The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Jimmy Johnson stops by The Herd

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Hall of Fame head coach Jimmy Johnson joins the show to defend Belichick and why it’s such a mistake he was held out in year 1See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, we have talked about this today. The strange thing about Hall of Fame voting is they just tweaked the voting. So now coaches can get in one year after they leave the sport. Players, it doesn't matter if you're the greatest player in the world. You've got to wait five years. But we said earlier, Don Shul is the winningest coach ever. He had to wait five years. For the record, Bill Walsh, arguably the most innovative coach ever, did not get in the first time he was eligible.

Vince Lombardi didn't. And Joe Gibbs, who won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, did not. But there's a sense with Belichick, I mean, come on, he's got this cachet of rings. And again, I would have voted him in. I get it. But my argument is when you start looking at people who didn't get in, and they had to wait five years to begin with, our next guest is somebody that waited far too long. One of the great coaches of all time, Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer.

Fox Sports is now joining us live down, as you know, in the Keys. So listen, I would have voted him in. But my take is when a Lombardi or a Walsh, or a Joe Gibbs, or a Jimmy Johnson, or a Parcells who won a Super Bowl with Jeff Hostetler and Sims, can you not argue, well, those guys had to wait. Why can't Bill? Isn't that a legit argument? No, it's not.

You're completely wrong, Colin, because coaches are a lot older than players. And you'd like to get the coach in before he's dead. And so, you know, because of the age of coaches, it's not like, you know, and they're going to retire when they're 31. They're going to retire when they're 65. And so because of the difference in the age, you know, the coaches really need to go. really before they get to the point of where they can't enjoy it. You know, when you were elected into the Hall of Fame, it was live on Fox TV, and you were not only emotional, so was everybody that works with you, because you've been at Fox,

you've ingratiated yourself to a lot of people. Listen, Bill didn't get along with the crafts. I mean, he said he's never gotten along with the media. I know that shouldn't matter, but stuff like that in life does matter. What about the whole pushback that, you know, Bill's going to be in a, a year but you know he poked the media in the ribs and some of those guys vote and he just shut him off and built up walls what about that argument well i i don't really think i've had three hours sleep ever since the news came out last night because it's so wrong you know look at the

accolades you know look at all the division wins look at eight super bowls six of them as a head coach uh second all-time winning is coach in history uh and so i'm not going to talk about the I'm just going to say, okay, why did he not go in? I'm searching my own mind. Why did he not go in? Did Kraft, because him and Kraft are at odds at one another, did he have an influence? Did some of the media have an influence

because he didn't give him an interview? He wasn't the most pleasant to the media back when he coached. You just don't know, you know, some of them use the excuse of Spygate, which is totally ridiculous. us. Every team in the league, before they had electronic communication from sideline to the field, every team in the league tried to steal the opponent's signals, whether or not it'd be an assistant coach studying the opponent on how he was signaling, whether or not they're doing one thing. We actually picked it up from Kansas City. Howard Mudd was a great offensive line coach,

and they had some outstanding teams. But he was at Kansas City, and scout told us, says, here's how we do it. You know, we actually filmed the, opponent's signal caller, then we match it up with the film, with their signals. And so I said, hey, that's a great idea. We tried doing it. We were horrible at it. It really took up too much time because it's only got a few seconds that you can get it in. But we watched Kansas City. The offensive guard would look over at Howard Mud on the sideline, and he had given him a signal whether or not it was going to be man coverage or zone coverage or a blitz, et cetera, et cetera. So like I said, we tried it.

We didn't do very good at it. We stopped doing it after a couple of weeks. But teams have been trying this ever since they had signals before they did the electronic communication. You're not the only person that thinks Robert Kraft did not want to go in with Belichick. And there's, I mean, listen, you know better than anybody. Owners want to get their way. Owners are very close with Roger Goodell because they're his boss.

