The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD – HOUR 3 – Bo Nix STRUGGLES | Jordan Love Is Not That Guy 

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Colin talks to Robert Griffin III about Bo Nix's struggles last night, what to make of Jordan Love and the Packers, Aaron Rodgers, and more  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:04:15 You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Arizona State against Kansas from Wembley Stadium in London, Saturday noon, eastern on FS1. A Union Jack classic, RG3 will be getting on a plane heading over there to my favorite city in the world. London and RG3, Fox Sports, NFL and college analyst is now joining us live. Hey, before we get into that, you and I were talking during the break. A lot of times I can tell how much a staff trusts their quarterback by what they allow him to do. So the average depth of target for Bo Nix in week one was four yards. Lowest in the league.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Josh Allen, now he's the best in the league, it's 12. But that's telling me that that staff in Denver has Jalen Waddle, four-yard average target. You tell me, you played in this league. What is the staff telling me about Bo Nix? I don't think it's as much about Bo Nix. I think they do believe in Bo Nix. I think there's three problems with the Broncos right now. Number one problem, they can't protect the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Gave up four sacks. When you talk about his average depth of target, sometimes if the, if staff doesn't trust their offensive line, they will call shorter pass plays to try to help the quarterback get the ball out of his hands. So he's not put in those situations. No mistake, Bo Nix did not play well. But they didn't help protect him either against a Chief's team that looked like they were out to prove a point that they still own the AFC West.
Starting point is 00:05:48 And I think they gave him a big wet willie in the trenches. Number two, I think Jalen Waddle, like we talked about, you've got to find ways to get him involved early. He needs at least five touches in the first two possessions. Yeah. So he feels a part of the game. Like he's one of your prize offseason additions and you don't do that. And then I think number three, they just couldn't run the football.
Starting point is 00:06:07 You know, you look at the cheese. You were talking about the cheese with Kenneth Walker III, the Chicago Bears with how they ran the football. Well, early in the season, what are the problems for teams? Usually offenses start slow because the passing game isn't quite in sync yet. Yeah. And defense has struggled to tackle. So if you run the football, you're forcing the defense to do what they don't do well. and you're allowing the offensive line to do what they want to do,
Starting point is 00:06:33 which is move people, lean on them and grunt, and force the man to go somewhere he doesn't want to go. So I think that's a big part of it for the Broncos. You know, they ran the division last season, and the Chiefs came out and said not today. When you see a good team, Rams Chargers, just flat. Yeah. And again, we were talking earlier, Robert, about the NFL's never been a bigger business.
Starting point is 00:06:59 And that means more, less patience, and that means more coordinators. We had 21 new offensive coordinators. You know, Chargers have two new coordinators. Rams are always going through. Is some of the week one, like apathy or lethargy of some of these good teams is, it's just so many moving parts. I mean, listen, you had really good coordinators, but he always felt like an OC. You'd get four years out of him.
Starting point is 00:07:25 If a guy hits by year two, he's getting calls. And owners are like, they'll blow out a coach after a year now. That never happened. So I look at some of these good teams and my take is, well, you've got two new coordinators. You're not going to hit a home run on both. I mean, how do you explain the Rams, the Chargers, the Bron. I mean, he's a good team.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Philadelphia didn't play well. Detroit struggled. What do you make of that? Yeah, it's, Colin, it's like that it's Nunu isn't always good. Think ATL, the movie with TI, Nunu wasn't a great experience for him, right? but it's like having that brand new toy. You start to play with a little bit and then you figure out what it can or cannot do.
Starting point is 00:08:04 So I think when you look at these teams, the good teams that are constantly having that turnover at offensive coordinator, at defensive coordinator, it takes them time to figure out who they are, what their quarterback does well, what their defense does well. And I think, you know, honestly, you know Sean Payton really, really well.
