The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Head coaching changes in the NFL and College, protecting QBs, the Jets looked lost yesterday, Albert Breer, Bruce Feldman

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

Thoughts on the breaking news of the Titans firing HC Brian Callahan, the Chargers needing to protect Justin Herbert, the Jets looking like they don't know what they are doing, Penn State firing HC James Franklin and more!   Guests: Albert Breer, Bruce FeldmanSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And, well, breaking news. We're setting it up for you in the first T. So the lad just saw this by Matt Harmon tweeted this. The last four quarterbacks taken first overall. All four of their coaches have been fired. Urban, Frank Reich, Matt Eber Flues, Brian Callahan. All four have been fired. during the rookie season.

So I watched the Raiders Titans. It was a pretty lifeless performance. Did the team kind of quit on him? What are you hearing? Well, first of all, now you see why there are stories like Baker, Mayfield and Sam Donald with that fact that you just do laid out, right? Like a lot of these guys go to bad situations, it's no wonder they don't make it their first shot.

Yeah, I mean, I think this was just sort of where the team was going. I don't know that anybody quit on Brian Callahan. Um, you know, but certainly they look lifeless at several different points over the first month and a half of the season. They've got a new general manager in there. And, um, this is starting to feel with that organization column, like the chat chasing the tail. I just tweeted this out. I'll take you through the timeline. In 22, they, December 22, they fire John Robinson as their GM.

They hire Rancarthon to replace him. A year after that, they fire Mike Brable. They promote Chad Brinker from assistant GM over Ran Carthon. They hire Brian Callahan as head coach. A year after that, they fire Rayn Cartham, bring in Mike Borgonzie, and now just nine months after that, they're firing Brian Callahan.

So clearly there are some issues at the top here. And, you know, I think number one right now is how you're going to create the right environment for your young quarterback so you don't become another one of these cautionary tales. Like, look at what Sam Donald had to deal with early in his career. Look at what Baker Mayfield had to deal with early in his career. obviously those guys we're going to benefit from being in better

situations. If you're the Titans right now, job number one is to make sure that you're not the next of those cautionary tales and obviously they've given themselves some runway here to figure out who their next head coach is going to be. Okay, speaking of that, the Jets yesterday,

look good, not just Donald, Justin Fields, last year in Pittsburgh, pretty redeemable. They pay him 30 guaranteed. Yesterday there were times in the same. second half, and I wouldn't do this often, I would have taken him out. He had time. He froze. Like, this organization, if they get the number one pick, I think I'd stay in college.

I mean, what do you do? This has a Freddie Kitchens feel where it's just like, this doesn't work. They're doing nothing well. What do you do with the Jets? I'm a little stunned that it looks the way that it does, and they look as less as, as close as they have. Like yesterday it was the first representative performance they've gotten from the defense, right? Like they actually played decent on defense after allowing around 30 points a game over the first five weeks this season. And that's a defense, by the way, that played well under Robert Sala.

It has representative talent, Quentin Williams, Jermaine Johnson, Will McDonald, Quincy Williams, Jermaine Sherwood, Sauce Gardner, guys they paid, guys that were drafted in the first round, they're all over the defense. The offensive line, they've invested in. They've got good players up front now, even with the injury to Oliver Tucker, Garrett Wilson, Brees Hall. Like, there are good players on the roster. And this does not feel like what Aaron Glenn walked into in Detroit when he was Dan

Campbell's defensive coordinator four years ago. So it's really tough to explain why they've been so listless through six weeks. And, you know, certainly I think, you know, looking back on what happened in Detroit in 2021, gives you the roadmap for getting out of it, right? They started that year, oh, and nine, oh, 10, and one. They wound up going three and three in their last six games. It gave them a lot of hope. But I would say that, like, early on in Detroit, we saw more fight.

I think that when we're seeing from the Jets right now. So they got to get it turned around. And again, like, I think that if you're Aaron Glenn, you're hanging your hat on, I'm going to create some excitement in December and January for where this team is going in 2026. Because, again, I don't think they're devoid of talent. I think if you look at that roster, you see a lot of good players. Okay, I got to tell you, Philadelphia, the faucet broke. It was a drip, drip, drip, the faucet broke.