And I mean, do you think around the league people in your space, legendary coaches think Kraft has a lot to do with this? Well, it could be because, you know, for instance, there's a lot of media that said they want to have access to the New England Patriots. Well, who's going to give them access, Bob Kraft? And so if there is some tension between Belichick and Kraft, and maybe Kraft, it may be craft. But he wants to go in before Belichick goes in. And I don't know this for a fact. I mean, there are a lot of different factors, but for some reason, you know,

these people, 10 or 11 or 12 voters did not vote for Belichick. And with his accolades in all of the championships, he deserved to go in first ballot, you know, unanimously, and with no one voting against him. Do you think he's bothered by it? Well, I think it hurts him. Yeah, hey, Colin, we're all bothered by it. You know, when you work as hard as coaches work,

they're proud of what they accomplished. You know, and Bill's proud of what he accomplished at New England. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he had a great quarterback, but how many Pro Hall of Fame coaches didn't have a great quarterback? I had Troy Aitman, you know, Noel had Terry Bradshaw, Walsh had, you know, Joe Montana, you know, own and on. And so you can't use that example. excuse. And see the other thing, too, just knowing Bill personally, yeah, I don't know of a single

person, yourself included, anybody that knows the history of the NFL like Bill Belichick. Anybody that ever watched him on TV picking the top 100 players in the history of the NFL could see the knowledge that he has about the league. He loves the NFL. He loves the history of the NFL. And you know, it's got to hurt him that he didn't go first out. I was with him at the national championship game. And I walked away and he said, I hope to see you in the hall this year. And, you know, I thought it was just going to be a slam dunk.

And so I chartered a plane. I was going to fly a jet up to Canton to see him go in. Well, I cancel that flight. I'm not going. Yeah. Yeah, again, I devoted him in. I've spent today saying, we can all vent that he didn't get in,

but let's add some context. Have we run the Seth Wickersham bite yet? I don't think we have. Seth Wickersham's a writer for ESPN. They did change the voting methodology this year, which is weird, and I think all Hall of Fame get a little too personal and petty. So here's Seth Wickersham, great writer on Belichick in the voting process.

Belichick was expecting that he was going to get 49 votes. Like privately, that was his expectation that he would get 49 votes, and obviously he didn't come close to 40, and I think that that's pretty interesting. And again, how that happened is really difficult. It wasn't like the Hall of Fame wanted us to break this story yesterday. They didn't.

And a lot of the voters didn't know that Belichick hadn't gotten in. You see a lot of their reactions on social media, and they were blowing up Don and I's phones for sure, saying, like, this is an embarrassment for all of us. We had no idea that Belichick didn't get in. Yeah. Because of the process, you know, they had, you know, like five candidates, and they picked three of the five.

Well, some of the media might have said, well, it's a slam dunk that Bill's going in. That's right. So I'm going to vote for so-and-so to help him get in because I know Bill's going in. And so it could have been the process of picking the Hall of Fame candidates. But there's still no excuse. You pick the best, you know, available. Hey, listen, I'm a coach, Colin. And, you know, if a player doesn't go in, hey, I live with it.

okay, then he'll get a chance next year. But I know how great a coach Bill Belichick is. And for him not to go in, first ballot is wrong. What is his greatest asset as a coach? When you go fishing with him, what's the one did you just think to yourself, man, he's different? I'll give you the best and the worst. The best thing, he is a great situation coach.

He's a great fundamental coach. he coaches all phases special teams offense defense he's a great game day coach he's a great game plan coach to go ahead and take away what the opponent does best and you know take advantage of that he does all of those things that's what he's good at yeah you know personnel wise hey you can take him or leave him um he did pretty good with some of the veterans uh some of his draft picks you're going to have questions about But as a coach, as a pure coach, he's the best I've ever known. Wow. There we go.

See, we did 12 minutes here on Belichick, who, again, I would have voted for him, but I do think it's interesting to just kind of contextualize all this stuff. Let me ask you one thing about the Super Bowl, because you've been in this thing and you know the weight. I want to focus on Darnold. Listen, he was, he struggled with the jets. He was 20 years old. He didn't have the right coach. It was man overboard.

Are you surprised? Did you think he'd go toe to toe and play his best game? And you are a great. You're one of the coaches. You may be the best ever at this. You are a great personnel coach. You could have just said, I don't need a GM. I'm going to draft.

