The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Lamar Jackson and the draft

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

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Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. hour number three live in Los Angeles it's the hurt wherever you may be however you may be listening Joel clatt's going to drop by in 15 minutes the clattster he's watching a lot of this college stuff I don't know I think that SEC guy Bryce Young is who I'd take I think I've come I made my decision in my head it's a lot of information in there a lot of gold going with Bryce Young is my number one See, the mock drafts are weird.

So when everybody does a mock draft, like Mel Kuyper does a mock draft, a lot of people, Joe Clatnism, it is if they're predicting what teams are going to pick. It's not their picks. That's why I don't do mock drafts. I can tell you who I would take, but I'm functional. Half these teams are not functional. So they make weird picks and goofy picks that I would never make. So what's the point?

If you want me to do a mock draft, I'm going to tell you who I would take, that's more fun. And then five years later we can look at it and see if my pick stunk or was good. We don't know if the earth is going to be around in five years. No kidding. I mean, goodness gracious. But I would agree with you. You said half these teams don't know what they're doing. They're not functional.

I mean, half the league has a shot at Lamar Jackson, and they aren't even kicking the tires to see, boy, can we move some stuff around to kind of upgrade at quarterback? Like, I was just talking with somebody here. If you're Seattle Seahawks, you've got a lot of good young players, rookie deals. You can't move off Gino Smith in a heartbeat and bring in Lamar Jackson into the NFC. Seattle instantly would be one of the top two teams probably in the NFC.

You can't, you're not trying to get Lomar Jackson. And they have two first and two seconds. Like, what are teams doing? I just don't know what these guys are doing, Colin. It's almost like people are afraid to try something because then you could lose your job. If you try nothing and let's just keep status quo, we'll bring Gino back.

If Lamar didn't have injuries, I think he'd be, there'd be a bidding war. But we said this before. There are every great take Mahomes out. Everybody else has a flaw. Like Josh Allen, decision making, it's been coached out of him. Now he's kind of regressing to kind of bad decision making. Runs a little too much, takes too many hits.

Joe Burrell, major injury. I'd be concerned about keeping him on his feet. Herbert hasn't won enough. Don't blame him. Trevor Lawrence, I love. So you can name like five or six quarterbacks or teams are set. And now you've got like 24 teams,

25 teams around the league that are like, what are we doing a quarterback? But Lamar's problem is, yeah, he's not available very much lately. Well, it's something, as good as you are. He missed a couple of games each of the last two seasons. He has missed 10 of his last 22 games. That's 40%. That's not.

missing a couple games. But again, I'm looking at one of them. He was sacked like on a scramble. It's not like he's running in the open field like a gazelle and getting drilled. You get hurt or you get, don't get hurt. I don't care how. That's like saying, I shouldn't have got a speeding ticket. You did. It's your third. What do you want me to do? Insurance companies don't want to hear. Well, you know, it was really, it was, the guy, the cop was just in a bad mood. That's your third ticket in six months. Your insurance going up. They don't care how you got the ticket. nobody cares how the injury happened. He gets injured.

So it's something. And I like him. So he gets injured. But you, Colin, are of the Seattle Seahawks. You've taken a guy who's been injured twice? I'm not. He's one good year in a decade. Eight years in the league, whatever it is.

Gino Smith, one good year. Lamar, he's been hurt twice the last two seasons. The two seasons before that, when he was running a lot, no injuries. That's a no-brainer. I don't know if it's a no-brainer. I think, you mean, Gino was good enough to get into the playoffs. Now we get a bunch of draft picks. Down year? Down year in the NFC, we would agree.

Well, it's going to be a down year this year. To me, if I was an NFC team, I would be more aggressive than an AFC team because the NFC is so much weaker. Atlanta, to me, wanted Deshawn Watson, but you don't want Lamar. They're not drafted a quarterback this year. So my theory is Desmond Ritter is not going to win at the highest level in this league, is they're going to roll with it, Arthur Blank, roll with it and try to get one of the two great A++ prospects next year. That's not, I get that. I really do think with Lamar its injuries, with Aaron its attitude, with Lamar its injuries, with Dak, he's an average thrower.

With Kirk Cousins, he shrinks in big games. Like everybody's got something. But again, those quarterbacks, most quarterbacks, aren't. demanding, fully guaranteed. Okay. Last note, San Francisco 49ers, kicked the tires on Ben Rothesberger. Rothersberger said they called him.

