The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR-3-LeBron, Brady

Episode Date: October 8, 2020

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be, make it as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in for Colin Cowherd. On the IHeart Radio app on Fox Sports Radio. Got a ball game on Fox Sports One. Braves, Marlins. I got Adam Amine and A.J. Prisinski and Adam Wainwright. Good little battery with Wayno and Prisinski.

I got a lot to get to. Charles Robinson, senior NFL reporter, Yahoo Sports will join us. Boy, sure, it seems like things spiraled out of control quickly in Houston. Did Dwayne Haskins get a bad deal? Get a bad deal. We'll ask Charles Robinson, we have a great best for last, and it does revolve around a matter of fact, I'll throw it out to you and you can send me your list. Dwayne Haskins was wearing white pants yesterday,

and it's not just, I know comedians, white pants after Labor Day is a no-go. But it's the idea on a day in which he gets benched, you look out at the Redskins practice field, and every other player has red pants on, or, as they say at times, red breeches on. He's got white pants on. And if you've ever coached or been around a high-level sports team,

There are things that players do, especially when they're working their way towards the doghouse, which just drives guys crazy. Coach is crazy. And that's one of them. That's part of our best for last later on this hour. You know, tonight we're going to see Tom Brady on Fox. Brady, the Buccaneers, digging on the Bears, Soldier Field. Nick Foles, yes, there will be at least a mention of Philly Special.

He was the quarterback of the Eagles. and, oh yeah, by the way, John D. Filippo, who's his quarterback coach was, I think his quarterback coach when he was in Philadelphia. Matt Nagy has coached him before. Bill Laser, who's his offensive coordinator, has coached him before. So, look, there's a lot of knowledge of system, knowledge of foals. But the bears are coming off of what I think anyone would deem to be a bit of an embarrassing performance in their loss to Indianapolis Colts.

physical, outplayed, just the Colts were ready and a really active defense and the bears were not. We'll see how they bounce back on a short week. Meanwhile, you got the Buccaneers who were down double digits. They get a gift and a turnover from the Chargers and they come back and get a big win. And for the first time, it looks like Tom Brady's team. You know, Brady's trusting teammates, letting her rip and they're making plays for them. And I was thinking about what we're likely to see from LeBron tomorrow night, what we're likely to see from Tom Brady tonight are one and the same.

You know, there's this, there's this sports continuum, right? And at one end of the continuum, you have athletic ability. At the other, you have whatever sport you are, IQ. And the more you play, like, look, some, some guys have a naturally intuitive way. They're more curious and intelligent. And it's not like they begin their NFL career, their Major League Baseball career, their NBA career as a sports Neanderthal.

But I think, do we have the Mark Cuban sound? Like Mark Cuban said on, like Eton Thomas has a podcast. And he said, like, LeBron James is night and day different as a basketball player now and when they played him in the finals. with the Dallas Mavericks. That was 2011, I believe. Check my years at 2011 they played. And what Cuban was saying was, you know, like,

back then you'd throw a zone at him and he didn't know what to do. Now he just reads, decifers, and just picks you apart. Like his basketball IQ is off the charts. Tom Brady, you get 20 years of starting quarterback in the NFL. you've seen just about every scheme, every tell, you know all these coordinators. And even if you don't know the coordinator, usually the coordinator came from another football family

and you know what their tendencies are. And you've been doing a lot of film work. There are no more surprises when you get to their age. You're at close to the end of that part of the sports continuum. The question is, do you have the athletic ability still to make plays? And this is where the true genius comes. comes in. The sacrifice of ego. The, hey, I need some help here.

When you're young, you're like, I can do this thing myself. Just get anybody out there. Give me four wide. Snap the football. I'll pick you apart. And I'll throw you open. What was the main reason that Tom Brady left the New England Patriots? Remember what Giselle said when they lost to the Giants the second time in the Super Bowl? My husband cannot do it all himself. Remember that?

