The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Eagles are still trying to make the right adjustments, Dan Campbell should get more credit, Geoff Schwartz

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Colin talks to former NFL offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz about the Eagles trying to make things right with AJ Brown, Dan Campbell not getting enough credit after losing his coordinators, Baker Mayfield's great start to the season, and more See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jeff Schwartz, eight years in the NFL, Fox Sports analyst, former NFL offensive lineman. By the way, let me throw this at you. USC Michigan. Who do you like? I like Michigan and Colin. You got to point me in the direction of when USC is being the team under Lincoln Riley that could push around in the trenches. The answer I think is never, Notre Dame four years ago maybe,

but Notre Dame wasn't what they are. I just got to see it, man. I have to see it from USC. We know what Michigan is, right? They're going to run the football. They're going to have two, three, four-yard carries and hit a 75-yard touchdown. We know offensively, Underwood is really, really good, but he's young. He's going to make some mistakes.

he's also going to make some explosive plays. On the flip side, right? U.S.'s offense line's a little beat up. I think Page is back, though. Page is really good. It's a big addition back for them. But Michigan can punch them in the mouth. How do they play against a defense like that?

So, USC is certainly talent enough to win this game, Colin, but they haven't won this game in years. And so I will take Michigan until proven otherwise. I said this is a referendum game on Lincoln Riley, because they go to Notre Dame next. They go to Oregon in a few weeks. They're not winning those games. this is going to be a signature game.

We're going to look at this game, and if USC can't win at home and they're healthy now up front, we're going to look at this and go, we have to come to terms with Lincoln Riley. He's not the culture builder. He's a recruiter. He's a coach. I think if they lose this game, it's like James Franklin. You just come to the realization. He's not good situationally in big games.

I think if Lincoln loses with Notre Dame and Oregon coming up, you have to kind of acknowledge what Lincoln is. Am I wrong? I don't think you're wrong. you know USC fans will point to a rebuild into year four, which is what it is. But we know they're rebuilding that defense sort of on the fly here. But you have everything sort of in your way, right? You're off a buy, okay?

So you have time repair. You mentioned they're healthier along the front and then they were against Illinois. But also USC has played better at home than on the road, right? The road has been the issue for them. So if you can't win this game with Michigan, we've seen a lot of teams that come out west make these big, you know, these big trips have struggled a little bit. And again, you are facing a true freshman quarterback. Now, the Coliseum is not Oklahoma, right?

You're going to have a ton of Michigan fans there, but still a big atmosphere, it's 100,000 fans. It's a giant stadium. It's the history of USC. So there is that on your side. And you think you have to, because you imagine, if you don't win this game, you're probably not being Notre Dame,

you're not being Oregon. Now you're looking at eight wins again. Maybe you're going to upset somewhere else. Because it's seven, and that's not where USC wants to be. Yeah. One more college question. Oregon replaced all 11 offensive starters. Dan Lanning is a defensive guy, and they're great.

You know, when people talk about this, like, what's, it's really fascinating to look at Oregon. But whether people want to admit it or not, Ohio State and Oregon are the two best teams on the country I've seen. And I'm neutral field. I think that like Oregon last year was good, but they weren't as physical. You know, when they played, you know, neutral field, Ohio State, you could see the gap. I don't think there's a huge gap. I think they're as good as anybody. What is Dan Lannin's secret sauce?

Southern guy comes to Oregon, even better than Christobal, who's crushing it in Miami. Why has Lannin worked as a southern guy so well out south or out west? Well, I think you mentioned that the all new starters, right? And what they do really well, and I know people say, well, they just buy the players. Well, other teams buy players too, right? But Oregon buys the right players, Colin, right? Look at their hit rate in the portal. They hit home runs.

They don't have a lot of guys who sit on the bench who are portal guys. They have one this year, essentially, the running back. We just didn't know that the true freshman are that good, quite honestly. And so he finds the right players that fit what they want to do. And then he buys him, you know, he gets him to buy into the culture. And, you know, look, it's toughness, right? It's accountability. You mentioned offensive.

