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Episode Date: November 11, 2025

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Greg Olson, boy, he's getting good assignments. Seahawks Rams this week, maybe the game of the year, Bears Giants last week. So we got a lot to address. Let's start. I want to do Bears Giants. I want to get that out of the way. So you have been an advocate for stop kicking field goals. This is not the future.

And it's interesting in the Bears Giants game, they had an opportunity to go for it. The New York Giants did. And Brian Dable Alex, no, we're going to. to go for three, and we've been talking about this. The blue tent stuff with Jackson Dart, that decision, just gut feeling. When they got rid of him, because by the way, they've had 10-point leads on several teams, but now without Scataboo, they can't kill the clock. They're not really built now to get a lead and then just ball control it.

They're not unless Jackson Dart runs, and that's problematic because you get dinged up. Why do you think in the end they moved off Dable? Yeah, because I think Dable is a really good football. I think Davele is a really good quarterback developer. I mean, you look what he did with Josh Allen. You look what he did with what he's doing with Jackson Dart. He obviously was the one who really wanted Dart in the first place. I think it really just came down to the expert, you know, the powers to be just determined

there's obviously a breakdown in our inability to finish these games. I mean, to lose the four games that they did with double-digit leads, of course, Denver being the biggest kind of head scratcher. I don't think this had anything to do with. They don't think Daibu is a good offensive play caller, that he's not a good quarterback developer, that he's not getting the best out of Jackson Dart, and a supporting cast that with Scadaboo out and Malik neighbors,

you know, with the group around him, he's not particularly dynamic and explosive. They're still in the ability to get leads in the game. I think they're looking at it as our decision-making, our game management, our processes towards the end, are just obviously not where they need to be. And I think if they were, they'd have maybe four more wins if they're being greedy, but at least two or three.

And so I think it's more about overall management of games, decision-making, more of that than it is the pure X's and O's, the development of the quarterback. So I think that was probably the final straw. And of course, the field goal was a big storyline. We covered it at length. That's a larger story going on all across the league. It kind of played itself out as it, you know, in a moment there in the fourth quarter of the Giants game, kicking from goal to go. I would never kick a field goal goal to go unless it was to literally win the game.

But that's a longer conversation with the new kickoff rules and field position and strategy. But it's hard to say it came down to one decision. I think that was a factor in it. I really just think it was the totality of the entire situation over the last couple of years. They felt that there was more wins that ended up being the case. How do you explain Caleb Williams? J.J. McCarthy's good on script, bad off it. Caleb actually has been great late over the last several weeks.

How do you explain that? What did your eyes see? Why the struggles, and then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter, he does a Bo Nix. He does a Peyton Manning. He's like, okay, I'm just going to control the game every snap. He was incredible. That is the bet. Now, granted, I haven't watched every snap of every moment since he's coming to the league,

call it the last year and a half. that was by far the best Caleb Williams performance in his young career. And you can look at last year and there was a lot of chaos going on and your coaches getting fired and offensive coordinator changes. But if we just say, okay, this year is his first year of stability, first year with Ben Johnson, this is the Caleb we're going to evaluate. It's not even close. I mean, his ability, they were historically bad last year, Colin, taking sacks.

And part of that is his willingness to play off script. and his ability to extend plays, and he brings a lot of the pressure on himself. But this year, I mean, the Giants had him dead to rights 10 times. They could not get him on the ground. And then the piece that came together for him, especially in the fourth quarters, not only could they not get him on the ground,

his ability to drive the ball accurately in scramble drill downfield. I mean, if his receivers, they had six drops, by far the most of the year for them. I think they only had seven coming into the game. Drops were an issue. It was cold. It was windy, but it had no impact on his ability to drive the ball beyond time. Now, do you want to play off-script football?

Is that sustainable over long periods of time? No. We have seen that time and time again. There has to be an element of rhythm. There has to be an element of timing. And I think that's still the balance that Ben Johnson is trying to bring out of Caleb. I think, though, when things break down in today's NFL, which is going to be often, past protection is very difficult.

the rushers are very good, scheme is good. You have to have a quarterback that can make second level plays, meaning it's not the initial read, it's not the initial timing. I got a playoff script. He can do that as well as anyone as they continue to get him into more of the on-time rhythm component of Ben Johnson's dropback game. If that continues to develop, that's what Chicago thought they were drafting last year. So I felt like watching Green Bay in Philadelphia,

I was watching kind of the same thing is that both these quarterbacks when they had elite rushing games last year were really excellent. But they're not Mahomes or Lamar or Allen. Is that if you take the running game away from both, they're good.