I know they're banged up on the offensive line, but go look at what Mack Jones did and Baker Mayfield are doing over the last three weeks with beat-up teams. I mean, Justin Herbert is pulling rabbits out of a hat. They got third string everything. And I look at Philadelphia, I don't want to hear about it. They have more depth than anybody in the league. Could they make a coordinator change in the middle of a third-year?

season because it felt working? I'd be surprised. Although, you know, Nick Siriani did, you know, turn over his staff a couple years ago. You remember they lose Shane Stuyck and Jonathan Gannon after that Super Bowl and they made the change from Sean to side and Matt Patricia in the middle of the

2023 season, I think it was, right? And then they fired Brian Johnson, their offensive coordinator after that year, went with new coordinators and Fangio and Callan Moore in 24 and we know the rest. So they haven't been shy about doing these things in the past. It would surprise me on offense, although I do think they've got an identity crisis right now on that side of the ball. If they did that to Kevin Petullo, after he paid

his dues the way that he did to work his way into that role, I think they're going to give him some time to figure it out. Obviously, the run game hasn't been the same as it was last year, and that bar was set really high. And I think what you're seeing now is part of the reality, which Aylent Hurts, very good quarterback, but he's not the same guy when the run game isn't working the way that it was in 2024. And so they've got to find a way to get that run game going. And then, you know, again,

I think after that happens, a lot of other things fall into place. But it does feel like there's a little bit of an identity crisis where when they've struggled with the run game, they've gotten away from it a little bit. And that's where I think they get tangled up and look a little bit dysfunctional on offense. Okay, trading deadline

is coming up. You know, there's let's talk good teams. I think the Rams could use a corner. I'll tell you this, I'll throw this out. If you're the Chargers, knowing Joe Alt's coming back, go get a swing tackle regardless. Because this is not just about winning games.

It's about protecting Justin Hurd. Let's talk Chargers. If you're Harbaugh, Denver now is winning ugly. Kansas City looks legit. I mean, Harbaugh, I wonder if they don't make a move. Quentin Johnson didn't play. What do the Chargers do when you're worried about, I mean, good God, look at Herbert.

He's getting hit 15 times a game. What do you do there? All right, so you're going to get, you know, Amari and Hampton back. You're going to get Joe Alt back, like you said. You're going to get Quentin Johnston back, right? I think you have to assess your depths at the tackle position. It's hard

to find offensive linemen, Colin. You know, as well as I do, there aren't enough of them to go around, and if you have good ones, you sign them, you keep them, right? But I think that the charges do have to consider it. Here's the reason why.

I think anybody in this situation will consider it. Why is it more important for the Chargers? I think this is a little bit like the Giants 15 or 20 years ago where so much of their identity ran behind that defensive line, right? Like playing without Joe Alt, or Sean Slater, is almost like if those Giants teams had to play without stray hand, you and manure and tuck all at once, right? Like, it's just that was the personality of the team.

It was the strength of the team. It's why Jerry Reese kept feeding that part of the team because he knew if I lose one of these guys, that can't become a weakness. It has to be a strength. And they've invested so much in making that offensive line what it was coming into the year. Then they lose Roshan Slater.

And so I don't think they'll be afraid to overinvest in the offensive line because same way those Giants teams, their identity ran through the defensive line. The identity as Chargers team runs to the offensive line. I just think it's really tough to find guys at those positions in season because if you have good ones, you're not letting them go.

Hey, I'm going to throw this at you Chicago Washington tonight. So I think I said this before the USC Michigan game. With Notre Dame on deck, USC had to win, and after getting pushed around by Illinois, they had to win physical.

Check, check, they did. So Chicago comes out of a buy. You can't come out of a buy and have operational problems with your offense. I think this is a real test for Caleb and Ben, privately, and this is where you come in.

Albert Breer joining us for the radio audience, Money Morning quarterback. You could lose tonight, but you better look the part off a buy if you're Caleb. What are you hearing in Chicago? I'm excited to see what they look like tonight, actually. Because, like, I think for the Bears, having the early buy,

most teams hate having to buy that early, right? Because that means, all right, now we've got to play 12 or 13 weeks in a row, and that's tough, right? Like as the season goes on, I think in the first year of Ben Johnson's program, the Bears almost looked at it as a little bit of an advantage because of the teaching progression with Caleb

and the rest of the offense, right? And you and I have been over this. We went over it in the summer where Ben was trying to feed Caleb with a fire hose early in the year, which is why at the beginning of training camp, it didn't look very good. Like, let's see what he can handle, and over the course of time we'll narrow down

what we're giving him. We'll figure out what he's doing well, and we'll lean into that. And so having the early buy gives them the chance to have an early reset where they could look at the first five weeks of the season and say, okay, or the first four weeks of the season and say, okay, here's what we did well and here's what we didn't do well, and here's what we're going to be offensively over the last 13 weeks of the season.

