The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Joel Klatt stops by The Herd, taking a look at Fernando Mendoza

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Fox Sports College Football Analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to tell Colin why Curt Cignetti orchestrated the most impressive coaching performance in the history of sports winning the National Championship at IndianaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here we go. It's our number three. Joel Clatt, five minutes. What a great time to be alive. Harbaugh in L.A., Harbaugh, New York. Ten new NFL coaches. Four already hired. Indiana. Imagine saying this five years ago. I mean, imagine saying this five years ago.

The Indiana Hoosiers, 16-0, beat Miami for the nanny last night. And for the first time, and I can recall watching a title game in college football, to me it felt 50% NFL, and I am absolutely here for it. College football rosters are getting older, wiser. Miami's D-line and O-line. Those are NFL bodies. Miami's got a defensive lineman about to turn 25. Indiana, by design, is a roster filled with mature 22 and 23-year-olds,

both quarterbacks, three-year starters. That's why Indiana plays such mistake-free football. It's an older, smarter roster. What last night allows is more sophisticated defenses. Miami's doing part zone, part man-to-man on the same play. You've got Indiana never fumbles, no errant snaps. They don't throw interceptions. They rarely get penalized.

Defenses, offenses, much more sophisticated. That's why Sunday football, has always been three times to four times higher rated than college football. College football can be regional and provincial and full of mistakes. It's rare that you see a good college program with even decent special teams. But college football has officially grown up and last night felt different. Three-year starters at quarterback. Players getting paid.

Players staying in college longer. That's never a bad thing. And the product on the field to me reflects it. Georgia won a national title in the early 80s and completed one pass. No thank you. Not interested. The SEC, which has now fallen behind the Big Ten, Notre Dame and Miami, has always felt two ground and pound.

Ole Miss is the new way to win. A lot of offense, a lot of movement, some trickery and score points. Last night, three of Indiana's biggest plays came after Kurt Signetti, timeouts, very NFL feeling. Fernando Mendoza on that TD run talked about expecting a zone, seeing man-to-man. It was a little of both. And like Andrew Luck, Elway, Josh Allen, put his head down, got hammered, and scored that touchdown. I don't know.

Indiana, to me, is absolutely great for college football. It's a football-starved Midwest-based alumni, huge alumni. that has always been in the shadow of an Ohio state, a Michigan, a Penn State, a Wisconsin, and Iowa for football. To me, Indiana is a shining beacon of hope. If you get the coach right, you got a couple of well-heeled NIL boosters, you don't need five-star recruits. It'd be nice going forward to have some, but suddenly you look around if you get the coach right with the NIL and transfer portal, and you ask yourself, why? not us. The Indiana football story was not possible pre-Portle. It was not possible pre-N-I-L.

You couldn't have done this. Now, you got to get the coach right. And Kurt Signetti is like Nick Sabin without the charm and a little bit of a sense of humor. He's got neither. He is dead serious. He is all business. And the truth is, Sabin got funnier and more charming after the rebuild was complete at Alabama. This is probably right now for this time what the Hoosiers need. But last night was also what college football needed.

A new story, a new champion, a new way of doing business. That is the greatest script ever written in the history of college football. It was so totally cool and so totally 16 and 0 perfect.

Indiana deserved every part of last night with this coach, the big boosters, they're going absolutely nowhere. Ask yourself, are you the next Indiana? Why not Purdue? Why not Michigan State? Why not Kentucky football? Why not us? Here's the humorless head coach, as brilliant as he is after. It's a great thing, Indiana, winning a national championship two years into our tenure. You do it with people and a plan. Can't say enough about our senior leadership

and the people we have in the locker room and the people we have on our staff. And we're 16 and 0 and I guess we're 27 and 2 since Indiana, but we're 16 and no. 16. National champions at Indiana University, which I know a lot of people thought was never possible. Sabin didn't smile a lot in the first couple years either.

