The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Chris Broussard stops by The Herd

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Chris Broussard joins The Herd to talk about a new possible destination for Giannis Antetokounmpo Colin also broke down Travis Kelce’s new deal in KCSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, you're right. Lakers fans want you to go back on vacation, head back to the Caribbean. If they lose to the Pistons tonight, okay, you've got to get out of America. The Lakers are so hot right now. And it's not just me saying that. Everybody's noticed.

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Because that is the magic of Luca Dantzich. Luca at the top of his game makes everyone around him better. You got Luca Dantzich and LeBron James on the court at the same time. You have a chance. Always against anyone. I would argue that Austin Rehnich, is finally 100% healthy is that I always thought Austin Rebes was a bit, you know, a little overstated his importance. Now I think he's underrated because LeBron's playing so well and LeBron, you know,

kind of sucks the oxygen out of most rooms. I think now one of the more underrated players in the league. Now again, you put him in a playoff series. People are going to hunt him. You're not much of a defensive player. Some athletic limitations. But I would say Austin Reeves right now being healthy. I don't know if anybody's done the data on this. Austin Reeves, healthy and Austin Reeves not playing or banged up, that's part of the nine-game winning streak, too. Yeah. And just imagine next year potentially. LeBron doing a little, like 90% of what he's doing now, but making the league minimum instead of 50 million. Now that's possible. I know, I don't want to jump too far ahead. Let's get the Lakers through the Western Conference finals first. Take it down the

thunder. It'll be fine. You just love to see it. Lakers Pistons tonight. No Cade Cunningham. Well, that's brute. I mean, they can't advance. I mean, he is their offense. That is a, you, I mean, it's, I'm sorry. I don't know if they're going to have Cade for the first round, Colin. It's not a lock that he's back. It says he's reevaluated in four weeks.

So injuries taking their toll, Anthony. Edwards is down right now. But the Thunder got J-dub back. We'll see if that wrecks their chemistry. All right, enough bashing OKC. Let's stick in the NBA. Oh, wait, we can bash OKC more. Because wouldn't you know it?

OKC. gotten another fight over the weekend. What's wrong with these guys? Look at this. Here we go. Against the lowly wizards. A lot of trash talking. Oh, there's a shove. And here we go. They're in the stands throwing haymakers. J. Lynn Williams, not J. Dub, the other J. Williams. Four players were ejected. A.J. Mitchell, who's a good promising player for O.K.C. I don't know what he's thinking here. What are we doing getting in a fight with the tanking Wizards? Let me defend OKC. First of all, they play real defense every night. Okay. unlike everybody else, they'll put a body on you.

Secondly, there's a feeling in the NBA, they get the whistle. Yeah, they do. And they don't, but there's a feeling. The third thing is coaches, because OKC reminds me of the old Stockton Malone, T. Bailey, Hornacek Jazz, Jerry Sloan, the coach, they're chippy. And they put their hands on you. And so the way to beat them is you have to meet their sort of energy. Yes.

And so what happens is a lot of O'KKKKs, KC games get chippy, and we can blame OKC, but they give you, they're so deep, they have great energy, they put a body on you, and the way to beat them is to match that. So OKC games, to me, feel like they're almost, and this is not even to the playoffs yet, I think the league has a little animosity toward OKC and the chippiness they play with, but I think a lot of it is I'm going to give a team credit that comes every night and usually gives you a great defensive effort. Come on. No, maybe the refs should be like, hey, you guys can't put your hands all over these guys. You haven't even bought them dinner yet. And you're all over them, all over the court. And that's what's leading to the fights, Colin.

They're playing too aggressive. If the refs don't nip this stuff in the bud, you get fights. Well, this is not bad for basketball, the intensity. What hurts the NBA is load management, tanking, and nobody gives a rip. If I get one of these a week, where two guys are going on. One of these a week? What do you want this to be the high? with fights? Come on.

