The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Greg Jennings stops by The Herd

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Former Green Bay Packers WR Greg Jennings joins the show to talk about the growing Packers-Bears feud, the NFL playoff games this weekend, and the future of the PackersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Divisional Football Friday. A lot of chaos around the league. Had coaching openings. Let's dive into it all with Greg Jennings. My main man, Greg Jennings, he's on first things first every day at three Easter. Greg, how are you, dude? Looking real strong in that nice suit. Did you lose a bet?

Why it's not a agreed by Packers? I heard you been gambling a lot on first things first, huh? No, no gambling at all. Just making it a couple nice, healthy. Well, I guess one was a little unhealthy because of the outcome, but, you know, nothing too strenuous. Yeah, how are you feeling? You know, your Packers went down.

I know LaFleur is your boy. Obviously, you... I'm checking my... It's the divisional round, right? That was wild card. Last week. The Packers, right? Yeah, we're past Wednesday.

We've moved on. You're trying to open wounds that I've been trying to put bandages on. No, it was a tough weekend, obviously. You know, unfortunate for the Packers, but the Bears, they've been hot, man. They got a quarterback that's playing lights out, especially at the end of the games or in second half. They've got a coaching staff that truly supports and believes in what he's capable of, putting them in great situations. The defense played lights out in that second half.

They took that game. They simply took that game and were the better team when it mattered most. Well, the Packers kind of gave it to them, and that's twice. And that's what I didn't like about LaFleur. Essentially, they stopped playing. You know, you could maybe excuse the one where Love got hurt and they had Malik Willis in there, but they had that game one up 10 with two minutes left. And then you fast forward to this one last round.

And I know you said the Bears took it. Come on, maybe you have to admit. They got a little bit lucky. I know there's some guys on the set with you at first things first who may not agree, but they've just gotten lucky all season. This is a charmed life for Chicago, no? Yeah, it's luck when it happens once, twice, maybe even a third time. When you make a habit of doing this and you do it better than almost anybody else outside of the Denver Broncos,

it becomes who you are and you live for those moments. And so I'm not going to call it luck. when you were watching that game and Caleb got the ball, how did you feel? Did you feel like, oh, he can't do it again? Or did you feel like, man, he might do it again? I was nervous.

I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. Well, it's less about that. It was more about the Packers leading the whole damn way. And then, like, what are we going to do? And then they go up 13 after the Golden touchdown. And I'm like, we're fine because I had the Packers at Money Line. And, I mean, it just blew up on my face. Now, Caleb is a good point.

Where do you feel he is at this stage? Is this just a guy who's built for the fourth quarter in the game-winning drives? He's still completing like 50% of his passes most weeks. Do we have a young Josh Allen? What do we have here? I don't know what to make of it. Look, if you're the Bears, you believe you have the guy. And look, I'm on the outside looking in,

but I understand what it takes to be a quarterback and to play at a high level in this game. And you're not going to get very seldomly do we see quarterbacks just out the gate and checking every single box. He's going through a process. He has a coach that has implemented a scheme and has put expectations on him and really demanded him to be better in every area. And he is developing in all those areas.

And if you listen to how Ben Johnson has spoken about him early in the season versus now, it's a different tune that he's speaking on Caleb with. And look, I understand the completion percentage. I think he resolves that going into next season. I think we will see a huge jump in his completion percentage just because of the comfort that he will have in his second year with Ben in that offense, with those guys around him, understanding that he can get it done knowingly and at a high clip at the end of games. Yeah. I want to talk about the trash talking situation with Ben Johnson.

So you played a wide receiver position. A lot of divas there, not Greg Jennings. A lot of guys running their mouths. Just shot fired. I will just say, something's going on with Ben Johnson, man. He's really puffing his chest out and, you know, peacocking around because they're winning. And the handshake with LaFleur, the F-bombs in the locker room, I don't know if this is working out well. And I'm sure you saw the clip where McVeigh this week was like, yeah, LaFleur's a good friend. I talked to him.

Smile. End of story. Ben Johnson is setting himself up to kind of lose by 30 to one of these LaFleur-Shannan tree guys who were just like, yeah, you're going to run your mouth. This is how it works in the league. Look, I was with Ben Johnson down in Miami. He and Dan Campbell. Obviously, we know what he was when he was with Dan Campbell. He's not going to back down from anybody.

