The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - How the Heat got into the Finals

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

How the Miami Heat squeezed into the NBA Playoffs and plowed their way to the Finals Former basketball coach Max Good joins Doug to break down Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals   #DouggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So we discussed earlier what, uh, what, uh, letdown. Real letdown game seven was. Because after leading nine to four early in the game, then all of a sudden the Miami Heat decided to make shots. The Boston Celtics did not. They were down 13 at the end of the first quarter. They scored 15 points in the first quarter. The crowd could never really be a factor. They never got the lead ever again. And there was a little bit of run in the third quarter. But outside of that, it just became an execution because of their execution. because of their execution. So there'll be a lot of things said about the heat culture

and Jimmy Butler's leadership and Eric Spolstra. But not a lot of how this actually happened. Like, how's an eighth seat? How's a team that has Max Drew's? You know, weren't we told, like, last year, when they lost as a one seat or previously when they've lost. We've been told that, oh man, you gave out a, you gave a bad contract to Duncan Robinson.

Because he can't guard anybody, blah, blah, blah, blah. And oh, yeah, he did miss two open threes in game six, which could have made game seven not even happen. But how does Caleb Martin, who was incredible last night? Max Truce Gabe Vincent You know They even used

Haywood Haywood Highsmith You're like Who? Talk about things you Google Who is Haywood Heism Duncan Robinson

And You know Kyle Lowry at times His look washed up He hit a couple of shots early last night He hit a big three And they end up

winning the game going away 103-84 103.84. There's lots of ways. You can lose a game seven. You can lose on a tip-in. And I understand, like, Jason Tatum was hurt. That wasn't the real Celtics. Totally get it. And the heat fan could say, well, we have to have Tyler Hero. There's actually a reason. I think you're better without Tyler Hero. Because it allows you to play other guys and space the floor more. And, you know, Jimmy Butler can create shots and Gabe Vincent can create shots. And Gabe Vincent can create shots and you know you play the zone for a reason so bam out of bayou can kind of just defend

the rim and doesn't have to move out and and switch defensively or play in the drop losing jason tatem or even though he played he was a shell of himself that might even been worse but their offense is built around him and defensively he got exposed because he couldn't move after rolling his ankle on the first first play of the game um but that's the margin for error that at any point in the series, if he sprains his ankle, you're going to suffer. But again, had they won any of those first three games, they wouldn't have had to go to game seven. And the ankle and rolling the ankle wouldn't have been an issue. But in the real world of basketball and the real world of sports, I believe there's three things that elevate teams and people.

And they're not everywhere. And I think the heat have it. The first one is, and a lot of people point out, conditioning. Conditioning. Now, I'll say this and I'll give, like LeBron is in any conversation the best conditioned athlete of all time. The reason he doesn't get hurt is some of its luck, but a lot of it is dude take care of his body,

and he's always in tip-top shape. You go back to when they beat the spurs. People remember Ray Allen hitting the shot, what they don't remember was they had to survive a close game against the spurs. The only guy that could make a shot for the heat in game seven was LeBron because the rest of them were so tired, falling down tired. Why do the Boston Celtics not shoot the ball well in game six and game seven?

They had some of the same shots of the heat. They had some very good shooters. Why didn't they make them? I'd have to say conditioning's a factor. And oh yeah, by the way, one of the reasons that LeBron couldn't win a game was in game four, he had 30th half, second half. And I know he's 38 years old. I understand. He's just exhausted.

But the Lakers looked exhausted. Conditioning. And the Miami Heat are famous. And this goes back to Pat Riley's days. This is a real NBA story. If you have real, like if Tim Hardaway is on or any of those old school, Alonzo Morning, man, Alonzo Morning looked exactly like Alonzo Morning last night, didn't he? There's a dude who has not aged. one second.

Lonzo Morning is he's got to be 52-ish. Is that about right? 52 years old? When you saw Alonzo Morning handing out those trophies, you're like, wait, how old is Alonzo morning? 53. 53 years old?

