The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR 3-LeBron James, Dustin May

Episode Date: August 7, 2020

When LeBron James struggles, the Lakers struggle. Can he carry them as 35 year old Vet. Also Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher, Dustin May joins the show. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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P filthy for the Dodgers. Got to wonder what this season has been like for Dustin May. but man I mean you look at the numbers and that's a dude who is just absolutely owning the world as the Dodgers have been really impressive so far this year not in first place but it's like one of those things

you're going to let so many teams in the in the playoffs you got to really you got to feel really good about where the Dodgers are all right so we'll talk some Dodger baseball I got I got some I got some I got some Raiders stuff for you upcoming. That should be good. That should be really, really good. Really good.

I get some radar stuff for you coming. And then our best for last, I think you'll enjoy. Yes, we're going list. And a yes, it involves movies. And there's a, there's a logic behind it. So, all right? So you're just going to have to deal with that. Just going to have to deal with that. All right. So Dustin May in 30 minutes. We'll keep it with L.A. with this topic. The Lakers lost to the Rockets. LeBron James didn't play. So let's be fair that LeBron doesn't play.

And in addition to the fact that this isn't the most talented team in the NBA, you take an otherworldly talent like LeBron, who also is your main shot creator, Legeon scoring and assists, or maybe second in the scoring, whatever, in scoring and assists. and rebate, walking triple double, you take him off. The team is built one way.

You play without him, you have to play a completely different way. Now, the Rockets didn't have Russell Westbrook, but they did shoot the ball incredibly well, and the Lakers shot the ball terribly. Two of 19 from three. This coming off of, the Lakers shooting, uh, what was?

Five of 37 from three the night before? I mean, it's just And if you look, LeBron, since the restart, 27% from 3, AD 24.6, KCP 18.3. Danny Green, supposed to be a three-point shooter, 12.3. Dion Waiter's 10% and JR has not hit a 3, and he was, you would assume, brought in to improve that 3-point shooting. They're shooting 23% as a team from 3, and they've gotten progressively worse during their time. in the bubble. Can some of that be helped? Can they shoot through some of it? Yeah. Is some of it you have an older team and when you're playing this many games in this shorter period of time,

you're just not going to have the legs? Sure. But man, are they struggling? And what's going to happen is if they don't win an NBA championship, who's going to get the blame? I know that Skip will point out LeBron's inadequacies and is like, I'm not going to sit here. and tell you there's any fear of failure or there's a choke in him. And I'm reasonable to understand that in the NBA, you have to have space, especially the way LeBron plays,

where he's trying to play downhill and almost bully ball. And especially now he's not as athletic as he used to be. He's still, by anybody's estimation, an incredible athlete, but he really does have to get into your body, use his strength in order to try and get, buy you or post you up or find an angle. There's a certain cleverness when you're 35 that you don't have to have when you're 28 and you're just the biggest, fastest, strongest, baddest you know what on the planet.

But if you want to see the easiest correlation in stats to victories with the LA Lakers, it doesn't revolve around shooting. And look, I'm somebody who said, if I'm LeBron, I'm pissed at A. Barry Bradley didn't play well early on the season. He was just starting to play great. He's a tremendous perimeter defender who they're going to need if they take on any of these teams in the postseason. They're going to light them up.

I mean, Damien Lillard going against, I mean, if you haven't, if you've watched the past couple days, you better realize you can't play Quinn Cook against the legit all-NBA caliber point card. What Chris Paul did to him is that is, that's abuse in some states. And as much as we all love Caruso, look, there's a, there's a ceiling there. There's a ceiling there. Doesn't really score.

He is a really good athlete. He defers a ton to LeBron. Like, he's a tremendous defender, but outside of transition, he doesn't give you a ton offensively. Those guys are backups for a reason. They don't have a starting point card. Like, all of, this is absolutely reasonable to go like, man, if they had had Darren Collison and Avery Bradley hadn't opted out,

out, it's a totally different team. But they don't. But if you just do yourself a favor when you're at home, if you're bored. Click on LeBron James and click on splits for this year. Splits. Okay? LeBron James in wins, 26.8 points per game. Can I round up to 27?