Look, he took this job understanding the task at hand was to turn the program, turn the organization around, be what this young quarterback needs to develop and allow their fan base in that organization to understand that This is the future face of our franchise and Caleb Williams. He's done that. And when you have success, when you win, you afford yourself the opportunity to do things like this. Now, do I believe that he's taking it a bit far?

I would say yes because I'm on the opposite side of it. Like I was in the green and going. And so when you, but I understand what this rivalry means. I understand with him coming in first year head coach and getting two of the three wins, none more important than last weekend. Like, you're going to say things with your chest. And he's full-blown vested in this idea of, I do not like the Green Bay Packers.

I don't like Matt LaFleur. I don't like anything across the state line that goes into Wisconsin. And look, I'm good with that. Just understand you must maintain these winning ways if you are going to continue to say it with your chest that way. So I got to ask, that's a great stat that you had. You were in Miami with Ben Johnson. I just looked it up.

He was the offensive quality control guy seven years ago. And fast forward to now, and he's the head coach in the division around, and it looks like they might have something cooking. Let me ask, what do you think is behind this whole, we don't like Green Bay, I hate them? Is it simply leaning into the Bears franchise, or is there something personal with him in LaFleur and maybe that crew, that posse of coaches? Look, I don't know if it is something personal. I don't know about that part.

But I understand how the rivalry works. I understand what he was getting himself into, understanding that it has not truly been a rivalry. It's been one-sided, Green Bay dominating it for the past 30 years or so. And he understands that. Like, taking on this job was not just about developing Caleb Williams, turning the organization around, and not beating Green Bay. Taking this job was doing all those things and having a good enough outfit to where when we beat, when we play those guys in green and yellow, we win more often than not. And right now he's off to a great start. So I don't knock it. Look, he has to be ready to take on what comes with that. And I don't think Matt LaFleur is going to turn into a Ben Johnson overnight. Neither should he.

but, you know, when you do things and make comments like that, it has reverberation across the league, and we'll see what happens this weekend. But look, he's betting on his guys to get it done. What do you make of a guy putting a target on his back in year one? Because that's what he's doing. I know people want to deny it, and that's fine. Tough talk is fine.

But he has the target squarely on his back. And Greg, you know how it goes. Chiefs were 11 and 0 in one score games last year. That flipped, and all of a sudden, they're not making the playoffs. So, Ben, they rode hot and won a lot of close games. next year if that flips and they miss the playoffs oh who's the genius now ben it's a dangerous game to play hey to each his own are you endorsing this behavior look i'm not endorsing it but i'm i don't i don't not like it like when you are in that locker room you want a coach that is going to stand

ten toes down and say hey i'm in this with you guys i don't like them i don't it's us against everyone. And when you take that approach and you continue to deliver and you send that messaging in the locker room, you are more times than not going to be supported by the guys that are walking out of that locker room to play that game on your behalf. So look, it's worked out for them this year. I think this is a team that's not just a fluke. This is a team that is here to stay and an offense that is growing into something that we're going to be probably in of in the next year and years to come. All right.

Let's pivot to, let's go that Seahawks Niners game Saturday. I think this is all about Sam Darnold. I tried to make the case in the meeting. I was shot down that there's more pressure on Sam Darnold than any other quarterback in these playoffs. And I know Josh Allen's under pressure, obviously, in Buffalo, but we've seen what he can do. Donald has zero career playoff wins. They are the Super Bowl favorites. Okay.

I'm a little worried about Sam. I don't know what to make of this oblique thing. I know your obliques don't get hurt because you're jacked. But what are we doing with Seattle here against the Niners, Greg? If there is a game that I'm not necessarily putting all the pressure on Sam Donald, it's this one. Look, you're going up against the defense, a team that you've seen three times, a team that your defense has dominated, and it's going to be hard for them to score points on your defense. Like, all Sam Donald has to do is just not turn the ball.

over not play the way that we've seen him play in moments where he gets flustered if he can deliver and execute and they put points on the board when they get down in the red zone something that they struggled to do in the last last game of the season to but they ended up winning the game because of that defense they didn't really deliver in the red zone they were I believe they were o and three in the red zone if they're able to put points on the board they're just simply gonna make it very hard for the 49ers to win this game because defensively I know Robert Sala's going to have a game plan

he's going to make it ugly he's going to try to make it a grind out game as much as possible as they should because this defense is just simply of the Seattle Seahawks they're not going to give that 49ers offense a lot of opportunities but what you just said was like hey just don't turn the ball over don't screw it up essentially for that's when you have a defense any other quarterbacks yes CJ Stroud when you You have a defense that is that good in a game like this, we don't need you to score 40. We don't need 30 on the board. Just what we can't have is you throwing a pick six or giving the ball into an opponent

where they are in a red zone situation right out the game with their downs. Like you can't have those type of mistakes at the quarterback position in games like this. So Darnold led the league in giveaways, fumbles plus interceptions. And you mentioned Red Zone. I just looked it up. Seattle 22nd in the league in Red Zone touchdowns. My only problem is, are you trying to turn him into, and this is not disparaging? Are you trying to turn him into Trent Dofer?