So tonight's the first chance we get to see it. I think we are going to see some moving parts there as far as what they looked like over the first month versus what they look like now. And I'm with you. Like I think that this is an opportunity for them to clean up a lot of the things that went wrong over the first four weeks. And you would hope this is going to be the start of the completion of what their identity is going to be for the rest of the season and that they have had that chance to look at what they do well and what they don't do well.

Okay. So Brian Callahan fired for the record. Mike McDaniel, Tua called out apparently the staff again after that game. I think McDaniel would get a job in five minutes as a coordinator. I think certain guys that may not have that classic alpha a little bit more beta personality, make them great coordinators. Do you think Miami makes a move on their coach in the near future? So, like, I'm not, like, I would never advocate for an owner going and checking in on his locker room, right?

Because I think that undercuts the head coach. You're basically creating an appeals court if you do that, right? I think Mark Davis did it with Josh McDaniels a couple of years ago, and it wound up resulting in the hire of Antonio Pierce. That was based on what really three guys thought. It was Josh Jacobs, Devante Adams, and Max Crosby. And lo and behold, less than a year later, two of those three guys were off the roster.

They weren't even there anymore, right? So I don't think you want to do that. But I think if you are upper management in Miami, it's important that you get a pulse for the locker room, and you're creative in finding a way to figure out where the locker room is at on Mike McDaniel. I love Mike McDaniel as an offensive coach. Here's the thing.

That first player's only meeting, right? That first players only meeting happened after the opener. That was alarming how early that happened. That got the attention of a lot of other coaches around the league, right? And now for your quarterback to stand up there and offer up that these are almost a regular occurrence, right? Like how casually he said, like, are players only meetings, like guys are being late to them? Like, they're happening all the time now. I think would concern me.

And the other thing would concern me here, Colin, it's just as far as the makeup of your locker room and your team is like your quarterback is getting up there and saying this stuff and saying like, well, players are late. Like, what are we going to do? This is a guy who's wearing a sea on his chest, right? Like, isn't it part of your responsibility to make sure that everybody's there that everybody's locked in?

Because that's something that goes beyond just the coaching, you know? And look, the locker room had been an issue last year. They tried to clean it up and trading guys like Jalen Ramsey away and emphasizing character in the offseason, but to still be here after all that and still be here after this apparent series of players-only meetings, I think you got to figure out where your locker room is on its head coach. And the tricky thing is, I don't think you can do that by going directly to the players. I think you've got to creatively figure out where they're at and then make your decision from there. Because if it is at a point where, like,

they're just tuning the coaching staff out, then that becomes a bigger problem where you're creating a tough environment for young players to grow in. Albert Breer Monday morning quarterback. Great stuff. Appreciate you stopping by in our hour three today. Thanks, bud. All right. Thanks, Colin.

Yeah, Brian Callahan been fired. I've been very reluctant to talk USC today, not because it was not significant, but I don't want to be crazy guy out here just because I wear occasional Trojan gear. But it was not lost on me how they just pushed around one of those tough cold weather big 10 teams. Anybody else notice that? Unfortunately, they have a tough cold weather ACC team

coming up in Notre Dame, which is, I don't think, a very good matchup. But I did take note of the big, tough, cold weather, big 10 team literally just saying, okay, we don't want to compete. Well, Notre Dame is one of those teams that's

dominant in the trenches. Do you think USC has a shot here? Well, and I think they're They're an eight-point dog. That's the number. 28, 20, 30, 23, 27. That's a tough ask. Notre Dame is better than Michigan. You want to make a road trip to South Bend?

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A brutal ankle injury. I don't know if anybody was watching live, but as soon as the pile kind of spread apart, Buck's players saw the ankle bent the wrong way and were signaling for the bench to come over. It is just brutal. They've now lost Bosa and Warner. They're two best players on defense.

Warner's the best linebacker in football. We would agree on that. I don't know how you bounce back from this, but I will point out, Robert Sala, the defensive coordinator, Colin, was with the Jets last year. the Jets are an 0 and 6 dumpster fire. If you want to pick some players up and try to make a run, say, hey, can we give the defense something to help out what could be an offense that's good down the stretch when healthy?