The more they win, the happier they get. But that Joel Clad, the voice of college football for Fox, is joining us live. So I'll ask you the first question I asked Urban. Rapid Bowen. What is your big takeaway on that game last night? Yeah, it's very much in line with what you were just talking about. I mean, we can talk about the game specifically, obviously, and what happened and some of the mistakes that were made from Miami's side,

namely the blocked punt that really cost them the game. Beck may be forcing it in double coverage at the end. But then there's the overarching storyline, Colin, which is this is incredible for college football. You know, in the late teens, we were watching Alabama dominate college football. And listen, I'd love to see people dominate. And watching Nick Saban coach was phenomenal.

But boy, there was an era of inevitability even before the season in early September that we knew it was Clemson and Alabama and maybe Georgia that was going to play for the national title. And now that statement that you just made in that lead up to this interview, why not us? To me, this is the best thing that's happened to college football in a long time. I think that this could be the most consequential national champion in my lifetime watching this sport and loving this sport because of this idea that, listen, we can do this. We are a coach away. We are one transfer portal away.

and everybody wants to lament what's happening through NIL and the freedom of movement that these players have in the transfer portal. And listen, I understand that there needs to be some parameters. I totally understand that. However, what it has led to is a golden era now of college football. The product has never been better and there's never been more parity. And now Indiana is winning a national championship after coming into the season as the program with the most losses in the history of the sport. To me, it's remarkable, it's profound. and only history will look back on this with the size and momentum and scope that it deserves,

because I think right now we're probably too close to it. Yeah, I said it felt 30 to 40 percent NFL, and that's not a bad thing. I always said I love college football, but special teams were a circus, even on good teams, that it was flawed and it was 19-year-olds and 19-year-olds make mistakes. But now kids are like, I really like playing. at Indiana. I like playing. I like playing at Ohio State. I'm going to stay here for one more year. I think the offensive gotten more sophisticated. I think the coaching is better. I mean, Miami's O&D lines look like Sunday lines. Yeah. Is that Joe, I think the game needed a little bit of an NFL vibe.

We needed a playoff. We needed to play the players. The old, the rosters now by design are a little older. I think the quality last night of the play calling, man, half the defense zone the other. Like, I watched that game and I'm like, oh, this is really high-end football. That was my takeaway. You bring up a really good point. And in particular with the older and more experienced players and obviously a quarterback, but more so on defense. And here's what it's done to college football is that it's taken away the really simple offenses that just allow an athletic quarterback. to go run around and make plays, which is what college football was for a while. Let's face it, right?

Because it was just talented young kids that were out there and the most talented kid would win. And now there's more schematics involved and strategy involved and situational football involved. So I think the necessity of having a veteran quarterback is ramped up. And we're starting to see that now year after year. And these defenses become more intricate and they can stop more things. so you have to have answers as an offense. That's what we saw. So think about this.

Miami is killing Indiana with their pass rush. And they were. Bain and Mesaador were fantastic. Those are Sunday players, first round players in particular in Bain's case. And yet, Indiana had answers. They ran the football. What was it? 39 times or over 139.

So they lean into the run game. They get Mendoza out of the pocket. They start throwing it short. And then in crunch time, what do they do? They go to matchups. That's what's NFL. They say, hey, Charlie Becker has got the matchup that we like, and we're going to go to him on the back shoulder on fourth down, on third down, and then Mendoza runs the quarterback draw. That's what felt NFL to me is the matchup-oriented situational calls that we got from offensive coordinator Mike Shanahan and Indiana.

