The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - How NIL has changed college football, the pressures of coaching at Texas, Mack Brown

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Legendary head coach Mack Brown joins the show to talk to Colin about Arch Manning and the pressures of coaching football at TexasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, I've been looking forward to this all day. Mac Brown, the national champion, head coach. coach with Texas. I mean, he knows where all the skeletons are buried in this sport, and there's a lot of change. And I always thought Mack had the ability to teach and coach in a joyful way. He loved

what he did. When he returned to Carolina, the players loved him. But sometimes it's just time to move to the hill country in Austin, Texas, and enjoy life a little bit. Mack Brown is now joining us live. Coach, you know, I was thinking about this.

everybody, and I've said this before, I think I said years ago, the best job in football in America is coach in the Texas Longhorns. And I said that, and a coach texted me. And he goes, listen, it's a good job. He goes, but there's a lot of drama, there's a lot of boosters.

There's a lot of stuff, the Longhorn Network. And I love Sark. I really do love Sark. But I think it's one of those jobs, coach. It's a little harder than people think, you know, in Alabama, football runs everything. But at Texas, it's a music town, it's a food town. When you watch Sark Coach, do you envy him or do you understand sometimes what he's going through?

I think it's a great question, Colin, but I really think it's both ways. I love the University of Texas. I think it is the best job in the country, and especially within aisle, because you've got a chance, because you've got people that are passionate and they care. and the only way you can manage it, you've got to take their passion, and it's really pride, and it's not pressure, and they want to win so badly,

and you've got to be able to handle all the outside noise, and Sark's coached at Washington. He's coached at USC. So he's done all this. He's been there, done that, and I really like him, and I respect him, and he's doing a tremendous job, but after you coach at Texas,

it's really tough because you really got everything you need. When I first got there, I asked the loss. I said, I'd like to buy this. Does it fit in our budget? And he said, coach, you don't have a budget. You do whatever you want. I said, we don't have a budget. And he said, no, man, you'd go through it.

And I asked the loss one time as our athletics director, how hard is your job? And he said, when you're winning, mine's easy. When you're losing, I don't have a job. So that's the pressure at Texas. That's so good. They have Archmanning, and the Manning family is classy, smart, I mean, Arch Manning could have transferred. Not interested, supported Quinn Ewers.

Maybe I'm worrying about something that doesn't matter. Tim Tebow became like a celebrity quarterback, Cam Newton in college. Would you be worried about the burden, the expectation, the celebrity? I mean, you got Texas's program. The Manning name, would you be a little worried about that if you were Sark coming into the season? Yes. And you have less worries because Archie, Manning's the granddad and Eli and Peyton are uncles and Cooper's been through this whole ride

with all of them, the dad. And this family handles it. They got class. They got charisma. They got confidence. They have done all of these things they need to do. And I've been around Arch enough. He's just, he's smart.

He's self-deprecating. He'll laugh. He'll talk about people that have said critical things of him and say, yeah, I can understand that. It's just I haven't played a lot yet. So I'm really excited to watch him play. I watch Chris Sims go through this with his dad, winning a Super Bowl at Texas. And then I watch Vince Young and his last year going through.

Is he going to win the Hismann? Is he better than Matt Liner? He better than Reggie Bush. And Vince has got a really good perspective on being the quarterback here. But Arch is really into the guys. He's into that locker room. And that's what's so critical. for a quarterback and the thing Colin, I think people miss on Arch is Archie could run.

Granddad, we all saw him. I played against him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Eli and Peyton were, they could run, but there were more pocket quarterbacks. Arch can run. And that will give him a chance they got four new offensive linemen. So that's going to be difficult going to Ohio State. But when you've got a quarterback that can run, it makes those offensive linemen look a lot better.