Damn, like don't crack at all. But that dude looks incredible. Incredible. I guess like, look, if you're a multi-multimillionaire and you live in Miami and you're a former professional athlete and you're already been a fitness guy and you're in good shape. But with one kidney, after 20 years in the NBA,

that guy looks amazing. I want to be Alonzo morning when I grew up. But the old stories were that the Miami Heat and their training camp, dudes would say like, hey, man, don't do it unless you know, it may take years off your life because they go to a gym and they like set up where you never leave the gym. And you never leave the gym. They'll set up like beds, see you take a nap.

couches, relaxation rooms, everything you want. Their whole thing is like, we're going to be in better shape than anybody else. Conditioning. The next part is culture. And cultures like every business uses it a word, like let's do the culture thing. But it's a real thing there. Not only is it a culture of competitiveness and of defense, but it's also a culture where they actually don't care where you came from and you get an opportunity.

And if you prove that you're good enough, it doesn't actually matter. And as much as we say other people, well, we do that. We treat everybody the same. No, they don't. They just don't. Right. And the last part is confidence. And I think coaching confidence is a really hard thing.

You've got to really know your players. You got to know them as men. Because lots of these guys that they post lots of people, like, why do they post pictures of what they're wearing or what they're driving? Like you could say dudes have lots of insecurities. Who doesn't? I have them. I'm sure you have them as well. What?

Because they're great professional athletes, they don't have insecurity. They don't have moments of crisis where they have a confidence, a crisis in confidence. Everybody has it. How you handle it. That's part of their culture. And part of their conditioning. You don't, you're confident in your shooting because, hey, dude, you played and shot tired in every practice. We condition harder than everybody else every year.

And here's the payoff. The payoff is when they're tired, when they're dead, that's when we got another gear. I just, we do a terrible job in the media, terrible, of telling you what really, really happens. We tell you the surface stuff. And I believe that listeners, viewers, you're way smarter than like our parents were. When we used to, when, you know, you go back 25, go watch old game. and you'll listen to the analyst and the things they would say. They weren't analyzing.

All they were just doing was cheerleaders. What a great play. What a great play! Like, that doesn't really tell me anything. How did that happen? I was even watching last night. And, you know, they were talking about all the other players from the heat who were hitting shots. Well, again, that's by design because you had to stop Jimmy Butler.

You know, Jimmy Butler gets to his race. He's not a blur. but when he gets to his spot he was making a shot. So you got to help. You help for one second. He just moves the ball. And you have guys that all they do is jump up and shoot. Like Duncan Robinson, as I put out on social media,

like people were saying those two shots he took at the end of game six. He exists on this earth for one reason alone. Shoot the basketball when he's marginally open. Max Drew, same thing. You know? Like Max Drew is a better athlete. he's in a good other division two player his mom played at de paul so he just went to depal and he's a he's a good big strong athlete but he's not jalen brown so how do you how do you handle that jalen brown and jason tain went healthy they're just more athletic in here go to his own then bam out of bio knows exactly how he can position himself in the lane even when you know even when there's the zone defense rules But I just, I don't think we do enough of what I'm trying to do now,

which is like the Miami Heat thing. And look, were they helped out by the fact that Janus missed two games in the series? Of course. Of course. You could make the case that the Sixers, the Sixers should have come out of the series with the Celtics. It took a 50-point effort from Jason Tatum. the nets, if healthy, if they kept KD and Kyrie, like, that's a championship caliber team.

Even go back a couple years ago, Kyrie said it. They had the bucks on the ropes. But a couple of things go their favor, and they put themselves in position, and now all of a sudden, they play with extreme confidence, they're in the best shape, and they have the best culture. It doesn't always mean you always win. they're probably not going to win this series. It's not a great matchup. But it's more than just, oh, hey, we made shots and they didn't make shots. You make shots for a reason.