Going to Charlie Becker in those big moments, you know, that's what we see in the NFL playoffs. It's about players and not plays, and that's what ultimately won the game for Indiana. You know, people can talk about Big Ten against the SEC, and they've won three straight natties. If I was an SEC fan, here's what worries me, Miami and Notre Dame. Because you look at the ACC and you're like, well, those got, oh, no, no. Maybe the two best recruiting head coach is now out there. Big checkbooks, in Miami's case, hyper aggressive with the portal in the NIL. Christopher also has

I mean in Oregon he built good teams he didn't have Daden-Broward County in the state of Oregon I look at Miami Joel I mean that they are absolutely the second best team in the country after Indiana I'd argue in the second half they were almost a better

team if not for a block punt I think Miami in Notre Dame and maybe Miami specifically why I'm sorry but Christobal recruiting that county that NIL checkbook I think Miami is back with a vengeance, I wouldn't be shocked if they bought Duke's quarterback and we're back here next

year. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, that's the rumors that Minza, Duke's quarterback is going to go down to Miami. Now, listen, they do have to replace a lot. They're probably going to have to replace four offensive linemen. And that was a trenches led team. They're likely going to have to replace a bunch of their defense, including down the middle with their linebackers and some of those guys up front. But they're still going to have Malachi Tony. They can still get a, I would say, a veteran quality quarterback so they will be good because of the way that they've built their roster year over year. There's no doubt. And Mario Cristobal, I think, proved a lot of people wrong, including myself. I didn't know if Mario Cristobal could win big games in November, much less the playoff.

And they proved that they could do that. And so that's a huge feather in their cap. You're absolutely right about Notre Dame and they're reloading with a great young quarterback that will now be a veteran in C.J. Carr, and they've got two wide receivers back. They went out got Quincy Porter out of the portal from Ohio State, who was a five-star wide receiver. Notre Dame should be very good. And here's what I'm about to record and we'll be coming out later this week on the Joel Clashow, my way too early top 10 for next year. And it's very difficult to get even three SEC teams in that top 10.

I was just doing that. Listen to this, Joel. I'll give it to you here. So I said next year, because Miami's going to. reload. They're going to go buy an offensive line. That's what they're going to do. I look at Miami Notre Dame's two, Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana, three, two cupcakes automatic. Texas Tech's going to buy teams. Sorry. I'm at eight. I'm not counting USC Michigan, which could get in. Clemson will be feisty. I mean, everybody says, oh, well, Texas,

I'll give you a $40 million roster. Joel, I look at eight teams. I would be shocked if they didn't get in before I get to the SEC. Well, yeah, I mean, listen, so you basically have one spot left. Let's say we would include Texas, and I will include Texas. Absolutely. Then you get down to this conversation about kind of the last spot and a potential top 10 going into the next year, and you've got teams like LSU, USC, A&M, BYU, who is bringing back a lot. Michigan, Oklahoma.

And here's the best part about it. is that any one of those teams might turn out to be the best team. You know, I don't think we're going to have a runaway number one team, although Oregon looks like a team that could potentially wind up number one in the preseason, in particular with Dante Moore back. Again, we go back to the veteran presence at quarterback. You bring him and all of his starts back and some of that talent. College football is in such a good spot, man.

And I'm telling you, like I said, I'm going to go back to this again. I think last night was the most consequential national champion in my life. years old. I cannot remember a time in college football where we needed this more than what we have right now because every fan base in America can wake up this morning and say, well, heck, why can't we do that? You know, we're seeing it with tech. And Oregon invests, LSU is investing, Ole Misses is investing, Notre Dame is investing, Clemsons. Everybody is investing and they can all play at the top end. And that's how you get a championship game that that is that high level between two teams that ultimately at the beginning of the year,

we didn't expect to be there. All right, Clay, you got a lot of stuff to do. You're very, very busy guy, your pod smoking and all that stuff. And you know what? It's nice. You know, I know you don't like this. Let me ask you real quick. I know you probably need to go.

Just really quickly. All right. Best coaching job you've ever seen? I think, I think Kurt Signetti, what he's done is the single greatest coaching job I've ever seen any sport. I thought Brad Stevens at Butler had he won the title. I was like, how is Butler playing for a title? That's a good one. That's a really good one.