Is that okay? In losses, 20.7. I'll round up to 21 if you want. Still, that's a six point difference. But here's where it gets even worse. In the wins, he shoots 51% from the field in the loss is 42. In the wins, 38% from 3 and the loss is 21. In the wins, 71% from the free throw line in the loss is 63.

He turns it over a little bit more. The assist are essentially the same. The rebounds are actually higher when they lose. The only thing that's different is the scoring. So while LeBron James and anybody who supports LeBron James, as a fanboy LeBron James can tell you, and it's a reasonable discussion to have that you go like, hey, can he do it without shooters?

I don't know. They don't have enough shooting right now. Maybe that eventually water finds its level. They can work with, like just every day, get in there, get reps, get volume, rest guys, they have better legs, you know, and make shots that they missed. Maybe have some mental coaching as well while they're there.

I mean, they have, Mike Pemberthy is one of the assistants. He's a shooting coach. He was a great shot. shooter. There was anti-IA guy that made the Lakers. He beat me out. He's one of the best shooters I've ever seen in my life. So it's not for lack of teaching or coaching.

They just not making shots. But none of that really correlates to wins or losses. LeBron's stats do. Here's Frank Vogel in the shooting. We just haven't had practice time. So, you know, we've got to continue to work through it. And again,

we got a lot of guys going in and out. We're watching tape on it each day, trying to learn from the types of shots we're trying to create. I thought we took less bad shots from the perimeter tonight. And that usually helps your percentages. It didn't tonight, but it did create more attacks to the basket, more free throw attempts, more points in the paint. So there's some positives there. Okay.

Sure. Like the practice time thing is, you know, look, they have, they can get, guys can get into a gym and get shots up. That's not at issue. and it'd be one thing if they were in an adverse situation as opposed the rockets in the exact same game 21 of 57 which isn't a great percentage it's 37% it's not crazy high but damn they took how many threes 57 threes and i'll grant you the construction of that team with no big guys is different but if you want to go practice time why would the rockets not have the exact same amount of practice time the trailblazers last night 23 of 39 The Nuggets, 14 of 28, 50% from 3. The Clippers beat the Mavericks last night. The Clippers, 14 of 31. The Mavericks, 17 of 48.

All of these teams are in the exact same bubble environment with the exact same amount of practice time or ability to get to a gym. So I don't buy that one. Better shots, sure. Having more point guards who create those shots. Absolutely. But if you want to tell me, it's because they haven't had practice time, that doesn't hold up to me.

And maybe here's the biggest thing. They've shot poorly, still found a way to win throughout the season. Let's give some accountability to LeBron. And last night's not he didn't play. And he's carrying a lot. But if they win or lose, the season statistics tell you, LeBron is the reason or the cause. coming up next.

It's a make or break season for one NFL quarterback. Maybe for more than one. But this one that I want to talk about and I kind of feel like we know exactly who he is and there's no chance he proves us wrong.

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One of the thing the last time he had his hair short Like he has he's got great pitcher hair doesn't he? Great pitcher hair Dustin May who's got an unbelievable cutter Pitches for the Dodgers If you haven't seen him do yourself a favor Check it out That red mop top is remarkable

I mean it is Who it is remarkable So too is that cutter He'll join us up coming in 10 minutes or so. So Lincoln Kennedy was a great player, not just a UCLA, but with the

Oakland Raiders. Huh? I mean, but he didn't play it. Jonathan Ogden played at UCLA. Lincoln Kennedy's at Washington, my bad. Lincoln Kennedy played at UW and then of course with the Raiders. He's been a Raiders broadcaster as well. He said this to Zach Gelb.

I would say to him if I was there and he being Derek Carr. I would say if he was here in my face and he said that I would tell him that right now. If you're tired of being disrespected, play better. It's that simple. The thing is, there's no more excuses for Derek. It's now either put up or shut up. He's got all the weapons in front of him. He's got an offensive line.

He's got a run game. Got receiving core. now it's time to put up or shut up. Now look, if I was, and first of all, Lincoln's a friend. He's a really good dude. And I do think that is the approach that most Raider fans think and the Raiders themselves think. But it's also completely fair to say, hey, last year,

they weren't built to have Tyrell Williams as their number one receiver. Right? The plan was to have Antonio Brown as their number one receiver, to have Tyrell Williams as their number two. And then you had the, you know, Zay Jones, Brian Edwards, Hunter Renfro, Nelson Aguilar's. Now you got a Henry Ruggs. So I would disagree with Lincoln in terms of what he's had in terms of the talent around him previously. And even thinking that Ruggs is immediately, you know, You know, his speed could change what they do. But let's not act like Henry Ruggs is expected to be an all-pro-level wide receiver. I mean, Tyro Williams is a good player. He was not the best wide receiver with the Chargers. Frankly, he was the third best wide receiver with the Chargers.