There's a lot of chatter. Oh, they were looking at Brady. They're looking at Brady. You think the 49ers, a smart, forward-thinking organization are even wondering, boy, if we could move heaven and earth, contracts, do we go for Lamar Jackson? No, here's why. So who were their three best offensive players?

Christian McCaffrey, Debo, Samuel, George Kittle. all have a history of injuries. Now I'm bringing a quarterback with a history of injuries. And it doesn't work that way. Because Debo gets banged up, Christian does, and Kittle does. One of those guys is very easily replaceable. Who? It ain't Kittle or Debo.

I think you plug in running backs around the league. Christian McCaffrey's great. I get that. But you were just telling me Austin Eckler with the charges. You're not paying. You're paying them a lot and you're locked in for a year. You know what? You go to your team of Capologists, just like how we got a great team here at the herd.

You go to your team, find some good stuff for me. Go to my cap guys, figure it out. Can we get Lamar Jackson? Because, man, it's nice to have Brock Brady game-managing. I don't think Lamar's game is built for that offense. For Kyle Shanahan, who's one of the best offensive minds that the NFL's had in the last decade? I don't think it is.

I don't know. And I also think, I mean, they drafted Tray. They've got Purdy. They brought in Darnold. They got three guys there already. Are you going to bring in another one? Like, that's not going to happen. Fair enough.

Washington's another one that makes no sense. You've literally seen Lamar's popularity explode. The Ravens have been winning. You've been losing. You're in a weaker conference. You've got Howell, the kid out of, you know, Sam Howell, who looks like a backup. Well, we don't know. He's through eight passes.

But so the Niners, let's just go through those guys. It's not happening. That's not happening. Sam Darnold, third team. It's not happening. Trey Lance, no vote of confidence? Okay. I'm not saying they should.

I'm just saying a responsible organization. is looking at ways can we make it happen financially to bring in one of the 10 best quarterbacks in the league and will it fit with this roster? I think you've got to do that, right? Or you could bring in Brady for a nickel at the trade down liner. Well, I'm just saying that. Lamar's going to be expensive and they got too many guys on that offense that fall apart anyway.

So I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah, I mean, the media predictably is criticizing the franchise, but Baltimore, in Tom Brady and Peyton Manning's era when they were the best quarterbacks in the world, Baltimore in the same conference was 15 and 8 and won two Super Bowls. They win with Dilfer. They won with Elvis Gerbaugh. They went with Flackle. They went with Lamar.

Their whole thing is, we like you. And we'll give you a franchise deal and guarantee a year. And my guess is Baltimore would probably give you two years guaranteed. Because of your injuries, we're not guaranteeing three, four, and five. We're not going to. I mean, obviously, a franchise tag is already a guarantee. And last year's 50-year option, I believe. So remember, Baltimore's contract last year they gave Lamar was guaranteed.

The franchise is guaranteed. So they're giving them two guaranteed years. What they're saying is if you sign a contract, we've already given you one. We'd offer another. Maybe one more. We're not giving you a guaranteed third, fourth, fifth year with your injuries. It's fair. Maybe Lamar needs to look in the mirror and say, you know what?

But let's, you don't want to give me the third year fine. Give me two guaranteed and you have to, you know, agree in the contract. You will not franchise tag me after three years. After three years, I'm able to hit the market. Two fully guaranteed, third year, whatever, partial, whatever, whatever you want. But I don't want you to have the ability to franchise tag me. You got to give me something if you're not giving me the third year fully guaranteed. You got to find a middle ground in negotiation, right?

That's fine. But it just should be noted. This year, Lamar's contract was guaranteed and he got hurt. and next year they've offered a franchise. That would be guaranteed. And now he's in a bad mood. Well, they give him the cheap franchise for 32 minutes. I never understand fans who root for guaranteed contracts.

That's why baseball and basketball are screwed up. You sign a player in baseball for nine years, and four years in, he peaks, and you're stuck for five years. The 10-year deals of baseball are dumb. Well, in the NBA, you're paying moderate players guaranteed four or five years, and two years in they'd, They don't want to play. So in the battle between who wants to get paid, do you want to help the millionaires get paid?

Or do you want to help the billionaires protect themselves? I don't have financial envy. I don't care who gets paid. I root for everybody to get paid. The salary cap is the salary cap. What I'm saying is, though, the history of the NFL is they are better run than baseball. Teams don't get trapped in the NFL. They do in baseball.