And by the way, brilliant guy now coach and now GM, I would say Brad Stevens at Butler is like, this doesn't make any sense. But that was also kind of a time when college basketball was one and done so the rosters weren't stacked. You didn't get old rosters. And also in basketball, you need one great player. You know, it's not like you're building, you know,

football, Indiana was great across the board. There wasn't a weakness on that team and ultimately won them a national championship. I'm not disagreeing. I think that's a, Stevens is a great call there. You know, you think of, I thought of like Herb Brooks, but that's one tournament with the miracle on ice. You know, I can't think of, certainly in college football, there's probably, you know, Nick Saban's the greatest coach of all time. But as far as a single performance and a couple of years, this is, there's no rival to what Signetti is doing and has done. You know, I've said this, three years. I grew up with college football, so I've always loved it. We both love it. But there was always two or three flaws to college football. The ending.

And I always felt like our bosses and other big broadcast executives are always like, if we could just get the ending to be a playoff, okay, we'll put a couple of, you know, a couple of cupcakes in so we don't get sued, but let's have a play. So they've solved the playoff thing. And the other thing was it always felt a little regional to me. It's not regional. I got flashy Miami. I got basketball school, Indiana. I got a billionaire at Texas Tech.

I got an academic power in Notre Dame. I've got two great conferences. To me, it's like, okay, this is like the NFL. I can get a small market Green Bay. I can get L.A. You know, it's like this is the way football should be. You just don't. You said it earlier.

It used to be in the preseason. You could look at the street and street. depth charts and you were like, well, BAM is in for sure and so is LSU. You can't do that anymore. No, you really can't. And that's why this is, I think we're entering what is going to be a real golden age of the sport. I think we're entering what will likely be considered and history will look back on as the best period of college football ever.

Hey, I want to show you, I want to ask you, can we roll the Fernando Mendoza run for a touchdown? Oh, how good was that? No, remember, Colin, I grew up in Denver. this reminded me of Super Bowl 32 as John Elway is running and then helicoptering around inside the 10-yard line against Green Bay. Like that's what it reminded me of. This effort was incredible. And did it also not remind you a little of Andrew Luck? Sure. Who, by the way, has said publicly, I don't feel like the game starts until I get popped. Mendoza similarly this year, he doesn't have like a mean streak in him, but he does get a little, you know, like when

the lip is bleeding against Ohio State, against Miami. Now, he's not Andrew Luck as a prospect. I'm not saying he's Elway or Andrew Luck. But there are qualities, the humility, the toughness, you know, obviously great parenting, an amazing story. There are some things about Mendoza where I'm like, man, there's a little luck in Elway. He's not that. By the way, we have a shot of his bruised arm last night.

I haven't seen this. So good. If you haven't seen, oh, my Lord. So good. You know, there are two types of quarterbacks. That's great. And there are quarterbacks that rise to the occasion when their best is needed. And there are guys that shrink.

And Mendoza rose to the occasion. When his best was needed, he was at his best. That's why he won the Heisman, and that's why he's a national champ. Joel Clack, good seeing you, buddy. You as well. Have a good day, bud. All right. Yeah, I mean, listen, Indiana, I'll say it again, credit to Miami, Indiana needed a block punt for a touchdown and multiple great heroic fourth down conversions

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joined us in the second hour. All sorts of stuff. So we, Salah takes the Titans job. Depends on his OC, but I thought he earned that job. I thought he was the best defensive coordinator with the least roster assistance due to injuries to Fred Warner and Bosa.

So Halfley in Miami feels a little bit like the opposite of Mike McDaniel. He's been a head coach, defensive side, zero flash. Stefansky, I think that's just what Atlanta needs with all their offensive skill. We've got a pro bowler on the O line, a star at running back, talent at tight end and wide receiver, loves tofansky. Harbaugh was the best guy in the market. Again, I think Sala works. You know, Brian Flores, I think deserves a job.

The Minnesota defensive coordinator, I think he's sensational. You know, Brian Day Bowl at Buffalo, he's got history there. I think that's a smart choice. Jesse Mentor, does he go back to Baltimore? That's an interesting choice. I think we have some really good candidates. You know, the Belichick to Buffalo suggestion that Nick Wright had earlier is certainly interesting. But my issue is Brandon Bean has not aced the draft.