There's maybe only two or three coaches ever that could do that. So I'm interested in your perspective on Donald. I thought he was too damn talented not to win some games. He was too talented. Did you, or were you shocked by what he did? I agree with you 100%. Coming out of college at the S.C., you know, everybody says, okay, if you can cut his turnovers down,

this guy can be a great, great quarterback. Two things happened for him in Seattle. I think the experience of what he went through with the Jets, with Carolina on and on, that experience, you know, taught him to be more protective with the football. The second thing, he's part of a great team. He's got a great defensive team. He doesn't have to carry that team on his shoulders.

At Carolina, he had to carry that football team. He couldn't do it because he turned it over. Now he knows he's got a great defense. He knows that he can be patient, take his time, take the checkdowns, you know, throw it here. Every now and then, take a shot. you know, down the field. So I think the experience that he had and the team that he's with

and the coaching that he's getting allowed him to be a great player. And, hey, Seattle right now, they look like the favorite in the Super Bowl. Oh, they're good. Hey, I've got to mention the Miami Hurricanes. It's interesting. Oh, boy. They are so close. So Mario Cristobald's reputation forever was great recruiter, but we had sort of labeled him as,

I don't know if I love him as a game coach, situational coach, but man, I like his energy. Man, he can build a program. I watched them this year, and my take on Mario is he grew as a coach. Now, a lot of it is that D-line and that O-line's good, but coaches have a right to grow too, not just Sam Darnold and players. your thoughts on what Mario did because at Oregon the take was he doesn't win big games but he's a hell of a recruiter I don't know I watched them in close games this year I thought he was I thought he really grew as a coach I think he grew as a coach he got a lot better and you're you're right he's a great recruiter

we just signed you know the top quarterback top transfer portal out of Duke here just recently and the receiver and got one of the top pass rushers from Missouri so we've got the players. I think the two things, not only has he gotten better as a head coach, he's got some outstanding assistance. Corey Heatherton, you know, and there as a defensive coordinator, did a great job with that defense. If we'd have had that defense a year ago when we had Cam Ward, and nobody would have come close to us. And the other thing is often Shannon Dawson's an outstanding offensive coach. So he's got some outstanding assistant coaches as well. And, hey, the reason I went into the Hall of Fame, I had great players and I had great assistant coaches.

And so, you've got to, hey, if you're going to win championships, it can't be one individual. There's a lot of people involved in that. Yeah. I mean, Dave Wonstat. You know, if you don't have Wonstat, Uncle Dave. Hey, Dave was important to me. North Turner was important to me. Troy Aymond did a nice little job.

I mean, so if you're going to win a championship, it can't be one individual, you've got to have a team. Great stuff. Coach, as always, it's wonderful seeing you. I love you're fighting for Belichick. You're not sleeping. And I love that support and loyalty. Thanks. All right, Colin.

Good talking with you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, I was taking the train in today, and my takeaway is I could just vent that Belichick should get in. But let's add some context to it. Bill Walsh didn't get in first vote. Shula waited forever. Vince Lombardi didn't get in first vote. Joe Gibbs didn't get in.

And Belichick's winning percentage without Brady is Jerry Glanville had a higher winning percentage. Okay, so my take on this is, yeah, of course I would have vote Bill did. But I'm not, I don't, I would say I've got a lot of faults. I'm not a real grudge holder. I don't give a rip. I mean, people that don't like me, it makes me laugh. It's like, okay, whatever. Yeah, I just don't.

I'm not a grudge holder. I'm not terribly petty. that's just not my personality. Some people, you know, they use that as jet fuel. That's not my thing. So, but I do think when you start looking at, I said this earlier, is that in life, a lot of decisions are made when you're not in the room and Bill alienated a lot of people and, you know, you got to have self-awareness and know, if I want to get into the Hall of Fame,

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Bill Belichick doesn't make the Hall of Fame, all sorts of different opinions today. Jimmy Johnson, this is outrageous. I just saw an article. The Hall of Fame will never recover. I think it will. I think it'll recover just fine. J-Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Her. line news. You know, it's been a great January, Colin. We haven't talked about the Kansas City Chiefs because they missed the playoffs and they were a disaster this season. But guess what?