You know, so Belichick takes your gig. It's interesting because usually when a legend like you retires, they bring in a young hot shot. They didn't. They brought in an old NFL guy who kind of has a way of doing things. I think, I'll give you my take. I think NIL saves Bill. I don't think Bill would have succeeded in the old way of building through high school players. But the NIL is almost professional football.

I think it gives them a chance. but I also think Mac, 17 hours max, I mean, you don't get the hours. You can't have a 60-hour week. Kids have more power. There's a lot of stuff here where I'm like, I don't know. Give me your crystal ball. What do you think Bill will handle effortlessly and what could be something that, you know, he'll kick around a little bit?

Well, the first thing, Colin, Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed to football big time for the first time in North Carolina history. They are really wanting football to be good, so they're all in. And that gives them a chance to be successful. Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. I mean, you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level the man can coach. He can evaluate because he had to bring in all those kids at the Patriots. And now administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro football at some level in college.

We'd no longer have amateurism. We have payment scales. We've got NIL. Kids are asking for money. They have agents. There's negotiations. So I do think the fact that we are much more like the NFL than ever before will really help Bill with this transition. The other thing is, every coach wants his own players.

Now, you say it takes you two or three years to get your guys in there. He's brought in 72 new guys. So you got money. You can evaluate and you can bring in who you want. I think he has a chance to win big and win big. fast. We were talking about this. It seems like about every third year you get a really, really good quarterback class.

And Cade Klubnick is, I swear, is he from Austin? He may be from Austin, Texas. Is he? Yes, Westlake High School. That's right. So where you're at, he's from there. So I went back and I watched this high school stuff and I went, I went deep diving a couple. And I saw him play a few times for Clemson.

He moves, like Arch Manning, he can move a little bit now. He's a hill four, six, five, he can run. You faced him, I think, twice at Carolina. I remember one for sure twice. What, when you, after those games, was he better in person? Were there things he struggled with? Give me a little bit of a, if I'm an NFL GM and I call you, I say, Mack, I'm thinking a draft in Cade Clubnick.

Give me a thumbnail sketch on him. What do you think of him? Well, I saw him in high school. My son went to Westlake high school. Todd Dodge was his coach and I knew Todd really, really well. We recruited him and couldn't get him to come. I think he's really, really good.

The two times that we played him, the first time he was good but okay, maybe a little cautious. Last year, at the end of the year, he got really confident. He nearly brought him back in Austin in a huge playoff game, but especially for him at home.

He's tough. He can run. He can throw. He's accurate. He's confident. And I think he gives Clemson a chance to be really, really good. Yeah. You know, Clemson hasn't done the NIL stuff. You were a legendary recruiter, Belichick, Dion Sanders, Lincoln, Riley, Brian Kelly, they're all in on it. I worry that NIL erodes chemistry. That's what I worry about. I feel like you don't know the odometer on a used car. I like to know what I know about

my guys have been recruiting since they were high school sophomores. What did you make of NIL? Does it, I mean, forget the paying the players, kid. They obviously deserve some compensation. But what does it do to a locker room? Does anything worry you about the portal or NIL? Colin, it's another great question. I do think the major programs, the brand programs that are going to have the majority of the money, it's going to ruin the competitive balance in college football because we're going to have

the same 15 playing at the end. And if you've got enough money to recruit high school players and keep them, then NIL's not going to bother you. When you're bringing in all the different guys, it's really hard. So what we learned is if you've got money and you buy a team, it doesn't mean you're going to win. Number one, you've got to buy the right ones. Number two, they've all got to fit well in that locker room. You've got to mesh together as a team, which is hard in a short period of time.

And number three, they've got to be unselfish. And that's one thing we're looking at right now. I saw Cedric Benson in a locker room. after we beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, sit there crying because he didn't want to take his uniform off. And he was a first round draft choice. And he just sat there. And I said, why are you crying?

He said, this is the last time I'll ever have this uniform on. And I'm not sure we're going to have that loyalty at schools that are bringing in all the transfers now as much as the one, like Sark only brought in 10 transfers, 1011. He's building it with high school guys. Clemson is building it with high school guys. They bring in a few transfers, but not many.