In that video? she's right and the older you get the more help you need. It doesn't mean you still can't lead a championship drive down the football field, as he did against the Rams. Should be pointed out that against the Eagles, they didn't punt. Brady had a big fumble at the end of the game. They had the football a chance to win the game,

and they did not, he made a bad read. So he's not perfect. But at 43 years old, he knows, I need some guys to make plays. I need to find the best playmakers. and get them to football in the simplest fashion, the way in which I know how to do it best. And really, that's how LeBron is playing now. Like, LeBron has fed not just Anthony Davis to basketball,

but his ego the entire season. And it allows Anthony Davis to, at times, carry the team the entire game, or at least through the first three quarters. And then LeBron still has that ability to take over late. And you know what? I'm telling you that's what's going to happen tomorrow in the NBA finals. everybody's tired

everybody's ready to go home everybody they're just like done season's done series is done it's just formality I'm ready to go who's going to make the shots LeBron is he is

he's not the world's greatest shooter he's not the greatest world's greatest free throw shooter but in close out games he's been unbelievable and he's not holding back he's just pacing himself much like he does during most of these games when he sees a window, he'll score two, three, four buckets in a row,

and then go back to just reading the defense, picking it apart, finding ways to get other guys involved. Brady and LeBron are more similar than you think in that. They both reach this place where, whether it's sacrifice of ego, whatever it is, they're able to still dial it up and deliver at times, but they also know they can't do it all the time, so they need help with it, and they allow that help to be a part of what they're doing.

That's true sports genius. That's true intelligence anywhere. Knowing enough to know what you don't know, that's a sign of an intelligent man. That's what smart people do. Nobody knows everything. And knowing enough to know what you can't do, you can't carry your team on your own,

that's a sign of a great athlete. I can't do without a defense. I can't do it without great playmakers. And the same is true for LeBron. How is that team built? They're a great defensive team, and he's got just enough playmakers to help him make plays until it's LeBron time

and he can take over. And not always taking over for him and scoring sometimes it's passing as well. So I think that both, while close to the end of that athlete, athletic, talent portion of the continuum. Like, at some point,

we've seen LeBron age a little bit here. He doesn't have the same explosiveness all the time, but he's still kind of just an amazing freak of nature. Tom Brady the same. There are times in which the ball doesn't come off the same. It takes him a while to get his engine going in games. He's not great on opening drives. Collins pointed out not great opening,

but he has this incredible football IQ, incredible ability to deliver. He's seen it all, done it all. So he knows if you just get him to the fourth quarter that the competitiveness, the juices start flowing, he can just make plays. But just like the smart man knows enough to know what he doesn't know, the super talented athlete knows enough to know what he can't provide

and find somebody else or some other people who can provide that until he can dial up just enough talent still to win that game. Well, the Cowboys make a coaching change to turn their season around. Find out next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd. Let's get to Charles Robinson. He joins a senior NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports. You should follow him. He's also got a tremendous podcast. covering the National Football League. And let's start with the news of the week with the Houston Texans.

Okay, so they're going to go through the process of hiring a GM before they hire a coach. But obviously things went really wrong for Bill O'Brien. A lot of confrontations late. I'm just, I'm wondering where Deshaun Watson is in this whole thing. Well, I mean, I think he's the primary concern. You know, I think it's, they know that this, is the next 10 years of their franchise is Deshawn Watson. I mean, they've committed to paying him. You know, they've committed to him anchoring and being the centerpiece of that roster moving

forward. You know, JJ Watt, I think, you know, still has some gas in the tank, but he's in the winner of his career. And, you know, I think part of the complication with Bill O'Brien, although, you know, I think he was at loggerheads with Watt, I also think there was concern that, you know, Although D'Andre Hopkins was not going to really fit into the picture from a salary standpoint, and that was part of that decision, I do think that it hit Deshaun Watson sideways. And I don't think he completely has gotten over that, knowing that, you know, this was a very close confidant of his. This was clearly the elite receiver on their roster, and he's not stupid. He sees what, you know, Hopkins is doing elsewhere.