Hey, hand the ball off, make some safe passes. Our defense will get us home. Is that like a winning game plan? If you tell your quarterback that, doesn't he go in with like, oh, I can't screw it up? That just feels like a negative mindset. No, you don't, he doesn't go in the game like that. Like, I believe with everything that Sam Donald believes, that he's the better quarterback of the two.

You go in that with that type of mentality, that type of confidence. Understanding, though, we got guys behind you that can really get it done. So we don't need you to be hero. We just need you to be, play within the framework of what we're going to go out there and ask you to do and be and let the rest,

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If you could pick a quarterback for the next five years, would you take Brock Purdy or Sam Darnel? Wow. Oh, that's a great question. It's not on the list, so I need an answer, bro. I'm glad. I'm glad LaFleur is not going to ask me about a quarterback named Brock Purdy or Sam Darnel because he has this guy in Jordan Love, which we tend to love.

So did I dodge that question? No, I'll answer it. Look, I'm going with Brock Purdy. Okay. Because I believe that there is more that he can deliver, especially with his legs. You don't see the panic as much. He's a younger quarterback. You can kind of continue to grow and develop.

He's been there, kind of done that, hasn't won the big games, because obviously he didn't have a chance to play the first time around, the second time around. He delivered. And we've seen it. We haven't seen that from Sam Darno. Can he get it done? I believe he can, but he just needs the supporting gas to do so. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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All right. Two more real quick. So number one, A.J. Brown, I'm sure you saw the video got into it with Siriani on the sideline. Big Dom had to step in and cooler heads prevailed. And Howie Roseman's asked about A.J. Brown in Philly. And he's very political with his answer. As a wide receiver, again, you were not a diva. A.J. Brown certainly has given off diva tendencies. what do you do with the guy? Do you try to trade him? Do you just keep him? Because something's going on in that locker room.

Nobody's articulated it. But Jalen Hertz keeps getting asked about their friendship. We don't see them kumbaya. There's all these reports that one of them got engaged and didn't fight the other to the party. What are we doing here, Greg? Don't we moving on from A.J. Brown or keeping him? Look, only time will tell.

I think if you're Holly Roseman and you're getting calls on A.J. Brown, which I assume he will be getting calls on AJ Brown. They got calls on AJ Brown this season, and he decided to hold on to him, which I thought was the best decision moving forward for this season. However, now you're looking at a situation where you know you're going to have a different play caller.

I'm not so quick to just say, you know what, we'll deal A.J. Brown. Now, if you're going to get a haul in a great deal of assets in dealing A.J. Brown, then you're going to entertain that. You're going to take those calls. You're going to see what's out there. But it's not everybody makes it seem like it's just easy to, you know what, we got to get this guy out because he's disrupting who we are and what we want to be.

No, he's the voice of the locker room. Like you can call it diva if you want to, and I think some of his, some of what he's done has been kind of across the line, so to speak. However, there is always a voice in the locker room. there are much more guys that feel the same way that A.J. Brown feels in that locker room that are unwilling to speak up because of a guy like A.J. Brown who is willing to speak up. So despite what we may believe, those are the facts. Like, that is what happens in locker rooms. And so you don't just dismiss a guy just because we don't like the way he handles all the things when he is as valuable and as productive as A.J. Brown. All right. 90 seconds or less. I got to wrap up with Aaron Roger. question since you guys are linked forever. Just kidding. Pittsburgh Steelers job comes open. Tomlin steps down. Even if Roger stays, and I don't think he will, is this a good job? And get beyond the owner. Look at the blue chip talent or lack thereof. Look at the second oldest

roster in the league. No path to a franchise quarterback. I'm hearing rumors that they really like Will Howard, the guy from Ohio State. That smells like a tank to me. What do you make of this Pittsburgh opening. Look, I think it's one of the best openings out there. Obviously, you got Lamar and the Ravens opening that's still available, but you talk about what they have on aging roster. You can turn that around. If you have a coach that comes in with a vision, you know you're going to have time. If you don't have a quarterback, the next best thing for an organization to offer you is time. Time to create your plan, execute your plan. Execute your plan. implement that vision. And we've seen it time and time again with the Ravens,

obviously with the Steelers, they give a long runway. Now how it works out is pending on who you bring in and the plan that they implement, but you're looking at everything as an asset right now. T.J. Y, Jalen Ramsey, all these high number high ticket guys, you're not tied to them necessarily. You can you can ship them. I shouldn't even say ship them. You can deal them. You can take calls. People will answer the phone.