This is garbage. I didn't bother me at all. I think, listen, they're not touching fans. They're just banging into each other. I don't want to see, I'm here to see basketball, artistry. I don't want to see fights. I want to see fights. I'll go watch UFC or boxing.

I'm disappointed in OKC. You know it. Final story, Colin, this one, they just brought this to me. I'm a little shocked. So UNC and Hubert Davis, obviously North Carolina had a brutal loss up by 19 against VCU. And there is a lot of chatter in Chapel Hill that's, they're going to run Huber Davis out. I cannot believe that Todd Golden,

the Florida coach, is the favorite... What? He just won a Natty at Florida. And he's going to leave for Chapel Hill? Why would you leave Florida for Carolina... Now, Carolina historically is better. Yes.

Okay, I'm not denying that, but your rival is Duke. You're not. Who's Florida's basketball rival? Do they have one? They are one of the best teams of the SEC the last couple of years. Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

Doesn't make sense at all. If you're in Florida, no state tax. I mean, Gainesville's a great place to live. I used to live in town. Gainesville's great. You have total support of the administration. Florida football and basketball jobs are great. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Yeah, now, Golden has had some issues off the court. You can look them up on the internet if you want. It just wasn't great. I don't see this as a possibility. I do, it does sound like the momentum is there for Hubert Davis to get shoved out, which stinks. You guys, you know, we went to the same high school. He's obviously a lot older than me.

But Huber Davis is a super nice guy. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. If I said 10 best jobs in college basketball. So let's say like Duke. Top 10. Well, I mean, Duke, Yukon, Kansas, UNC. Those are for sure the headline.

Arizona. I think Michigan's getting up there. And I'm telling you, I would go. So one, two, three, four, five. And I'm talking everything. All in your state. Kentucky apparently spent $20 million. Duke, Yukon, Kansas, Carolina, Arizona.

Now, there is some question. The feeling in North Carolina is you're not going to lose anybody in the portal at Carolina. They'll just pay top dollar. Hold on. Yeah. So here's a great example. Walter Clayton, he was the bucket getter last year for them, the guard. Really good college player.

I don't know if he'll be a great NBA player. He's on the jazz. Okay, they lost him, the bucket getter. And they still can come back and they're a number one seed. Yeah. So, I mean, I think Carolina probably cares more about basketball. Florida feels like a football school with a great basketball program. Carolina feels like first, second, and third of basketball school that may not tolerate Belichick for eight more games.

But they are now. So I guess, I mean, I would say Carolina's fourth, fifth, third, best job. Florida's top seven or eight, is it not? I mean, you've got to put Kentucky in there, obviously. Oh, yeah, my bad. Kentucky's top five. The NIL situation has really changed the landscape. I cannot see Golden leaving for Chapo.

I don't see that at all. Florida is a cash cow just like. Without getting into too many particulars, you said go to the internet on Golden. Did he get in trouble or something? Yeah, he was doing some weird stuff and sliding into D. And it just, it wasn't a great look, but somehow he dodged the charges and then a year later, like, wins the national championship. So it's interesting. College basketball, man, it's getting wild out there.

The guy at Vandy, Bingington, I butchered his name just now. He is on the rise, man. That guy did some really good things this year, good recruiter. Keep an eye on him. Yeah, the downside to taking these Kentucky jobs. I mean, Mark Pope, is this second year at Kentucky? Yeah. So the downside to take in these Carolina Kentucky jobs.

I mean, Kentucky, Mark Pope won at BYU. He went to Kentucky. He's a super bright guy. And it's year two, and they're trying to run him off. It's like, you know what? You can stay in Florida. If you make the tournament and you're a top three seed for the next five, six, seven years, Gainesville's a great place to live.

That's about as good as job as college basketball has. Yeah. All right, J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Sorry, Kentucky. You're a great job.