But you see the holes. So I could blame LaFleur. I could blame the injuries. But Green Bay to me, their inability to run the ball puts more pressure, more throws on Jordan. And I think he's a really good quarterback. But in my life, Greg, there's been about five quarterbacks that Joe Burrow

can get to the Super Bowl with an atrocious O line that can win games like Justin Herbert without a run game or his tackles. That's very unique. There's five or six guys on the planet. And I think Hertz and Love are good, but the run games for both have disappeared. And that means more on them. That's my view. And that that's maybe not what they are. I mean, I can't explain Green Bay's offense outside of that. What do you see? Yeah, I had the Green Bay game, so I saw him two weeks ago in the home loss

in Lambo to the Panthers, which they only scored 13 points. So they've scored 20 points in the last two games with going into the Panther game, watching Jordan Love this year, just the eye test, and then diving into some of the more metric-driven analysis of just evaluating quarterbacks,

looking past past protection, looking past opened routes by scheme, by scheme. There's a lot of ways to really, like, determine how much of this is quarterback-driven and how much of this is scheme and environment-driven. By all metrics, film and advanced study, going into that Panthers game,

I thought Jordan Love was a top-five quarterback in the league this season. At the time, it was seven or eight games. I thought he was playing as well as anybody across the league. And then what we've seen in the last two weeks is you mentioned the run game. And I think there's two components to that conversation, right? And there's a lot to be discussed about run game value and importance. Run game matters. It does matter if you are Jonathan Taylor and Saquan Barkley last year,

where they're ripping off these large chunk explosive plays and they're running for 50-yard touchdowns and 40-yard touchdowns. You think back to Saquan in the playoffs last year through their Super Bowl victory. Like, yes, the run game was so valuable because those 40-50-yard touchdowns he's running for are better than any pass play. But that is so hard to rely on. Very few teams have a back in a system that can generate those plays. So all of a sudden you start saying,

okay, what is the value of the run game? We saw both teams last night really commit to staying true to the run because the score allowed them. But then you look up at the scoreboard and it's 3-0 at the end of the first half. So at the end of the day, in the regular season, scoring points is directly tied to passing game. an explosive run game.

If you don't do those two things, you are not going to score. You might have good time of possession. You might run for a lot of total gross yards. You are not going to score points in the regular season, which is an offensive-driven time of year. Now, postseason, run games more valuable, defense is more valuable because we've gotten rid of all the bad teams.

All the bad teams are home sitting on the couch. It's now just good versus good. It's not just what offenses can throw and score a lot of points. There's more value to it. So I think they've got to get back to putting the ball in Jordan Love's hand on first and second down, not being in second and eight because every first down is a run, continue to push the ball downfield, continue to give his guys chances. Like that run game will get better.

The more aggressive they are with their early down passing game, I think everyone always wants to look at it the other way. Like we're going to run them into run defenses and then I'm going to throw the ball over their head. When in reality, the more I fear your passing game, the more favorable situations, both personnel, you're going to play a lot of nickel against me, a lot of little bodies on the field. I'll run at that and light boxes.

All of a sudden now my passing game leads to my run game getting better, and it's typically not the other way around most of the time. Seahawks Rams, that's an assignment. That is going to be wild. Seattle's been a bit more reckless than the Rams. Rams are young on defense. on offense. The Seahawks are young everywhere. Go to your youngest team. Green Bay's young, and they're inconsistent. Do you worry about, in the end, with Seattle is, you know, you got