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You know, I think Bill Belichick could go to Philadelphia where Howie Roseman's great in the draft. You know, that's where Belichick makes sense to me. I don't want Bill touching personnel. He hasn't shown at the college or pro level. That is his strength. Knows the game, can build a culture, smart guy, but I'm going to look at your resume. Patriots last seven years and draft very well. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Interesting situation developing in Philadelphia right now, Colin. The Eagles are hot for Mike McDaniel. They would love him to be their OC. Here's the problem. they can't convince him to come up for an interview right now.

That is not great news. McDaniel, of course, has interviewed for some head coaching jobs. There is a report he would really prefer Tampa. But, Colin, this is not great. And the problem is their other big target in Philly was Brian Daibble. That was, of course, before the bill's job opened up. So Eagles had high hopes, and if they don't get their top two guys. And we know that Jalen Hurts has dealt with, I believe, 5 O's season, six seasons,

I don't know that this is going to go well for Philadelphia. I'll be honest with you. This sounds crazy. But going to Tennessee with Cam Ward on a rookie deal and Robert Sala and getting like a four-year contract as OC is very attractive. Philadelphia's got a great roster. There's drama around Jalen Hertz. There's drama around AJ Brown.

If you have a bad Sunday, you get eaten alive on WIP Radio. It is a pressure cooker. And the Eagles have a history of, we don't like that performance. You're out of here. So like Philadelphia, the downside to Philadelphia, and there's not many, it is a pressure cooker job to be a coordinator. Forget the head coach. Remember that piece of NFL films with Bill Parcells is talking to a young Andy Reed?

And he's like, you know, you did take the toughest place to coach in the NFL. Even worse than New York. It's a pressure cooker. So, I mean, it's, I mean, the buzzer. Austin media, they're Boy Scouts compared to Philadelphia. So I think that if I can get a four-year job, warm weather, down with Sala, and, you know, that's a college football market as much as a pro market. That's very attractive to me. Interesting.

So I wonder, do you think it's within reason that Mike McDaniel would say, well, what's the game plan with A.J. Brown? What are you guys doing there? Because he is a game breaker for them. You need a stud wide receiver in this league. Devonte Smith's great. He's good, but you don't put him in the same class as A.J. Brown, do you? Listen, AJ comes with, it's like D.K. Matcalf. Yeah, he's great.

It comes with stuff. Well, A.J. Brown's been to two Super Bowls, okay? He's really top receiver. But what happens if you take the job? You're excited. Oh, I can do this, that, and the other. And then they trade A.J. Brown in a month. Well, if you're going to Philadelphia, you can't worry about who's going to be there because

Howie Roseman makes more deals than anybody. He makes deals in-season at us. season trade deadline. Uncertainty, not a sexy, appealing aspect of the job, that's for sure. And like you said, you mentioned Brown, Hertz. What about Siriani? I mean, for all we know, Siriani's fired by Halloween if things go sideways. You love the Giants.

Washington's coming back. Dallas sounds like they're going to keep pickings in that offense, and they were plucky this year. I don't, I just, there's a lot of uncertainty. And, Colin, we've both bounced around for jobs around the country. Like, I don't know. You want to go into something like this? I don't know that this is a great job. which sounds insane.

It is the biggest pressure cooker in the league, not just for head coach, but for coordinating. Yeah. All right, speaking of OCs, let's go to Kansas City, where quietly Matt Nagy, no longer the O.C. They just kind of moved off of them.

What's that all about? And you know who they're talking about bringing back? Eric B. Enemy. Yes, Eric B. Enemy seems to be the leading candidate. Now, some people, not going to name any names, we'll say, hey, B. Enemy was with my homes. They were amazing early. It's been well documented.

B. Enemy was not calling plays in Kansas City. That was Andy Reed. Okay? So we don't know how much Bianemy did. Then he left the hen or the rooster or the cage or whatever you want to call it. And how do he do outside? Terrible. Now he's coming back.