Starting point is 00:08:21 I think you should take back over play calling. Like, he's one of the best play callers ever. And right now he's got Davis Webb calling plays I think Sean Payton should take that back over because that's how the Broncos got their success. He knows what Bowdox does well. He understands how to operate that system. And it's not a shot at Davis Webb. It's just more of a sense that this was your first time getting a chance to call the plays in a big time matchup,
Starting point is 00:08:45 the first game of the season, and the team came out flat. So I think his leash is probably going to be pretty short if Sean Payton hasn't already taken back those reins. But you talk about the coordinators that I had, Colin. you know, Kyle Shanahan, who's the 49ers coach, Sean McVey, who's the Rams coach. Matt LaFoehl for wasn't my coordinator, but he was the quarterback coach when I was in Washington. And when I had Jay Gruden, it takes time to get together. Me and Kyle didn't really click to week nine, and then we went on a run. Me and McVeigh didn't have enough time to click because I was injured.
Starting point is 00:09:18 And then me and Jay didn't have enough time to click because I was injured as well. So when you have guys like a bow necks, who misses the entire offseason and doesn't really get to get the work with the guys in like the new OC calling plays, it makes it very difficult for them to get in sync and to know what they're going to call. It's third and four. What are we calling in the third quarter when the script has already been run through?
Starting point is 00:09:40 Because most of people don't know this, but they script every third down, every fourth down, every first down play of every series. But once you get late in the game, that's when the field starts to kick in. And that's why teams like the Packers start to fall apart, I feel like.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Okay, I want to talk about the Packers. Because I remember when Matt Lafleur got the job. And I remember somebody telling me, listen, he's a smart guy and he's a great guy. I don't know if he has the presence, like a McVeigh or Shanahan, to stand in front of 55 alphas and just get him to run through a wall. You know this. Like, Shanahan can be intimidating. Like, everybody in the room knows how smart he is. And, I mean, I saw a picture of McVeigh.
Starting point is 00:10:21 He looks like Ed Reed. The guy's ripped up. You're like, Brable. Like, there are guys, like, Belichick was so hard. Like, if you didn't listen to him, you'd be playing in Jacksonville an hour later. There are different ways to motivate guys, right? Like, I look at LaFleur, and I hate to say this because I could never play a pro sport, but they come across as kind of finesse.
Starting point is 00:10:42 They can't close games. And if you don't have Josh Jacobs and Micah, those are your dudes. And they're gone. Like, I, I don't know if you can say an NFL team. feels like soft, but Green Bay kind of does. I agree on two of the three. I do not think that Matt LaFleur is soft. He was my quarterback coach.
Starting point is 00:11:07 This guy, he's a player's coach. But what I think they're missing right now, one is Josh Jacobs. He is a closer at the running back position. When you're up 22 to 17 and you want to go for it on fourth and one and you're relying on your quarterback to do a quarterback sneak, it makes you feel a whole lot better when you've, got Josh Jacobs back there that you can potentially hand the football off to and no, he's
Starting point is 00:11:28 going to get that first down. The other thing that they're missing, obviously Michael Parsons being out, but I think this is the dynamic that people don't understand that why Matla Flore and Aaron Rogers were so successful together. I know they didn't win a Super Bowl, but Aaron Rogers is a little bit of an asshole. There's no other way to describe his persona, the way that he approaches the game and Matt LaFleur needs that type of person that's in a leadership role to kind of counterbalance his niceness, his, you know, beautiful hair. Like, you know, like he is, he's not finesse, but you know what I'm saying. Absolutely. Coaches need that other guy that they can look at to be the bad guy. Aaron Rogers was able to be the bad guy. I think he won two MVPs with Matt LaFleure.
Starting point is 00:12:20 So you have to ask yourself, okay, if there's no. Josh Jacobs being the bad guy in the backfield, can Jordan Love be that guy? And I don't think Jordan Love has a personality to be that type of demanding leader at the quarterback position. So it does feel like the Packers are kind of, they're in a space where if they get in a close game, you don't know how they're going to perform because both the quarterback and the head coach have the same personality and neither of them are really inspiring you to run through a wall. Yeah, no, I think that's probably, we talked about it yesterday. You can be pretty, but football is largely a regulated violence.
Starting point is 00:12:58 It's a cage match. It's closer to UFC than it is a synchronized swimming. Like it is a brawl every Sunday. And sometimes you just have to, I was told this year's ago by a coach. He said all the great college football coaches got about 20% jerk. And if they don't, if you don't, then hire one on the D-line, hire a defensive. then hire somebody in the room that can be a bit of a jerk and leads by fear because that's what the sport is. You have to have guys give up their body and not worry about health.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Okay, let's talk some college. Yes, sir. I said yesterday, it's hard to judge Archmanning. He has this weight on him. He has the Manning name weight. He's got the Sark doesn't win big games weight. He's got the highest paid NIL guy in college weight. He's got the Texas should win a national title weight.