So I do think that he's somebody that is going to be in heavy consideration when not only the general manager job is filled, but the head coaching job. I don't know that Dishon Watson would weigh in on it, but I think it'd be similar to sort of the Jared Gough situation when Sean McVeigh was hired in Los Angeles. The question was, you know, hey, are you on board with this guy? Because we are. And, you know, it's going to be important that as a general manager and a head coach, whoever comes in is invested in this being the guy that is going to be the center of whatever, you know, blueprint you have moving forward. There can't be any question whatsoever about that because Deshaun Watson's got the bag. He's got every bag that existed. You know, it's he's not going anywhere.

and the two most important factors for anybody coming in is being able to work with the owner, Cal McNair, and the marquee quarterback that's already on the roster. Yeah, so, I mean, you know, I think a lot of people knee-jerk and say, oh, hey, look at Kansas City. You know, they got Eric Bionemi. I'm interested in, like, everyone hires people they know, right? That's generally how it works here. I mean, that's the reason Kyle Allen really is the starting quarterback right now, for the Washington football team want to get to that in a second.

But there's trust there with Scott Turner in the offense because he was there running it last year, right? People hire somebody they know. You have other former Patriot guys in that front office in Houston. Does Josh McDaniels become the guy? Or what about Byron Left, which if Tom Brady signs off on him, are they more likely candidates because of their work with quarterbacks? Well, yeah, as you said, Jack Easterbee is going to be. influential in this process. And, you know, obviously, Jack used to be the guy that came over from New England, you know, had a little bit of a burned sort of bridge, you know, after, you know,

tempting to woo Nick Casario and the Kraft family taking umbrage to how that whole thing went down and all this. So I think that it adds a little bit of static to the whole idea of Josh McDaniels. I mean, I am sure I can tell you. I don't think the Kraft family would be super excited to see Josh McDaniels get wooed to Houston through Jack Easterby knowing how they feel about Jack Easterby. I don't think they have positive feelings toward him. And so I'd be curious to know if, you know, the Kraft family would try to influence that in some way, shape, or form.

But the reality is if Josh McDaniels wants that job and Jack Easterby is influential and convince Cal McNair that Josh McDaniels is a viable candidate for that job, and is the best person to work with Deshaun Watson. You know, I have no doubt that there would be mutual interest there. Josh McDaniel's camp has been very good at making sure he's involved in any prominent jobs that come up even after the disaster in Indianapolis. But interestingly enough, with Indianapolis, you look at that situation, and he kind of has a feather in his cap because when he, you know, blew up the head coaching position there and left, he gave them the gift of Matt Eberflus. He hired Matt Iberfluse before he backed out of the Indianapolis Colts job, and Iberflus is going to be a head coaching candidate in the NFL.

He's going to be a hot head coaching candidate in NFL this offseason. He was last offseason. And so, you know, the thought process for Cal McNair, and I'm sure Jack Easterby, if, you know, they're as close as they're rumored to be, Easterby and McDaniels, one of the things that Easterby is going to say to Cal McNair is, hey, look, this guy's worked with Tom Brady. Now he's worked with Cam Newton. You've seen him work with different styles of quarterbacks.

It's going well with Cam Newton now. If that continues, you know, through the remainder of the season, that's going to show, you know, Josh McDaniel's flexibility of working with, hey, a pocket quarterback and a guy who's, you know, more in line and Cam Newton with where the quarterback position is going in the NFL. And, oh, by the way, he hired a defensive coordinator in Indianapolis who has suddenly surfaced as sort of this year's Robert Salas, like one of the best defensive coordinators in the league. So, you know, I could see McDaniels being a, um, a, um, a. an attractive candidate. I could see Eric B. Enemy, you know, left which a lot of offensive-minded

guys, I think, will be, you know, at the very top of that search list. But I would, I would warn anyone that not just to assume that because Easterea McDaniels have a connection, that that's going to be an automatic fit. The thing about Cal McNair, this is the new, this is his defining moment. No one really knows what Cal McNair is all about. Everybody knew what Bob McNair was. So this is sort of where he makes his bones as the owner of that team, the outright owner of the Houston, Texas. This hire is going to be a

really, really big deal. And I do think that he understands it's all about making sure that the person that comes in is the perfect fit for Deshawn Watson. Doug Gallevin for Colin is the herd. Charles Robinson is our guest senior NFL reporter for

Yahoo Sports. Cowboys defense is bad. Bad. Summer point to Mike Nolan just there's a reason he hadn't been a coordinator considered to be a coordinator. Some are saying it's the players and there's effort not buying in. Some are saying it's a bad fit, the 3-4 system. How do they go about fixing it in Dallas? Well, you know, I think it's a combination.