I don't love this for Kansas City, Colin, but your thoughts on BNamey potentially returning to Kansas City. Well, I defended Matt Nagy. Matt Nagy made the playoffs in Chicago with Mitch Trubisky and Aaron Rogers and Matt Stafford and Kirk Cousins were all in the division in their primes. And he made it twice. I think Matt Nagy's more than capable. I'm sorry.

I mean, so whoever gets Matt Nagy, you got a good coordinator. But that's the weird part. That's one of the Andy Reed's guys, right? Well, Matt Nagy. And they're just letting him go? Well, Matt Nagy may have been, Andy, thank you. I got fired. Thanks for being a life preserver.

But I actually want some real responsibility. I want to call the plays. I mean, by the way, if I'm not... Eagles hire him, I'm done. Eagles hire him, I'm done with the Eagles. And they're like fifth on my teams to root for list. I don't want Nagy in one second as a coordinator. To do what?

To be my coordinator. Oh, my gosh. Quarterbacks coach, maybe? Offensive analyst or something. Come on to the playoffs with Mitch Tribisky. Hey, buddy, that was like six years ago. What have you done for me lately? Oh, please.

Six years ago. Yeah, maybe it was five years ago, whatever it was. Anyways, let's move on. Final story, this stinks in the NBA. Boy, the injuries are mounting, and Jimmy Butler last night went down, Colin, with an ACL injury. His season is over. He landed awkwardly after catching a pass, instantly grabbed his knee, could not walk off on his own. Look at that. He's in agony. Jimmy Buckett's one of my favorite players in the league.

Love this guy. This is just terrible. And Colin, I don't know what you say about the Warriors, man. I have a couple hot takes on how to fix them. It's over. It's definitely over. Over. So what are we doing here?

I agree. After you won the title, like, I know people are wedded to this curry, Draymond stuff, but like, come on, it's over.

One of the mantras of my career, fall in love with your kids, not your, not your small forwards. Don't fall in love with athletes. Fall in love with your family. This whole thing about Steph and Dremon and we can't move and we got,

you're falling in love with players. You, I mean, obviously you can't move Wembe for the next five years or Cooper Flagg. No, you don't want to move those guys. But I think this is the danger of, you know, building around a star, falling in love with a player, now you're trapped.

And now with Butler hurt, you're not a playoff team. I don't think they're a play-in team, do you? No, God no. They're going to get passed by somebody. So we have a chart here. This is next season's warriors, Colin. look at the ages of this core. It is, oh, my, if I'm a Warriors fan, it's over.

You guys had a great decade run. Look at this. Curry 37, Butler 36, and you know an ACL for a guy 35, 36 years old, he's not going to be back next year until at least, what, January? Dremont Green is old and he's not good anymore. Cominga and Kerr are beefing. I mean, Kerr's got to basically reach out the olive branch. Hey, I know you want to get traded, but we need you.

Wine age as well. NBA rosters do not. It's a young, fast, 3-and-D spacing league. Warriors are small, not athletic, old, and now missing their second best player. So this is where it gets interesting. So you remember the Lakers with Kobe Bryant decided we don't want to trade Kobe. We want him to be a Laker forever. We'll deal with the 30 wins, the 25 wins.

They held on to Kobe, didn't do anything in the playoffs. And they were in the wilderness for like five years, Colin, until LeBron saved them. They were drafting high, remember, and none of it worked out. Brandon Ingram, D. Angelo Russell. The Golden State Warriors are headed to that unless they say, hey, Steph, you know, we're not going anywhere. Do you want to go play somewhere else? We'll trade you there. Do you think there's any world where Curry's like, yeah, I want to go play for a contender?

Do you think that's on the table at all? No, I don't. Oh, geez. I don't. No. Should it be? Yeah, I mean, I... Do you want to win 30 games every year if you're Steph Curry for the final three years of your career?

No, I wouldn't. Okay, so why don't you say, sure, guys, trade me to the east. I'll go to Charlotte. Rebuild around the mellow ball or something. Charlotte's not my choice. Well, it might be Steph Curry's choice. His dad played there, the retiring his number, played college there. Somewhere with good golf courses.