That's why he ended up in Oakland or now in Vegas with the Raiders. They had Eden and Allen and they had Mike Williams. So I would disagree in terms of having this great wide receiving court. They're getting better. And I do think the Raiders signing Marcus Mariotta, paying him $7.5 million to be a backup, they're saying, John Grude and Mike Mayack are saying, Derek, it is put up or shut up time. Josh Jacobs is a stud at running back. They've rebuilt their offensive line.

They've done some really good things. But like at what point do we start to go, this is kind of who Derek Carr is? is. Right? I mean, they've changed coaching staff several times over. 21, 32, 28, 22, 19, 21 touchdown passes. 12, 13, 6, 13, 10, 8 interceptions. Right? He's a two, two and a half to one touchdown interception guy. In a league where

most everybody throws for 4,000 yards, he's thrown for 4,000 yards both the past two years. And those are with two bad teams. So it's helped out. They're behind late. He accumulates some yards. Really not a, he's not a guy that's throwing for 5,000 yards.

He's not even close. You're trying to get him to being something that he's not. Man, if you, he's tired of being disrespected, no. Derrick Carr is exactly who you think he is. He's capable of exactly what you think he's capable of.

And the only outliers are, you know, the year they made the playoffs, they went for it on fourth down more than anybody in the league and got it. So I agree with Lincoln while disagreeing with Lincoln. Lincoln Kennedy was a great player for the Raiders. Good broadcaster. He's like, look, it's put up a shut up time. I agree.

The Raiders agree. But he's not capable of being anybody other than himself. And like if 25 touchdowns and 10 and or something, perceptions isn't enough, it probably isn't, then he's not the guy. And you're putting off the inevitable. And this is what we do so oftentimes in relationships. Right? Where are you like, ah, you put off the inevitable to rhyme music with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Doug, Lincoln Kennedy, also one of our cohorts. here at Fox Sports Radio. You can hear him every Saturday morning alongside Anthony Gargano. Me and Lincoln go back

a bit. I was actually his producer before I was yours. All right, so don't tell him when I said, what UCLA? For some reason, Jonathan Ogden and his career intersected. I know Jonathan Ogden played for the Ravens and he was the Raiders. Lincoln, one of the all-time great guys. A great dude, right? Oh, I mean,

incredibly nice and humble for how just absolutely massive he is and could just crush you if he wanted to and also how great of a player he was, both in college and the NFL. All right, we'll pick up and stick with some NFL here, Doug. Rookie quarterback, Heisman Sensation, NCAA college football champion, Joe Burrow. Got drafted number one overall by the Cincinnati Bengals and apparently already making an impact, according to his teammates, veteran tied-in, C.J. Usama, he knows his stuff.

He's making the appropriate reads and checks. He's going to be one of the boys for sure. He has a certain confidence in himself And you can tell he has the confidence in us To do what we need to do I like him so far And what he brings to the table That poise he has

That moxie, it's nice I like Joe bro You know I was talking with Jordan Palmer Who we know we've had him on Of course he played in a football Quarterback guru Former Bengal That's right

And he was saying like Look Like people keep saying he doesn't have this big arm And he doesn't but they think they've uncovered the fundamental flaw. Oh. Yeah, it was interesting. He was like, look, guys, you want to be on your toes.

Because you always, your whole life of your thought that on your toes, the football position, you're more athletic that way. But when you, when you throw a football, you actually want to be, like, have all your cleats in the ground. And that's how he was losing power. Be interesting to see if that is, if it's that much of a fix. It's like Lamar Jackson, who is wildly inaccurate when he was at Louisville. There's some footwork things that he's changed that's allowed him to be far more accurate. And I wonder if Joe Burroughs is much the same.

And the Bengals are a team. Look, their defense was trash. Two years ago was the worst defense, until like the last two weeks of season, worst defense statistically in the history of the league. Yeah, they had like a six-week run where no one had given up more points. I called a game. I got a chance to do play-by-play for a game. Saints Bengals is my first game.