I really do. I don't think it's any one thing. I think, you know, as you said, Mike Nolan has laughed in his defensive coordinator Atlanta to not go well. You know, and by the way, it wasn't a one-year thing. I mean, he had three years to kind of, you know, adjust the same. system to the players, the players adjust to the system, or, you know, the front office to pick the right guys for Mike Nolan to operate with, and it just never clicked. And, you know, so when Mike Nolan lands in Dallas, it raised some eyebrows because, you know, some people are like,

okay, well, obviously Mike McCarthy was his former OC in San Francisco and Mike Nolan was was the head coach. Is this, you know, one friend paying back another kind of situation? Well, that sure hasn't gone well now because, as you said, they tanked. They're terrible. And I think there are a few different things going on here. I think what Mike Nolan brings in is complicated. You know, it's a defensive system that's multiple, and that's what Mike McCarthy, the head coach, wants. He wants some complication.

He wants some ability to change up with, you know, the skill of their personnel, but also, you know, the design of the opponent. And, you know, that's what, like New England's done so well, being sort of a little bit of a chameleon. The problem is, I don't know that the Dallas roster, the players that are currently there are necessarily the right fit for this defense. And you have a guy like Jalen Smith has really struggled, I think, at times, even though

they keep backing him every time they talk. Jalen Smith needs late in Vanderex on the field. Sean Lee being healthy, you know, and being a viable rotational option would probably help Jailen Smith as well. And I think he's been exposed a little bit by being out there by himself without those guys. And then you have like Xavier Woods at safety who, you know, does not look comfortable in the scheme. not, you know, they felt good about him as a player and he appears to have regressed a little bit

inside this. And I think the thing that's alarming to me is Alden Smith's their best defensive player. This guy hasn't been on the field in four years. He hasn't played in the NFL in four years and he's your best defensive player. There's a silver line you do that. You got him cheap. You brought him in. You know, great, good for you. But to Marcus Lawrence is your highest paid defensive player. You have to find a way to make that guy as effective in this system as possible. Well, he's been good. I mean, he's been okay. Like, I think people are down on him because of the sack situation.

But when you talk to pro personnel guys who are watching, you know, film on Dallas and preparing for him, Lawrence is still having an impact. And so I think it's just the sack numbers out. Whatever the cases, they have to figure it out. If it's the personnel, if it's the players not buying in, whatever it is, it's on now Mike McCarthy to make sure they get this dialed in. Because as much as Jerry Jones is saying, hey, look, it's not time to, you know, we're not going to make a change. We're not panicking here or anything. That's fine. But you're a month in.

You get to the midway point. You get to a three-quarter pole and this is still going on. There will be a change at defensive coordinator in the office. I don't have any question about that. This won't be sustained for a full year. Charles Robinson, our guest senior NFL reporter, Yahoo Sports. I tweeted something in February and people lost their mind. It was that somebody, somebody close.

No way. Somebody close to the former staff said they were so in with the Washington football team that they couldn't figure out why Dwayne Haskin struggled so much, not just with the playbook, but to get plays out. Anybody knows the Gruden Boy's system, it's not exactly easy, right? It's tough on quarterbacks. But they struggled so much that they actually asked themselves and went and looked like through his charts, like, is he dyslexic?

Are we missing something here? Because he's not, it's not like he's not intelligent. It's just something's missing in terms of his ability to grasp the entirety of the playbook and take command of a huddle. Urban Myers said he wasn't ready. He said it on this show. And you know, you got Doug Williams, again, right about the time I tweeted saying, like, he's got to do more than just kind of galvaned around. Like, I'm a starting quarterback of the Redskins and lock in. Four games in.