They do. By the way, hockey is very well run. Teams don't get trapped as often, I believe, in hockey. They don't in football. As a fan, you do not want your team to get trapped. You want to be viable, flexible. You can move off players who stink. In baseball and in the NBA, you get trapped all the time with the guys like, I mean,

Kauai Leonard is difficult. He'll walk in at 345 and say, Ty, I don't want to play today. Well, the clippers are the Browns. They're desperate. They had to go after Kauai Leonard. Give him whatever he wants. He can have access to the private jet. Whatever you want, Kawhi, we're desperate.

We've never made the NBA finals. We haven't had any good franchise luck. Kauai, whatever you want, come on in. That's what the Browns did for Watson. Desperate times, desperate measures. Baltimore's never desperate. They're not desperate. But someone else besides Cleveland has to be desperate enough to make a move on Lamar Jackson.

Indy feels a little desperate, a little, because they're only going to get at best if they move up the third best quarterback in this class. At best. Arizona could take one. They won't, but they could. Or somebody could leap Indy and get into the third spot. So, you know, that's what I worry about. If I'm Charlotte, I'm getting who I want.

If I'm Houston, I'm getting the second best. Indy right now, minimum, because Seattle could leap them. Minimum, the Colts are getting the fourth best, third best quarterback in this draft. Maybe the fourth if Seattle leaps over them or somebody leaps over them. It's not a great quarterback class. I'm getting number four. That's when I'd go get Lamar. I would agree with that.

Now, let me just one other thing on Ursay and the Colts and their new coach. The way you just laid it out, the Colts are going to be bad next year, right? Well, it won't be great. They could be with the large team? In that discussion. Do you think Ursae would be cool, hey, you know, we want two games, we have the number one pick? Do you think he's going to have the patience with a brand new coach who wins two games or three games? Yeah, Ersei is impulsive, but he's not going to fire a coach.

Okay. I mean, if Shane Syke is comfortable with that, don't trade for Lamar. Win two or three games. I get Caleb Williams. I know that you can't sell that. There are teams that we know are going to be fairly weak. Atlanta's not going to be great. I need to see the rosters by side by side, but NFC teams, the NFC's not very good.

The AFC's brutal. If you're bad in the AFC, you could be indie if they don't get a quarterback like Lamar. Not great. Because Jacksonville's getting much better. Tennessee's always a tough out. Houston, I think if they get a Bryce or a, I think if they get Bryce Young, it could be interesting. How about this? They get Bryce Young and Jackson's.

Smith, Najigba with their other first-round pick. And then you got... Houston's had a very, very solid by any standard off-season. Like really shrewd B-B-B-plus productive players. I'd like to hear that. D'Amico Ryan's good luck. Yeah. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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That's right. You have the number one pick. You're Carolina, offensive coach, Frank Wright. He's a polisher. Did it with Wince, Philip, did it with luck. He tends to be a guy that if you're not a finished product, he can make you more efficient. Who would be your number one pick? I would take Bryce Young. He's my best quarterback on the board. I know that he's not the guy that needs the most polished by any stretch of the imagination. And I understand that Bryce Young is small and stature, but his game is so well suited for the NFL, calling he's such a great distributor. He understands the schematics of the game as well. as anybody and controls that from the pocket pre-snap. Then he manipulates the pocket as well as

anybody that I've evaluated over the last couple of years. But here's what I love most about him, is that he's got this uncanny ability to make the biggest plays at the most important time. And he's one of the only reasons that they were in some of those games that they were in this last year. They did not have the wide receiver core that they've had in previous years. And he was having to go out there and will his team down the field. He did it against Texas in a win, kept him in the game against Tennessee, same against LSU, both on the road. This guy's hyper-accurate, and I think he comes in, and he makes your franchise viable, and he's the type of guy that I could see being a playoff quarterback pretty early in his career.

Any quarterback of the top four, there's too many red flags. Is there anyone that worries you? You know, Levis is the one that worries me of those top four quarterbacks. I've actually got him. If you go and check out my top 50 list, he's all the way down in the. the 30s. The other guys, I have all of them up in the top 10, including Anthony Richardson, mainly because when I watch Levis's games, there's far too many turnover-worthy plays. He's just careless with the football. It reminds me a little bit of James Winston when he

came out of Florida State. Remember all the interceptions that Winston had, and that has certainly perpetuated itself in his career in the National Football League. And I think it's one of the main reasons why he has suffered from a lack of consistency in his career. That's, That's what I see with Levis. So that's the one that worries me the most. If I was one of those teams in the top 5, 6, 10, and I'm looking at a quarterback and all a sudden it's Levis, I think that I would pass at that point in the top 10, maybe later in the first round, that's fine.

