Which is fine. Hey, be opinionated. Okay. But be ready for the repercussions, Colin, when they come. I'm opinionated. I know when to reel it in. We're adults and, you know, I'm sure. She's a young, listen, if I were sitting here at 25, you probably would have got rid of me already.

Don't you think it's year two for Michael Jordan. He broke his foot. And he didn't play. And I've compared her. Like Michael Jordan came in. And I remember it. It was like, waltz weren't great, but it was wow. Then year two, he gets hurt.

He wanted to play. And Caitlin, same thing. It was wow. like changing TV ratings, year two, she gets hurt. It is, it's just, it's weird. A bummer. And the difference is, or I should say another similarity is, one of the problems Michael had early was the physical play that was allowed against him.

The Pistons and the Celtics were just leaning on him, beating him up. And, you know, Michael and his coaching staffs were complaining, you're letting people get away with too much. So Michael started putting on weight as his career extended, getting stronger. is Caitlin, the big knock on the WNBA, because I think they've done some things very well since Caitlin arrived, is the NBA's figured it out. During the regular season, they let you play.

When the playoffs start in the NBA, excuse me, during the regular season, they call it close. They want their stars to be protected. It's a long season. Then the NBA gets to the playoffs, and they let them play in its physical, and we had some injuries. but they let them play because physical basketball is more appealing to fans but the NBA understands

we want our stars available for the playoffs so the NBA calls a much tighter game regular season they blow the whistle and there's been a criticism that the young refs called too much too much but they keep their stars healthy so they're ready to enter the playoffs then they just let it's a free-for-all yeah the WNBA has not learned from it they let them just play play and so many injuries. By the way, all these like, I joke that it's like prison rules in the WNB. Like, anything goes. There's cheap shots. No, and players, guards are complaining.

They're like, it's ridiculous. A bunch of stars have got hurt. I mean, Sophie Cunningham's not a star, but she's out for the season. There's been a lot of questionable hits that have not really been, uh, refereed the way they should. Yeah, Jordan was 195 pounds when he got drafted, then 2.15 during the championship run. He had to put on 20 pounds in the documentary. Like he had to get big. Lamar Jackson did that in the NFL.

A lot of these young skinny quarterbacks they put weight on. But the WNBA just does not officiate. The regular season, they just let them go. And it's like, yeah, but everybody's dinged up for the play. And by the way, their season is short. So you get to the playoffs very quickly. You'll want your stars. So by the way, Greg Kosell was on earlier today, last hour.

And we were talking about Drake May. And I do think, we've done this about four or five years in a row. generally you can find a team in the NFL. I predicted Washington and Denver last year. Rams year before, Vikings year before. You can see when teams either get a better coach like New England Brable. They spend money in free agency. They have a young quarterback getting better.

I think the easiest prediction in the league is New England will double their wins. That is the easiest bet in the league. Last year I had Washington making the playoffs. I thought Denver would double their wins or come close to it. They were better than I thought. But here was Greg Kosell on what. he is seen with Drake May. innate toughness in the pocket,

and I don't think you can teach that. I think the guys that are willing to stand and deliver when there's people around them and they know they're going to get hit, I'm not sure you can teach that. He's got that. The other thing I'm not sure that you can teach players is just a natural willingness to throw the ball into tight windows.

They see those throws as viable throws. And that tells you how much confidence Drake May has in Drake, and with that, the former Patriot, a great 12 years in the NFL, three Super Bowl championship rings and an MVP by buddy Julian Edelman, who's on Fox NFL kickoff Sundays on Fox, buddy. So, I mean, in the summers, you can go northeast, you talk to your buddies. I think it's pretty easy to predict that New England's going to have a little different tempo, a little more confidence, nothing against Gerard Mayle, but about half the coordinators don't make it as head coaches.

predict what is the one or two things that I will watch the Patriots, and it will be noticeably better. I think the rhythm of their offense is going to be noticely better. Having Josh McDaniels paired with Drake May is huge. I mean, Josh McDaniels brought Mac Jones to a pro bowl. A pro bowl and the playoffs. And I think they have a little more, they got more weapons this year. You know, the Trayvon Henderson draft pick when I went to camp, he stuck out like a sore thumb. This guy was running James White routes.