First game, you don't play-by-play. the Saints never punted. Didn't punt the whole game. The thing was over in like two minutes and two hours in 30 something minutes. It was so fat because it would just never punted. But like you got AJ Green, you got mixing, you got a couple, the offensive line is rebuilt. Like I don't think it's, I don't think it's crazy to think they could be decent this year. And by the, I know what I think is by a decent.

I mean, we talk about the Browns. You couldn't get much worse. I mean, the Bengals didn't try it up for the number one pick, mind you. They were that bad. So I'm not sure how much worse they could get. Last year's first round picked in line didn't play. That's right. So, yeah, I think they got a chance to be pretty good.

Yeah, hopefully a healthy AJ Green should make for a good target for him. Well, it's also, it's not just AJ Green, but like, look what it does to Tyler Boyd. Now, Tyler Boyd, you know, becomes the number two wide receiver. And then remember, they drafted T. Higgins as well. Right. who, again, not a probably number one, maybe not a number two, not a slot, but a third now, you know. So I don't hate what the Bengals are building.

I don't know if they can stop anybody. Yeah, that's, we shall see what happens with Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. In the NBA, Doug, some breaking news as of last hour. The Pelicans announced that Zion Williamson will sit out tonight against the Washington Wizards, the second half of a back-to-back. them getting the loss to the Kings yesterday. So Zion Williamson on a minutes restriction and not playing back-to-backs inside the NBA bubble.

Hmm. Look, they're telling you all they want to tell you without telling it to you. They got to be concerned. They got to be concerned. I guess my question is, like, if a guy's struggling with his weight, I mean, I guess you think you might hurt himself,

but wouldn't you think more exercise would be good? Yeah, you would think. It's certainly been, the Zion thing has been such an interesting dynamic inside the bubble. When you look at just the stats on the paper, when he's scoring 24 points in 26 minutes or 20 points in 22 minutes on 10 for 12 shooting and things like that, you almost find yourself going, I mean, this guy is just the second coming of LeBron James. It's incredible. but then when you actually watch him play you're like does running hurt him?

It looks like running is painful for him. Like he's slow and mechanical almost and you just wonder if he really is going to be as great as we all hope he would be playing 20 minutes a game and not playing back to back. It's certainly not going to get you there.

And last one here in the NBA, Doug. LeBron James talking to Joe Varden of the athletic. They were asking about the, struggles in shooting that you've been talking about and that the Lakers have had not just all season long, but especially here inside the Orlando bubble. LeBron gave, quote, a weird answer about this. He agreed that he and the Lakers were looking for a rhythm on offense. Then he said, quote, it's just some things that you can't control that's here that I really don't want to talk about that's off the floor. Varden writes, what did he mean? The food, the fishing, tea times not being

abundant enough. I wrote down on a piece of paper what I thought he meant, showed it to him. His answer was, heck nah. So whatever. It's just an interesting thing to hear, obviously something on the Bron James' mind beyond Anthony Davis and other teammates putting up bricks that they're throwing out there. Do you think the guys aren't dedicated enough to getting shots up? I get. Apparently some sort of issue that the Lakers are having off the floor down inside the NBA bubble. I guess we're left to wonder. as you've mentioned, maybe he's upset about perhaps the players that aren't there or in particular one player that's not there in the bubble. I don't care what he says or what anybody says.

They're pissed that Avery Bradley's not there. And they should be. Why are you not there? Like the idea of my family, like, they all have families. Everybody's got a family. you know, and you got to be at home for three months around only your family. So all we're asking for you is three months in return to try and win a championship. Like, yeah, and Aver Bradley has a player option on his deal.

You know, do you think those players want him to opt into that deal next year? I don't. I don't know. And that's Ryan, music with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. I don't know how a cutter truly works. Do you?

It's one of those things that we all talk about. Like I think cover two defenses. Cover two defenses, most people, because you play Madden, you know how it works, right? You're like, oh, they got two safeties high. Everybody was like, cover two. It's a man under his zones because you play. But we all say like, well, look at that cutter.