You make shots because you have the right shooters in the right position at the right time and they're in the right shape, the right mental space to make all the right plays. Stuff doesn't happen just by accident. It's either somebody's fault or it's been coached to be at a specific place. That's the reality of sport. And I was just blown away by the heat that if there's ever a game plan for how to win a game seven on the road, they executed it. Right. First quarter is incredibly important.

They took the lead. They went to the zone at just the right times with just the right momentum. And the Celtics never really adjusted. They just kept doing the same thing over and over again because, well, heck, in the regular season, that stuff works. Doesn't work as much in the postseason. And they were hurt by Tatum getting hurt. and oh yeah by the way then instead of

trying to attack Al Horford on ball screens they're like let's just go out Jason Tatum every time his man gets the ball he can't move they swept the leg right they swept the leg and the Celtics are sitting there going like they don't play him

you know we're losing all not just at points but he commands respect so he opens up the lane if we but if he do play him we got to hide him defensively couldn't hide him he wouldn't let him be hidden that's the other part to it. It's the old Spurs thing where they're like, you need to,

what does it, get over yourself? Your role changes not just based upon the game or the series, but the matchup. Normally, Max Strucson, you name the player, they're not going at Jason Tatum. He's a pretty good defense player. Last night, whoever's got him, take them.

Or let's make him guard Jimmy. Or let's make him guard Lowry. or let's make him guard gave Vincent because he couldn't move. They swept the leg. And one last part. You know, the record for the Scott Foster led crew coming in was like something crazy, like two and, I don't know what it was,

34 of the heat when that crew officiates the game. The best thing about game sevens in the NBA, you'll disagree with a call here or a call there. But for the most part, they're the best officiated basketball games on Earth. They just call the game. I don't know why they don't do that the other six games in the series, but game sevens feel like evenly officiated and feels like a complete, a discussion with no merit.

Zero. Zero merit. All right, coming up next in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin. Let's get to what went wrong for the Celtics last night. We'll do so with a legendary basketball. and our Celtics correspondent. That's next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Hurd.

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obviously the history plays a factor as well but what went wrong for the Celtics you know we'll do we'll ask a kind of a basketball legend names Max Good he's been a head coach at two different universities UNLV and at Louis Merrimount he's been a long time college assistant

head coach at Maine Central Institute, which was a famous prep school, which they kind of dominated the earth. And he's a fun personality that we've had on the Doug Gottlieb show, broke down the Celtics and big basketball games. Max, you watched that one from your couch last night. Good thing you didn't fight traffic and pay parking. You would have come back grumpier than normal. Oh, you know, boy, you've never told a lie there. Gosh, I was glad I didn't. You know, I'm sad it's over because I enjoyed the game so much.

And although I'll watch this series to watch Joker play. But, you know, everybody says how the Celtics are so much better than Miami. I'm not sure I buy that when you factor in IQ and coachability and knowing how to play. I think Miami's got better basketball players. Selvich probably could come up with a better 440 relay team. I think you bring up a great point. It's one of the things that people, I think, are coming around on on Joker. And I talk to coaches all the time.

They're coming around on with their teams, which is, like, we do this thing that we evaluate your ability, your bag. How many moves you have can score off when you have the ball. and there is so much more to the sport, right? Especially now as shooting has become the most important skill. The second most important skill is, like, defensively, you just kind of got to be able to keep somebody in front and then be tough. And that's it. Right.

And instead, we do the physical attributes and oftentimes the, you know, we try and how you're ranked or rated coming up. Because you have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, too. Jalen Brown is a freak athlete. and Jason Tatum's always been a highly ranked player, so too, as Marcus Smart. We just assume they're better basketball players, but that's not actually what wins basketball games.