And also, I've been rough on John Calipari through the years. You know, I said he had a quote at Kentucky that drove me crazy when he came out and he said, hey, my job is to not win games. It's to get guys to the NBA. And so I started calling him John Calaponsie. a little bit of a Ponzi scheme but in fairness in fairness to Calipari

this Arkansas is suddenly the big dog this morning in the SEC so you can say what you want about Calipari Darius Acuff is unbelievable and Calipari can recruit and

you know he may have struggled at the end at Kentucky but Kentucky's got a lot of You're dealing with a lot of stuff in Kentucky. There's a lot of weird expectations. With that Chris Broussard cover in the NBA since 1995. Oh, I want to ask you, before I get to the NBA, I've got to ask you about Darren Peterson. I said this. There's like a 10% Ben Simmons vibe.

Like I'm like, well, does he love it? And also, he's got durability issues. And Cooper Flagg said this year, he goes, man, the difference in college in the NBA, you play a lot of basketball. The games are longer. There's three times as many. You also have to play defense in the NBA. In college, you can get away with a, you know, not playing great defense.

Are there any, do you hear any reservations about Peterson, Kansas going number one? Because he's a sensational talent. But, you know, durability. He also, Chris, he kind of plays in a silo, no assists. He average, like, less than two a game. So, like, he needs the ball when he's on the floor. or doesn't necessarily elevate others. Any negatives you're hearing?

Well, most people like him a lot, and he's going to obviously go high in the draft. But, yeah, some of the things you mentioned. Like, personally, I like DeBanza out of BYU better. I would take him number one. I think Peterson's obviously got a bright future, but the red flags are glaring, Colin, like just missing so many games for bizarre or hidden reasons, right?

all of that. And that, I mean, you bring up Ben Simmons. I have not heard that comp. No, that's my opinion. Just a passion thing. No, it scares you. I mean, because Ben Simmons had all the talent in the world. And, you know, obviously we know how that worked out.

I'd hesitate to put him in that bucket. But there's a lot of red flags there for sure. Look, I don't hold the game this weekend against him so much. A lot of people are looking at he was inefficient, five for 15, I believe. didn't kind of take over the game. No, he didn't. You're talking about that passion, that killer instinct, didn't really show you that. So those are things, but I hesitate to overreact to one tournament game.

Right, right. But, look, he'll be a top five pick without question, and he should. But there are some other guys that I don't have the same reservations about. So I would, there's a lot of concern there, as great as he is as far as talent. Yeah, and I don't think he's going to be Ben Simmons. I'm saying 10%. there's just something there where I'm a little uneasy with his durability. And I mean, listen, man, in the NBA, you've got to play hurt.

I mean, it's just, you're just playing so many games. It's so taxing on your body. Okay, let's get to the NBA. I said, I always knew the Lakers were gifted offensively. They're actually playing better defensively. LeBron's a big part of that. But you know what's funny? Rich Paul reached out to me a couple weeks ago.

He was mad at me. And because I was saying, like, I'm not sure with Luca and Austin's inability to really play elite defense, and LeBron at his age can't compensate, I'm not sure he's a good fit. I think LeBron hears everything. I think right now he is just trying to, he's trying to prove all of us TV critics wrong. Do you think this team, because the playoffs are different, you don't get the whistle, same team, seven nights, they can hunt your best, your worst defensive players. Does this Laker team, are they built for the playoffs?

We know they're built for the regular season, great offensively. That doesn't necessarily translate to postseason wins. Do you think they translate? Well, first of all, to your point about LeBron not being a fit, he wasn't earlier in the season. He wasn't until he came back a couple weeks ago and decided. Now, to his credit, he watched, you know, this win streak started with him on the bench, injured and he watched them and figured out what is the best way for me to help this team win.

And that's by being kind of this high-opt-tane role player, right? He's doing so many things he hasn't done throughout his career. He's sitting in the corner for the corner three. He's running the floor incredibly. He's in the dunker spot. Like, he is being a tremendous role player that on nights when Austin Reeves doesn't hasn't happened, for instance, he'll go for 30, like the other night. So LeBron has really changed his game to fit with Luca and Austin Reeves, so that's great.