Look at that cutter. but how does it actually work? You know what? Let's ask a guy who might have the nastiest cutter in baseball right now. Dustin May from the L.A. Dodgers, he might have, might have the best cutter. He definitely has the best hair. He joins us in the Herb on Fox Sports Radio.

Okay, so grab a baseball and explain to me what, it's two seam cutter. That means so your fingers are on the seams, right? You're not going cross seams. That's a four seamer. How does it cutter work? I mean, for me, I kind of grip it like a four seam, and I just kind of cock it kind of up a little bit. And then I just try to pull across and just kind of let the grip work. I don't really try to manipulate it too much because I don't want it to be too big.

I just kind of try to throw it as hard as I can and just kind of let the grip work so it's small and tight. Okay. I mean, you make it sound so easy. the estimated amount of horizontal movement on your cutter, 17 inches. Mani Machado looked like a child when you struck him out the other night down at Petco.

Why does yours move so much more than some others move? Are you talking about my two seamer or my cutter? Well, okay, so there's a difference? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So the two seamer is just a fastball and your fastball has cutter-type movement? Is that fair?

No, no, no, the two seam is what I struck Machado out with. That one goes to the right. My cutter goes to the left. So it's about putting pressure. You put a pressure on your right finger. And when you're right, I assume it, your right finger. Your index finger, when you're going to make it cut to the right and then in the middle finger, is it the pressure or is it something different with your hands that makes the cut or cut to your left?

So it's the grip on the baseball. So when I throw a two seam, I grip it on. like the middle of the baseball with the two seams that are on the top. And then I just throw that and it just comes out of my, the way that my arm goes is like a low three-quarter slot. So the two-seam plays really well off of that. And then the cutter, as I described earlier, I grip it like a four seam and I just kind of like turn it up a little bit

and just try to pull through it. So it goes to the left. When did this, like when you're in high school, I mean, I know you're a third rounder just in Texas. I'm looking at pictures of you pitching in high school. Like how is this kind of evolved into where, obviously, you have to have kind of the explosive power, but you also have this movement. When has it evolved to being like this dynamic pitch? Did you have it this much in high school or something that you've developed here in the last year or two?

No, I definitely didn't have it in high school. I've completely changed my repertoire since high school because our player development staff helped a lot. But I developed it in. in, what was 18 spring training is when I kind of learned how to throw the two-seam. And then, like, middle of the way through the 18 season in minor leagues and Rancho was when I learned how to throw a cutter. And it just played off my two-seam really well. So we thought that it was a good mix to have, so we kept it.

When was the last time you had short hair in the back? Short hair would have been my junior year in high school. So what was it? girlfriend, was it your friends, was it watching baseball on TV? When did you decide, let's just let it go here? Let's just let it get curly and let it get fluffy and let it get big and have that big hair swag. I mean, honestly, it was just like a thought in my head. I was like, I'm just not going to cut my hair.

It's just like, I want to leave it and then kind of see where it goes. And then I liked it once it got long, so I just didn't cut it. How much time do you daily put into the hair? Daily, not too much. but when I have to wash it, probably like 30 minutes. It takes a lot of time to wash and, like, get it prepped so it doesn't look too bad. Okay, so how often do you watch? Like, I figure almost every time I shower, I wash my hair.

That sounds like that you don't do that. How often I, but I also don't have a ton of hair left. Like, you got this beautiful main, you know, how often you wash it? I wash it normally every other day, every three day. it's not really great for your hair to wash every day. So I wash it every other day to every three days, depending on, like, what I'm doing that day. Or if it's just like I feel like it's dirty, it needs to be washed. Dustin May, joining us in the herd.

Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin. I mentioned it was the two seam you struck out many with. What is that like? What is that feeling like of being on a mound and watching great hitters? and you throw something that's just so filthy that they have no chance. What is that feeling like inside of you? I mean, honestly, that pitch, I didn't realize how much it was inside until, like, after the game when I was getting blown up with, like, mentions and stuff.

But, I mean, because whenever I threw it, I kind of, like, spun off and, like, walked to the dugout, so I didn't really realize how far it was in. But, I mean, watching the video, it was kind of crazy. I didn't really realize. You're almost doing a self-pat. You're like, man, that was, that was nice. Yeah, it was pretty good. What has this been like?