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Yeah, I like that. I like, you know, I'm kind of with Sark on that, or like if you're Ohio State and you bring in like Caleb Downs, if you can bring in a first round pick, go get him by all means. But I worry about that. Oh, by the way, I got to ask you about Drake May. So I like, one of the things I like about Drake May, he was your quarterback for several years,

is that he comes from a family of athletes and older brothers. And there is something about that coach, about the toughness. You know, playing with your brothers, buddies, and you're getting thrown around the basketball court and the football. Give me, did you notice that with Drake? Because in the NFL as a rookie, they're going to haze you, they're going to be on you. You're carrying luggage. Brable's a tough guy.

What about Drake may impress you? Beyond the size, the arm, what else did you like about it? he said when he was a kid he had to fight for food he had all those brothers in there so everything he did he he would have to compete and fight so uh they they'd play pickleball and get mad and one day i walked in the players lounge and there was a broken ping pong paddle i said who broke the paddle and he's sitting over in the corner and they all pointed to drake and i said drake why'd you break the paddle he said the tight end beat me in ping pong can you imagine the tight end beat me and ping pong and i said Yeah, but I still think you can keep the paddle clean without breaking it.

But he is so competitive. He's smart. He's got a great heart. He is a wonderful team leader. He'll have that locker room fighting for him in every minute. I just love him. I think he's a quarterback that's going to win a Super Bowl. Oh, that's great. Okay, finally, Mac and I talk for a couple minutes before we went on the air, and he moved to Austin, Texas, which is one of America's great cities.

and I'm not telling you where, but I know what golf course he's on, and it's darn nice. I'll tell you that. And I told you during the break, I said, my wife said, you need to get a hobby, and I could never find one. And then two years ago, I got oddly, bizarrely into, obsessed with golf. And just crazy, like, you know, just I'm into it all the time. And tell me a little bit about, are you playing golf? regularly. Colin, I'm playing just about every day.

I'm playing six holes, nine holes, 12 holes, and I just love it. And as a coach, you played, but you played with boosters. They were asking about the quarterback, or why'd you do this or why'd you do that? They told you, you can play bad, but don't play bad and slow. You've got to play fast. You never practice. You're always shaking hands before you hit the ball on the first tee in a tournament. so I've never been able to really play golf and enjoy it.

And now I am just absolutely loving it. So I'm doing my work. I'm doing some stuff, and then I head to the golf course. And what did your, you have a friend that told you, I want you to share this with our audience, because it really is so true. What did your, you have a friend that's a golfer. What did he tell you about golf?

I was playing with my friend the other day, and he was playing awful. He was really struggling. So he looked at me at the, end of the match and he said you know coach this is really interesting golf i said wait what are you talking about bud and he said um it costs a lot of money it takes all day to play four and a half five hours you hit a lot of bad shots and it makes you absolutely miserable and as soon as you get through you can't wait to get back on the portion mark and i think that's god that is and it's expensive

i mean it checks every bad and it's expensive and when you get home your wife's Where have you been? Did you have fun? No. It was awful. They had so many bad shots. Yeah, it's so true. It's great to see you.

As always, great, great American sports storyteller. Mack, I love you. Thank you so much. Thanks, Colin. Love you and appreciate what you do. All right, Mac Brown. That is so maddeningly true about golf. It checks everything that you would hate about any activity,

and you cannot wait to play. Driving home, you're like, I hit back-to-back shots on the six hole that were pretty good. And that gets the car to turn around eventually, go back. That's unbelievable. Now, by middle cough, John is, now you're only in your 40s, and you're already obsessed. Am I right? Yeah, I like swinging the sticks a little bit.