Stafford and you got Havenstein-Rite tackle, and you got Devonte. There's a lot of beards. There's a lot of old guys. And it's like Seattle is kids and J.S.N. and Donald's still relatively young, and their best offensive linemen are rookie. And their corners are. are young. How do you view the game in Seattle's youth? Because I think Seattle is stunning a lot of people. We all knew the Rams would be fine. I don't think most people thought the Seahawks could arguably be the best team in the league. Yeah, first off, we're beyond excited. We've been thinking about this game since they gave us the matchup a week or two ago. I think it's the best matchup of the year. Now, how does the game play out and how does it live up? Nobody knows. But I would make the

argument, these are two of the top three teams at worst. I could probably make a really strong argument. It's one and two in any particular order. I think they're so good on both sides of the ball. I think your point about Seattle's youth is real, but on some of the best teams that I've been on, there is kind of like an ignorance is bliss to youth where they're young, they're energetic, they're athletic, they're living and they're loving every moment of this. We're like, they almost don't even realize how hard what they're doing is. They don't realize how hard it is to win at this level. Like, all they know is success. All they know is winning because they haven't been in the league long enough to have those scars. There's a power to that, right? There's a beauty to that where

we don't have to undo any of these bad habits. We don't need to undo any of these bad moments because you played on another bad team, you know, five years ago. So I think they are young. I think they're extremely talented. They've got a lot of star young players at multiple positions. I'm both sides of the field. And I give McDonald, I give him a lot of credit after one year of being a head coach. He took a look at his offense last year and said, you know what, this is not where we want to be. And Gino did not play bad by any stretch of the imagination. And as an organization with Schneider and then, they said, you know what, we need to change of pace offensively. They go out and they get Kubiak from New Orleans, who took the league by storm as a play caller early. The year kind of

fizzled when he lost Derek Carr. They saw through that. They said his vision of offense is what we want to be here. We want to be under center. We want to be play action. We want to be explosive passing game. They get a lot of those big bodies. They put you in base defense to throw the ball against you.

It's a really popular strategy that's becoming more, you know, kind of popular throughout the league. I love. And then defensively, you know, with a defensive head coach, they're always going to put their identity there. They're going to play fast. Witherspoon's a stud. like at DeMarcus Lawrence.

What a great signing that we've seen him kill people for years in Dallas. Like it is a really fun team to watch. They're good on both sides of the ball. And everything I just said, if you just swapped out the Rams, maybe outside of some of the youth, it's the exact same story.

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the league, he was losing a lot of games in Detroit. So when you, you had Cam. And again, Detroit wasn't talked about, but as a tight end and as a guy who really studies and thinks the game, did you know Stafford was this good? Like, what they was losing, but were you down, I don't know if you were Chicago, Carolina, couldn't have both, and you had Aaron Rogers dominating the division, and you had Brady, and you had Manning and all these guys. And there was that guy up in Detroit,

and he was young and he was out of Georgia. Did you ever think he'd be this? I'll tell you know, what's so funny about the quarterback position, and we still do it today. We do it all the time on both ends of the spectrum. We assume quarterbacks on bad teams are bad, and we assume that good quarterbacks on good teams are good. So we probably give quarterbacks too much of the credit at times,

and we probably give them too much of the blame at times. But oftentimes, outside of the few extremes, it's probably a combination of team, environment, coaching, and player all thrown into the pot mixed up. So, I mean, you look back at some of the years he had with Calvin Johnson, and yes, they lost a lot of games, and it was not, you know, it was not the Detroit Lions organization that we know now under Dan Campbell.

It was, he was always so talented, the armed, what we'd see, he put up big numbers. Now, granted a lot of that was in playing from behind and chasing points, but I think anybody who watched football probably could do a good job separating the outcome wins and losses and watched effort play and say, I know chaos is ensuing around him. I know this is dysfunction. I know there's coaching turnover and losses are out of high.

But this dude can flat out play. And then obviously we know what's happened. He gets put with arguably the best coach in the league. you know, McVeigh's probably tough, you know, he's one or two. I don't know who you'd pick over him. And he gets put into that environment. They have immediate success, of course, went into the Super Bowl. But then they experienced some lows.

He went back now where can the Rams figure it out? What's his future? Is he going to go, is they going to trade him to somewhere else? Is McVeigh going to retire? Like, they went through some down years following that Super Bowl where I'm sure a lot of that experience from Stafford paid dividends. You know, he had been in that chaos before. four and now obviously they're riding it up they've drafted incredibly well they've got really

talented on the on the defensive side of the ball through the draft and stafford at 38 years old or whatever he is i mean he's probably the MVP of the league it's him and drake may if the season ended today and pretty remarkable journey for a guy who's talent leadership everybody do you know that has played with stafford whether they won one game or they won the super bowl every teammate and coach loves him. Yeah, they do. And he's a pro. He puts in the time in the film room. I've seen specials on him. He's a,

total pros, pro. He's a grinder. Greg Olson, boy, I don't get jealous much. Seahawks, Rams. That is a unbelievable matchup of just two stacked rosters and go crush it. Thanks, man.