I'm shipping T.J. Wat, FedEx. Greg Jennings, great stuff, as always. Catch them on first things first after us. Have a great weekend, Greg. All right, you too, Jay Mack. All right. Good stuff from Greg Jennings. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the News. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. J. Mack, you guys were just talking about those Chicago come from behind wins. I wanted to get the numbers for you. Eight come from behind wins this season. Seven, when the bears were trailing with two minutes to go. I mean, that's pretty crazy.

Rams, of course, know this. Pass rusher Jared Verst says they have a strategy to keep Caleb Williams from breaking things open late. Once you kind of get him like, you know, your hands around him, if you can't fully grab him, aim for his arm. He's a throwing quarterback. Obviously, that's all quarterbacks. You have to aim for his arm.

just try to mess his throw up a little bit. It can't just be like a you get them off the spot. That's one of those quarterbacks, especially running quarterbacks, even if they're off the spot, they're still liable to make any type of play. All right, so, Jamek, do you think that's going to work, or do you expect more Bears' late magic? You know, you got me so jazzed up for this Ben Johnson versus the Shanna Klan or whatever we're calling it.

I think the Rams put it on them. I see the lines up to four and a half. That's interesting. It was three and a half earlier this week. Now, I don't know cold weather like you do. You went to Northwestern. it's going to be like, what, negative 17 million degrees or whatever the number is in Chicago.

Do you think that's a factor? You've covered cold games, right? Absolutely, I was supposed to say. I've been on the sideline for some incredibly cold games. I was one of the sideline reporters when the Bears played, I'm sorry, the Giants played the Packers. Remember Tom Coughlin's face almost fell off? You were there?

I was wearing ice fishing pants on the sideline. I have done a lot of cold weather games, And I think people watching on TV treat it as like a cute little stat. It is not a cute stat. The wind show for this game is supposed to be two, two degrees, two whole degrees. And it actually has an effect. The ball gets harder. It gets heavier.

It gets more slick to handle. Because those muscles and ligaments are tighter in cold weather, you have more soft tissue injuries that cart people off of the field. And also just everyone's reaction time slows, right? That is a scientific fact. Your reaction time slows in cold weather. So all of that will probably come into play in this game. And we talk about, oh, LA players are soft.

You know, they don't really play. There is some grounding in that. Statistically, someone added it up since 1964. So we're going large sample size. The Rams are one in six in games as cold as we're going to see for them playing this weekend. The most recent time they won in this type of cold, not in the cold in general, but this level of cold was December 1989.

Obviously, this Rams team is its own team. Right. Matthew Stafford. Yes, he played in a dome in Detroit, but he also played in that division, so he's used to cold weather. But it's going to be a deal, Jason. I promise you, and none of them are wearing ice fishing pants.

So you said soft tissue injuries. Devante and a hamstring. Maybe I'll look to bet his unders. Oh, man. Betting on someone to get hurt? No, no, no. Damn it, that sounded bad. All right.

back here in Los Angeles, the Hornets beat the Lakers. Uph, 135 to 117 last night. That's even with Luca having 39 points, but Lamello Ball had 27 in the second half alone. The Lakers have now dropped four of their last five. Here is Luca after the loss. I made a lot of shots, you know, we gave up a lot offensive rebounds from there,

and they just hit what we call daggers. So I think that was the game there. And I want to win every game, so that doesn't matter if we come from a loss or a win. So I just want to win every game. J-Mack, I mean, look, I think we're going about to throw the stats up there. Defense is this team's problem, right, unequivocally. So what's your take on them now that they've had this downturn? Oh, dear.

Yeah. That's not good. I'm worried. I'm not going to lie because I don't know that they're going to rush into a trade here ahead of the deadline, right? Doesn't sound like they're going to make any move. So there's no reinforcements coming. I'm not sure I would say that. Oh.