I consume, I watch a lot of golf content. I'm a football guy, but golf's probably my first love. Yeah. John with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, we talked about Burrough earlier today, and obviously the Trey Hendrickson contract saga continues.

As he continues, as he continues, is hold in at Bengals Camp. We discussed yesterday that the two sides are nowhere close to guaranteed, with the guaranteed money. With that said, one anonymous NFL executive says there is no doubt that the Raiders would be the frontrunners to land Hendrickson if he's traded. Should the Raiders make a move for the defensive end? Well, I mean, between, you know, in a division with Bo Nixon-Payton and Harbaugh and Herbert and Andy Reid, the way to neutralize that is have two of the top four edge rushers and football with Max Crosby and Hendrickson. I mean, you know, if you're not paying your quarterback, Matt Stafford money or Mahomes money, Gino got a good contract, but it's more in line with Baker and Sam Darnold.

there are, I mean, when Tom Brady was in his division or Peyton Manning and his, you would spend money on edge rushers. You would spend money on pass rushers. I do think the last two years, Bowers, Gentie, the first round picks for the Raiders are really important. Here's the problem. Brady, their new general manager, John Spitech, thinking big picture, right? What we're going to do for the next five, ten years. Pete Carroll is 73. Look at Pete Carroll in Seattle. Traded for Percy Harvin. Trade it for Jimmy Graham. Traded for Jamal Adams. I think Pete Carroll a couple weeks ago

they asked him like, what's your plan this year? He's like, to win? I've been winning 10 games a year for 20 plus a year. Pete Carroll's not there for building this thing up for the next Ben Johnson in three years to take over. He would want to make this trade. They are noticeably better at coaching

and quarterback, and they gave, I mean, they were a tough out. Kansas City should have lost, could have lost them twice. They were a tough out last year. To me, if you're the Raiders and John Spiteck, you could not give a first round pick. Now, after that, would I give a second round pick for him? Yes, I would be highly interested in doing something like that.

But the first round pick, and to me, if you're the Bengals, you can't get rid of them. Speaking about first round picks, Michael Pennix Jr., he showed a lot of promise last year at the end of the season with the Falcons, their offense ranked among the top 10 offenses in the NFL in the final three weeks of the season. Heading into year two, the O.C. Zach Robinson gave some high praise to Pennix's ability under center. It's a trait that really you look at the best QBs around the league. They all have different angles.

They can drop it down. If you need to go up and over the top of the defender, got to be able to do that. Mike has as quicker releases I've ever been around in terms of how quickly the ball comes out of his hand. And the way that he's able to get it out of his hand to the receiver, how quickly it happens is pretty special. What do you think, Colin? The Atlanta Falcons, Michael Pennix, are you buying in? Because last year, a lot of people picked them. Cousins fell off a cliff.

this year, Penix, who we're both fans of in college? The Atlanta Falcons, though, they lose a lot. I thought his comp was a bigger, stronger Tua. That he throws an incredibly casualable ball. He's an accurate thrower. He played in bad weather at Indiana and Washington and college. Now he gets to a dome. So, you know, that's something like Tua tends to be a warm weather quarterback.

Pennix is playing in rain and wind and lousy weather. I don't know. I think he throws a great ball. And it's funny, left-handed batters in baseball just look cooler. Agreed. There is something about a left-handed athlete. Phil Mickelson swinging the golf club. Tony Gwyn, the late Tony Gwynn, swing in the bat.

Like, I love the way the ball looks from my... I thought he threw the best deep ball in college. I saw him play live. It is beautiful. He throws a beautiful ball. I do think a couple problems for them. I think Tampa's going to be pretty good this year. I mean, they've been pretty good the last couple years.