Appreciate you. Good seeing you. All right, Greg Olson. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. How about them Baltimore Ravens made an appearance in the herd hierarchy this week? Bit of a surprise, too many.

They're only four and five, but when you start peeling off wins, as they have with Lamar, three straight, and they're just one back of Pittsburgh in the AFC North. Here's Lamar talking about the team keeping that positive energy. Do you feel this team has turned to four yet? Yeah, but, you know, it's still a lot of ball left. You know, you've got to stay locked down. Can't get complacent and nothing like that.

You know, we've got to stay locked down. Yeah, you know, listen, they are still, and maybe not as much this week as the last two. But there is something to be said. Like in Miami right now, why are the dolphins playing so well? Like Mike McDaniel and his staff know we're fighting for our jobs every Sunday. Literally our game plan is being judged by the guy upstairs. There is something about Baltimore has to win all these games. Now, but the Steelers losing to the Chargers, that gives them, now they're back in it.

They're favored to win that division. But the last couple of weeks, they had to win games, and that Minnesota game was in doubt for three quarters. So I think winning in Minnesota is tougher than you think. And listen, when they're healthy, this is a great roster. There's not a lot of great rosters in the league. When they're all healthy, this is one of them. Yeah, if you remember that Minnesota game, I think they fumbled two straight kick. kickoffs. One they lost, one they recovered.

Minnesota imploded. Yes. The Ravens' offense did not look great in the first half. Here's the Ravens schedule. We look like geniuses telling you weeks ago bet on them to win the division. As you said now, I think they're almost minus 300. Listen, this Brown's game will not be easy. Cleveland's defense

at home shows up. But I mean, look at this. Look at the quarterbacks you're facing. Dylan Gabriel, Justin Fields. Now that week 13 game is interesting because Jay Glazer talked to Joe Burrow, and Burroughs saying, hey, a couple weeks hopefully. So if Burroughs back,

that changes the calculus, you wanted to get, if you're a Ravens fan, one Jake Browning slash Joe Flacco game, because that's a win. But yeah, we'll see. I think the Ravens are good in the division. I did watch that offense, Colin, and I was a little upset that they

really struggled against Minnesota in the first half. And Derek Henry, remember that opener? He had like a buck 70 against Buffalo. Has he had? any like dominant game since then? No, I mean, I, listen, it's who's their number one receivers?

A. Flowers? A Flowers. Yeah, I mean, they, I don't think, they got a lot of good players. I don't think it's one of the more dynamic offenses. I also think Lamar, as he's aged, wants to run less and wants to throw more. And, you know, that's a little bit of a secret sauce

when he does run. So, yeah, I mean, I like them organizationally as much as anybody in the league. Top to bottom. Owner to Lamar to roster. It's A across the board for me. All right. Let's move on.

Let's go to the Joe Burroughs situation. Very interesting, Colin. He returned to practice on Monday. Very surprising that the 21-day window for him to return from IR is open. Burrow spoke to the media about it and his potential target date. The running, cutting,

twitchy short stops that we're going to have to see over these next couple weeks, how it feels and where that goes. Our division is wide open. There's a lot of, I think Pittsburgh's 5 and 4 at this point. We play them this week. So, you know, everything is still there in front of us. They'll be a very interesting spoiler.

Can they sneak in a wild card spot, Amy? No, no. But they can ruin Pittsburgh season. You know, if they can knock out Pittsburgh. Where are you on that Bengals Steelers game? game this week because, you know, I almost want to make a case for the Bengals coming off the buy, rested, but I just, I don't trust that defense at all. It's arguably the worst than the league.

Yeah, I, uh, very interesting. I don't know. I think, I think if Burrow comes back, let's see, week of 12, 13, 14, 15, 50. I mean, they got tough games to Baltimore, Buffalo, New England. So he's not going to play, I guess he's not going to play against Pittsburgh, okay. He's not going to play against the Patriots, which is a big win for Jake May. Yeah, I don't think they get in. I think their schedule's too tough.