Will Stein is an incredible offense coordinator. I hope he stays there as long as he can. But, you know, he lets Will Stein do his thing on offense. And he does the defense with Tosh, and they make it work together. But I think for him and really the staff, it's a talent acquisition. They find the right guys for what they want to be. He was at Georgia for those years. Their defense line is not what Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis, but it's 330.

It's 335. It's 350. Like he gets the right guys to run what he wants to do. And then there's just a confidence. I think one thing, too, that he lets his guys be themselves, right? He lets their personality shine. He lets him play, you know, he play how they want free. And then he also buys in.

You see this in the videos, right? They buy into whatever. stadium is a whiteout let's buy into the white out let's buy into the tradition of uh that uh wisconsin is doing so i think that all those things matter uh for for landing in the excessive organ so let's go to the nfl um eagles have great personnel lions have great personnel in their offensive lines both change coordinators detroit's may be better philadelphia is a mess i think philadelphia didn't have a personnel issue I think they have a coordinator issue,

and we've seen this before with the Eagles. They're very coordinator dependent. They are because Siriani is more the CEO in the alpha. He's not Shanahan scheme-wise. So how can a coordinator come in, and this appears to be the case in Philadelphia, and the O-line regresses? Like how?

Explain that to me. Well, the O-line is a little more beat up than they have in previous years, right? They obviously have a new right guard. Lane's been beat up at right tackle. I mean, regression does happen at that position over time, right? I mean, that's, again, the injuries do play a big role in this. But look, it generally takes half a season for a new officer coordinator

to feel comfortable with figuring out what a team is good and not good at. You know, you come in that position, you're hired from within, you want to sort of run the same things, and you realize maybe the same things don't work anymore. How do we adjust and make it happen? and teams are taking away the run. They're forcing and hurts to be the guy, keep him in the pocket where he's not always the best passer from just the pocket.

He has that internal clock that he sort of holds the ball sometimes a little bit too long, and they're making them be uncomfortable offensively, but it's still through week five. You mentioned last year, right, through week four, everyone wanted to fire Sierra Rani. They're two and two, and they lost one more game for the next 21 or whatever it was.

So I think they'll figure it out, but it does take time. We're just used to happening faster in Philly, and the offense line's been so dominant, just isn't that case right now. You mentioned the Lions Colin. I think Dan Campbell's not getting enough credit here. Like Dan Campbell's an offensive coach,

who I think has far more saying the offense than we give him credit for. Because you look at what they're doing now, it looks very similar to what they did with Ben Johnson. And so the correlation between that is Dan Campbell, who's still there and a big part of the offense. I'm not sure it gets enough credit for how good this offense is with the coordinator change.

Yeah. Are you surprised how good Baker makes, field is. I mean, he's an MVP candidate. When you watch him, because he's not a perfect size, he's not quite as athletic because I think he thinks he is. Sometimes he runs on like, slow down, bro. And he right now would be the MVP of the league.

Doesn't have Evans. Doesn't have Bucky Irving. And he is tearing it up. And he is great late game quarterback. Are you surprised? I'll tell you what, he's the most fun to bet on because every game, you know, he's going to scrap and claw. He might not cover it.

They didn't cover him in Svilly. But last week, right, just like scrap and fight and claw and try to get every yard possible. He's always had the arm, right? And he was drafted very high for a reason. It was a matter of maturity, which he's admitted. He's matured in Tampa. They also look, they have a lot of good personnel around it.

The offensive line's a little healthier now, right? But when they're whole, they're one of the best in the NFL. You mentioned Evans is not there, but then Abuco comes in, and he's immediately good. And you have Ted Johnson who's playing well. they add the personnel around him. And I think they found a rhythm of what the offense can be around Baker. It's the importance of just understanding what your quarterback can and can do.

They had a lot of coordinator changes too, and it made it work. Right. So it comes down to me, I think Baker just telling and understanding like this is what I'm good at. Let's do it. Dude, he just fights, man. Like he's so much fun to watch because they're never out of a game. He's giving 100%. He's laying on the line.