It's not just that he got demoted yesterday. Like, they got him his third string. He wasn't even taking snaps yesterday. What happened with Washington? Well, okay, so I think there is, what, first off, you know, to be fair to Haskins, what he went through, you know, his first year in Washington is like the worst possible situation. Like it is a terrible, I mean, it's a train wreck. You know, you had Bruce Allen, you know, who was, I mean, everybody wanted him out of the franchise. You had Jake Rudin, who, you know, has the unceremonious ending.

weird stuff, you know, video pops up all the sudden weirdly, like right before he gets fired, like just all kinds of weird, nasty stuff that, frankly, there's been a little bit of a history in Washington sort of happened around Dwayne Haskins, not the greatest environment, frankly, for, you know, hey, here's this quarterback that the owner loves, maybe the head coach hasn't fully bought into,

and, you know, you're trying to get things right around this guy. And by the way, I'll say this about Haskins, like, this isn't the first time they've had sort of a frame wreck situation in terms of drama at quarterback. RG3 and Kirk Cousins and oh by the way, Colt McCoy was a mess for years. Like even when Kirk Cousins was putting up numbers, there was someone inside that organization with regularity who was talking anonymously about Colt McCoy and pushing Colt McCoy. And it used to drive Kirk Cousins nuts. The quarterback room was bad, you know, with RG3. So I'm sitting here and I'm going, well, you know, I'm not going to put this

all on Haskins because frankly, it's sort of been a poisoned environment there for a long time. Now, Ron Rivera, it should be different because it's a new staff. He gets a fresh start. But here's the thing. Ron Rivera also, they went and got Kyle Allen. As you said, there's familiar, there's scheme familiarity there. And Ron Rivera wanted another option. And oh, by the way, Alex Smith continues to press himself, you know, in that situation, continues

to say, hey, I think I can be a viable guy, think I can be healthy again. and, you know, he gets out there and he takes snaps and frankly, the staff was like, you know, like, hey, like this guy is really, you know, he's, he is exceeded by far our wildest expectations about whether or not he can still be more than just a guy in the quarterback room. Maybe this guy can still factor on this team. That's part of why Alex Smith is a backup now. And now the other end of it, I will say this about Haskins. What Urban Meyer said about him not being prepared, the feeling was amongst other franchises that talked to him, you know, going through that draft process was, okay, he needs to mature as a leader. He needs to mature as a player. He needs to mature as someone who's preparing, like a lot of different things. They said, look, there's going to be a growth arc with him and somebody's going to have to be patient.

I think he went to the wrong franchise for that, frankly. And, you know, so it's, um, I, I, does he have to do something? He has to prepare harder. You have to do, I don't know. Like, in Washington needs to come out and say what maybe some of the issues are rather than just demoting the guy to third string and then sort of letting it hang there. Because that's not good for him either. There's a lot of sort of fill in the blanks that end up taking place. Do I think that, you know, he probably has a ways to go in terms of, hey, maturing as a leader and some of these other things, sure, but he's also.

23 years old and there are other quarterbacks to come in the league and there's a little bit of a chasm before they they get where they need to be and so I don't want to I don't want to just heap dirt on the guy already you know but I think what really is important there and and this should be the whole storyline around him as someone needs to say to him it's about how you respond now like like they've done like here's here's my thing like I don't know if you saw the video but I don't talk about this later if you look at the video yesterday he's got white pants on everybody else to has red pants on. Now look, to somebody outside

of sports, they're like, what's the big deal? Is he wearing football pants? Does he got a cup on, right? Is he got a helmet? He's good. But, you know, when you just got demoted and your leadership's in question and why are you wearing white pants when everybody else has got red pants on, like nothing irritates coaches, especially when

you have no equity with these coaches, more than something as, just as simple as what color pants you have on. And there's the complication, too, is that because of everything. What just occurred with him and the demotion now makes every single thing he does becomes a news item. And that's also something someone needs to say to him is, listen, if you are not fully and entirely on your piece and cues,