I think if he was coming back this weekend, I'd give him a shot. But, you know, I don't. You don't want to force him back, man. Come on. This guy's had enough injuries. Play for next year. I think they got a lot of tinkering to do with that roster. I don't know if I trust the front office or the head coach.

Oh, I don't. Yeah. All right. Final story, Colin. Oh, boy. This is a big one. You love rating. Well, how about the NBA?

We're two or three weeks into the season. The league is reporting a 92% increase in viewership year over year for nationally televised games. The league adds that national games are averaging the most viewers in 15 years. I'm kind of floored by this. Now, some of it is, you know, you want to turn on an NBA game. You're like, wait, where is it? TNT, ESPN, Amazon Prime. There are so many places to find these games, Peacock.

I don't know. Your thoughts, are you watching more NBA? You know, my NBA viewership really starts Christmas. Christmas, okay. Like I watch a ton of highlights. Like when I'm in the morning, when I get up, I do about 45 minutes of reading, and then I'll go to YouTube's and watch highlights. That's a lot of what I do early in the season.

I'll watch, you know, if there's something on TV in the late afternoon, now that I'm in the central time zone. But I also think early in the NBA season, nobody plays defense. Look at the field goal percentages by some of these players. The offense is just so good. Well, nobody plays D. They play defense after the trade deadline. You know, then the game gets officiated differently late season playoffs.

But right now it's a little YMCA ball. A lot of open jumpers. It's interesting because OKC is the best team in the league by record. I don't find them visually appealing. Obviously, they're very good. But I got a buddy who's like every day sending me this stuff about Shaggildjus Alexander just went 82 games and scored over 20 points in each of them. And people are really excited about OKC.

Are they appointment viewing for you yet? I mean, again, I think, you know, I watched them a tonne last year. I think Wembe probably helps. It's interesting. I don't have an answer. or why the ratings are up 92%? Is it because they're on more network television instead of just cable?

My guess is, I'm guessing here, that now they're on NBC network, not just ESPN cable, and that's the ratings growth. It's not that the country is suddenly fascinated with OKC. That would be my guess. No, yeah, it could be, listen,

there's a lot of other stuff going on in this country and people are looking for an escape from that. And, you know, they're like, hey, where's basketball? I need to see anything except, you know, what I'm talking about. I don't know. 92% is a significant number.

I think that's got to be NBC's edition. Okay. Yeah, I mean, you've got more network TV games and less cable. 92%. Think about this. If baseball rose 92%, baseball put in a pitch clock, and they went up 9 to 10%.

And that's growth in a year. 92% is not just players. If anything goes up 92%, it's a platform issue. it's a when of the broadcasts on the air it's not player related it's like an outlier is w nba yeah kately clark was generationally fascinating tiger woods with golf up 92 percent wendy no i don't think he's tiger kately i i don't think that's the draw i don't yeah you see wendy last night against uh who was three chicago bowl 38 points 18 boards

Six of nine from deep. What did you do some digging on this? I bet you it's NBC airing more games. I'm on the case. All right. Detective J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the

early names of our band before Jonas Brooks. others. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas.

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outside of having a really, really good quarterback. We tend to think that you just fire bad coaches. I think Brian Daibald is a good coach. I can remember. I've always said Sean McDermott in Buffalo reminds me of Chuck Knox. Now, Ram fans will remember him. Seahawks fans will remember him. He couldn't win in the postseason, but he always stabilized the organization.

He was a winning coach, toughness, run game, Chuck Knox. I think Marty Schottenheimer, the late Marty Schottenheimer, criticized like Chuck Knox, not great in the postseason, but would stabilize, add toughness to your organization. So Chuck Knox and Marty Schottenheimer, excellent coaches, but weren't as good in the postseason. They were a little restrictive, little regressive, not very creative guys, that's Sean McDermott.

And so Nick Wright talked about this earlier with Brian Daibble being fired. Daible is more creative. Is it just time like a Schottenheimer or a Chuck Knox that you can like him and respect them? And McDermott would get a head coaching job in a New York minute. But maybe in Buffalo, it's time to experiment with a new coach. Brian Davel maybe got a little unlucky on certain spots. His record, he deserved to be fired. But can I paint a scenario for you?