And he's the quarterback thing. A lot of us want to guide our teams, right? Just a guy that we want to root for. and we see the battle from him each and every week. So this year is crazy. 15 quarterbacks have a passer rating over 100. Last year it was 11, the year before 6. And there's a lot of reasons why.

I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches now. There wasn't 20 years ago or 10 years ago, the McVeigh tree. There's just all these smart guys. I do think some of it is this. And tell me if I'm wrong, Jeff, because I could be, that outside of golf and Stafford, almost all quarterbacks move. you can't play man to man. You have to play a zone.

You can't turn your back on quarterbacks. And so, I mean, these kids have personal coaching, 10,000 snaps for the time they're 14. It's throwing to spots. And with better coaching and kids with more reps when they enter the league, they're good at throwing to spots. I mean, Pukkahua does not separate. He's always open.

It's throwing to spots. And I think, you know, people just complete now 68%. it used to be breezed at that Donald can do that why do you think there's this explosion of passer ratings half the leagues at 100? Well you mentioned something important here

right like defenses are playing a lot more zone now because the idea is just keep everything in front of you right? You know it's supposed to plays are kind of the death for any team right? If you give up a lot of them you're going to get beat quite often so we're going to play too high and we're going to make everything keep in front of us and these quarterbacks

are realizing that I think rightfully so these receivers dude are incredible these wide receivers now i mean you come in the NFL and you're good almost immediately at this position for a lot of these guys and just get the ball in their hands and let them run and quarterbacks are understanding like let's just take what's there and get you know five-yard throw you know six-seven-yard run like we're fine with that and then eventually it opens up a little bit and you take some shots i think quarterbacks are just far more okay now with we're not taking home runs we're just going to take what's in front of us coordinators are doing a great job of scheming up just individual plays that are easy on

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So finally, I said this. If I had to vote coach of the year, Baker is my MVP because he's doing that without Evans and Buckie Irving. DAC would be second. My coach of the year is Kyle Shanahan. Matt Jones, who I think has more natural talent than Daniel Jones in terms of throwing the football, not the athlete, the fact that they're leading the division and 50% of their best players are not available. People that we've given up on are now starring. I mean, were you, did you ever plan a team that you went into a game missing six starters?

and you actually played inspired football in one. I think what he is doing in San Francisco, they may not win a division, but you can have a great year coaching and not end up winning playoff games because of what you do with what you have. How do you explain the Niners' success with backups everywhere? Well, it obviously is a belief in the system of what they do, right,

and that you can plug and play guys? And look, can you do it in a whole season? Probably not. But you can have a Mac Jones come in and he knows the offense, he knows who to throw the ball to. He's talked about that. The important is getting the ball in the playmaker's hands. And then defensively, they still have enough guys.

Now, Bois is out, obviously, and that's a big loss. But, you know, Warner is there. And, you know, the very end of that game, they forced to fumble. They stopped the Rams on fourth down. Like, they're winning these moments that are important when you want to have a four-and-one record. And so, I get him to tell you, look, that game was they were underdog by over touchdown. And throughout the entire game, they were with the Rams. They obviously won at the very end.

I think the Rams are better, but clearly in that night and maybe moving forward, they're not. And I played a one team that was really beat up like this, Colin. We sucked. I mean, we were terrible after we everyone got hurt. I mean, look at the Ravens, right? The Ravens have lost more guys. I get it. But they're nowhere competitive each and every week.

And I just went to a division rival who's had their number recently and thoroughly beat them. They were up the entire game and ended up with a three-point win. So I give them a lot of credit. When Purdy comes back, and some of the wide receivers come back, they should be able to continue. We talked with the Niners big this year. Look, their schedule is pretty easy. This is a team that should win 12 or 13 games, and they're staying on track with a bunch of backups right now.

You played for the Chiefs. Your brother started for years at the Chiefs. I'm not worried at all. I think next week when they get Rishi Rice, I thought the offense the last two weeks has been the best that it's been in three or four years. I think they're going to make the playoffs. I'm not worried.

Are you? Oh, they'll make the playoffs. The pastures is a problem. It's been a problem for a while now. It was the most underlooked part of the Super Bowl. loss. They didn't touch Jaylenhurst the entire game. They can't get home with four calling. We know their pressure packages are great and they can get, you know, but if you block the pressure package up, we saw Herbert beat him in week one doing that.