The other guys just either are polished and ready to go like Bryce Young, hyper-accurate like C.J. Stroud or have unbelievable upside, like Anthony Richardson. And that kind of takes some of that risk, and it puts it in the corner. because I know that I could potentially get a guy that could be the best player on the field in two or three years. So Jalen Carter came in a little overweight. You've got some, I don't know if you call him character issues. There's stuff there with Jalen Carter. We've talked on this show.

I think he's probably, when I watched him play, he was the most dominant player in this draft. Would you draft him? Would you be concerned about drafting him all you know now? Okay, so I would draft him and I would be concerned. So both of those things. You know, and I think you've said this several times, your production and your baggage are rated against one another. If you don't produce and you bring a lot of baggage,

you're not going to be on the team. Or you're a distraction, you're not going to be on the team, you're not going to be picked. If you produce, teams will put up with quite a lot in terms of baggage, off-the-field distractions, whatever it is, okay, lack of focus, however you want to call it, red flags. And he produces. Colin, he is one of the best interior defensive linemen we've had coming to the National Football League in the last four or five years.

So at that point, someone's going to take him. It's going to be high in the draft, and they're going to hope that they have the structure, the veterans, and everything that they need around him to keep him basically to not be a distraction. And to keep him outside of those distractions off the field, to keep him in line as far as his weight goes on the field. he's fantastic and he's going to be a really, really good player. The question is, is how focused is he going to be once he becomes an NFL superstar? So I've watched a lot of Will Anderson at Alabama. Probably saw him, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten times minimum.

He's obviously good, but does he project as good as Aidan Hutchison or a Chase Young? Like, just because you're the best edge rusher in this draft, that doesn't necessarily mean your comps are, you know, we've had some really good edge rushers in the last five or six draft. We've had bosses. So, I mean, what is he? That's a great question. I think I put him in line with all of those players. And it's because you have to, it's almost the exact opposite discussion that we just had

with Jalen Carter. He is everything that you would want in a potential leader and captain of a defense. I love his versatility. He can get after the quarterback. There's no doubt. He's also really strong in run defense. He's the type of guy that was the alpha of a defense that tries to build alphas in Alabama. They kept telling me during the course of the year that he was in the same vein as all the great defenders that they have come before him, in particular because of his leadership. They didn't have to say much at practice because of what he would do and bring the defense together and then he would go out there and produce.

this last season, he was the focal point of so many double teams and triple teams and the entire protection scheme of the opposing offense. I think that's why his production wasn't quite what we expected it to be in this season. But I firmly believe that Will Anderson can and will be in a defensive player of the year discussion within his career, probably within the first four or six years of his career. I think he's that good and he's that good off the field as well. That's why I have him as my number one player. I think we forget how dominant he was a couple years ago in college football. You can make the argument he's been the best player in college football over the course of the last two years. And that's the reason I have him as my number one defender.

I'm not a huge combine guy. It's a little filtered and edited. It's the Instagram of football where everybody looks perfect. And it's not authentic enough. You can get fooled on it. But if there was somebody in the combine, Joel, that you came out and said, boy, I thought it was Christian Gonzales at Oregon. I thought when he just looks the part. He has that Vernon Davis thing like 15 years ago where you're like, yeah, that's going to be a great player. But was there somebody for you, you came out of the combine and went, oh, that helped

him? Well, I was, a lot of the corners, just because of their length and stature, Gonzalez being one of them, I think you hit the nail on the head there. How about a guy that it's not because of a Blazing Fast 40 or, you know, a great vertical jump. Didn't Jackson Smith and Jigba just kind of remind everyone that it's like, oh yeah, you were the best receiver on a core of receivers that included Garrett Wilson as well as Chris Oliva. And so for me, coming out of this combine time, I've sensed that Jackson Smith and Jigba's stock