Andy Reid is kind of excited to leave the struggles behind? Colin, I mean, it was a rough year for the Chiefs, Reed, Mahomes obviously injured, nine straight division titles as toast. Here's Andy Reid. Well, listen, I'm fired up to get in this off season and get going. We didn't do very well this past year. And that's not been our MO there. So I want to fix a problem and let's, let's, uh, um, the problems that we had and,

and, um, in all phases. You know, change can be good sometimes for you. And, and so that's what I'm fired up about. Listen, they have a good draft pick finally. Seriously. I mean, it's, they have a great GM and they have a good draft pick. It's, I think it's very difficult to draft at the bottom of the first round. and I've talked to GMs through the years multiple times.

They're like it's Death Valley. You get down to like 23 and you're basically paying a first round price for a second round guy. And there's always a sense, Jay Mack, the first 16 picks are first round. They're difference makers. And then you go from about pick 17, 18 to the bottom of the second. And you're like, a lot of times those guys will be good, but they're not ready to help you quite yet. yet you drafted them in a space, fans want them to make a contribution, coaches can put pressure on him.

So a great example of that is the chiefs drafted Xavier Worthy, who I think is a great gadget guy. But if you draft the first round receiver, you'd like, well, I want JSN. Well, no, no, no, he's not necessarily at the end of the first round. So I think, you know, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, Rams are getting into this now. When you draft at the bottom of our first round, Rams have a, earlier pick. It's just really hard to, you know, these, it's just tough. Like, they've got a lot of good

players. Chiefs don't have a lot of great players, in my opinion. Yeah, I'm going to reach for my violin here. Oh, Colin, it's so tough to draft at the end of the first round. Yeah, tell that to the Philadelphia Eagles and Howie Roseman, okay? Like, I don't want to hear it. Bottom line is the chiefs don't have a lot of good players. I know the GM has been great. He hasn't been amazing of late. Colin, look at the stats for your boy Mahomes. You want to talk turnovers. You like turnovers. Patrick Mahomes is your guy.

I mean, listen, they couldn't win a one-score game to save their life. I'm sorry. I'm excited that this team is down. And I'm just telling you right now, Colin, I know we have a bunch of new playoff teams every year. I don't think the chiefs are a lot to get to the playoffs as of now. Now, let's see what if that changes with free agency in the draft, but they've got an uphill climb.

Well, I mean, the Chargers will upgrade. Their tackles will be healthy. They'll have another hardball right out of college draft. and they have upgraded significantly many believe it offensive coordinator. The Chargers will be better. We talked about this with Denver. Bow Nix is going to get better with more starts. They've got a young OC everybody loves, and they've got some.

I don't think they have the Russell Wilson cap hit anymore. I think they're out of that, so they got some space. It is now, depending on who the Raiders hire. I mean, between Harbaugh, Andy Reid, and Sean Payton, there's the argument. It's the best coach division in the sport. So I've always said this. When you have dynasties, when LeBron was dominating the East, who was the second best team? Toronto.

So, I mean, part of when Nick Saban was dominating the SEC, Kirby Smart wasn't in Georgia. The minute he got to Georgia and Texas came into the conference, Alabama didn't look and play the same. So I think it's just, it's a really hard division to win 13 games going forward. Yeah, a lot of chatter that the Raiders are targeting Kubiak, the O.C for Seattle, in which case, they'd have to wait until after the Super Bowl. here's my thing. Raiders is still an attractive job because of Mendoza. Would you agree? Wow. Yeah, I mean, I get a really talented quarterback and don't have to pay them big money for five years.

That is attractive. I say Raiders is a better job than Arizona and Cleveland. Yes, yes, absolutely. And yes, absolutely. No question. It's better than that. Better than Cleveland. Absolutely. All right. Let's go to the NBA, Colin. My guy, LeBron James, the greatest basketball player in the history of the sport, obviously is, You know, voicing displeasure about a new rule, talking about how much more difficult the league is now with pace and speed than it was in the 80s and 90s. And he's arguing pretty vociferously. Here we go.