Starting point is 00:13:53 He's got the you got to beat Ohio State weight because they beat you last year. And I'm like, that is a lot for a college kid. I thought he was really good in the second half. But I don't think any other college quarterback is facing what he's facing. So I feel like I'm not going to be as harsh in my judgment of him. Yeah, to put it simply, like his numbers in the game, 23, 37, 195. have a touchdown on a pick. Are those Heisman trophy, give it to him today numbers?
Starting point is 00:14:24 No, it's not. But you're talking about a young man that has that manning name on his back. Goes into last year, everyone is saying he's the first pick in the draft. He's the Heisman trophy winner. Texas is going to win a national championship. And he started like four games. You know, so to go through what he went through last year and to come into this year, now having earned those accolades and earned that praise,
Starting point is 00:14:46 I just thought I was impressed with his resilience and his personal. perseverance in the game. Because I know a lot of quarterbacks, when Cam Coleman catches the ball and then tosses it to the DB after he hits the ground, they're done. They're done. Right. They're like, oh, my gosh, it's just not meant to be. Right. There's probably
Starting point is 00:15:03 people at home like, oh, Texas just can't catch a break. And then Wingo drops a touchdown. But how about, how about Wingo? Perfect throw. Drop. Arch Manning did not panic. He stayed the course and they came back from 20 points down against a team that might
Starting point is 00:15:19 have the best roster in all of college football. Probably does. And Jeremiah Smith was staking his claim to the Heisman trophy and then all of a sudden they stopped going on the ball, right? So all the mistakes that they made, Texas overcame that. So to me, although the stats weren't there and I know we live in a box scory type of watching environment right now, that to me was a first pick in the draft
Starting point is 00:15:41 performance by Archmanning. Because if you're looking for a franchise quarterback, you need him to weather the storm. You need him if he gets sacked four times, like Bo Nix did in a big time Monday night matchup that he's going to overcome that and not going to whittle under that pressure. So to me, Arch Manning is just showing off. I don't even think it's the
Starting point is 00:15:59 Manning gene because I think all of them handle it differently, but I think Arch Manning is showing you just who he is by that performance alone and he is growing as a leader. All right. So, and I used to cover Oregon and I remember Mike
Starting point is 00:16:15 Pilate was a good coach. Then he got this great O.C. Jeff Tedford. They finished number two in the country. And then Mike Bellotti was a good coach, and then he found this great coordinator, Chip Kelly, and they suddenly changed college football. That is not to say Mike Bloddy wasn't a good coach, but I do believe there are certain coaches that are more dependent on coordinators. Nick Seriani is very dependent on coordinators. McVeigh and Andy Reed, Shanahan are not. Okay, they're not. Ben Johnson, probably not. Whatever that means, it may, Demico Ryan's defense, he's calling it. He's not dependent on anybody.
Starting point is 00:16:49 But I look at Dan Lannning, they lost Will Stein, left the building. Okay. Robert, they're a mess. They are a mess. With Dan, with Phil Knight's money, with Dante Moore, somebody left that building. Yeah. And it's not personnel. I think it's the Will Stein factor.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Am I nuts? You're not nuts, but I would say the Oregon Ducks and Dan Latting actually missed Tosh LaPoy more than they miss Will Stein. Will Stein is a phenomenal offensive coordinator. I feel like he had figured out Dante Moore. He knew how to utilize their offensive skill sets, the creativity that he had with the personnel groupings that he would use, how he would move the pocket.
Starting point is 00:17:35 I feel like he was a very calming effect to what Dan Lannning is, and I believe Dan has like a sinister joy about him. Like he is just high octane, constantly redline type of guy. But when you talk to Tosh Lippoy, who's now the head coach at Cal, he was the guy that did Chicago Bears, Dylan Thean, the safety, the attention to detail, leaving no stone unturned. And you see the graphic right there.