Maybe it's a church. Charlotte's got good golf. They got a good nucleus. I'm just saying, I think Curry should consider being like, guys, just trade me and you can rebuild. I don't want to be around for that. Do you? I would ask for it. I mean, again, since the title, he's been a good soldier, he's been loyal.

I just, it's over. Like, it's done. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News. Isn't it interesting that none of the 15 highest-bayed quarterbacks are left? I think that's, we looked it up.

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Friday night, 8 Eastern on Fox. I was saying he's not Andrew Luck or a John Elway as a prospect, but there are similarities between Andrew Luck and Fernando Mendoza. That touchdown run, it looked like luck and Elway. So, I mean, if you look at their final years, and again, at Stanford and Indiana, they're playing with a lot more three-star guys than four-and-five-star guys. They both had a great coach, Harbon Signetti, that trusted them implicitly.

Sorry to the radio audience, but there's a lot of similarities here. Big, strong kids, light contact, really tough. Here was the coach and the quarterback after last night's win. Fernando, I know he's great in interviews and comes off as the All-American guy, but he has the heart of a line when it comes to competition. I mean, that guy competes like a warrior. all season. Sometimes I've had these cookie cutter responses,

immediate train responses where it's been like, oh, onto the next game, onto the next play, and now we did it. We did it. So at that point, I think it was only fitting to kind of open the floodgates per se. Probably break my stereotype. So J-Mack apparently has some pictures.

Signetti is a fairly humorless guy, and that's probably what Indiana needed now. I mean, they've had very funny coaches, my friend Jerry DeNardo, who I've been seeing the last couple days, Jerry was great. I remember when he took a Hoosier team to Oregon and beat Oregon. Lee Corso, the legend.

I mean, they've had some colorful characters. And Signetti's kind of a, you know, he's a Sabin disciple, very intense. Even the smiles seem strained, fairly humorless. But we have the pictures of him last night. Yes, yes. So obviously the emotional spectrum for Signetti last night was incredible. So our staff put together screaming Signetti. Here he is barking on the sideline.

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You get a lot of this. He's really intent. Does a lot of that to the officials as well. Yeah. Yeah. This one, psychotic signet. Signetti taking the glasses off there. Then we've got sweet.

Pete Signetti kind of looks like your neighbor who's super nice but intense. That's usually him with about seven, six minutes to go blowing out a team. Didn't do a lot of that last night. No, no, definitely not. Next up, you've got stupefied Signetti. Do we go for it on fourth down or not? It was just dumbfounded. Also, he was, and I agreed with him.

If you go look at Mendoza, one of the first series, Helmet to Helmet by Miami, no call. Like there were a couple of calls. That one was just outrageous. They were letting him play. Next up. You got sassy Signetti. The guy does it all.

Finally, stars and stripes, Signetti, as you saw there at the game. And finally, simply, signati. Yes, with the national championship. I think it has to go down as certainly the most unlikely. First of all, 16 and 0 is, you go back to 1850 something with Yale. And then this is another way the college football has become the NFL. Payers getting played. The transfer portal is mostly free agency.

Players are getting older. We have a college football playoff. The regular season's important, but not that important. And the other thing is you're playing 15 and 16 games. And so you have to build a roster. You can't just be, you know, all offense. Indiana didn't have a star-studded defense, but it was a really, really exceptional defense.

And that's why I give Miami a lot of credit. In the second half, Miami had almost 300 yards. That's a lot against Indiana. Ohio State could not move the chains. Ohio State, Miami did in the second half. So, you know, I think it's, I guess not all new things are great. But in college, the two sports that have been on about a three-year run, think about this. Baseball was on a 10 to 15-year downturn.

ratings and attendance. Baseball. Takeaway defensive shift. Pitch clock. Extra innings start a guy at second base. Make the bases bigger. Everything worked in baseball. The changes.