if it feels like there's some lack of buying on your part or whatever, that is going to get savaged. It's going to be out there everywhere. Every single thing you do, every camera trained on you is going to catch you when you're not smiling, when you're not this, when you're not that, and every bit of your body language becomes a piece of news. And so, you know, it's, this is part of, you know, I hope he has good advisement. You know, I hope that, you know, David Mulligat is a respected agent. I hope David Milogat is telling, look, man, might not be a fair situation, might not be a great situation. Things have gone bad, but here's how this is going to project out forward, and maybe you are

going to go elsewhere. So let's, let's think about it. Yeah, but I got to tell you, Dave Mogaddy, that was a mistake. He should not have tweeted out last Saturday, but everybody else in the organization. Like, you don't, you can't, like, regardless of what the coach says, for people who don't know, you know, Ron Rivera last week said, you know, basically he was on a short leash, he's got to get, you know, that he has no ties to the quarterback,

that, you know, that he's considering making a change and he's got to get better. And Mugeta, who's the agent, tweeted out basically like the organization he's not that everybody else has to get better like what are you doing that is not and I know you're protecting your guy and think but to air it publicly is a major mistake because now you're challenging ron Rivera and ronovara and ron vera's like look i've been doing this long time i've been to a super bowl what do you you know why are you questioning me yeah i mean look i understand that but that's also on brand i mean david mull he very much protects his guys.

He very much is out, you know, Jalen Ramsey. You know, there have been a number of guys that he, I mean, represents, you know, a number of massive, you know, sort of clients who are or at the center of a team's orbit. I get that. I understand that. And, you know, that's fine. That, that's, I think it's completely fair to debate that. And, you know, I think, but I also think there's probably an element of maybe him also

showing Dwayne Haskins. hey, the world's coming down on you right now. I'm still in your corner. And I'm out of your fight for you. What's the league going to do about Tennessee? You got another couple positive tests today. Plus, they had this practice they weren't supposed to have at a park the day after they shut down the facility. What's going to happen there? Right. It's not good. It is not good. You know, I had a chance to talk to a couple of guys that were on the inside of the whole investigation,

this joint investigation between the NFL and the NFLPA. and I mean, I was flat out told, like, look, those two, the NFL and the NFLPA jointly agree, they feel like they found, you know, protocol violations, you know, COVID-19 protocol violations that occurred before the Minnesota Vikings game, which, you know, the linebackers coach had tested positive on that Saturday and the outbreak comes out, you know, it's really never ended since that game. And, you know, Roger Goodell had a conference call on Monday, talked to a couple of general managers who were on that conference call who felt like, hey, it was pretty pointed.

Like, clearly the Tennessee Titans were in the crosshairs of Roger in the league when, when, you know, there were slides that were put out of, like, players without PPE, like, I think, like, in a team cafeteria or whatever. And Roger was making a point about, like, hey, this is, this is a very big Tennessee Titans problem. We do not want this happening in other, you know, organizations and we're going to air it out. Like, and so I think the Titans are going to get hit. there's going to be, you know, I was told, look, it's, it's, uh, one source literally said to me,

it's, it's not about if it's, it's when and, and how harsh the league decides to be, um, in the punishment. But there, I don't think they feel, um, any proclivity to hold back on this one because there's, frankly, support in a number of corners in the NFL where when you talk to people in front offices, they're like, look, if, if they were blowing off, you know, or not taking this seriously and, and this occurred because of that, and, oh, by, the way, the schedule got disrupted. People feel like they should get hammered. Other general managers, other head coaches.

But what do you do with Kansas City, though? As of right now, Kansas City is going to play about three games in 11 days. Like, it has, it had the ripple effects on other teams is really interesting. Like, how do you? The Steelers didn't get a buy week. The Steelers completely lost the buy week because they literally, hey, they had a week four by. No, they didn't. They spent week four preparing for a game that didn't happen.