has risen quite steadily. If you go back to the end of the season, nobody was talking about him. No one had him as the top wide receiver in the draft. And now all of a sudden you get time to go back and look at the top. tape. Go back and look at what he does from the slot. Understand what he was and what he meant to a team that had those two players that had remarkable rookie years in the NFL. And you start to remember like, okay, this guy is easily a guy that can go out there and lead the league in receptions pretty early in his career. He understands spacing. He's highly explosive. He showed that by topping all wide receivers

and the quickness drills, the three cone, the shuttle. And for me, Jackson Smith and Jigba is a guy that has risen quite steadily. I won't be surprised if he gets taken in the top 15, maybe even the top 12 in the draft, because people are reminded during this process that he was and is the best player on the field when he's there, even with a guy like Chris Oliva and Garrett Wilson. By the way, the herd will continue on the Fox Sports app. Many of you will leave us to go watch Turkey, Croatia face off. So I want to get into one more question here. Bejohn Robinson He's a running back, and I'm okay taking a star running back if you think he is Ezekiel Elliott. I wouldn't assign Zeke to a massive contract two years early, but I've said this before.

Not everybody has to be a 401k. I don't have to be in a relationship with you forever. If you can make my football team dynamic for four years, I'm a GM, I'm a coach. That's a long time, a lot of runway, right? This is a quick league. Seven coaches get fired annually. So I would take him. Would you, does he, in your eyes, is he a first round running back?

And is there a team you think he could land with? Yeah, I do think. And I like your analogy. I'm 100% with you. The thing that killed the Cowboys wasn't that they come, that Zeke Elliott wasn't what he was. It was that they gave him a huge contract. Part of their beauty early in his career was that they were able to spend on the offensive line and in other areas, which is what made Dak Prescott viable at quarterback.

So, yes, I think Bijon is one of those guys. Listen, Colin, Bejohn is a versatile player. He's in the vein of a McCaffrey in that he can hurt you catching the ball out of the backfield. He can run it between the tackles, and he's highly explosive with the ball in his hands. Love his agility and his makeup. I would remind everyone that he was the best running back in college football, and he had an abysmal offensive line. The last few years, Texas has been really poor up front, and he was still a great player.

That bodes well for me as I'm projecting him into the next level. So I would absolutely take him. And here's where I would just throw it out. I don't know if he'll drop all the way to this point. But I keep looking at Detroit with four picks in the first two rounds and the first 55 picks in the draft. And I start thinking to myself like, boy, they're going to have the ability with one of those first rounders, in particular that pick at 18, I believe, or they could take a guy like Bijan and still help their defense with three other picks in the first 55.

So that's a luxury that a team like Detroit might have. They can give Gough more weapons. They were pretty good offensively, certainly need help on the defensive side, but maybe Bijan lands himself in Detroit. You know, it's funny. I said this with Jamar Chase a couple years ago. Jamar Chase was a professional football player still going to college classes. Bejohn Robinson, when I watched him this year, I'm like, oh, that's a professional running back.

He would be one of the top five NFL running backs. He just has to get through college. In basketball, it's a one-and-done sport. Football, there's three years. Very rarely, maybe once or twice a draft, you see a guy and you're like, oh, Jamar Chase, he's better than 99% of the NFL. Like, Bejohn, to me, is just kind of Ladainian Tomlinson. He'll do everything.

He could carry your offense. I mean, I love Jonathan Taylor. I think he's Jonathan Taylor with better fluidity. moves better. And he catches it way better. Remember, Taylor struggled catching the ball at Wisconsin. He wasn't even on the field on third down until his senior year. Whereas Bejohn is not just like, oh, he can catch it.

He's a weapon in the passing game. So you give him to any quarterback, and now you've got something offensively. I agree with you. He's ready. I would just add right now, like, we're about to see another guy play another year of college football who would be the top wide receiver in the draft, probably selected number three or number four overall, and that's Marvin Harrison Jr. So we're seeing it again next year in college football with the wide receiver from Ohio State.

By the way, if I was you, I would just add lib during the draft. You don't need all those notes. I like to wing it. That's how I, you know, see broadcasting as a whole, just winging it without notes. So you're prepared. You know, it's shocking. I think we all understand that that's your MO. Joel Clatt, good to see you, buddy.