No, not at all. I just, you know, when it's not cutting time, I think you want people with IQ, with people that have gotten an idea how to play, and you want players that have come from winning programs. it's just like the kid that transferred he was at North Carolina State and then he went to Nevada

that kid fell of a player Caleb yeah he was he was amazing amazing I would trade him for I'd trade Jalen Brown for him yesterday here's kind of an inside basketball thing though okay so obviously they really struggle with the zone and my issue with it was there was no creativity in terms of their attack, like none.

They just, you know, put whoever the big is in a high ball screen, try and turn the corner, create help and kick out, if not find the mismatch and go. Like that was their whole zone game plan where most every other team now is taking kind of the European approach where the ball moves side to side. You're still trying to get downhill into a ball stream, but, man, they had no creativity. On the other hand, Max, Tatum and Brown have to play like point. point guards with certain lineups and how they're attacking. That's not what they do.

They're not good. They've never been asked to do that, and I don't think it puts them in the best position. No, I thought the Celtics had one decent move against his own, and it was basketball 101. They hit the short corner to Horford, and then Rob Williams dove to the hole. They gave it to him, he got a dunk. They actually looked like they had some, some ones of, um, uh, zone IQ on that one particular play, but it didn't repeat itself.

No, no, it's almost like a mistake that ended up kind of working out for him that Al did something he wasn't supposed to do. Okay, so what about the heat? How were they able to, they were efficient offensively? What were they able to do to get so many open looks that they made? Well, take the adjustment that Jimmy Butler made. You know, I thought the soldiers had done a reasonably good job later in the series. of not biting on shot page.

Well, last night, Jimmy Butler just got in the lane, didn't shot take. You just took it up and scored. I mean, that's a pretty simple remedy, but I don't think a lot of people would have done it because it's a little.

But I just think Miami is superbly coached, and that wasn't always the case. You know, when he first took over the head coach, he was on the hot seat there for a while. And I wouldn't want to be on a hot seat with Pat Riley. No, no, not so much. If you were running the Celtics, what would you do?

Decisions and resign probably, you know. I wouldn't want that responsibility. And I don't want to... I understand you don't want to... I'm just, I'm giving you a hypothetical, Max. You've got to make decisions. Okay, somebody's got to make some decisions. even if you resign, the next guy does.

The next guy steps in. You got Jalen Brown, if you resign him, it's like, it's like $290 million. It's crazy. Yeah, but you've got a year, and then you can trade him after a year and avoid that money. It doesn't kick in for the first year. So they're playing with house money for one year, but then they'd have a serious decision to make the next year. I don't know if they'd be just, you know, delay in the obvious.

But I don't know. I just, I don't like, Boston just does not do particularly well when it gets, when the game gets tight. They just haven't. I'm there very, I don't have a kind way of saying it. What would you do,

what would you do with Missoula? I mean, like, obviously you can, he's going to have a whole new staff, I'm told, some additions to that staff. Is that enough to help him out? well that would be helpful if he'll listen to him but when you hear him in interviews

I think he thinks he's a little bit like Greg Popovich well he hasn't put in the time or got the result you know he smug with answers and and uh you know after one game they lost earlier and people questioned some of his moves and some of his decisions well they won a couple games later and he said well why aren't you asking you me about our adjustments tonight. You know, you can't do that in Boston. I mean, Boston's a tough place to play. It's not for everybody.

And their fans are probably more educated than a lot of places, but you're not going to, you know, you're not going to pull any shenanigans on them. How much does Tatum getting hurt give? the Celtics a pass on last night? Well, it does for him. I don't know if it does for the Celtics. I mean, you know,

Tyler Hero hasn't played yet in this series. And he's no favorite of mine. He always looks like he's auditioning for the new kids on the block with his outfits he wears, but nevertheless, that has nothing to do with his plan. You know, he's obviously a good player. Wasn't he six-man of the year a year ago?