And so now, and then you take their buy week later, and now they're going to going to go through a COVID season without any chance of checking out for a week, which is the buy weeks are going to be important this year because people are going to need a mental reset, you know, for a couple of days in organizations and the Steelers aren't going to get that. So they're pissed too. And I get that. But here's the thing. When this all started, the league and the union were pretty clear with not only the players, but the teams, the owners, the coaches, the general managers, people are going to get screwed. Like, it's going to happen. Like, there are going to be some teams where this is not the most fair environment.

and we're like this is we're all in it together it's not going to be fair and equitable you fight through it and this is why i told people at the beginning of the season if this goes 17 weeks they get the full 17 weeks off and they get a playoff and boom there's a super bowl and it's it's like a normal season under pandemic condition i'm telling you it's the greatest super bowl any franchise will ever win because it's under the most ridiculously difficult um conditions and constant stress and to be able to pull that off and this plus opt-out is absolutely unbelievable. And the Patriots are prime example, because I'm going to tell you right now, I have heard nothing.

Like everybody knows the Patriots, people inside the Patriots. Even other teams are like, hey, everything we've heard about the Patriots, they've really, really been strict about all this stuff. And they still, you know, had Cam Newton come down there. They still have Stefan Gilmore. Right. They're two best players. Right.

Yeah. come down. It's not like the backup kicker. It's their quarterback and their best player. Yeah, Cam Newton off to a great start. Probably, you know, was going to be in some element of the MVP conversation. John Gilmore, who last year was basically defensive player the year the entire team. Yeah. Charles, we got to run.

Great stuff as always. Check out his podcast. Reyes' work at Yahoo Sports. Charles Robinson. Charles, thanks so much for joining us. All right. Thanks for having me, Doug. Stay safe, man.

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at Walmart. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is The Hurd. Let's get to the Hurdline News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. John Gulee, what he got? So yesterday, Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson missed practice

for what was called precautionary reasons because of the knee injury, nothing serious. Today, Lamar Jackson missed practice again, which is the first time in his career he's missed back-to-back practices. The Ravens host of Bengals on Sunday. back-to-back practices this early season generally means he's injured

not saying he's not going to play he's expected to play but that means he has an injury he's a running quarterback and the knee injury could be a problem is this something to worry about or is this nothing? Yes, it's something to worry about it makes my son very happy because he's been singing the praise of Trace McSorley

his backup for weeks now he's like dad we got to get Trace McSorley I was like he's the backup to Lamar Jackson Tracy McSorley is awesome RG3 is the backup to Lamar Jackson. Is Trace McSorley there too? Maybe, but RG3 has been getting the snaps in practice and comes in as the backup.

So you mean to tell me my son's been selling me on Trace McSorley? I can't say I know for, I have not been keeping track of Trace McSorley. Not since Penn State. Yeah, he's third string. Right, but RG3 has been taking the snaps. He's going to be devastating.

Anyway, he's a running quarterback. He didn't run a ton in his last game. No. No, but look. You know, you play, you missed two days in a row, you have an injury. Yes. You're not hurt your injury, right? Right.

Yeah, look, look, what are the two things? People were on me when I still, even last year, hadn't bought in to Lamar Jackson long term instead of Sam Donald. And it's because the two things that hold you back to Lamar Jackson still hold you back. It's, what's his accuracy like when he has to, everyone knows he has to throw,

third in California, right? And that style of play gets you hurt. And look, if it can get Cam Newton hurt, who's Cam Newton is a giant of a man, 6-5-230-2-40, it's going to get Lamar Jackson hurt. And Lamar has run more than anybody in the history of the league in the least the last 30 years in terms of volume of carries. And I understand that, yes, I'm very concerned,

because his body, as well as his accuracy, have been to things that have limited him. It's like one of those fun while it lasted, but man, if he's limited in any way athletically, it dramatically changes his effectiveness. Sure. And finally, the Cowboys have been rightfully criticized for their historically bad defense through the first four games, but they may have another problem. Zee can't hold on to the ball. That's a problem.

He has three fumbles already, lost two of them, and that's with him getting less carries than he would normally get. It's only been four games. He said yesterday, court, I can't give up the ball anymore. Some of them, too, have come early. They've been kind of momentum killers and game changers where that's one of the reasons they get down and then start having to throw too much. How important not only is it for him to hold on to the ball, obviously, but also for them to just make him the focal point of their offense, at least early in games. I think they've tried. I think their offensive line isn't the same and they're struggling. And look, that's a big thing is we deal with this all the time in the media.