Great to see you. buddy. Yeah, Bejohn Robinson's good. And you know what's funny is he missed a game or something. Their backup is good. Sark's got players. They're going to win eventually. Sark's got dudes. You can find running backs anywhere, man. Well, anywhere. Let's slow down on anywhere. Andy Reid's seventh round starting in the Super Bowl. The chiefs are pretty good. Not anybody. Although I will say the Seahawks once got Chris Carson. Remember that kid from Oklahoma State in the seventh round? Thumper. Well, he got injured a lot. He got injured.

lot in college, so people downgraded him. There are certain positions. Running back is a position where there's some real value. Elijah Mitchell for the Niners. Didn't he a six-round pick? Yeah. What about Breece Hall? My guy, second-round pick?

He was awesome before the injury. Oh, my gosh. Can we play the highlight of his touchdown run against the Broncos? No, we don't have time. What the announcer goes, Bruce Lightning! Just freak it out because it was an awesome touchdown run. Jets got the win. Only eight people watched that game.

Stop it. That's when they were on. They were like in the playoff mix. When they were in the playoff mix. Yeah, October. No, it might have been late October. Right around. In the midst of that Super Bowl race.

J. Mack with the news. No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. You want to do some NFL? Well, I don't do what you want. You're what you want. Do you're not?

Okay. Derek Carr. How about Derek Carr? You like him? You hype him on this show? Yeah. Boy, Raiders treated him like garbage at the end, huh? No, I didn't love it. Yeah. Didn't have a lot of success. during his nine years with the team. Nine years?

How many playoff wins? Let me see. Oh, right, zero. Anyways, owner Mark Davis said he apologized to Carr for that ugly ending. As I told Derek, the only consistent thing with the Raiders for the last 11 years has been me.

And the fact that we haven't won falls on me. There's no passing the buck or pointing the fingers. Buck stops here. And I apologize to him for not being able to get it done. Well, they missed on a lot of good picks. and so therefore, and they had some unfortunate circumstances. So a lot of those first round, second round picks that need to be stars were whiffs or got kicked out.

So if I told you a starting quarterback went 63 and 79 in his career with the team. What's the franchise? It's the Raiders. Don't say that explains it all. That's a large sample of 140-some-odd games. I don't think he's a top 7th, a quarterback. I think it's been a very poorly. run franchise, go look at Matt Stafford's record in Detroit. And Matt is an elite quarterback.

So you can only overcome so much. I mean, the Raiders have had a fuzzy owner, not great. By the way, he had almost a coach every year and a half, a new coach, a new system. I like Carr, but putting him in the same sentence with Matt Stafford is a bridge too far. Tell me, tell me quarterbacks that are absolutely inarguably better. So I'll count right now. Better than Carr? Yeah, let's go. How many? We don't have enough time left in the show, man. This is going to take an hour. No, just name them.

Go, and I'll just count how many there are. Okay. Let's start with Jalen Hertz. I'll go from the top NFC. Jalen Hertz is definitely better. Don't have to do an order. Just name. Dak Prescott, is he better?

That's your second one you name. I'm just going from the NFC to the AFC. Just name. Okay, five. Patrick Mahomes. Okay. Josh Allen. Lamar Jackson. Justin Herbert.

Yeah. Joe Burrow. Russell Wilson Okay Okay Okay Kirk Cousins Okay

What are we doing here? Come on, of course By eight We're pausing Keep going Trevor Lawrence Trevor Lawrence Yeah

I mean look I don't have every team off the top My Aaron Rogers Okay Exactly And that's where I always go Um I kind of think

You've named 10 And so I do think He falls in that 10 to 12 to 13 range. I would go Jared Gough better than him. Yes, Jared Gough better. But I would say he and Dak. I would take... Deshawn Watson. Okay. Okay, so now he's 13, which I don't think is unfair. I have him closer to 11, 12, but 13's fair. Would you put him... Surely I'm missing a team. You're not. Can I say Jimmy Garoppolo? Are you good with that?

I'd take Derek Carr. And I'm not anti-Garoplo. but he's hurt a lot. So that's my point. I have him at like 11, 12. You're at 13 and you're considering him. Folk, there's 32 teams. 13 is outside of the top five who you wouldn't take a phone call for.

You'd much rather have car, DAC. Who would you rather have next year? Derek Carr or Tua? Derek Carr. He doesn't get hurt. Who would you rather have? I would take Derek Carr. I got him every Sunday.