I would not be surprised if Sala went and got a couple of his former players from the Jets. Yeah, I mean, front off. It's a very, they got a lot of money tied up in Brock and Trent and Kittle and Warner. I mean, they had to move off Greenlawn Hufunga. So, I mean, this has been an ongoing four-year odyssey of injuries. It's brutal. I don't know what you do. I think you just cross your fingers and hope Iyuk, Purdy, Kittle and Pierce,

all get back, and you do the best you can. I mean, I do think the NFC is wide open. Would you agree with that sentiment? There's no, the Eagles have come back to the pack. I don't think there's a clear cut. That's the team to beat. I know you want to hand the Chiefs the AFC. I don't think.

I think Kansas City, when they get Rishi Rice back, is the only team in this league right now with a chance to be great. Okay. What about the NFC, though? I think there's a lot of good. Okay, so if you're the Niners, come on, push your chips in. I don't, I don't, it's only, we're not, we're just a third through the season. I'm not putting my chips anywhere. Okay, fair enough.

All right, let's move on, Colin to your guy, Bo Nicks, your favorite quarterback out of Oregon. Look at this play by Bo Nix, quarterback keeper, and then he's just, I'm lowering the boom on this hapless Jets cornerback, runs him over. obviously Sean Payton loves his quarterback. Here he is talking about Bo Nix. Sean wants to balance with the quarterback sliding for safety

versus making sure you get a player to Yeah, it's a great question. I think you know, Bo uses his instincts. For the most part, you saw him slide, but then there was the one play where it was Holy cow. He's got pretty good

instincts, though. Well, he's been uneven so far. struggling on the deep ball. You get good halves, bad halves. I think I will say this. I think Denver's offensive personnel is pretty good. I think he's been kind of alarmingly off on deep throws. You know, Drake May and Jayden Daniels from his class feel like they're just,

I kind of get the same quarterback every game, the last three or four for Drake May. I think Sean Payton privately is a little disappointed. I think they miss on too many opportunities. Now, again, they're winning games. I thought after the Philadelphia win, upset win, I thought. Remember I told you this Friday, stay away from this game. You're overseas. You never know what's going to happen overseas.

You have no idea. And they'd been away from home. And they just came off their biggest win in a year. I'm like, stay away. I think they go back home now and get Jackson Dart. I think that's who they're playing. Oh, yeah. But I think you have to be disappointed.

They've had open shots down the field and they haven't hit them. Yeah, I don't want to go in too hard. But I think uneven is a great way to put it. Colin, Bo-Nicks, not quite a sophomore slump, but if you just look at basic stats, completion percentage down, yards per attempt, down, QBR, down, quarterback rating, down. I mean, everybody got tape on him last year, and I think defenses are throwing wrinkles at him that he's not quickly realizing.

And as such, he doesn't look as confident as he did at times last year. But again, they're a playoff team, and as long as he doesn't screw it up, the defense is going to keep you in games. Final story, Colin, is, come on. saw this video of Kirby Smart. This guy, I mean, listen, I was on Auburn. I was a tough non-cover. They were in total control of this game.

Kirby Smart says he was clapping, not calling for a timeout. It's like, dude, what do you think? What do you think? What are you think? We're elementary school kids? Everybody could see he was signaling timeout. A lot of Auburn fans think, hey, Georgia has their refs in the pocket because they need the SEC. I will say this. Georgia has not been great

this season. No, they're not a great. team. They're going to get, if they play Ohio State, they're going to get rolled. Well, wait, hold on. They face Ole Miss this week. Ole Miss is undefeated and ranked higher. Where's the game? The game's in Athens. George has a seven and a half point favorite. Okay? So just for the people out there, rankings mean nothing. George is a huge favorite over Ole Miss. Your thoughts? Any play on this? Seven and a half?

I don't think they're going to lose twice at home this year. They already lost a Bama. I think Old Miss is okay. I think the SEC is a little softer than people think. I don't think they have a great team. I think they've got several good teams. I think right now, the three best teams I've seen are Ohio State, Indiana, and Miami. I think A&M is pretty interesting. I don't know. I'm just telling you, this Alabama team, just forget the FSU loss to start the season. What they've done since then, I mean, going to Georgia and winning, that win at Missouri was pretty damn good. Missouri's not bad. I just keep an eye on Simpson and Alabama. I like that quarterback a lot.

I can see him in Jets Green next year, Colin. Oh, poor kid. I wouldn't wish that on my enemies. Oh, dear. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News.

We've got some college football stuff. Boy, USC Notre Dame. Yeah, maybe one of the last times they play, unless Notre Dame is willing to play early in the season. Everybody freaked out when I said that, but USC's like, we don't want to play these cold weather games. We got Big Ten football now. You know, after we house Michigan, we don't want to have to go play in, you know, frigid temperatures.