I'm not sure they're going to rush into a trade, but they've already put it out there. They only have one tradable first round pick right now. Okay. And they've already put it out there. There's been reporting that they would like to break that pick up the way the Sons did, where they basically take one good first round pick and trade it to get maybe the Sons had three less around. Less good first round picks, right? So you're talking about a first round pick more in the top half and then, okay, we're going to trade that to someone who will give us lesser, less good picks.

but at least we have more optionality then. So if they can pull that off before the deadline, they need a 3-and-D guy. That is what they need. There's a couple out there. I don't know if they're going to be able to... Herb Jones is probably the target, but he's very pricey if they want to get rid of him.

I don't... I know some people are pushing that. What about somebody who's telling me Grant Williams? I don't... Like two years ago. Trey Murphy, maybe. I mean, there's Jonathan Cumminga talk. I don't know.

I'm in Cooming. Why are some people so... Are we doing anything on Cumminga? So let me ask, what the hell happened with him and Steve Kerr? They just hate each other now? I mean, I don't think they hate each other. It's ugly. I was reading that essentially Kerr's like, all right, you're going in, guys are injured, he's like, oh, my knees hurting.

Yeah. It's like a fake end. Like, what's happening? Well, look, he knows he's getting dealt and he doesn't want to get hurt beforehand and he doesn't want to stay there. I don't, warriors are such a disaster. At some point, I think they've actually been quietly winning lately, but at some point, you have to sign your guy to make it a tradable contract. Like, I mean, they signed him with the intent to trade him. We'll have to see what happens. Lakers, obviously, my attention.

Could you go for Rui? I'll do that deal. I like Rui. Yeah. Yeah, but they might have to get some more first round picks to make any of this work. All right, let's go back to football. New England, MVP candidate Drake May, preparing for his second career playoff game. The Texas defense, though, no joke. Patriots wide receiver, Kayshan Booty says with Drake May leading the charge, he's not worried. I think Drake could depend on us and we could depend on him. But I think with him at quarterback anything possible.

I mean, you know, even if it's looking cloudy in the past the game, he'd be able to run with his legs too. So I think he keep the defense honest. What do you think? I'm rooting Texans here. Sorry. I'm a Jets fan. I can't stand the Patriot.

Go Texans. Come on, CJ Stroud. Who you got in this one? I mean, I think the Texans have a better shot, right? Just that defense. I just think it's so good. And they're good at all the things. Right?

The top things you want a defense to be good at, their top three in, including takeaways, right? And the rookie quarter, got a rookie, but a young quarterback playing only his second playoff game. C.J. Stroud, though, and look, Greg Jennings said it. He has to not mess up. He messed up so often last week. And he said it. He acknowledges it. Right? He had five fumbles. He had a red zone interception.

He cannot do that. Yeah. So if he is able to do his part and the Texans defense can do their part, I think Houston is going to come out. We'll see though. I agree. Rachel, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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here against Indiana, right? So you're taking the points of the eight and a half, right? I'm not only taking a eight and a half, I think they're going to win the game out, right? I think people are hung up on the game that they had against All Miss with the penalties and the turnovers and the mid and the dropped interceptions. And they're overlooking the first two games against A&M and Ohio State that they played in the playoff. People have this, you can't trust Carson Beck, Mario Cristobel can't win. a big game. Oh, they lost to Louisville on SMU. People are focusing on that and not focusing that. They were beating Notre Dame earlier in the year. They beat Ohio State in any more convincing

fashion than Indiana did. They've got the best front, upfront, offensive, defensive lines of any team in the country, combine those two in pressure rates. So I think Miami matches up very well with Indiana. I think they're going to lean on them really with the running game. I think the canes are very, very live to pull the out right off. Wow. Now, two minutes left, four-point game, not needing a field goal to tie. Who you trust more, Mendoza or Beck, given Beck's experience in these playoff games, dating back to Georgia or Mendoza, the number one pick? Well, they both done it this year. I mean, Beck has done it in the playoffs.

The tie game with A&M late, where they let them on the drive, Beck get it against Ole Miss the playoff last year. Mendoza has done it as well. He did it in the regular season against Penn State, did it in the regular season, against Iowa. I trust both of them. Now look, Mendoza may have the better wide receiver type core, but I think under pressure with all those starts under his belt, I would not, but people who have Carson Beck as a major question mark in this game, I don't think that's correct. Any quarterback could have a bad

game. I would trust both of them. Interesting. I am curious. When we last spoke, I feel like you were kind of into Mendoza, but a little lukewarm on him being number one. If I'm wrong, you speak out. But has that changed? I mean, he's looked good, but they're in total control of these games. Other than the Ohio State one, you know, it hasn't really been like, oh, Mendoza under the spotlight. Now, he's going to be the number one pick. I mean, we know a quarterback is going to go number one.