I think week one doing that. They lost in week two on a pressure play as well. Like you have to be able to get home with four. So I am curious that the chiefs decide to go get someone, a pass rusher on a losing team and bring them in for the rest of the season at some point this year just to say, hey, that's our missing piece. They're fine defensively. They're going to stop the run really well. They're good in the back end. Offensively, they're going to be fine.

We just talked about just get guys healthy. And one addition, too, that's been really impactful. Like, Josh Jim is that draft pick is a home run so far. He's been great at left tackle. The other night, Mahomes, really the last six quarters, Mahomes has never looked more comfortable in years in the pocket. He's just standing back there. He's finding his open guys.

And so my question is pass rushes. Are they going to bring in an addition to a pass rusher, there's a couple of guys on losing teams right now you could look toward and say hey maybe week eight week nine we want to be aggressive and bring that guy to our team jeff schwartz he's taking michigan over USC you're the second person joel clatt likes michigan against USC until you show me you're tough i don't think you're tough that's right very easy good to see anybody take care boy that i'm let me tell you something if you lose to michigan at home we don't even know if Michigan's got the right coach. They have a freshman, a true freshman quarterback.

So you saw USC's favorite in this, right? It was one and a half, now two and a half. I... Are these guys just being haters? No, I think they get Lane back at wide receiver. They get page back at left tackle. I think USC, I'm going to go 2724 USC. Oh, that's... The total for this one's 57, so you'd be a little light. Slightly under. I think USC wins covers and it's the under. I'll break it down for you after hours today and come back with a pick tomorrow. All right.

J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. We haven't done any NBA lately. South Bay's newest resident, Luca Donchich, looking very skinny. He lost a lot of weight, and LeBron has finally addressed the weight loss, the dramatic weight loss of Luca Donchich. It just looks, you know, obviously a little bit quicker.

You know, a little bit more functional. But I think more importantly, I think what a lot of people will not see is the recovery now. I think for him personally, I think what's going to change for him. He's going to see how he wakes up the next day after three and four nights. I'm super duper proud of him. Yeah, I think he's going to have the ball in his hands more. And LeBron's going to have Tennessee in his hands more.

Will he dunked the ball more? Remember, you had that stat last year. Luke had one dunk last season. He had 25 as a rookie one last year, so he doesn't beat people off the dribble. It's a lot more fallaways and a lot more body contact. Besides the gurs, he did have the calf issue, and you know that could be coming. What are you rolling your eyes? Pro athlete.

Jason Tatum, Tyrese Halliborale, calf injuries lead to you know what? I don't say that word. The A word. I would just say is he wasn't as explosive. And so that will get him more easy baskets, more open looks, more dunks. He'll play downhill more. and he'll take the ball. In his first two years, when he was in better shape,

it was hard to get the ball, wrestle the ball out of his hands. So LeBron's going to have to come to terms with playing off the ball a lot more because when Luke is in his shape, his first two years, he doesn't give it up. I mean, they moved Jalen Brunson out of town, and Jalen was great. He wants the ball in his hands, and he'll lead the league in scoring this year. Not going to be popular, but I think the idea that Reddick could stagger their minutes. Obviously, they're both going to start and they'll finish. But when Luca's off, I think you need to be a lot of it.

need LeBron on because then they'll have the ball in his hands and kind of pacify LeBron a little bit, right? Because he's still that guy. He was an all NBA player last year. I'm excited for the Lakers season. Next up, let's go to, oh yeah, obviously Lincoln Riley, big matchup this weekend against Michigan. And USC sold out three games last year for the first time since 2012. Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame. This weekend also a sellout, except that Michigan head coach Sharon Moore, he's got a reason why?

Sold out because Michigan's coming. So we're not, we're excited about the opportunity for guys to get to go back home and see family and family, you know, be closer to friends, but not make it too much of a deal there. I don't really care what he says. We're looking forward to playing.

Are you going to go to the game? I'll be watching the game. I have a... From an undisclosed location? I have a... I have a busy Saturday, but I'll be glued to this one. Interesting.