Starting point is 00:18:02 They've allowed 554 total yards to Oklahoma State, a team that lost last week to Tulsa. Like, I'm looking at the game, and I'm like, if Ohio State has the best, roster in college football. Oregon has the second best roster in college football. So I think people underestimate
Starting point is 00:18:25 how important coordinators are and how hard it is for them to step into that role, call the plays, and write the ship when it's not going the right way. And I think, and for those reasons, Oregon is severely missing Tosh Lippoy, and I promise you the players
Starting point is 00:18:42 there would never say it, but it's probably a little bit different without his presence. All right. AsU and Kansas, Wembley Stadium in London. When's the last time you were in London? Man, I actually went to a concert in London this summer with my wife. It was a lot of fun at Wembley. But this would be the first college football game ever at Wembley Stadium.
Starting point is 00:19:05 So honored to be a part of that with my crew, Connor Onion on the play-by-play Alex Alastoy as our sideline reporter. We're going to have a lot of fun. We're going to go out early. Thank you to Eric Shanks and Jacob, and Judy allowed us to go out there and enjoy the process and soak up the city. So we're heading out tonight, actually. So that's going to be going to be a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:19:27 And you've got a pretty high-octane game. Both these teams know how to score points. So if you're trying to convert some of those European fans, you've got to put points on the board. And that's what we're looking to do, not like TCU and North Carolina when they went over there. That was pretty tough watch. I mean, Shanks is sending a crew to London on a Tuesday. I'm trying to get a good cup of coffee around here. I know who writes at this place.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Holy moly. Oh, come on, Colin. We can't do this without you. You know that. You're probably the one paying for our trip. No, no comment. Robert's great soon. Appreciate you, brother.
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Starting point is 00:27:42 I don't know and it doesn't sound great, Colin. McVeigh talked yesterday about the return of Aaron Donald. Here we go. We haven't decided that yet. He's going to continue to work his process and, you know, we'll see what that looks like. It's more about, you know, Aaron and how he can contribute to the collective. What does that look like with how he's feeling, you know, to be able to resume, you know, 11 on 11 and being able to play and do the things that he's capable of?
Starting point is 00:28:08 I still got to run some numbers on like McVeigh off a 20 point loss. Not a lot of those in his career. I know the Giants are going to be plucky, but it's almost like people are saying the Rams have no chance here. No, I just think what the Giants, first of all, it'll be a 60-40 Giants crowd. And the second thing, now McVeigh has extra time. The advantage to be like Seattle this week or the San Francisco
Starting point is 00:28:36 or the Rams or New England is, You get extra days of prep. Yeah. So those are those, I mean, I like all the teams except the Rams that had extra time to prepare. And that's only because I think the Giants are a real team. Yeah. Seven and a half is a lot of points in the NFL. A lot.
Starting point is 00:28:52 How would dogs do this weekend? All the dogs I had seem to lose. Same here. Not great, including Denver last night. All right, let's move to the Detroit Lions. We talked about this yesterday. Jemir Gibbs had a monster opener. 29 carries career high.
Starting point is 00:29:08 buck 56, two scores, plus five catches. 34 touches, I am telling you, that's unsustainable. Dan Campbell is saying the opposite that Gibbs can even do more. I thought it was a very promising week one. And certainly we know what Gibbs is, what he's capable of, and he's still not there yet. And I mean that in a good way. I mean, I'm telling you, we were this close to breaking three or four more of these,
Starting point is 00:29:34 like breaking them wide open. I mean, the shoestring away. but just a little longer block at the second level. I mean, we are close, and we're going to get that cleaned up, and he's going to get better. And so, week one, yeah, I like where he's at. I'm glad he's here. I think the Lions, I think...
Starting point is 00:29:55 You like Lions Thursday? Well, I just... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Over time on Sunday, 87 snaps. Now you've got to go on the road to face Buffalo? I'm not saying it's easy. Short week. Tyler Shuck carved them up in the secondary second half.
Starting point is 00:30:11 What's Josh Allen going to do? I would be careful here. All right. One of us may already be on the bills. Colin, final story. Now listen, I want to save some room for this. A little controversial, okay? So the Chargers had a bad loss.