The game is different. Like, I want people to understand and our fans to understand that playing 82 games in the 80s and 90s is not the same as playing 82 games in the 2020s. You know, it's a lot of soft tissue injuries that's happened now because of it. I hope we can get a handle on that as well, you know, because that's big in our game. Okay, but I would push back. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're right. The game's faster. And it's less physical. You shoot more threes. In the 80s and 90s, it was a mid-range game. You had to bump and grind to get your shot. Go look at the pistons and the Lakers and the Knicks. People were

tackling each other. So, yes, the game is slower than much more. physical. By the way, I don't know when it changed, but people were flying commercial. You know, that didn't happen for a while. So, I mean, the travel was tougher. The nutrition wasn't as good. The game was more physical. The pistons and the bulls. These were the Celtics were, I mean, it was like full contact sport. So, yeah, the game is faster and there are some soft tissue injuries. But the game was much more physical then and guys still didn't miss his any games as they're missing. So, yeah, he's right. But also, ask yourself this, Jay Mack, when you're running down the floor and shooting threes and don't have to initiate physicality, like Luca, I went and watched Luca the other night against the Bulls.

He barely gets touched. He shoots threes and waltzes down and doesn't play any defense. So he's not getting banged on very much. When Isaiah Thomas was scoring his points and Michael was scoring his points and Bird was was scoring his points, you're getting clothes line twice a week. I don't. I mean, okay, I like to see some data to back that up. But you were at that Bulls-Lakers game, Colin.

You want to talk about 80s and 90s versus now? You saw when Jackson Hayes, the center, seven-footer, stole the ball at the three-point line, went in, but under the legs dunk, a seven-footer. Yeah. Colin, the athleticism, the skill, these guys are way better than 80s and 90s. Let me ask you this. Yeah. The Showtime Lakers didn't have up-tempo?

Yeah, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was not sprinting up and down the floor like the seven-footers now. I mean, with Doug Mo's Nuggets, the Sons with Nash, those teams weren't up-tempo. People were scoring 125 points without the three-point shot being really part of the culture like it is today. Seven seconds or less with the Sons. I think that was like 2007. I guess the last point here is let's not forget. In the 90s, it was the expansion era. You had the new teams come in, four teams over, I think, the span of seven years, and the talent was diluted.

Go look at some of those Michael Jordan regular season highlights. Okay? He's going against guys that would not sniff the current. NBA. So LeBron is definitely onto something. You know I'm going to ride for my guy LeBron. Even up or down, I'll call it like I see it. And the Lakers, Colin, Austin Reeves is coming back soon. Just as a reminder. I know you're excited. All right, let's go to the final story. And

the kind souls on this staff have wedged the New York Jets into the show because they're my favorite team. But only because an anonymous critic who is a former GM told ESPN that Aaron Glenn with New York has done nothing for the culture and that they played like a bunch of guys punching time clocks. They didn't want to be there. Take it away, big guy. What do you got?

Well, I think the good news is next year is a great quarterback draft class. The Jets will have the first or second pick, which, by the way, means they could move down to six or seven and still get one of the top three or four quarterbacks. So in one year from today, the conversation will be very optimistic and very hopeful for the Jets. It's now that for the Giants who have a good quarterback on a rookie deal and John Harbaugh. And so now today, the Giants discussions are very positive and optimistic and should be. The Jets will be in a year. But he appears to be a coach, and this happens all the time that he is a coordinator, a very good player, a very good position coach,

maybe a really good coordinator. To this point, it doesn't look like he's going to be a great head coach. And he's got an uphill climb. Let's be real. They're not going to be good next year. I'm already anticipating you mocking them when they lose 35-0-0 in the opener. No, they're going to lose a lot of games. You know what?