I think Carolina is a team on the rise. They're going to be a lot better. While Mack Brown was telling story after story, I was looking at the internet. The last 24 hours, they have lost two offensive linemen. They lost a guy yesterday, and they had a guy carted off today. So that offensive line, which has been a strength of the team, there's only five of them. So if I remove two, we're talking, what, 40% immediately? These are long-term injuries potentially.

that would be a problem because remember Penix had a really, really good offensive line in college. Yes, also remember John, because you're not paying Panics and I don't know, are they still paying any of the Kirk Cousinsfield? Yes, he's still on the, he's the backup, making $28 million.

I was going to say, because they could be a team that makes a trade early in the season. If they like Pennix in that division, they start off three and one, I could see them saying, Pennix has some injury history at Indiana. I could see them making a move for an interior offensive lineman, trade deadlines like

week goes up to week eight. Yeah. So that that's an interesting team. I could see I mean, you don't want a young quarterback that has an injury history getting banged on if he, if they can't protect him because they gave up Drew Dalman. Remember Drew Dolman went to the Bears. He was a

top five center in the league. So they started with an issue a little bit of a hole on their interior line. And while Pennix, remember he ran a really fast 40 at the combine. He's not a running guy. He's a Hocking quarterback. Okay, speaking of

quarterbacks, the Cardinals, they're coming off in eight and nine season where they started but faded. And after the buy week and finish third in the NFC West, Kyler Murray is entering a seventh, God, that seems crazy, NFL season, but is yet to win a playoff game

in Arizona. And Matt Liner, former Cardinal quarterback, says it's time to take the next step, which is the playoffs. It's a winnable division. He has to put it together this year. Is this a make or break year

for Kyler Murray in Arizona, Colin? I think it is because of the stuff off the field. I'm a supporter. I'm like that throw right there. I'll tell you, John, you live down in Arizona, so you see more of the local

stuff and read more of it. I like their roster. Yeah. I really do. And I think the coach, a little bit like Seattle's coach, defensive guy I think is young and sharp. You know, J-Mack said this a week ago. He has them in the playoffs.

I would be, I would not be shocked. If you told me they end up winning 11 games, they have got, I mean, you start looking at McBride and Harrison and Murray, they've got some Star, Buda Baker, they've got star players in key spots. Well, they had a, I mean, a lot of people think they had an excellent draft. Will Johnson, the Star Corner for Michigan. A lot of people are like, oh, he's too slow. They got in the second round.

He's been making plays of practice. I just don't think, if you put a top 10 quarterback on their team, I think, I think, you think they could, if you put Joe Burrow in their team, they win like 14 games. Their roster is really good. I just don't trust this quarterback. He had in his first preseason Colin game, he threw one of the worst pick so far of the of August. And he's a starting quarterback, seventh year guy making huge money.

No one disputes his physical ability. Hard for him to see. So he's always got to be on the move. And his decision making, sometimes when the ball leaves his hand, it's beautiful. Sometimes it hits the other team in strike. He throws terrible interceptions. Yeah, he does. He's a little bit of a mercurial personality, too.

But man, when he's on, he throws, when he is on, like he was against the Rams last year, and he had a perfect pass-or rating. When he is on, he's a nightmare. He gave the Niners trouble. Like when he's moving around, he's feeling it, he's not getting hit. He's a handful. Yeah, he's a talent. John with the News.

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Oh, cream a chicken suit. Hey, cream. Cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What a pleasure it was to have Mac Brown on the show today. And, you know, some, we have to acknowledge that some kids do not get a great support system when they're young.

And Arch Manning comes from stability, great parents, grandparents. The Manning family is really smart, really classy. And, you know, they're well healed. They've got, you know, they're, they didn't, they got. money. And all that stuff can help, although money can, you know, more money, more problems. But I think one of the things about Arch Manning, he feels really mature for his age. And, you know, I was, you know, his granddad, Arch Archie Manning played for the Saints, who's actually a really good athlete. And Mack Brown talked about Arch at Texas and his future.