You guys are, it's a different type of bubble, right? A different type of quarantine. Like, you saw what happened, obviously, with the Marlins. What's it been like for you guys with this short season thus far? Too bad. I mean, we just have the safety protocols. And I mean, it's kind of like you're on your own. So you've got to go handle your own business.

don't do something stupid and go out and go out and get it. I mean, we got a job to do, so we've got to protect ourselves as well. So we have to be able to protect ourselves and get the job done on the field, so we don't want to do something stupid off the field to prevent that. Dustin, Dustin May, joining us from the L.A. Dodgers. Of course, 15 strikeout so far on this young season. Dodgers continue to play well. They've won their last two, beat the Padres.

They've won four of their last five. Now they got a series starting at Chavez Ravine with the San Francisco Giants. How many masks do you have? How many masks? Yeah. Do you have like one like go-to that's starting to stink? Or do you got a bunch of rotation? How many masks are you?

I've got probably like 10 at the field that we got at the start of the season that I just kind of rotate through and throw on my loop to get washed every day. So they don't really stink. And then at the house, I've got a lot of the decisions. disposable ones and then a few cloth ones that after I wear a couple times on the cloth ones, I just take to the field and throw them on my loop to get washed. Yeah, yeah. I don't really, I don't really wear them too long before. I need to wash them just because of germs and stuff and trying to be smart about it.

But that's kind of, I mean, I honestly, I have no idea how many I have. There's quite a few. Okay, fair enough. I just didn't know if you did you have, like, a personalized mask? Have you gotten to the point to where now you have, like, your own personalized masks, your own like emblem. These are mine. This is what,

this is what I roll with. No, no, I don't have any of those. Okay, where were you? I'm trying to think, where were you, it was, it wasn't the night you pitch,

it was the night before you guys pitch when you guys, when you won on the throw from left field, but it wasn't, it wasn't jock in left field, was it, it was Chris Taylor, right?

That was the, that was the night after I pitched. We were in San Diego, and I was sitting in the stands, and Chris Taylor threw it from left field. But I was sitting in the stands, and then as soon as he threw it, we all jumped up and ran out to the field.

You know, and then on your way out there, you're like, social distancing, social distancing, don't hug each other. Yeah, we got to stay social distance, and we're not allowed to do high-fives and stuff. So it's kind of a different feeling, but, I mean, we got to deal with it so we can play. So it's not too bad.

No, no, no, better throw that one or Mookies earlier in the year from right field to third base? You know, honestly, I want to have to say the throw to home, but Mookies was more like, just like turn and throw and throw. And he didn't really have time to set up. So, I mean, I don't know. They were both ridiculous. That's hard to choose. But, I mean, I guess I have to say the one to home because it saved a run and won the game. It's pretty, it's got to be like, look, you haven't been doing this that long, obviously, in the Biggs.

Like, have you, do you ever stop? Like, I'm playing with this freaky, like, freaky talented team. We are so loaded. You got, you know, you got Chris Taylor in left who doesn't, you know, he plays everywhere, obviously. You got bets throwing dudes out. You got all this talent. Curse still getting it done. Like, has there been a pinch yourself?

I cannot believe that by the time I break through in the Biggs, I'm surrounded by all this talent. No, 100%. It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of just like strong players that we have and the amount of depth that we have in the organization, like after our big name guys. It's insane just to think how the Dodgers have built this kind of like empire that we have right now of just strength. It's ridiculous.

All right. Last thing, Dustin May joining us here. the herd. You mentioned you were in the stands and they have, you know, that some of these, some places have like the, the people, the cardboard cutouts. There's some places that have the stuff bears, right? There's some that are just, you know, empty seats. Now they're starting to cover it up. As a player, what do you like, what do you like the best to see when you're on the, when you're on the mound in terms of what's in the stands? Honestly, it doesn't really matter. I mean, they're not cheering, so it doesn't matter how many cardboard cutouts or fluffy bears they have in the stands.

It doesn't really matter to me because they're not cheering and they're not being loud. So, I mean, it's just fans paying to be in the stands. I mean, it's kind of cool to see, but, I mean, they don't make noise, so it doesn't really make it different. Is it make it better, make it worse? Like, what is that like? No, it honestly doesn't change. I mean, it's just a different look in the stand. for me at least.

I think it's kind of funny whenever I'm walking around and you take like a quick look and it's like, is that a person? And it's like, oh, no, that's just cut out. So, but when I'm on the mound, it's no different. All right.