I'm fine with that because we need a quarterback and no, I don't want to go chase Kyler Murray or Malik Willis. Draft and develop your quarterback. Jets, we're going to be patient, folks. All right. I like positive people. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. I don't think it's the end of the world. Like, the Jets have been bad forever. What's one more year? And next year you're going to have five or six. I mean, I think the Jets are going to end up winning like three games. I mean, max four, they're going to have the first or second pick,

and you're going to have like six quarterbacks next year. Arch Manning is going to be available. And you'll be moving on to a new coach and a new staff. And we saw what New England did with Vrable. You get the right coach. coach with Ben Johnson, Brable. Folks, it doesn't take long. I mean, you're dealing with 25, 28, 30, 31.

You're going to have a ton of cap room. You're going to have a new coach, a new quarterback. They're going to be bad this year. So it's been bad forever. You're a year away from being very, very positive. I mean, the New York Giants have been a mess for a decade. Every giant fan is so fired up for the season. Why?

John Harbaugh is an excellent coach. Jackson Dart is talented enough to be a starter. You know, they've got some really, really nice, elements along the defensive line and its skilled positions, giants are going to be good. Some of this stuff, some of these organizations have to bottom out. Like Pittsburgh Steelers are not comfortable bottoming out. Albert Breer said last hour, they don't want to be terrible.

I don't really get that way of thinking at all, but that's the way Pittsburgh thinks. They want to be viable, and I think if Aaron plays in Mike McCarthy, they will be. They'll win like nine games. They're not going to win a Super Bowl. maybe that and they'll get a mid first round pick and they'll need another quarterback. The story of the day is obviously Bill Belichick not getting in. People are outraged.

I have criticized the media before for something. It's not the end of the world. He's going to get in. People are all worked up. The great thing about politics and sports, it's what people argue about and debate about in bars. Like it's great. He's going to get in. He's obviously a Hall of Famer. I would have voted him in. But when you look that Bill Walsh did not get in first time he was eligible. Vince Lombardi didn't. Joe Gibbs, who won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, didn't get in. Don Schuller, the winning his coach, had to wait five years until he was eligible. You know, they changed the methodology. Now Bill Belichick can get in just, you know, a year or two after he leaves the sport. Okay, that's never been the case.

So I do think some voters are like, wait a minute, all these other coaches waited. Brady's got to wait. and Brady's career defines Belichick's winning. We're going to make them wait a year. And a few guys talk themselves out of it. It should be a yes or no vote. I would have voted him in. But I mean, stuff like this happens. It's one of the great things about sports is today.

You can contextualize it, talk about it. Here's Seth Wickersham on, you know, why he thinks maybe Belichick came up short. That's where things got really tricky. I think that there's some voters who did. didn't vote for him because of Spigate and because of the, you know, the cheating and the rule breaking that happened during that time. And then I think there's a lot of voters who tried to vote for their guys with the assumption that Belichick was going to get in. I think they figured that

it was a fade of complete. And so because of that, it's like this perfect storm of, you know, dysfunction where a guy who has eight Super Bowl rings and is the second winningest coach of all time, greatest coach, at least of the Super Bowl era in the NFL, didn't get in. I think that's what happened. Now, there's a lot of talk about SpyGate, and I think there's, listen, you, the 2007 Super Bowl week, Roger Goodell is sitting there having to answer questions about SpyGate. That ticked him off. It ticked a lot of owners off.

It took a lot of people off. And the NFL, I think it was Seth Wickersham, who told us, had warned Belichick for seven years about the taping. Okay. So, you know, there's a lot of things that go into the process. Take a deep breath. Bill's going to get in. He's an all-time great coach.

It has not ended well. You know, it's not been the greatest ending to a movie. And I'm sure Bill is disappointed. And by the way, that's why you bring Jimmy Johnson on the show to defend it. I think he is, it is interesting, though, that when you take Brady out of his career, he wins 44% of his games. That's Anthony Lynn. Now, now, do we hold him to a higher level? And was he very vital in those early Super Bowls where Brady wasn't fully developed?