I watch more baseball now over the last two years than I did for 20. College football. Pam, Portal, playoff, two sports that rolled the dice, ticked off traditionalists, are on an absolute heater college football and baseball the sport nine and i was i was you know here here's mark cuban by the way after the natty just talking this last time about you know

n i l money in the life it was like we have to stick to who we are every every team whether it's pro or now college is pro has to have an identity you have to understand how you want people to fit in you have to understand how you use economics and i think what's really said i use a hard is we're not like, okay, let's raise as much money as we can to pay everybody more. It's more about how do we structure, how do we build a culture, how do we, you know, set roles so that when guys come in, they're happy. And that obviously was pregame, not post game. Yeah, and I think the danger is for Indiana, and I don't think they're too smart to do this, right?

There's a lot of money at Indiana. They've been football star forever. It's just let's go get five star guys. that's not what it is. USC tried to do that in the portal. LSU, Brian Kelly, tried to do it in the portal, and I think it's lazy.

I think Brian Kelly wanted to golf more than he wanted to recruit, and they went too heavy in the portal. I think you have to, I mean, there are certain positions. Quarterback, go to the portal. If you get a world-class Sunday first-round edge rusher, go to the portal. There are very few great quarterbacks

and edge rushers dominant defensive linemen. You know, listen, if you can go get, if you can go steal a left tackle from Ohio State or Michigan, go get it. But the bottom line here is there are very few positions, even in the NFL. You've got to check certain boxes in the NFL. You need a weapon, a left tackle, a pass rusher, a quarterback, and hopefully a good coach. You don't have to have a great linebacking core, great safety core. I mean, the Rams special teams and corners are not very good, and they could be the best team in football.

So here's Urban Meyer earlier on the new age of college football. college football arguably has never been better for a lot of the reasons you just said kids are grad i mean how about this dad i want to say it's an 80% jumping kids graduates playing college football so they are graduating it's it's it's a phenomenal story and you're seeing you know who's gonna watch for oregon next year they're going to follow the same template that the wolverings did Ohio state did and now indiana did where you're having grown ass men and you got you got grown men in that locker room instead of the eight year you're counting on you used to count i used to count on 17 18 19 year olds these are 24 year olds yeah and i think the the benefit is you the fans that game last night

felt a little like a pro football game and so we've added panham portal playoff and maturity of rosters so i i just i couldn't tell the last time i watched the national championship that i enjoyed more you had everything star quarterback underdog my Miami's O&D line Sunday bodies, a block kick. Miami kind of physically starting to push Indiana around, the bloody lip from Mendoza. You had really fascinating fourth down conversions by Indiana in the second half. That game had everything.

And again, it felt a little NFL to me. I loved it. And, you know, Indiana may not win another national championship. Okay. They're going to be good. And I'll say this. I mean, Indiana is not going to become Georgia or Texas with recruiting. A big part of this national championship is Mendoza.

That game last night, they won because of Mendoza. The Penn State game on the road, they won because of Mendoza. The Oregon game, especially at Outson, they win because of Mendoza. Mendoza is special. They're not going to become a four-and-five-star program. They'll get more four-star guys. and Indiana's got a lot of smart people in that program, but they're going to lose one of their coordinators, maybe both.

It's still kind of a rural, small Midwest town from a state that doesn't have a lot of great high school football players. There's still a big advantage being Texas and Florida and Georgia and Miami and having 30 players in your backyard that are Division I athletes. So this may just be a magical season, but my guess is Indiana will be a very consistent playoff team. I think Ohio State will, Notre Dame will, Miami will, Texas Tech, money will, Texas will. You know, everybody's got Lane Kiffin peeling off multiple national championships.

I don't. I mean, they got out recruited in the 2026 class by Miami, and there are a lot of players in Daden Broward County. And Christopal may be the best recruiter in the country. So, so much good stuff. Urban Meyer, Nick Wright, Joel Klatte, all crushed the three on the Tuesday. Tomorrow we should have a lot. We'll probably have three or four more head coaches hired. I would guess tomorrow.

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