Starting point is 00:30:23 They were favored by a bunch over a touchdown, lost by 12. This is irking Chargers fans. They are looking for a scapego. They're not going to blame Justin Herbert. and Jim Harbaugh is catching some flak. Now, I know he's largely bulletproof, but here's Harbaugh on maybe why they didn't look as sharp
Starting point is 00:30:44 and it has to do with not playing in the preseason. We made some preseason type of mistakes, you know, and now in retrospect, you know, we should play our guys a little bit more into preseason and given those reps. But those game-like reps, So, yeah, the odd word and attack in all areas to find improvement. Yeah, like I get it.
Starting point is 00:31:22 You're Jim Harbaugh. The offensive line since you've arrived cannot stay healthy. I'm not playing my tackles. I'm not playing my starters in the line. There's just no way I'm doing it. Arizona, meanwhile, you got guys trying to make the league. You've got seven, eight guys in that roster, some on the offensive line. Like, you're trying to make the league.
Starting point is 00:31:39 So, Chargers, like, they're roster, the good teams have a roster that's more set. The bad teams, like, guys are fighting in the preseason to impress coaches. Right. So, especially in week one, two, and three, bad teams don't know they're bad yet. Now, Arizona isn't deep. So all of a sudden, in week four, they're missing three starters. Now you're going to really suboptimal guys. That's the thing about week one.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Like, if you look at certain average teams, they're having to be. healthy. Like you get into week six, everybody's missing players. Then like Philadelphia's depth, then Detroit's depth, then the Rams death, and the Ravens' depth. That's when they take over. Okay, so listen, I like Harbaal a lot. He's very meme-worthy. I think he's a great coach. Went to the Super Bowl with San Francisco. Yeah. Goes to Michigan doesn't win a lot until the end, the final three years when he had.
Starting point is 00:32:34 He won 10 games his first year. He couldn't. He couldn't beat the Buckeyes for years. Then he regressed, right? five, I would call them choppy seasons. And as a Michigan man on our staff points out, he didn't really take over until Mike McDonald was his D.C. And then he didn't take over until the next year when Jesse Minter was his D.C. Well, he chooses good coaches.
Starting point is 00:32:54 I think that's a quality. So they go 37 and 3. And now this year, he don't have Minter. And he doesn't have a playoff win yet with the Chargers. Meanwhile, Vrabble shows up. He's in the Super Bowl. And Mike McDonald shows up, he wins a Super Bowl. So is there, again, I'm not arguing, you know, Martin, a Michigan guy, very polarizing,
Starting point is 00:33:14 because Harbaugh had the cheating allegations at Michigan, the scandals. Again, I like him a lot. I think he's one of the elite coaches in the league, but is he getting a pass for this loss? I think the Harbaas are known as culture builders. I don't think they're known as schematic guys. Let me give you some schematic guys. Peyton, Shanahan, Reed. McVeigh.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Yeah, those guys are known as like Demico Ryan's defense. He's just doing stuff other guys aren't doing. Mike McDonald. But a lot of coaches are what they call walk-around guys. They build a culture. I think that's the Harbaugh's. They build a great culture. They love football.
Starting point is 00:33:53 They're messaging, their intensity, their passion bleeds through. They also have a good eye for personnel. They know good players. John Harbaugh looked at that Giants roster, and he looked at it like, I looked at it, like, if they're healthy and have a really good draft class and add four starters, you're like, they got players. We could get Abdul Carter to say Awaken meetings. We got something. So let's pull up the Chargers schedule.
Starting point is 00:34:13 I mean, Brable leaves Josh McDaniel. Like, he just lets him run the offense. Yeah. Brable's very much a culture builder, a close to players messaging. That's not that Mike can't do X's an O's. He's bright. But some coaches are, and I think the Harbaughs are classic culture builders. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Well, I ask this because you look at this Charger's schedule, and they got to win this week, obviously. But they were looking at a two and no start. Now all of a sudden, if you slip up against the Raiders, Colin, Week 3 at Buffalo at Seattle. Drew Locke probably will be back. First Denver at Casey Buy at Rams versus Texans.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Like if they don't clean up their act here, you're looking at three and six, maybe three and five. Sorry, and Baltimore, week 10. So, I mean, this is a team you and I both liked a lot. And maybe that loss is a wake-up call or it's a nothing burger. And it's Seattle losing the opener last year,
Starting point is 00:35:04 Patriots losing the opener. But there's a world where this schedule bites him in the rear end. and I don't know who are we going to make the scapego. We can't blast Herbert. Herbert seemed, as you noted, unhappy with the line and getting hit. I don't know. Again, I'm a Harbaugh guy, but all of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:35:24 this is a bit of a hot take that I don't see that's out there. And I wonder if is Harbaugh getting a bit of a pass? I mean, if Andy Reid had lost to the Cardinals 2614 in the opener? I think it's fair. I think criticism to the organization overall is fair. Justin Herbert was in a foul mood after that game. And why? Because Justin's like, why don't we play the offensive line?