As far as the playoffs, I think the Lakers, Colin, are the third best team in the West, behind OKC and San Antonio. They're one in five against those two teams this season. But look, first round, if they get Houston, will not beat them. I think Houston's done. The Lakers would beat Houston, no question. Minnesota and Denver, if they get one of them, that'll be tough. Denver, I would see that kind of as a seven-game series.

I can see either team winning that. What would be interesting, Colin, if the Lakers get to the second round and face the spurs. Now, I think the spurs are a better team, but they're inexperienced. Everybody has that question. That's the one question about the spurs, especially since they've been shooting the three well the last few weeks. months is they're inexperience in the playoffs how is wimby stephan castle uh dylan harper all these guys going to react to the playoffs and then they would be facing the most experienced playoff guy you could face in lebron lucca obviously has a lot of experience deandre aton played in the finals like

marcus smart has gone deep so that would be a real test case for the power of experience so i would I think right now I'd pick the spurs, but that would be in the back of my mind. Like, you know, if the spurs don't react properly to the playoffs, the tough seven game series, could the Lakers with their experience? J.J. Reddick also has more experience than Mitch Johnson, who'd be in his first playoffs. So that's what intrigues me about that round, but I think the spurs are better and I likely would pick them. You know, it's interesting. I think sometimes when you make a big deal,

so Janice is out there, and what's going to happen to the Nick? Nick's got a break when, you know, Cade Cunningham is going to be out. That's a break, because the Pistons had hammered the Knicks. And without Cade, they just can't score the ball. So then Tatum comes back. That's not necessarily good, although they played bad the other night,

but the Celtics are back. And so I don't think the Knicks are winning the title. But if they got to the finals, you can make an argument. They don't have to make a Janus move. But if they got bounced by an Orlando or they got bounced by a Cleveland or a Boston, my argument is this, Brew, Brunson is a smaller player who has the ball a lot. He's going to age quickly. And Cat, we all kind of know the game on Cat, defensive liability.

Yonis sounds like it'd be a perfect fit. But now he's having lower body injuries. They're adding up. So I think the Knicks are fascinating. If they get to the finals, you keep OG, you keep heart, you run it back. If you don't,

I think there's going to be a lot of heat to make a Yonis move. And let me ask you as somebody who lives in New York, I don't know if I want to give up four firsts for Yonis. and OG and a Josh Hart, or you're going to have to have a salary? What the Yonest Knicks thing, how where are you on that? Well, one, I think the Knicks would have trouble making a deal that was fair for Milwaukee. Like the Knicks, you know, remember they gave up so many draft picks for Mikhail Bridges.

So they don't have a ton of picks to trade to Milwaukee for Yonis. So what the Knicks would have to do to get Yonis is, unless the Bucks would have to do, want to do them a favor, which I wouldn't if I'm the Bucks, they would have to go out and get a third or fourth team, I think, to make this happen. Somewhat similar to a Golden State, which will go after him as well. I think, Colin, yeah, sure, if I'm the Knicks and I don't get to the finals, I'm trying my darnness to get Yonnis. I just think it's going to be tough with a third or fourth team having to be involved.

Colin, the team, I think, made a mistake, and I think should go. wholeheartedly after Yanis this summer is Houston. Houston should have gone, they should have offered Shingoon and whether it's Reed, Shepard, or some other young players. So I agreed with you on this. Yes, I agree with you on this.

That's the mistake. So they got to do that this summer because it's good. I love Shingoon, but I don't think he's good enough or will be good enough ever to like lead a team to the championship. Fair. You got Durant so you win now.

Go get Giannis. this summer and pair him with Durant. And, I mean, that'd be a great team try to win a championship. So I think Minnesota also should make a charge, although I don't know that they'd have the pieces. Yeah. See, this is my take on this as well. Like, I know Houston does not want to give up Amman Thompson.