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And I was like, well, you're not Ohio State Michigan. You're the third best program in the conference. And now that Oregon's there, you may be four. So let's be realistic to him. He's a great recruiter. But then the irony is he loses, not because he can't beat the big teams. He couldn't beat Northwestern in UCLA, and that was just too much. So there's reportedly there was an argument with the athletic director in the locker room.

Did that get him fired? Did he have a chance to save his job? Give me the big picture here. I think the big picture, Colin, is coming off the loss at home to Oregon. You had just an abysmal performance out here in L.A. When they played a UCLA team, not only was winless, they hadn't even led a game in their first four. games and then Penn State gets down 27 to 7 that was a gut punch they come back home the atmosphere in happy valley was really subdued and down and then they play a north a northwestern program that's not that

good either and they lose that game I think at that point it felt like not only are they not winning the big games now they're struggling and it just felt like the the team was playing really tight it just wasn't working out I think beyond that I don't think whether there's any argument or not with Pat Kraft, the AD. I think it just came back to, it felt like for everybody involved, it was time to make a change. Kurt Signetti is on fire, winning at Outson. I mean, Ohio State went down there last year.

This is a good Oregon team. I don't know if I'd leave Indiana. It's kind of rolling now. What do you do? He's going to get a call maybe, right? Do you leave in conference? What do you make of those rumors? Yeah, I think there would be legit interest if you're Penn State.

I mean, the guy is a Pennsylvania Nader from Pittsburgh. He's done one of the more remarkable jobs in college football turnaround-wise of anybody I've seen since I've been covering the sport. I mean, last year, year one, he takes a three-and-nine team that gets them in the playoff the first year. And then this year, they're playing even better. They went to Austin. That's the most impressive win anybody's had this year. They held him to one touchdown offensively. I could see them have an interest in him.

I would also keep an eye on Matt Rule, the Nebraska head coach. Remember, when he was at Temple and had back-to-back 10-win seasons there, Pat Kraft was the AD at Temple. Pat Kraft is now the AD at Penn State. They are still super close. It would not surprise me if they looked really close at Matt Rule. But again, Signetti's done an amazing job. I could see anybody trying to hire him.

I thought I said this Friday, I said with Notre Dame on deck, this is a really big win that could ripple through the program at USC. They can certainly beat Notre Dame. I think Notre Dame, the quarterback play, the coach, the O-lines, Notre Dame's really good. I'm not sure in this cold weather if it's a great SC matchup. But what Jaden Maiava has now become a high draft pick, it looks like if you'll watch Mark's drafts, I think Lincoln, I think he's had a great year coaching. I don't know what to make of the Illinois game. Maybe I'm over and embellishing it here.

I just thought that was a huge win for Lincoln, Riley, and the program. How did it land for you? I thought it was a really good win. This is what I would be excited about. King Miller, a guy almost nobody had ever heard of, walk on running back from Southern California, ends up having to play because your one-and-two running backs get knocked out of the game. He goes in there and rushes for over 150 yards, more yards than any team had rushed for against Michigan in the last nine games. So big credit, it wasn't just King Miller.

It was the offensive line, I think, looked really good. Now, they didn't look very good against Illinois, and there was a lot of self-inflicted issues with that team on the road. I also thought what was good for USC was the defense had been backsliding a little bit by game by game this year, and off the buy week, credits Dentland, the defense coordinator, they seem to have gotten things figured out. But now, as you said, C.J. Carr is a really, really good quarterback. He's probably the best quarterbacks Notre Dame's had since Brady Quinn. And it's on the road.

UFC and Lincoln have not been very good on the road. They've been pretty good at home, but on the road is where some of the issues come to light. Right. So now, if you look at the schedule, obviously Notre Dame is, they go to Notre Dame. They go to Nebraska, who's playing pretty well. And then later on, they go to Otson. You can't, you know, they can afford to maybe lose one of those games and make the playoff.