I've been around Arch enough. He's just, he's smart. He's self-deprecating. He'll laugh. he'll talk about people that have said critical things of him and say yeah i can understand that's just i haven't played a lot yet and so i'm i'm really excited to watch him play um i i was really kind of impressed me last year as a backup playing behind somebody i think he's as good or better than didn't say a word in the world of transfer portal and nil he was making some money but uh that impressed me. Then I asked Mac about, I do think not every great NFL coach would have the patience or the temperament for college football and boosters and the NCAA and athletic directors. And I don't think Belichick 10 years ago would have succeeded in college football.

Saban's got a bigger personality. Sabin and Belichick are the same guy. No, they're not. Nick is very funny. Nick, Nick loves to speak. Nick is great on TV. Nick is a really, really, you know, photogenic, smart, fun, lively. Yeah, Bill kind of tolerates the media. You know, it's an uncomfortable smile. But I do think the NIL really helps Bill because it's basically free agency. It's going and buying players. And I think that really helps him.

And Mack Brown talks about Belichick and his Tar Hill future. The man can coach. He can evaluate because he had to bring in all those kids at the Patriots. And now administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro football at some level in college. We no longer have amateurism. We have payment scales. We've got NIL. Kids are asking for money.

They have agents. There's negotiations. So I do think the fact that we are much more like the NFL than ever before will really help Bill with this transition. Yeah. You know, there's this feeling that, you know, NFL guys are better. or coaches, they'll go to college football. In the NFL, you're as good as your quarterback. Belichick's a great example.

In college, you're as good as you're recruiting. You don't have to have a great quarterback. Now, Davoswini had Trevor Lawrence and Deshawn Watson, that helped a lot. But, I mean, Nick Stamen won a lot of titles with average quarterbacks. So don't even need to name them. You know who they are. So college football is about recruiting, and I don't think Belichick would have been a great high school recruiter. But I do think the NIL allows him to write checks.

And he and Mike Lombardi, you know, they'll, and Lombardi's a good personnel guy. I think they'll, I think they'll figure it out. I am at much like Dion Sanders opener against TCU, I am, I have no idea what they're going to look like. Didn't Max say they have 70 transfers, John? 70? I mean, if you bring on five free agents,

that's like, whoa, slow down. It may damage chemistry. 70 new players or 70 new people, the new staff. I don't know what the number is. but it's a lot. I thought it was 40, but I just don't, I think it's, you know, again, limited hours. I don't know what to make of Carolina. If it actually is 70, I'm out on them. There's no way. I mean, that's just, especially him. It's very, his scheme is pretty intense. I mean, everything, the other thing I find funny is, like,

players now ask for money. They'll just go into the office right in college. I need a raise. Well, Bill for 20 years was known for saying no, you know, not paying him. And now he's just going to say yes to all these guys? I mean, his old thing when he hung his hat on that made him a great NFL personnel guy or make great personnel moves was not willing to, quote unquote, overpay guys. Now, there's a salary cap's a little different, but still. I'm going to be fascinated when the first guy knocks on his door and wants a big raise mid-season, how Bill reacts.

The staff just sent this to me. They added 40 incoming players. Now, the quarterback's a kid named Gio Lopez, and I went and YouTube him. Is he South Alabama or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an athletic guy. Yeah, it would be interesting to watch. He's obviously got some talent or Bill wouldn't have recruited him.

By the way, I said this earlier today. Aaron Rogers, Steeler Helmet, he's complained about it. It's awful. It's just too big. It's a spaceship, so the staff came out with ideas. The bucket look, I don't think that's going to work. That doesn't seem like it would pass safety protocols. Yeah, that's not going to work.

No, that's not going to work either. No, these are bad ideas. I thought his helmet was bad. These are worse. No, that's the guys, that's not going to work either. Sorry to the radio audience. You don't even need to see these. These are terrible ideas.

Is that a drum set? No, that's probably be a little disconcilable. He and an ayahuasca tent. No, that's no coffee maker. That's not going to work even. We'll see you tomorrow. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.

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