Because who loves Brian Daibel? Josh Allen. who some people feel like, you know, Mrs. Brian Dable, Josh Allen. They decide they have to move off McDermott. Is it crazy? The idea that Josh Allen might say, hey, let Brian Dable be my head coach here? Yeah, it's not crazy at all. And, you know, it's just there, Andy Reid got fired and was good.

It wasn't like things had gone overboard. So I think sometimes a new voice. Ian O'Connor's a great writer. He suggested the Giants should hire Mike Tomlin, who's never had a losing season in Pittsburgh. But the defense is old. It's expensive. They don't have a quarterback. And I would argue, well, New York's got their quarterback, and they've got their left tackle.

And what they need is a head coach that brings some legitimacy, not another coordinator. So Mike Kafka played in the league for six years, smart guy from Northwestern. does he have the presence to go up against the top coaches in the league? I said this earlier to J-Mack, and I'll stand by this point. If you're Mike Tomlin and you have Aaron Rogers, and you want to win Super Bowls, you're Mike Tomlin, that's your standard. You have to get through Mahomes, who's got a great coach, Josh Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Joe Burrow,

pretty good group. In the NFC, Mike Tomlin goes to the Giants. I have to go through Jared Goff, Jalen Hertz, Dak Prescott. Stafford's not going to be around much longer. Baker Mayfield, I mean, you start looking around. To win Super Bowls, you have to get to them. It's much harder to get to a Super Bowl in the AFC.

That doesn't mean the best team. I mean, the two best teams in the league today could be the Rams and the Seahawks. But Stafford's not playing much longer. He's 37, I think. and then, you know, I would rather face Darnold as much as I love him than Alan Mahomes or Lamar. So, you know, I could see Mike Tomlin sitting down with his agents and be like, well, I don't have a quarterback for the future. The defense is old and expensive. You know, you can't, I guess, trade T.J. Watt.

He's so beloved. Everybody in Pittsburgh's got his jersey. That's why people move. I mean, I've moved three or four times in my career. That's the kind of stuff you think about. Like, what's my future? Who's my go-to? I mean, is this place ascending? Is this place dying?

You're asking yourself, anytime anybody that listens to this show, you've ever moved, you get out the yellow pad and you start writing things down. It is easier to get the Super Bowls in the NFC. I think there are more good teams in the NFC. There's far more elite, all-time great quarterbacks in the AFC. And they're all in their prime. Josh Allen Prime. Mahomes Prime.

Herbert Prime. Lamar Prime. They're all in their prime. Stafford's not. Gough, you don't fear, always very good. I can see it. I mean, again, a lot of the quarterbacks in the NFC, like Caleb Williams, you're like, boy, he could be some.

He's not there yet. So I could see that Ian O'Connor column today. I could see Mike Tomlin at the end of the season. They go nine and eight. You know, it's the Steelers. Their GPS always gets them to 500 or above. But I could, you know, I could see nine and eight, probably where they finish. You look at their schedule. Don't have to face Burrow, I guess.

So, you know, it certainly, don't you think, J. Mack, it certainly worked. It's not bad. Again, I mentioned this yesterday, Colin. So are we sure the Giants job is better than the Tennessee Titans job? Cam Ward versus Jackson Dart and unequivocally the worst division in football, probably the last five years running? I just don't know that it's a slam dunk that the Giants is a great job. The Eagles are the best run team in the NFC. Jalen Hertz, as you said, in his prime. I don't know.

You seem to think Dallas is kind of sort of close to something. And Jaden Daniels, I know he's hurt now, he's a stud. I don't know that the Giants job is great. Yes, I'm a Jets fan. I'm a Giants hater. I just don't know. There's too many question marks. Well, a job is as great as your quarterback and coach.

I mean, your job is as great as your quarterback. The Chargers was a good job. That's why Harbaugh took it. Okay, in the division. Jalen Hertz, Jaden Daniels, Jackson, Dark, Dack, Prescott. Who's the fourth best quarterback in that division? I'd have to say. Who?

Well, I think Dax's probably the best. And I'll just stop right there. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. First people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

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