We're not going to give up too much the plans. So, Sharon Moore, I don't love that trash talk. You do know the USC players are going to see this video. Lincoln Riley, play this in the locker room. Oh, really? No, they're selling out. As a Michigan? I do know some Michigan fans.

Some guys I hoop with are very excited for this game. I hope I don't. We know Chargers games, they struggle. Washington Chargers at So-5 was probably 55-45 charges. Here's the thing. You can load the box against Michigan because I don't fear their receivers. what USC is weak at

corner Michigan's not strong at they won't expose that now Michigan may win through physicality but the truth is it really like like USC will move the ball and USC will get that ball outside USC skill players and when their

O-line's healthy it is now it wasn't in Illinois they'll have their elite left tackle they'll have their tackles back playing that position so it was kind of a makeshift they'll land they were moving guys around So I think it's 27-24 USC, very, very good game. And I think a lot of it will be played between the 30s.

I think USC will play fairly inspired. Michigan will win time of possession, but USC will have a few more dynamic plays over the top. I know a lot of Michigan fans are going to want to leave Cold Ann Arbor to come to Sunny L.A. in October. Do you think Jordan Mayava is going to have to do a little maybe silent snap count at the line of scrimmage? Is it going to be that many Michigan fans? Listen, you realize when it comes to the Chargers, USC, UCLA, and the Rams, a lot of people in America, most people in America, live in lousy weather during the football season, starting in about October.

And so they like to come to Los Angeles, go to Disneyland, hang out. So the reality in Los Angeles is not very many people are going, you know, I'm going to pick one road trip this year. I'm going to go to Denver. And Denver's nice, but that wouldn't be the road trip you'd pick. You would pick like Las Vegas to go watch the Raiders or you'd pick Los Angeles. It used to be San Diego. I knew a lot of people that were NFL fans. If Baltimore played San Diego and you lived in Baltimore, it's like, dude, November 5th,

let's go take our kids, San Diego Zoo, the Beach. That was the place. Now it's Los Angeles. So it's just the reality of, you know, it's one game a week. It's a great vacation spot. For the record, Miami Dolphins for years. A lot of people, Miami's got a lot of dolphin games, have a lot of visitors. because it's Miami in the winter.

Yeah, for certainly. Final story, Colin, is we touched on that Eagles player only meeting. Well, it seems like Brian Dable caught wind of it because take a listen to this sound. I don't know if this is gamesmanship or what, but very interesting jabs here by Brian Dable. Watch the tape. AJ's open a lot.

So, but you get to Sequant, he's got productive yards. You run his own read or throw it to Smitty. There's another thing. There's a lot of weapons, I would say, on that offense. And whatever they choose to do is what they do. A.J. Brown is open a lot. Little smirk there. You know what he's doing?

He wants A.J. Brown to read that and get a little testy. That's what he wants. He's playing gamesmanship. You're going to go with the prop here? This is like Phil Jackson, the former Laker coach, who would complain about the officials. Well, you know, if they're going to allow that kind of holding, we're going to have to, you know, engineer kind of a different offense. I mean, if they're going to allow that with Rashid Wall.

and him pushing off to get open on the baseline. Well, I mean, you know, it's the officials have made a decision, so I'm going to have to coach. You know, he would say just enough to have the commissioner's office call him maybe, but maybe not get a fine. Phil was great. Just, just planting seeds. And I think that is a, that's Brian Dable saying, well, he's, he's wide open.

He's open all the time. The difference is Phil Jackson was in the finals. Brian Dable is fighting for his job. By the way, Jalen Carter just. Broking here. Breaking news here. He popped up on the injury report with a heel injury. Questionable for tomorrow. Jalen Carter, hey, when they're out, when he's out of the middle, Cam Scataboo could go wild tomorrow. Wild? Maybe. Wild, okay. Possible.

Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The heard-line news. I do like him. He's, there's something there. Jackson, Dart, Scataboo. He's fun. Scataboo reminds me of myself. Just tough, physical. not backing down from anybody. Nobody else says that. All right, we wrap it up next. We're on the Fox Sports app today.