Tua is a concussion. away from careers over. I would need some more time on that, but Tua's, it's close. That's very, very close, no? One concussion, and there's going to be a strong argument. You shut it down forever for Tua. Derek Carr had six coaches in nine years, I think six, maybe seven if you count in her. I like them, but geez, you are a fan. All right, next up, the Brown's got a lot of criticism for giving Deshaun Watson that fully guaranteed deal. Other owners from around the league really ticked off with the move, but Brown's owner, Jimmy Haslam, says the organization

stands by their decision. I kind of like this. I don't like Hazel, but I like this. Every team, every business has to look and do what they think is in the best interest of their team. We did what we thought was in the best interest of our team. We still feel that way. So we're excited, too, if you will, have the stuff behind us. He's going to be there the whole season now, and barring injury is going to play all 17 games and hopefully more.

That I think alone is a bigger leap to the organization to Deshawn to all of us. I mean, listen, I don't like a lot of Hazlm stuff. He's spot on here, Colin. You've got to do what's best for your team. And if that means a guaranteed contract, so be it. Yeah, of course, it's compounded because best for your team isn't Baker Mayfield at number one. That was a mistake. Colossal error.

But then again, you know, I think, was that the draft the Jets took Darnold too? And he did not really pan out? Listen, it's difficult. Yeah. It's not easy. Never, I don't subscribe to anything that's got a big payout is easy. Everything's hard. You know, I was telling this, a friend told me this the other day.

He goes, when we grew up, our parents told us, you know, life's hard. It's not easy. And so therefore, we're equipped psychologically to understand life is hard. I grew up as a parent, you know, preaching more, you know, have some fun in life. Don't, you know, life, you know, work hard. hard, mom and dad did well, go on that extra vacation. I think that's my problem. I'm too soft. And kids now aren't quite equipped for the real struggles. Being sad is part of life. Like, I'm very optimistic, but I have had sad days, right? Haven't you? I mean, I would assume you've had

some sad days. I'm going psychological way. I just think it's a, I don't even know what got me on this topic. I don't either, but I like where we're going. We're only on the app right now, so it just disappears into the ether. Okay. All right. Well, final, final story, let's stick with the quarterback. The Texans have the second overall pick. Maybe they get Price Young. There's some concern about his size, but DeMiko Ryans, he does not care at all about Price Young's size. I know it's a lot going on to talk about his size, right? The guy's done it at the highest level in college football, and it doesn't seem to be, size hasn't seemed to be a problem. So, I don't see it as an issue because you watch the tape and you put on the tape and you see the kid play

and you see how smart he is. You see the anticipation. You see the accuracy. You see how this guy is calm and critical moments. Look at the track record, see what he's done in the SEC, highest level college football. He's been successful and I think he'll be successful in the NFL as well. I would take him number one. So I want to ask him, you, this is a difficult question. What variables do you think are most important to all of the most successful quarterbacks that the league has had in the last, we'll just say 25 years? Well, I wish there was one. There's about three. Okay, what are they? Cognitively, can you make quick decisions? Because the game's never been faster. There's fewer

huddles, the defense, the players are better. The game is faster now. So can you cognitively see it, you know, some guys are just, and by the way, that is Bryce Young's strength. Mahomes' strength. He sees it and instantly, cognitively, can figure out a play. Some guys, like Mahomes, is weirdly quick at recognizing a defense and equipped to immediately get rid of the football in that area. I also think that's Bryce Young's strength. His self-awareness, he's, so that's number one. Just cognitively, you've got to be pretty sharp, upstate.

Now let me interrupt on that. That's number one. So cognitively, how do you quantify? You watch the tape. But the tape is not all tape is equal. Patrick Mahomes, there's a lot of tape from him in college against garbage defenses in the Big 12. And not everybody saw this guy's cognitively a genius. Not everybody saw that. Well, yes, there are some things that you can get better at.

But remember, Brett Veach went to Andy Reid, maybe the best GM in the league, and said, this is an all-time player. Okay. Tom Brady. cognitively, man, a guy started seventh on the depth chart of Michigan. Rose up, had a good career. But if you look at his greatest strength, it really is his ability at the line of scrimmage to get in and out of trouble and danger.

That really is Tom got in and out. So I think that's, you're asking me what you have to have. Number one, it's that. The second thing is, can you deliver the ball accurately? In the pocket, in a muddy pocket, moving. Not just everything's rosy. The pocket gets tight. you've got to move to your left.