Of course. But it just shows you. I mean, I've always said this about Andy Reid and Joe Gibbs and Don Shula. They got the Super Bowls with multiple guys. Parcells won a Super Bowl with Jeff Hostetler and Phil Sims. And he was Belichick's mentor. So it's also interesting how many great coaches Parcells. had issues with Jerry Jones and

Kraft Jimmy had issues with you know Jerry Jones Bill's Belichick had issues with craft you know the pro football the coach has a lot of power you can cut anybody basically anytime you want the one person

they don't have power over is the owner because most coaches when they get to 15, 18 million or whatever they make now and it's been this way a long time whoever's making, if you have a big gap in earnings between coach and GM, McVeigh and Les Sneed, if the gap is significant, the coach has the power. The owner's paying one guy this, the other guy, that. But they don't have power over the owner.

And as owners now are worth billions of dollars, not hundreds of millions, eight, 12, 15, 18 billion dollars, they have gotten, A, much more impulsive, and be much more willing, little vindictive, to just rip up contracts and start over. So the coach has never had power in this league over the owner. Now, sometimes the owners, they hold grudges. It gets personal. And that's what money does to men. You know, there's a lot of people pushing back at Robert Kraft,

and I'm not sure they're wrong on that, but that relationship has deteriorated bad. And the owners are usually going to win because they're the boss of Roger Goodell. That's just the reality of it. You can argue it. You can think it's wrong. I'm not saying it's right. But, you know, the owners run this league.

I mean, when Jerry Jones complained, however long ago, we have to protect our quarterbacks. It's my number one asset. I'm paying my quarterback all this money, and you're letting people take shots of them. Suddenly the rules change. Right? Now you can't touch quarterbacks. Well, who do you think institute? that, not defensive coaches, not defensive

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I want to hear his perspective. We had Seth Wickersham's perspective. We had Albert Breers' perspective. And mine, which is, it is kind of interesting. Mariano Rivera is the only baseball player ever that got 100% of the votes. It wasn't because of sheer production. It was because he was great, and he's like the most gracious, humble guy ever. And I do think Belichick, through the years, ticked off some people, and you don't think it should matter.

But if you know a guy's going to get into the Hall of Fame and it's his first run, I can see some people saying, you know, screw you. You made my life difficult and you didn't have to. That's life, you know. Here's Jimmy, though, saying coaches should be eligible to get into a Hall of Fame before players. Here is his argument. Coaches are a lot older than players, and you'd like to get the coach in before he's dead.

And so, you know, because of the age of coaches, it's not like, you know, and they're going retire when they're 31. They're going to retire when they're 65. And so because of the difference in the age, the coaches really need to go in, you know, really before they get to the point of where they can't enjoy it. You know, it's interesting. When you see somebody that is hardened by it, like Bill Belichick later years, very hardened like he didn't care. But when I watched the documentary and I watched old clips of Belichick on the podium. He was, you know, kind of young and good-looking guy. He was actually occasionally funny with the media. And he turned on them. And what that really proves is, Bill does have a heart. Stuff did bother Bill.

He felt the media was unfair. And he got real cranky and a little bit vindictive. And so, you know, Bill can be framed as this ogre who doesn't care. But the truth is the reason that Bobby night did care. It did bother him. And the crusty curmudgeon guy, he is bothered by. It's like the athlete who puts the chest out, T.O. was always like most alpha, and then he would break down and start crying

at the podium. So with Dennis Rodman, it's all a little bit of a front. Like all these people, and I ask Jimmy Johnson, do you think this bothers Bill? I think it hurts him. Yeah. Yeah, hey, Colin, we're all bothered by. You know, when you work as hard as coaches

work, there proud of what they accomplished. You know, and I'm Bill's proud of what he accomplished at New England. Yeah, he had a great quarterback, but how many Pro Hall of Fame coaches didn't have a great quarterback? I had Troy Aikman.

You know, no had Terry Bradshaw. Walsh had, you know, Joe Montana. You know, all it on. And so, you can't use that excuse. I do think a real big part of this, and I touched on this three hours ago, was they changed the methodology.