Yeah, and he's, But he also has that he needs the ball and needs to make plays in order, and he's not a great defender. But more than anything, like, he needs the ball, and they're not always the better because of it. No, no question. You know, the Celtics, you know, with Marcus Smart and Tatum and Brown, you know, I thought the Selig's best player last night was Derek White,

who I love. I loved him last year and I loved him this year. You know, he's become a better shot. maker with confidence, but Derek White knows how to play. No question. He does have good basketball IQ. Well, it's going to be an interesting off-season. Obviously, you want

no part of the decision-making, but Max, we love that. I don't like to say things and then, you know, look like a fool when I've made because I have the courage of my conviction, but, you know, that's always

an easy job until it is your job. Right. To make those decisions. No question. No question. All decisions are very easy, sitting in the barbershop or, you know, sitting out in the yard on a cool night. But when it comes time to make those decisions, it's a whole different story. At what point in time did you turn it off? Pardon? What point did you turn?

I was sitting there tempted. Oh, no, no, no, no. I will never turn the game off. I'm watching to see who's still playing with a minute to go. I think it reveals something about character. used to tell my team, especially at Eastern Kentucky, we'd play in a lot of good tournaments. If we got the

consolation game, I said, now you're going to be testing. Anybody can play in the championship game. What are you going to reveal about yourself in a, you know, in a consolation game? No, I won't turn it off. I watch right until the last minute. Nice. You saw the lineup with, was it

Pritchard, Hauser? Yeah. Yeah, they threw, they threw all the shooters out there in line up and then have them pressing, but they did play hard late. Max, you're the best. I appreciate to join us. Thank you, Doug. I think, but the biggest bummer of the Celtics losing is that we won't have Max Good on. Right. Tyler Hero, he always looks like he's auditioning for new kids on the block.

It's like the perfect reference, but a super dated reference, but a perfect reference on the last. Is that fair? Let's get to Jason Stewart with the News. Heard line news. Turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. I love that Sam's so into the combo. He was like, oh, wow, I got, forgot. We broke news on the show today. We didn't break news.

We repeated news that had been broken elsewhere. No, no, no. We just broke news two minutes ago. Max Good will not be replacing Brad Stevens for the cell takes. It's amazing. I'd say a couple of things, and then I'd resign. I'm surprised. I'm giving me a hypothetical.

New kids on the blog is actually pretty current. I was thinking he would be like Frankie Valley in the four seasons or something. You know what? Shom Sharania went on a stadium show today. And he said that Robert Williams was throwing up during halftime last night. Now, I think all of us saw him kind of queasy on the sidelines all game. And the easy joke is that he was about to throw up watching his team play basketball. Doug?

Who threw up mid-game earlier in the playoffs? Who was that? On the floor? Well, they like ran to the locker room and threw up up and what was that the I feel like it was the Lakers Warriors series somebody threw up. Was it Wiggins or was it Looney?

You played a lot of basketball. Did you ever throw up at half time or even on the court? No. No. No. I don't remember ever throwing up. Throwing up is one of those weird things, right? There's that distinct flavor of the stomach acids, like in your nose and in the back of your mouth. Yeah. Very unpleasant. But is there a, honestly, is there a moment where you feel better ever than when you just get done throwing up?

Yeah, that's it. Robert Williams dealing with a stomach virus last night, just adding to that game that Jason Tate. Do you say, like there's the upchuck, yell at the pavement, scream at the porcelain god, boot. Boot is like the Canadian.

Vomit. Talking to Earl and the big white phone, right? Never heard that one. There's a wretch, Ralph, upchuck, gag, puk, barf,

Wow. This is not my strength. That was a quick 15 right there. I can do Fletch movie lines, but I'm not a big pro-up guy. News of the day, Doug. By the way, there's a guy, I was like, hold on. Speaking of Robert Williams. I don't know if there's a more athletic guy in the NBA, but every time he lands,

it looks like he got hurt again. Right? It's like, oh, what a block. And he lands like, oh, he's limping again. How's that possible? Anyway, go ahead. Our guy, Beau Benson, just texted me. Gary Payton was the one of us.