Can you deliver the ball accurately? So Bryce Young has two things I like. Really quick, cognitively, really accurate delivering the football. I'm not breaking the action. Josh Allen, coming out of college, could not deliver the ball at all. That's right. Spraying it all over the place, 58% completion. That's right.

So, okay. And the third one, you can argue, is just raw, unique talent. So, so, so, if you are not. great with accuracy, but you're pretty quick upstairs and you're an insane gifted talent. You can overcome less accuracy. Josh Allen, early in his career, maybe a Lamar Jackson. I don't have the numbers in front of me. So I think the first thing is you've got to be quick upstairs.

No dummies are great in this league. Secondly, can you deliver them? Does that involve test taking? Like the Wonderlic? How do you grade that? I think everything is something, nothing. is everything. So I mean, you scored a two on your wonder, like yikes. But if you scored a 38, it doesn't mean you're going to be a great quarterback. I'm just trying to pin down the best way of

cognitive, accurate, and it. Burrell's got an it. He's not that big. His arm is good. It's not great. He's mobile not fast. There is an it. You can go watch a play. You can go watch an actor. You can go. Some people have it. Okay. But the one thing you didn't say. Burroughs the classic it. You just have to watch him play and you're like, oh, he's, you know, he's, you can go. He's, some, some, some, He's better on third than first. He's got it. The one thing you didn't say, Colin, is size. So does that matter, I guess, a quarterback?

No, you know what I think? I thought about this. Everything changes, right? Like, the sport changes. It used to be Bill Parcells. Don't draft a celebrity quarterback. But everybody's a celebrity now because of social media at Instagram. TikTok.

You got to put that one aside. Caleb Williams is a rock star. You're going to draft it. So back then, it was like, what you wanted is not a hot shot and a braggart. They're all celebrities. So even Bill Parcells would acknowledge the great college quarterbacks are going to be celebrities.

Size used to be critical, but we're allowing people to be quarterback now who are just simply the best athlete in the football team. So I'm not completely beholden to it, but I do have a right to be concerned if you're five, ten and a half and a buck 90 and defensive tackles can bench Delaware. It is a concern. Like I've said, I think Bryce Young's going to be. good. I don't think he's going to be good for 15 years. But if you told me tomorrow, I get six good years out of him, I draft him number one. You'll get out of chaos, you'll get into

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Who plays in the NBA tonight? J. Mack, is there a big slate of games? I don't know. I haven't really looked at the lineup. I'm kind of checked out. I'm so disappointed in the final four that I haven't even looked at the point spreads. And NBA like it's getting crazy. But like you said, Embed, sat out last night. I don't know. I haven't really. I'm just kind of downshifting to the NFL draft. Pelicans at the Warriors. I'll watch that. 7 o'clock tonight. Oh, Zion playing? Probably not. Probably not. I know. I know. I've always amazed that when Adam Silver, so Zion's definitely not. I was being facetious. facetious. Yeah, I mean,

the entire Western conferences is about who's not playing. You know, Milwaukee's, we've just got to come to terms with this. Milwaukee's going to win this thing. Milwaukee is the best team. I'm sorry, can we go back to the NFL? So that quarterback thing was just interesting to me because it's such an inexact science

the draft. They have so many people in these front offices working together toward one goal. Let's identify a quarterback. And they do such a poor job of it. like isn't there a way like Bill Parcells had the one where he's like you need X amount of college starts yeah that matters a lot three years

size was a big thing Peyton has sat here with us and talked about it and there was a third one I forget what it was but like there were certain things that you could identify and say that guy's going to make it and I just I don't know that that's true anymore from a number of sense because the game has changed radically yeah I think that's fair is that

and there's also things that are true in businesses for a long time and then they're no longer true like in the NFL, defense wins championships. No, the Eagles and the Chiefs couldn't stop either. Quarterbacks with efficient coaching win championship. Establish the run game. Like that's from a bygone era. That stuff is not matter.

So I think with quarterbacks, size is not as crucial. But I mean, one of my knocks on Tua out of college was he's kind of small. And Tua has acknowledged publicly, yeah, sometimes I just can't see the receivers. So I do think size is crucial. But I think Bryce Young is the best quarterback by more than a smidge. Probably the only quarterback that grades as an A in this class. To me he is. And let's add mobility. All the top five quarterbacks that you love to say you wouldn't take a call on. They can at least move. They can move. Yeah. So Bryce Young can move. All right. Done today. See you Tomorrow in L.A. It's the herd.

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