Like, I know that. He is defense and energy and athleticism. And you might be able to keep him. I agree with that. I think they maybe could keep him in that deal, but, you know, we'd have to see. So I want to talk KD. So he just surpassed MJ.

We put up the board, the graphic earlier. And I said, KD reminds me of Wilt. In that most great players, LeBron, Steph, Magic Bird, Dr. J, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan. There's almost an obsessiveness about winning. Their moves are always about winning, joining the best. KD. left the dynasty to go play with a friend in Brooklyn. And like, Willett Chamberlain, like, was a man without a country. Like, you know, Will it was just flaky and fun and a big personality.

I love Kevin Durant's game. I think he's one of the great, I mean, and I mean, I put him in the MJ offensively elite category. I think he's one of the great offensive players in the history of the sport, catch and shoot, off the dribble. I think he's unbelievable. Do you think history, because he's bounced around, will history be kind to Kevin Durant? In a league where a lot of players don't want to make news, I mean, he'll come out and just tell you, I don't want to be a leader. I'm a baller. I mean, he doesn't even care.

Right. And I like that about him. Will history be kind to Duran? Look, I think Kevin Durant is a top 20 player of all time. A lot of people think that's too low. Like some people have him knocking on the door to top 10. I say top 20. And the thing is this, Kyle, look, when we talk legacies, obviously we include winning so much.

But organization, coaches, teammates, all of that's important. If Kevin Durant had stayed, you mentioned him going to Brooklyn. If he had, to each his own, if he was happy with his moves, then thank God for that. It's all, it's about what he wanted to do. But if he had stayed in Golden State, Colin, he would probably have, what, four championships, maybe more, maybe five. and instead of Steph being the guy that's viewed as top 10 now all time, Durant would be that guy because people looked at Durant as the best player on that team. He won the two finals MVP's.

But when Steph won it without him after Durant left, he moved up into that top 10 in most people's eyes. That would have been Durant. So you are right in that his legacy, I think it's obviously going to be great, but it could have been much better had he stayed and going to stay. And I'll say this for his legacy. I think Durant is the

evolution of Dirk Novitsky. All right, he was a bet. He was like, Dirk was that first seven-footer that was primarily a perimeter player. And, you know, wasn't a terrific rebounder defender,

but just a score. That was Duran, better shooter, better three-point shooter, better score than Dirk. And guess what? I think Wimby, not that we're going to see a bunch of Wimby's, but he's like the evolution of Durant because he's 7,6 doing what Durant can do and then some. So, yeah, Dirk, K.D. Wimby in my mind, but that's the evolution.

Yeah. Great stuff, Brew, as always. First things first after our show. Good seeing you, buddy. All right, Colin, thanks. Yeah, I think, I don't know where I'd put Durant and I've never written it down, but I will say that I think in the history of basketball, there's not five guys more offensively gifted. Oh, wow, look at this.

Wow, wow. Take a break back. News, breaking. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend.

But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends.

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Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinchin win.

I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, this is a breaking news. Chiefs Pro Bowl tied in. Travis Kelsey, going to be 37 in October. Early in the season, he just signed a three-year deal worth $55 million. Thereabouts.

He can make about 58 with some incentives. But I know J-MAC's not going to like that. Listen, the Chiefs are still fifth-best odds to win the Super Bowl. Why? Because people are betting the Hunt family, Brett Veach, Mahomes. Kelsey in a big spot. Andy Reed, Steve Spagnola. What you're betting on is their excellent leadership.

I mean, go look at the Patriots last year. How are they so good? Part of it was Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels, Mike Vrable, the former Patriot, good young quarterback. Their roster wasn't one of the two best in football. No way. I mean, the O line was a mess. They need another tight end and another receiver.