They suddenly said coaches don't have to wait to get in. And I do think there are voters who look at that and go, Vince Lombardi had to wait all those years before he was even eligible. Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, they had to wait five years before they were even eligible. Bill gets in immediately long before Brady. That's weird. I think some people,

but Jimmy Johnson talked about the voting process. some of the media might have said well it's a sam dunk that bill's going in so I'm going to vote for so and so to help him get in because I know bills going in and so it could have been the process of picking the Hall of Fame candidates but that's still no excuse you pick the best you know available hey listen I'm a coach calling and you know if a player doesn't go in hey I live with it okay then you'll get a check next year. But I know how great a coach

Bill Belichick is. And for him not to go in, first ballot is wrong. Yeah. And yeah, and that is the overwhelming sentiment today. I do think the Hall of Fame will survive baseball. I mean, it was a 15-year topic on Barry Bonds for any radio host. Fifteen years we argued about and my argument was always, I always argued actually I think that was the opposite of cost of this.

My take was we don't know any of the answers. So I'm going to let all of them in. I'm not going to punish bonds because half the pitchers throwing to them were on steroids. And so unless you have all the answers, let them all in. I think that was my take on it is everybody thought they knew. And then all of a sudden the Mitchell report comes out and there's various reports. Oh, that guy too. I mean, there are people that obviously, you know, their numbers,

wildly spiked, but my take was and batterers got on the juice before the pitchers, but a pitcher's eventually got on the juice too. So my take is if you didn't have all the answers in baseball, you really didn't know everybody that was on it, let them all in. It was Royd guy against Royd guy. It was cream against cream,

the Balco Lab against this lab on the East Coast. You didn't know. Let them all in. Otherwise, you're kind of cherry picking on, you know, The Mitchell report focused on a couple of clubhouses. Well, what about that clubhouse and that clubhouse? The Mitchell report didn't focus on those clubhouses. So, you know, and my take is Bill's going to get in.

Lombardi got in, Gibbs got in, Walsh got in. I think a lot of young people don't under, they underestimate how great Joe Gibbs was, and they underestimate how great Bill Walsh was. People copied Bill Walsh. His coaching tree is legendary. Hell, at one point it felt like half of the league's coaches came from, you were using Walsh's offense or came from his coaching tree. I mean, he had so much influence. I mean, you talk to older coaches now they talk about the late Bill Walsh in utter reverence.

And so whereas Belichick doesn't have much of a coaching tree, but the guys he's close to, the handful of guys he's close to, he is really close to. And Jimmy Johnson is one of those guys. So it is crazy, though, the influence Brady has on Belichick's career. It really is amazing. Belichick without Brady, his team's average 19 points a game. With Brady, it was closer to 2930. He won 77% of his games with Brady, 44, 45% without. And it just goes to show you.

It doesn't matter if it's broadcasting or quarterback play. Brady's impact, I mean, he's just. It's just substantial. And as good as a coach is, that's why I always said Andy Reid's underrated. Andy Reid got to a Super Bowl with Donovan McNabb, who is considered, you know, okay, above average. But, I mean, Andy Reid won with virtually everybody. Well, he didn't win Super Bowl. Well, I mean, Belichick's winning 45% of us.

He had Drew Bledsoe. That's pretty good. Right? He had Cam Newton at the end. I mean, so, you know, this stuff out there is. I think it's a fascinating topic. I once had a Heisman vote. I always thought that was insanely provincial and regional.

The West Coast guy would vote for this guy. The Southern guy would vote for that guy. I thought it was just nonsense. J. Mack, fun show today. Would you have voted him in, J. Mack? Listen, I'm a Jets fan, and I do not like anything, Patriots. Of course you're voting, Belichick. Come on.

It's a no-brainer. It's embarrassing. Listen, I know that you said the Hall of Fame will survive. It's just a bad look for Kraft, Polly, and all these old guys who are, you know, want the spotlight to themselves. It's an ugly look for the league. Yeah. Yeah. So was Spygate, by the way.

Also, true. Yeah. It was not a great look for the league. Seven years, they told him, stop taping. Pure Belichick style. I'll do it on my terms. He was never suspended. Hey, guys, it's us.

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