Gary Payton. Well done, Bob. Somebody's paying attention. I like that. Now, Bob Myers, two-time executive of the year, stepping down from the Warriors. Could I just pay tribute to what Bob Myers accomplished with the Warriors? Sure.

As his press conferences at 4 p.m. Eastern to say goodbye, but he hired Steve Kerr. He signed Iguodala, Kevin Durant, Sean Livingston, Javelle McGee. He drafted Draymond, Harrison Barnes, Jordan Poole, Kevin Luni, traded for Bogot, Wiggins, Kumanga, and he won four NBA titles. So the big show topic that I've seen online here, big debate topic, I'm sure we'll see tomorrow. Who gets more credit? No, no.

Hey, Doug, is this the first break in the dynasty? Yeah. Yeah. They had the same coach. They had the same, you know, three stars together. You had the same president and general manager. Yeah, I think it is. It should be pointed out that in the rare genius,

when they traded for Bogot, and Bob Myers was in charge, they offered the Milwaukee Bucks two different options. I love the story. One was Monta Ellis. The other was Steph Curry. So we can sit there and go like, man, they built a monster for Steph Curry.

Like, they didn't know Steph Curry was going to be. step current, that he could stay healthy to be Steph Curry. No one knew. That is a great story. I like that one a lot. On to football. Deshawn Watson was asked about DeAndre Hopkins today at practice.

And he didn't not answer it. He's like, me and D.Hop, we just naturally talk. We've been talking since the Houston days. And whenever he was in Houston, in Arizona, we'd always talk. I would love him to be a part of the team. But I'll leave that up to our GM, he says.

Of all the teams named, I haven't really heard this one, but what do you think? Hopkins and Watson reconnect in Cleveland. I mean, it would be great. I mean, couldn't hurt. Apparently it's the Bills and the Chiefs in some sort of bidding war. I just, look, he has seen some decline. He's not, he doesn't have blur speed, but he's still a big target. Again, the question with him is, you know, is it motivation?

Or is there some slippage there? And he wants, if he's motivated by money, I also think Deshaun Watson's contract will be a bit prohibitive. But, you know, Josh Allen has a big contract. Mahomes has a big contract. Somebody's going to try and make it work. I think he's just more of a possession guy now than a big play wide receiver like he used to be. And if you can make that mental adjustment, if he can make that mental adjustment, and there's a financial adjustment that comes to it, he'll still have a.

a couple good years left. One more thing. You see this where the Big 12 is trying to entice Gonzaga? Gonzaga? What do you know about this? The Big 12 is widely regarded as the best basketball basketball. You know, because you got Kansas who won national championship two years ago.

Baylor won the national championship before that. Percentage-wise, when they've had 10 teams, they've gotten the highest percentage of they've got seven teams in, that's 70%. they're incredibly invested in basketball and I think Brett Yormarks their new commissioner and he comes over from running the Brooklyn Nets

on the financial side. He's a basketball guy he's a New Yorker and a basketball guy and he wants to be the best basketball conference whereas Gonzaga you know the question has been one you know what can they put themselves in position financially so they're in a better place than being the WCC and would it help their

team to play. Higher level teams. I think that I feel like the Big 12 is going to continue to try and add maybe one other team after that and make it the best basketball conference on earth in addition to how competitive they are football-wise. But like the football window, there's just no one you can really add unless the ACC breaks apart that brings you football credibility, right? Virginia Tech, Florida State, you know, maybe to a lesser extent, Miami.

Like those are the ones that you need. So if you can't get those, We'll go get the basketball ones. That's why there's some interest in Gonzaga and Yukon. That's Jason Stewart with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News.

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Now here's what I got Last night was a letdown of epic proportions Right you're like Boston Garden Game 7 Memorial Day this is going to be awesome. It was not awesome. I'm not taken away from the heat. They just led and never really relented.