This is a leadership league. it really and so to me how did the broncos turn around the organization with that terrible cap hit Sean Payton now they have the second or first richest owners in the sport you know Cortland Sutton good leader Garrett Bowles the left tackle good leadership it's a leadership league we all think it's a talent league it's a leadership league I mean Aaron Rogers literally got the Steelers to the playoffs they didn't have a number two receiver they were an awful offense until he got there they're the oldest defense one of them in the league they overspend on defense Aaron rogers leadership

EQ IQ whatever you want to call Aaron was just made him a very good red zone team they were a terrible red zone team the previous five years so I I look at this and I'm like if this is what Mahomes read and Brett Veatch say hey he's still great on third down then you know three year deal can end up being two years I mean it's I don't guarantee money I get it

It's a leadership league, and he is going to be, I mean, here's the other thing. The wide receivers for the chiefs, Rishi Rice, don't trust his maturity. Xavier Worthy's talented, but a gadget guy. They don't have a, I mean, McColl Hardman, they don't have a guy I trust. So Kelsey on third down in red zone, I trust him. Bahalms trust him. Andy Reid trust him. So you don't like it, though.

Well, that's a good take that you trust Kelsey. is it also saying that Veach and Reed don't trust the wide receivers? I wouldn't trust a room is weak. I wouldn't trust them either, and it's a bad receiving class. Now, the counter is I just looked up, you know, the history of tight ends who are 37 years old. And according to most of the data, tight ends start to decline around 32. I can't find a wide receiver over 37 who had a 1,000-yard season. 859 yards, Tony Gonzalez, seems to be the cap.

I don't think, I don't think Travis Kelsey is about thousand-yard seasons. I think he is a third down, red zone, fourth-down, situationally excellent player. He and Mahomes can read each other's minds. You're not looking for him to have 94 catches. That's not what this is about. Where are you getting the punch from? The running game, Kenneth Walker? I mean, overpaying for the rush.

I think they believe if they can nail, if they can get that right tackle from Utah with their first pick. They like Simmons at left tackle. Tread Humphrey's awesome at center. Trey Smith is outstanding. I think the chiefs believe, listen, our offensive line looked bad last year. We actually think if we can solve right tackle, it's really, really good. So I think they're off. And I think they kind of feel like, listen, we're going to have a rookie right tackle. We're going to have a second ear left tackle. We now have a veteran quarterback, a veteran running back, a veteran center. We're going to be a little older. We're going to be a little older in some spots on offense, but the defense is mostly young. Outside of Chris Jones, it's mostly young.

So I don't like the Trent McDuffie move bothers me. Kenneth Walker and Travis Kelsey, I mean, this is a quarterback league. If Mahomes is better with a new right tackle, Kenneth Walker and Kelsey, then you do it. Yeah. Let me ask you, so Super Bowl odds have the Chief's fifth best in the league. You and I have the Chief's third best in their division. Right. So there's a big disconnect here. Is this, you know, Vegas saying, hey, buy the Chiefs low.

Mahomes is back. They're not going to miss the playoffs again. I think that would be dumb money to invest in the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. Well, it was a down year in the AFC. Lamar got hurt, right? There was the McDermott heat. Herbert's both tackles. The offensive line was egregiously bad. So it was a Indiana was playing great until Daniel Jones got hurt.

It was a weird year in the AFC. My take is it's a bounce back year. If Aaron comes back with a Steelers, they're going to be a good football team. Not great, but good. So Travis Kelsey led them in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. And they missed the playoffs. He's older, but again, it's not about total catches.

That's not what he... That's not what the Seahawks need JSN to be because they don't have a dependable two. All right. Travis Kelsey. Screams 7 and 10, doesn't it? Maybe I get invited to the wedding. Hey guys, it's us.

The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called... Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. First people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's, Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.

If we didn't talk ever again, I was crying. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Mark keep coming to you. He's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs.

This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. Is everyone lying to me about who they are? I felt such desperation. I felt it was what I had to do.

Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice.

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