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Welcome back. I didn't ask you. What did you make of the athletic article calling Archmanning a flop and a bust? It felt a little harsh. I mean, it's largely accurate, but he's not the first bust ever. Like you said, there's been plenty of other guys. The problem is his last name is Manning, right? The best line, somebody came on my podcast and said,

Arch Manning has a five-star last name, but he's a three-star recruit. Like, he was a good player elevated because of his last name. Then he gets on the big stage, and, like, he didn't look good against Ohio State, Sam Houston State, whoever they played last month, Florida body-bagged him. I didn't see it. Well, it doesn't look great. The optics on it. He holds the ball.

His mechanics are hitting-miss. Completion percentage. And it's like, he's missing layups. Can he turn around, of course? Many guys, Joe Burrow, as many people have said, his first year, right? In college when he was a starter, it was LSU. It was like 13 times. But go look at Arch Manning's class in high school, the top four quarterbacks.

One of them is crushing Dante Moore. Three have underwhelmed. And that's really, when I read the article, I'm like, it is hard to figure out what 18-year-old is going to crush it in college. I mean, your first year in college, I was on academic probation. I stopped. I forgot how to study. Like, it's hard.

He's a manning, he's got some money. And you weren't playing football. Can you imagine? Yeah, so I think college is the first time a lot of kids are on their own. You got a little spending money now in IL. I think it's harder. I think there's more buss with quarterbacks, not in the NFL, but in college. Plus, you were a star in high school.

You go to college, expect to be a star. And they're like, yeah, you're third on the debt chart. You're like, why am I staying here? There is something to be set up. about having it. Like Arch doesn't quite feel like me. He's big enough. He's got arm strength.

He moves well. You know, some of it is just sometimes it's just there is a thing about quarterback play that it's hard to quantify. It's like some guys just like when I first watched Mahomes, I'm like he's, they said this about Wayne Gretzky. He sees the play before it's fully developed. Gretzky passed the puck before the play was fully developed.

Mahomes has that. Aaron Rogers in his prime was that. could see something just a half beat before it was open. Here's Joel Clatt earlier on the athletic story about Arch being the biggest bust ever. Arch has not played well at all. And Texas has not played well. And that's the other part is that they're not doing really anything well. The offensive line, which was rebuilt this year after a veteran group a year ago,

they have not protected him at all. When they do protect him, he doesn't throw the ball well. They can't run it very well. If you look at what they've done against FBS competition, it's like nothing. Nothing. So there's no evidence that would lead you to believe that this is going to turn around all of a sudden. It's not like they've had some performance against a good team that would lead you to believe that all of a sudden it's going to get better. Yeah, no, I think that's fair.

The other story is it's, you know, it's so different. Baseball in New York is so different. Okay. First of all, you have a lot of revenue and a lot of money. And so the fans read that and hear about it, and the expectations are high. You know, Milwaukee struggles, everybody knows, middle of the pack or at best salaries. So you come into every season with massive expectations. So the Yankees are interesting.

Garrett Cole gets hurt before the season. Well, you're not winning the World Series. I mean, to me, expectations for the Yankees have been unrealistic. I mean, Volpe is a good player, but he commits a lot of errors. Aaron judged a good player until last night. He had good moments. He'd be a great player, obviously. John Carlos Stanton's hurt a lot.

They're not a great base running team. They're not a great defensive team. They're an uneven roster. They have more good players than a Boston. They're not close to the Dodgers. I don't think they're as complete as the Brewers. And so a lot of it's just expectations. I mean, Aaron Judge, I said it before,

they're an action movie. He's the lead. And he has to be on camera or the movie's not as good. You know, it's a rock movie. It's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. They've got to be on camera. It's not a great cast. It's not a great plot.

It's not a great script. The Dodger, are a great script, a great plot, an ensemble cast. That's not what the Yankees are. And so I think once Garrett Cole got hurt, go back to the last year's World Series. The two games, they looked like they could compete with the Dodgers,

he started. Go to the other games. Dude, it looked like the Dodgers and an American League Central team with 18th biggest payroll. They weren't good defensively. They didn't run the base as well. They don't play small ball.