We deal with dated information. We act like, wow, Dallas's offensive line is amazing. It hasn't, one that hasn't been healthy, in fairness, right? Lost the center. They didn't have the tackles for a game and a half. They're starting to get healthier. So I think it's important. Look, they just need to find a way to generate points early.

Play from a lead. It does. So much better than playing from behind. but they do need to run the football. What the hell is the point of giving them all that money if you're not going to run the football? On the other hand, if it's not effective, the last three guys they've paid are a running back

they don't use and two defenders who can't stop anybody. And a wide receiver who's very good, but not at the level to which I don't think of Marie Cooper's level which is paid. And that's John Galeigh with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news.

I want to do something a little bit different in the best for last. Usually we do some sort of fun, cookie list and it gets a lot of play. This is more sports-centric. It's the best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in.

Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. Have you ever been in the doghouse snuggled up with a bone? I have. And you know what you're not supposed to do? What Dwayne Haskins did yesterday. So Dwayne Haskins was a first round pick of the Washington Redskins.

his old coach Jay Gruden didn't want him and never really embraced him. His new coach Ron Rivera didn't draft him, didn't bring him over from his former team, and it summarily benched him just four games into his career as the head coach. And basically the football czar for the Washington football team. The team that doesn't have a nickname also now has a first round draft pick. That's not the first, not the second. He's the third string quarterback. But worse yet, Dwayne has a nickname.

and showed up at practice yesterday wearing the wrong color pants. Now, to some of you who haven't played high-level sports, maybe it's no big deal. Did he have football pants on? Yeah, it's not like he showed up naked or he decided to go shorts when everybody else is in shells and a hat. But the fact is that when you're in the doghouse, that's the time you have to show complete and total buy-in. That's the real test.

You want to be a pro in this league? You got to show that you can take it. What's that it was said in Bull Durham? You got fungus on your shower shoes. In the minors, you're colorful. In the bigs, you're a slob. When you're the backup quarterback or the third string quarterback after being the first string quarterback and the first round pick,

and you're wearing white pants, you seem like an arrogant, obtuse head in the sand. It's everybody else's fault, not mine. I'm the superstar. They'll figure it out eventually sort of guy. when the reality is now's the time to totally buy in. You know, Colin has the backwards hat thing. And by my estimation, it's one of the more dated takes that he has. He's got a lot of great takes.

He's awesome in his job. Collins, my friend. But that one, I think, is laughable because there's a reason that they put logos on the backs of hats. Because most dudes wear their hat backwards at some point in time. The NFL logo, the Major League Baseball logo. I had fun one Sunday afternoon tweeting out pictures, even of Russell Wilson, franchise quarterback, the love affair between Russell and Colin is long lasting. And Russell Wilson wears his hat backwards.

But what really, really signifies that I'm not a franchise quarterback is little things, right? It's like for basketball guys. If you show up and you're ready for, and everybody else is ready to practice and you're not taped. Or worse yet, you're not taped and you're wearing those slides. You know, the Gucci slides or the Nike slides instead of coming in, laced up, taped up, ready to go, warmed up when the coach blows his whistle. That's what leadership looks like. And the same thing goes for being a backup quarterback. Backup quarterbacks got to be in there right when the starter's in there.

Your job as a backup is to get the starter ready, not to mope, not to pout, not to be woe as me, because the only thing that's important to a football team is winning the next football game. That's why Kyle Allen's the starter and why Dwayne Haskins is now the third string quarterback. Little things become big things. And wearing white pants when everybody else is wearing red or maroon is a little thing that is really a big thing in the minds of the coaches that have you buried underneath the bone in the doghouse. All right, we got Major League Baseball tonight. Collins back tomorrow. Lakers are going to win their 17th championship tomorrow.

LeBron is going to be awesome. We'll see what Brady does tonight. I think it's going to be a competitive game on Fox. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Hurt. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel

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Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. In 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me.

I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but self.

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