It's got to be also weird how much you're going to pitch against. Like you last pitched against the Padres. Your next start is against the Padres. It's like we're playing the Padres. You're playing the Padres again and again and again. It's got a hamster on the wheel a little bit. No, it is.

We play the same teams a lot this year. because of the way that they have the schedule structured. But, I mean, hey, we're getting to play baseball, so I'm excited to play. No doubt about it. We'll keep playing it and playing it well. Take care of that hair once every four or five days when you do wash it. Live that dream for the rest of us, and thanks for joining us. All right.

Thank you for having me. That's Dustin May. Justin, Texas. Justin Texas, there's Justin Boots. I believe they're from Justin, Texas as well. All right, coming up next, we have a great best for last. and it, I think you're going to agree with my number one because our best for last

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We know that there's still a long way to go as plans continue to change every day, but we have a constant voice in the discussion. Yeah, I think the general irritant to people who have been through the system of being a college student athlete is this idea of, of exploitation is a false claim. It just is. You are promoted. You are supported. You're promoted. Yes. Are you, are you an advertisement for the university? Absolutely. But it allows you to grow your own personal brand so that, for example, in Ohio State Kid, you get done playing. You have all these great experiences. You have a college degree. Maybe you most of them have a chance to play in the NFL. And if you don't, when you go to apply for a job, you put yourself up against any other

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We compiled a list with the crack staff of the best movie action movie franchises. And here's what we came up with. Number 10. Dirty. Hairy. Make my day. Dirty Harry Make my day

The films aren't great But there's a lot of action You gotta like Remember the time Doesn't totally hold up Right But it is Clint Eastwood

He was a badass This is not the right turn Clyde No it's not those ones Dirty Harry was We'll put that number 10 Number 9 John Wick Haven't seen one

But they're making a fourth and a fifth when it's pretty expensive to make movies. And Keanu Reeves, like him or dislike him, he's been in some huge, huge, huge movies. Hey, the Matrix isn't on here. Is that, oh, that's because that's like sci-fi? Yes. It's action. Action.

I was like, it's my, I ranked them. I didn't pick all. All right. That's number. Number eight. Fast and the furious. Fast and the furious. Obviously some huge names, long-running franchise.

I've lost count. I think they've done eight, maybe nine. I don't know. Number seven. Rambo! First blood. Um, yes. The number of bullets fired to people actually hit by said bullets is like classic 80s movie.

What, they got the worst aim of all time, just spraying places with bullets and he never gets hit. But it had the, Vietnam vet, kind of goes crazy, Pacific Northwest. Who didn't watch and enjoy Rambo? Number six. Mission Impossible. This message will self-destruct, right? I mean, Tom Cruise is the same character in every movie he's ever in,

except for maybe born in the Fourth of July. Even then, he's cocky, whatever. But Mission Impossible is pretty good. The stunts are unreal. It's like a, it's a poor man's bond. Number five. We'll put Indiana Jones there. Now, the problem in Indiana Jones is number four was atrocious and Temple of Doom, frankly, wasn't good.

But, you know, Raiders was amazing. And the last crusade, Sean Connery, we named the Dog Indiana. Pretty good, Indiana Jones at five. Number four. The Born series. Great books. Matt Damon is outstanding. All right?

Born ones are good. Number three. We'll go Bond. We'll go Bond. incredible first scene always ends up with a woman no matter who the bond is, they're always cooler than you. Love the gadgets.

Bon. Number two. Die hard, Yippie Kaya, right? It did go one, maybe too long or maybe two too long. But if you think of Annex Skywalk, the Annex Skywalk, Dulles, that's

two. And of course, one is Yippie Kaye, Nakatomi Tower, which is on the Fox Fox Law, right next to the Fox Law, right? That's number two. Number one. Leath a weapon. Because it's a combined buddy movie, buddy cop movie, and action movie.

And then they bring in Joe Pesci and Chris Rock, and that kind of saves the franchise later on there with Mel Gibson and Danny Glover. The number one action movie franchise of all time is Lethal Weapon. And I will hear nothing. Are you guys feeling older? Neither am I. If you're not ready to give up, I'm never ready to give up. If you want a few more energized and lean, try MDrive. Check it out at MDrive for Men.com.

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