They can't afford to lose two, much less three, if they hope to get into the playoff. They're playing well. I want to see, will it travel? Because this is going to be a good test for them. It's a good team. They're really well coach. And the other quarterback is a budding superstar in CJ Car. lot of reports out of carolina let's go to you bruce for the truth where are they right now

you know there's a million different stories i don't know who to trust what do you hear with bellichick in the heels yeah everything i've heard and we did we at the athletic did a really comprehensive story talked to two dozen sources so much of bill bellichick's problems have come from his right hand man uh mike lombardi as the gm he's the highest paid gm in the country, $1.5 million. He went in there, and I don't think he really got how college football works. And I think a lot of that backfired on them. They brought in 70 new transfers, 70 new players, a lot of more transfers. They missed in the portal left and right. They didn't know the market. They didn't have a great feel for the talent. And that really set them back. And then, you know,

they lost three games, all blowouts, all against unranked teams. They got embarrassed by TCU and opener. Then they got really, you know, UCF was four and eight last year. UCF whipped them, 34 to nine. Clemson was up on them 35 to three at halftime. It's looked really bad. The roster is not good. So Lombardi has sent out an email to Boosters trying to explain, hey, we're going to now go into recruiting high school players and, and go that route. That obviously takes a lot longer time than to flip it through the portal the way like Signetti has and a bunch of other coaches have done. You know, you're talking about Bill Belichick at 73 years old. How patient are they going to be?

How patient is Bill Belichick going to be, right? I mean, their schedule is not even hard. They may not play one ranked team this season. Maybe Virginia will be in the top 25 when they play them. But that would be it. It's not like they're playing some SEC gauntlet. And it's not also like he took over. a one in 11 program that was in disarray like Dion took over in Boulder.

This team wasn't great, but they went to a bowl game last year. Mac Brown won 23 games in the previous three years. To me, the biggest thing was, again, this is from a lot of sources we talked to, was a combination of arrogance and really clueless. I mean, the arrogance of thinking they knew everything and thinking they knew better, and the clueless was not realizing what they didn't know, and it's a really dangerous combination that for the time being has really blown up in Belichick's face. Bruce Feldman, The Athletic, Fox Sports.

We called him this morning. Can you jump on? Great stuff as always, terrific reporting. And thanks, bud. Always a pleasure, Colin. Thanks for having me. Bruce Feldman, totally tied in covering college football since the mid-90s, New York Times bestseller, and we certainly appreciate that.

Wow. Brian Callahan fired. Albert Breer. This last hour was just nothing but journalism. I didn't do any of it, but it was nothing but journalism between Albert Breer and Bruce Feldman. Oh, boy, bears tonight. God, that game's going to be amazing.

Dodgers, Brewers, Bears, to nothing against Buffalo and Atlanta, Buffalo's going to win. Awful loss. Buffalo's winning that game. Well, what's that look? Are you sure Buffalo's a lock here? The line has come down, four and a half to three and a half. I'm only over.

and I like Atlanta to keep this interesting, Colin. That Buffalo defense, what have you seen from them that's good in the last few weeks? It's not a great defense. And now they've got to go on the road? I think if you watch Kansas City right now, my takeaway on the Chiefs,

Buffalo watched that sitting in their hotel room. In Atlanta, games in Atlanta, right? Yeah. Okay. Buffalo's in their hotel rooms. Everybody was watching. They may have watched it as a team. You think Buffalo, that defense,

defense can stop that Kansas City offense? I don't know. You think anybody on Buffalo can tackle Bijon Robinson? I expect, you know, probably 150 yards from scrimmage. I'm just saying, keep an eye on Atlanta. You know they were my sleeper team. I know you're the one who hits all the sleeper teams in the offseason. But I like the Falcons. Would not be shocked by an outright upset tonight.

For your well-being in your health, your mental health, don't bet on the Falcons. It's too late, my friend. Here's Matt Hasselbe. I just think Buffalo's sitting there and they're watching Kansas City play. Their GM's watching and their coaches watching. Kansas City's defense is like here Buffalo's is several notches below. You're not very good at stopping the run. That's what I'm watching tonight.

Can Buffalo finally stop the run consistently? Here's Matt Hasselback because I don't, Buffalo's defense and that Kansas City offense I watched the last two weeks, forget it. They're going to score in the 40s. Here's Hassel back on what he saw with the Chiefs offense. If you're starting quarterbacks, one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game ever, and then you've got the best offensive play caller designer in our era and Andy Reid. Like literally, how are you going to, like that gives me confidence as a player. That gives me confidence as a locker room.

And as a defense, like you got Mahomes over here running like speed option, like he's Vince Young or something. Like you've got to defend it all. You can tell that this is a team. There's no panic. There's no players only meetings there. You know, they're three and three. The sky's not falling.

You know, they're like, hey, we're going to go one and O this week. You know, we're probably like a game out. We're good. Yeah, Kansas City is, where she Rice comes back, he's a true one. Don't you mean when Jerry Rice comes back, Colin? Jerry Rice returning for the cheats. That's what we're, remember Xavier Worthy. We were hyping him.

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