And now that Dante Moore is no longer in the equation, the thought is Trinidad Chamble's is going to get that extra year in stay. Ole Miss. That takes him out of the equation. The Raiders need a quarterback, and I would expect the Raiders to take Fernando Mendoza number one. And I wonder if there's a little bit of Tom Brady seeing a little bit of himself in Mendoza, and that he's so cerebral, he processes so well to what's going on in the field. I'd be very, I'm going to give up a programming a suggestion to our bosses here at Fox. I would love a pre-draft interview special. Remember the old prudent quarterback camps. I would love a quarterback camp with Tom

Brady and Fernando Mendoza as they kind of go through the process. Interesting. No, so do you think more would have gone number one had he come out? No, no, I think Mendoza would have gone ahead. And I don't even wonder if the Jets would have taken Dante Moore second overall. They have

so many needs. And you being a Jets guy, we know that Bill Parcells create about taking quarterbacks and only 15 career starts, that kind of feels like the benchmark for success and lack of success. I think Dante Moore going back to Oregon is a good thing for him. He's going to make plenty of money in the portal. They're going to have a better team next year than they did this year. And he could go from the 3 and 14 jets this year to the 3 and 14 jets next year.

Wow. I don't know if he's going to go high again. You know, next year's class is loaded. I don't know if you've heard that one before. But do you think Moore made the right decision? Because you know these quarterbacks, I know he needs more starts. But at the same time, Chris, these quarterbacks who go back tend to get scrutinized every play, every series, every game, picked apart, and then they fall to like, hey, they're a mid-round pick. No, I think he did make the right decision. And I think this had been trending that way for a while. I think he's only 20s a young kid with a very low number of starts. And I think next year he can work on

some of the things at Oregon against top competitions to become an even better pro-dial. I know people are saying, go to the NFL, start that clock towards your second contract. But I think in terms of long-term success, and you know what?

If people want to pick a season apart, and maybe he doesn't go whatever in the top 10 or whatever, he made more money in his NIL deal, his senior year at Oregon or whatever this year is at Oregon, then he would have been that first contract. And he might be going to a better situation later on in the first round with the team that might be better set up for him to have a little bit more immediate success.

All right. Best bet NFL divisional weekend. And it needs to be a side. I got murdered on sides last weekend. Every dog covered until Sunday night, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. of all the side, I do not like a ton of these sides this week, but I know the San

Arnold injury is out there and him landing on the report is questionable with the oblique injury. I don't think that matters. I think they could run Charbonnet. They could run Kenneth Walker a bunch. And I love the Niners and I love Kyle Shadahan and I love what they've done. But it just feels like at some point this is going to ultimately run out. If the Niners had anything saved in the tank for Seattle. Wouldn't they have shown it a couple of weeks ago in the regular season game when the number one seed was on the line? They couldn't do anything offensively. Now there's no kiddle. The number's down to seven. I wonder if it comes down to six and a half. I'm going to maybe take a wait and say, I think the clock strikes have been that on the

nine and I think Seattle wins like a 2410 type of game. All right. Chris Felica, Betts podcast, Mr. Miami Hurricanes. Will you be at the game, by the way? I will, yes. I'm heading out on Sunday. I'm looking forward to seeing some friends, and hopefully my mom and mod are doing well there on Monday night. Wow, exciting stuff.

All right, Chris, enjoy the travels. We'll be following you online. We will. Take care, Jay. All right. Chris Felica, Bear Betts podcast. Going to the Natty. I don't know, Rachel, you've covered a lot of big games.

Have you covered a national championship? I have a couple times. You've done it all. I've done everything. My Northwestern Wildcats. We're not in the national championship. but they were in the Rose Bowl. We got to cover that too.

So, what was a running back? Autry? Autry, Donald, I was a nerd, but I was watching for my house. Yeah, well. Like, you know, I'm like a watch from home, homebody type guy. I always like, as they rotated the national championship games, you know, was it the Frito chip running around the sidelines? Was it a Pop-Tart?

Who knows? All right. We survived three hours. Executives did not come out and say anything negative. They seem to like us. Rachel, good stuff from you, as always. I didn't screw up, I don't think. It was a lot of fun.

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