They were just better. That's really what it kind of comes down to. But there are five letdowns in entertainment that I believe are above others. Let's give you the list. Number five. Batman and Robin. You guys remember this?

Arnold Schwarzenegger played the Iceman. He was terrible. Right? Mr. Freeze. I don't even know if I'm Mr. Freeze at the Iceman. It's awful. And then George Clooney's been good

in a lot of things. Not as Batman. Chris O'Donnell was Was he Robin? Yeah. No, Val Kilmer was, yeah, yeah, it was good.

Jim Carrey was a good Joker. Right? That was actually a role that I actually liked. A Ridler, whatever. And I like Ridler's Revenge of, the ride. But Batman and Robin sucked. That actually ended, that was, that ended the Batman series for a while. And then Christopher Nolan brought it back and it was big time. It was really good. Number four. I've actually never seen it because I've heard it so bad. Indiana Jones 4. Indiana

Jones in the Christa, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I know they made a five. It's coming out this summer. Like God, Indiana Jones is not supposed to be old. but he is. That's the fourth biggest letdown. Number three. It's going to be controversial, but I got to be honest, the Irishman was just way too long,

and it was like every cliche of every gangster movie ever, and Scorsese is a genius, but you've got to put them on a time limit, right? You're like, time here. You know? If you make a series, make a series. But a movie can't be four hours long,

and you can't get every guy ever has been type cast in a gangster movie in a gangster movie. Number two. Seinfeld finale. Right? Look, I understand the show about nothing and the finale about nothing,

but it really was a nothing. There's so many good Seinfelds. So many good ones. They're like, oh my God, I completely forgot that one. Remember the Kenny Rogers chicken one? I love that one. That's good. Right?

They're real and they're spectacular. Um, there's been a lot of good ones. The finale was a total letdown. Number one. Star Wars, Phantom Menace. Jar J. Jar Binks. Need I say more? And it wasn't just that it was a bad Star Wars.

It was that it was like 30 years in between Return of the Jedi. They had 30 years to figure out what people wanted. And somebody at Disney's like, hey, why don't you throw in like a cartoonish character with rabbit ears that's, uh, that's on the good side? We'll call it Jar Jar Jax. Like, really? yeah that's in the anyone's annals of greatest letdown of all time that's your best for last

but there's lots of letdowns right lots of letdowns the biggest letdowns i think usually are you go to a restaurant when you're super super hungry and you've never been there before and you bite it in you're like oh my god that's amazing what did you put in that food and then like two weeks later you're like dude we got to go to this place it's so so good just i'm going to order the same thing that i had and then you're not really crazy hungry and you've had it before

and you're like, what was I? That was, you know. There was, there's been plenty of coaches who have had letdowns. You know, Bob Stoops used to be big game Bob. Then Layton is running Oklahoma. They especially playing for national championships. They only won one in 2000.

Jim Tressel kind of had some of that, right? But they just beat up on Michigan. That was their thing. also letdowns in life you have a dream car you get into and you drive you like mm-hmm yeah

I remember I got some jabot jeans he has no jabot jeans they were the ones they had a little button on the fly and like they were so big and I saved up all my well like childhood cash

and I get to high school and I buy some jabo jeans they did not fit my body in anyway. In any way. Like I have an athletic body. I have like thick thighs and I got a, for a white dude

I got a booty, right? They were not built for my body style at all. At all. I used to want to dress like surfers and skaters. That's what everybody around me dressed like. I tried like doesn't fit my body. Not at all. Those letdowns are big time. You know? And obviously the morning after you wake, I'd be like, whoa! What was that?

That's the, that's the, that's the ultimate letdown. All right, we've got to start now paying attention, I guess, to the Nuggets. Although them complaining about paying attention has really been tiresome. We'll figure out what happens with Bob Myers. You're just joining us. Bob Myers resigned today as president, GM of the Warriors. It does feel like the beginning of the end of at least this portion of the Warriors dynasty. And then the question becomes, does he take another job?

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