This team strikes out all the time. They were the second best team in Major League Baseball last year. Like, they weren't the Dodgers. This year, I don't think they're the second best, but I would not be shocked if they got back to the World Series. Would you? Yes. Wow.

You're that high on the Blue Jays, huh? Well, the Blue Jays are a bad matchup. The Blue Jays led baseball in hits, and the Yankees starting pitching without Cole is okay. I mean, last night, Rodon's their guy. Got raped. It's not even, I mean, he was out in two and a third inning. Tonight is Mr. Schlittler, the man.

The myth, the legend. You didn't know who he was seven days ago. That's correct. That's factually correct. Now it's Roger Clemens. He's Pedro Martinez in his prime right now. Here's Derek Jeter on Aaron Judge's home run last night. He has had a tremendous postseason this year.

Now, he hadn't hit the big home run until this time, but he was taking what they were giving him. And he was getting his hits. He was getting on base. You could tell by his body language, the confidence is there. I don't know how he hit the. pitch. It was 100 at his neck inside. But, you know, there's, there's, yeah, man, there's one person on planet

that can do it, and it's Aaron Judge. Yeah, it's just different with him. I think Judge is great and everybody knows it. But I think Yankee fans, in the Steinbrenners don't look at it like the Dodgers or Cohen. They're just going to spend more. That's not what the Yankees are now.

So they have holes on their team. And I think New York teams, I mean, both NFL teams are bad. The Knicks have been bad mostly for 30 years. The Mets always underachieve. So people just think the Yankees are like the like Pops Yankees. And that's not what they are.

I never got the John Carlos Stanton movie was hurt in Miami and they already had Aaron Judge. It was doubling down on what you had. What they're not over the last several years. They're not well-rounded. Milwaukee with half the payroll. I mean, less than half, is incredibly

well-rounded. Seattle's got the 15th payroll. Elite closer, consistent staff, power hitting, hit for singles, I think the Yankees are just an uneas. Again, they're an action movie. The star's got to be on screen because the plot is what it is. Let me ask you, historically pitchers have been able to put a team on their back and carry them.

Do you think Judge can do that? He's hitting off the charts in the postseason. No, you can't. So there's no chance Judge could continue to do this. No, Toronto leads baseball and hits. Like the Yankees, will the Yankees get enough guys on base to beat Toronto? It's like there's only been two great scripts in the history of action movies. Predator and die hard.

What about this? It impossible. Well, those are all-time epic classics. That's the power of Tom Cruise. There's only been two action movies in my life I watched and I thought, what a great script. Die Hard and Predator. Everything else, you're kind of buying into the lead. You know, you're kind of buying into, you know, it's not the screen.

You're not watching for the script. Something's exploding. There's funny lines. You're rooting for the good. guy to beat the bad guy. I still remember Diehard. My parents, me and my brother convinced my parents to take us to see that. And we were young guys. And as soon as the F-bom started, we were like, this is the greatest movie ever. Bruce Willis, I mean, that made his career. Like, Bruce Willis and diehard was off the charts. Yeah. So there's, yeah, it's, that's the Yankees. You got to have

certain people at the plate for them to be great. O'Tonnie can go 0 for four with three strikeouts. Freddie Freeman last year carried them in a series Mookie Betts struggled in September on fire Edmund Tommy the kid that was Tommy Edmund

Wouldn't he like the NLDS MVP or something last year NLCS MVP? Give me a break He wasn't even going to start until there was an injury Just keep the ringer on tonight for when the yanks are hot

and they are up 5-1 in the eighth inning I will let you know about it We're going five baby What happens if old Cam slur goes out there and gives you about

four and a third is a young guy you know what happens we're on to 2026 that's what happens just lower the expectations as a Yankee fan Toronto is better

Milwaukee's better this is what the great teams do it's World Series or bust sorry they're not a great team maybe the great franchises think that way but I think

expectations are just off all right we're done for today My day's just, I got a dentist appointment. Ooh. Yeah. Gotta look sharp on this show. Gotta bring it every day.

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