Starting point is 00:35:50 We're getting, I mean, Herbert got hammered again. Some of the numbers guys are looking at the formations McDaniels did, and he was literally grasping at straws. This isn't working. Let's quickly pivot to this. Let's go to this. There was no consistency, and it was just like a grab bag of please work, and nothing did.
Starting point is 00:36:08 If McConkey's out this week, that's not good. There aren't a lot of skill position guys on the outside there, Colin. I agree. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie new. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.
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Starting point is 00:43:07 Yeah. Or no, Philadelphia. Philadelphia did not play particularly well in one so you can coach them hard. How do you coach when you're terrible? Like Dallas didn't do anything well. They couldn't run the football. They couldn't get the ball to George Pickens. They couldn't stop the Giants.
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Starting point is 00:43:55 Remember, everybody's O-Line was struggling. The Giants wasn't. I mean, they had multiple 12 play drive, 12 play drive, 13 play drive in the second half. Like that's a Harbaugh thing, like that culture and toughness. But here was, and then last night, I don't know if Kansas City's O-line was great, but it was so unique and rare to see the Chiefs run game be explosive. I mean, Priest Holmes was, Jamal Charles was, it's like, and there's a Gulf, there's a Delta. It's like for Kenneth Walker to be that influential.
Starting point is 00:44:31 It's just different. Like Mahomes has not had that. Mahomes has had a lot of gifts. He's never had the great run game. So it's like, I mean, he's had the deep threat. He's had the tight end. He's had the great defense. He's had the great pass rush.
Starting point is 00:44:43 He's had all, he's had the great O line when he first got there when they had all pro tackles. He's never had the star running back. This is Patriots like when the Belichick would go, okay, we're going to go two tight ends. We're going to go Randy Moss, slot receiver. Now they're pivoting, you know, we had Tyreek Hill, then Travis Kelsey, now we're going to go to the run game. But I don't, this is one game for Walker.
Starting point is 00:45:04 Come on. Do you really, do you see him being a 1,300 yard back for them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. If he stays healthy. That's the problem. You can't give him this many touches in week one. Well, they also drafted in the sixth round, this kid Washington from Nebraska.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Right. He's at, he runs really hard, smaller back. So they've got, they've got a kind of a, they've got a guy, a young guy that you can, running backs can play as rookies. It's, you know, it's fine the whole, fly through the hole. I just thought Mahomes has had the Tyree kill, he's had the Pro Bowl tied in, he had the legendary coach, he's had the Pro Bowl tackles, he's had the Pro Bowl center, he's had Spags having the best defense. He's had everything. Spags, by the way, was great lesson. He's never had a dominating running back.
Starting point is 00:45:45 And, you know, remember a few years ago, you and I were pushing back. Everybody was like, running backs, running back's a dead position. We're like, are you kidding me? I mean, football will always be, the Giants proved it. Football will always be basically resolved in the second half. If Green Bay can't run the football, they can't seal wins. I mean, that's the one thing the Bears do and the Packers don't right now. It's run the football.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Both have good quarterbacks. Both have offensive coaches. Both old lines are good, maybe not special. Both have defenses unless Mike is playing. They don't really get a consistent pass rush. Both have some issues at secondary. both have weapons. The difference is the bears can run
Starting point is 00:46:26 and the Packers can't without Josh Jacobs. Like, to me, that's the sport. That's why when Kenneth Walker left, what did the Seahawks do with their first pick? They wouldn't get a running back. I thought DeAndre Swift and Walker, Kenneth Walker, looked like two of the best running backs in the league.
Starting point is 00:46:42 What's crazy is Denver has Dobbins, Harvey, Coleman. Coleman? I don't think how to carry. I'm on my fantasy team. My take is, you've got three running backs. Coleman was good in college. Well, they were trailing.
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