It took James White a long time to develop like the first day I ever seen him do it. And then he also, his protection plan is like lights out as well. He's a smart individual. I think they got Nuculous guys in this draft with Will Campbell, Trayvon, pair him up with Drake next year or from last year. And that's how you create long sustained success is when you get these new. nukeless type guys. So I think they're going to look like a competent football team this year. Yeah. You always said you thought Vrable is one of the smartest guys you ever played against or coached. Josh McDaniel, I think we look at him. And because he didn't work as a head coach, that immediately puts a mark on you, a label on you.

I interviewed him a couple times here on the set. Really, really liked him. Take me inside of everybody, all the great coordinators have a secret sauce. Some communication, some detail. What's the thing Josh does all your years of playing football that is just different? Yeah, he tapers the offense around the guys we have in the locker room. Very well. If you watch, like, we ran through the slot because we had good slots. Our offense ran through the slot in the tight end because we had gronk, we had me, Danny. We had, we were slot in tight end heavy.

So that's how our offense looked. You always see also with the Josh McDaniels' offense, you see a preparation that I mean I don't know any other different. Billy O was very similar, but there's a preparation factor that any time they go into a game, they have, it's a game plan system. So you're not playing the same offense every time you're playing, you know, a different team. You're playing a different game plan towards that specific game plan. That was always New England's reputation.

Game plan type offensive coordinator. So, you know, having smart, tough football players, in that system which they're getting back to getting through their drafts and through the free agencies that they brought in, having that pair with Josh allows you to have so many different avenues of how you can call a game and game plan against the team. So when the Cowboys traded Micah Parsons, and I've been saying this for years, I know he's great, but I look at Philadelphia's roster, and I look at Dallas's roster, and I'm like, dude, you need players. And now they have four total number one picks in the next two years.

that could be four elite players if he hit on those. When you let a star player walk, I remember Belichick that at once was Seymour or Chandler. Chandler Jones, Seymour. What is it due to a locker room? Well, that's when you've got to lean on the leaders. And your leaders have to go out and set the tempo for how that first workday after that deal happens.

So I think Dax's going to have a huge. part in this. The leaders in that locker room are going to have a huge part in how they're going to deal with this. And look, this could bring their team together. You know, it could give them the us against the world mentality where everyone's looking at them like, hey, man, how did you just trade Micah Parsons? Which I don't necessarily disagree with. There was obviously a line in the sand between personal and business that got crossed on one of the sides, which we've all been in that situation. I don't know. You know, hearing the story about Jerry talking to, uh, Micah, like, that was kind of how things went when I was playing. Bill used to corner me in the

cafeteria all the time. Contract negotiations, and I would just play dumb. I'm like, yo, coach, I'm not going to try to negotiate. I would say I leave this to my agent. So there is something that happened there, but if you look on this, you can't change unless you change. And the Cowboys have been kind of in this stalemate of who they've been because they're so top heavy on how they're built. They have the highest paid receiver, the highest paid player, the highest paid corner. They got this guy, that guy. Everyone's getting paid, but there's no middle class. We had a lot of success in New England because we had the largest middle class in the league.

And maybe that's what this is going to do. So, you know, it seems to be a good deal for the Packers because they're instantly going to have defense, a guy that's an obvious problem. But this could be a good thing for the Cowboys, too, because maybe they're breaking the mold of what they've been doing for the last five. six years, and they can gain some good players out of it. So Mike is an interesting player. I was talking to a coach about this, and they talked about Mikey. He said, you know, people tried him at Stack linebacker, interior linebacker, and he didn't have great instincts.

He's just so damn athletic. He's a splash player. And so he's a bit undersized, but he goes to Green Bay, and there's an old saying in the NFL like C-ball, attack ball. Some guy, Hassan Reddick was like that. Hassan Reddick was a little bit of a bust early, and all of a sudden. It was like, move him outside and let him go chase. Some guy and Hassan had a great career.

So Micah is kind of a guy that sometimes, Lawrence Taylor had this. I'm just going to go get the quarterback. I'm going to go pursue the ball. Is that disruptive? Or in your career, sometimes you just have a guy that he is great at one thing and you let him do the one thing. Do you think he changes the Packers defense dramatically or just picks up sacks? Is he a Miles Garrett?

I mean, again, Teddy. Brucey was so many things. Micah is just seabull and blow it up. Does he change the Packers? I think he does because of that flexibility of being able to move spots. Now, the Cowboys kept him on the edge because

they needed the production. They weren't getting out of anyone else. So you pair him with the young Packer that they have. Who's the other edge guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a really good football player. You've got two guys that are doing some cool things. And I heard Greg Kossoe say that they lead the league in the stunt. So the

chunk game's going to be insane. I do think he brings instant power and instant defense and instant potential turnovers and instant, you know, make your corners better because that quarterback's always going to have to think about that. He's going to increase the number of hurries. He's going to increase a whole lot of things. You're going to have to game plan for him. That takes time out of the offensive coordinator's day on what we're going to do as a team. We've got to think about how we're going to block this guy because he can ruin the day. That's the game plan now. So I think there's a lot of great things that he brings. And I think that the only reason he played on the edge with the Cowboys is because that that's where his production was coming.

Did you do? Who was a guy when you went into a game plan during the week? Do you remember there being a Micah Parsons-like player? Jay-J-Watt. Really? J.J. Y.J. Watt. If any time, we played Houston a lot, we play him in that first round. And the number one key to that game was we got to block J-J-Watt, 99. If we don't get him, we're losing the game. That is the game. And that's what we did. And because of Josh McDaniels getting back to his play calling style, having a younger offensive line, knowing where the offensive lines may be a little deficient, you can switch how you protect on those guys.

You double them from five different areas. This guy's got a pair doubling him. They're going to double for this side. They're going to do this. So, you know, I think JJ Watt was a guy that we always had the game plan for. More Julian Edelman. Live in L.A., it's The Herd. One more Herd?

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Derek Eagleton, a reporter says, going to be raining throughout the game tonight. Philadelphia, sloppy, ugly. That means run game at a premium. Now, that may lower the score, but Philadelphia's got the better online, the superstar running back, the better quarterback, the better everything. So expect Philadelphia to, it'll be a fast game. Run the ball. It's going to be a fast game. I think this whole Micah Parsons trade could ignite the Cowboys, maybe. Like I said earlier, you light them on fire?

Light them on fire where they're like, it's us against the world. I mean, they still have some good football players. They're still pros. They're all getting paid. It's not going to be just a walk in the park for Philly. It's a division opponent opening night. These guys know each other inside now. They've been playing against each other. And Schottenheimer

he's been there. So I don't know. We'll see. Very positive spin. Okay. So Patrick Mahomes, players vote for the top 100 players in the league. Patrick Mahomes was voted number five despite he did have a downseason statistic.

So let's start with this. What was your take on him being only number five? I think it's crazy. I still think he's number one. I think arguably last year was his best season. They were back-to-back champions. He went 12 or where they go 15 and 2. They go to the Super Bowl and lose in terrible fashion, but we've never seen a team get to the Super Bowl after going back-to-back. He had a roll of decks of receivers all year long, guys that are hurt, still winning. football games, Band-Aid offense-aligned by the end, still winning football games. And they're in this pocket now where they know how to win.

And they can learn their team through September and October and get themselves ready for that January run. So, you know, we all talk about a lot of these other quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, which they're very unbelievable football players, but they still haven't made the play to get to the Super Bowl. We've seen Lamar Jackson season end twice three times on Blitz Zero. Still hasn't found a way to beat that. Josh Allen still can't make the play when the team needs the push. They lose against that. We've seen over and over, including last year, Patrick Mahomes,

go make a third down when his team needed it, and he didn't have anyone to throw it to. And this year they don't have Rhee Rice until week seven. Which they don't need him until January. Okay, that's where they're at in their season. That's where they're at in their window or what everyone wants to say. They know how to win ball games. They need to play their best football at the end of the year.

They need to be their healthiest at the end of the year. And this could be the best thing for Rishi Rice to go out and come six weeks later because now Patrick's got to learn to throw to a new guy. And then they get to rapport with another guy because we've seen that rapport with Rice, right? We've seen that being developed over these last three years. So sometimes I always would think, and the Patriots would always think, when I would be hurt or Gronk would be hurt, it trains

these quarterbacks to learn new guys. The way I got Tom's chemistry and trust was when he had no reason to because we got rid of, you know, Welker and Amandola got hurt. So then it forces the quarterback to learn how to throw to other guys

and that could help the team. So if in your, I don't know, did Brady, oh, Brady didn't know us win number one? No, he didn't end it. And that motivated him. Really? Yeah, he would get, you know, he would get really mad about that.

He would sit in the locker room and, you know, he wouldn't show it to a lot of guys, but he would, you know, there would be a comment here, there about, you know, number three. That's, you know, that's be, you know, and that, and that, I can just hear him going, Jules, number three. Yeah, something like that. But the same could be said with how Patrick could handle that, this, being number four. I mean, you don't think this is going to motivate Patrick Mahomes, who doesn't really need any motivation, already has three Super Bowls, been to four straight Super, whatever.

I mean, he's got all the, everything. And we're still talking about other guys that are better than them. It's crazy to me. So when you, listen, Caleb Williams is fascinating because you can see the horsepower. You can see the talent. There are some quarterbacks you watch and you're like, I don't really, you know, like some guys are small, some guys are limited. When you watch Caleb, you've got to be blind not to see the horsepower.

Yeah. What are you looking for? Forget the stats, because my take is my eyes will tell me if it's working. I'm looking to not see the horsepower. I don't want to see the horsepower. I want to see him football operationally. I mean, I've just watched some of the sideline talks about, you know, Ben Johnson and his football operation, being able to communicate a play,

being able to tell the team, the personnel group, being able to get to the line of scrimmage, take a look at the defense, take a look at the front, take a look at, you know, where your receiver's at, being able to handle all that. If he could do that, that's when we will start to see, you know, a rhythmic type offense. And that's what we want to, I want to see more Jared Gough out of Caleb. Okay. I want to see more Jared Gough. And then once he knows how to run this offense operationally, because they're going to be

scheme open throws, there's going to be a good rhythm. That's Ben's offense is great with a primary receiver. Great. But I want to see him go out and not show his flashy stuff. Get rid of the football. Stay on time. And when he does that for six to seven weeks and he gets comfortable in this system, then you can see the one, two, three plays where you're like, all right, that's why he was the number one pick.

Look at Josh Allen. Look at Patrick Mahomes. These guys don't do this every single play. They're sitting there. They're operationally getting the right play called. So their offense sees the right play against the right defense. And that's quarterbacking. Be more Brock Purdy.

We all give Brock Purdy a big no-no because of the system and everything, and he's not that good. But we never see his team at the line of scrimmage fumbling to get the playoff. They're there with 20 seconds so he can sit and communicate to Kyle Shanahan for the next five seconds to get the right play. called and then they get the right play called and then they're going well jac thinks the niners are being disrespected to you i believe you know what yes i do uh they're going under the radar and they were just in the super bowl a couple years ago they still have a pro bowl tight end kittle they have

really good defense fred warner bosa and brock purdy has shown time in and time again that he can make a throw when his team needs it yeah yeah jamax all over him i i think seattle is my dark team. New England will double their wins. Seattle's the dark horse team in the league. For somebody who was with a great coach, come on, Shanahan. Yeah, he's a really good. I agree. It's hard to go against McVeigh, but the back scares me. I saw a gronk, the most dominant human being in the world. Reduced to not being able to walk after he fell because of his back. That's scary. No, that's scary. And he's 37.

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