The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Legends of the fall

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

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The Chargers ever came up to Los Angeles. Some people said never root for them again, but sports is powerful and what you love at 10, 12, and 13. You often love for life. Rich Orimberger played for the Patriots and the Chargers. Popular co-host, Biggeridge, TD, and Fletch, San Diego, 7, 6, 9 in the morning. very popular show. And, you know, the Chargers have always been semi-cursed.

But they had some good coaches. Marty Schott-Nimer was a great coach. Don Coriel was a great coach. They've had coaches and quarterbacks. I think they have the quarterback. In fact, I know they do. But I watched Brandon Staley, and you and I were talking during the break. Apparently, he was a good coordinator.

But you played in this game. You talked to athletes. I don't like to be a bully. I don't get it. I think they give, as a defensive coordinator, their defense drives me nuts. Are you seeing the same thing? Completely agree with you. Completely agree with you.

Look, there are some brilliant coordinators around the National Football League that should never become head coaches. And Brandon Staley is one of them. I just don't think he has some of the things that intangibly you need to have to be a great head coach or to run a great franchise. Look, I mean, in order to be a great team, a great franchise, you need to have four things in my opinion. It's a quarterback who's great and durable. You need to have a great culture builder and also a great decision maker at the helm of your program. And the chargers have neither right now. From a decision-making standpoint, I think many of the decisions on fourth down in crucial moments, critical moments are bad. Frankly, I mean, to put it in very plain English, are just bad. And some of them unconscionable. Like you just, you don't do some of the things that we've already seen this season.

A game on the line in Minnesota, you could punt it away and trust your defense to put away Vikings teams that had a hard time scoring. And then obviously they gave the game away in the end and Kirk Cousin' Stores to pick in the end zone. And we saw how that game. But they limped away with a win in Minnesota. That could have been a much easier win if you had a better decision maker. And then on top of it, from a culture standpoint, you need trust. remember last year,

Keenan Allen tweeted out, what are we doing after one of these fourth down decisions? And him and Keenan had to have a sit down, and Brandon Staley said that they were closer on the other side of the tweet. And of course, the receiver deleted it. But that's one of your veterans in the locker room, who has the pulse on what's going on in the locker room, and has strong opinions.

I just don't think it's a fit. I just don't think it's a fit. So you know the Patriots as well. You were there for years. You were six years in the NFL. And during that time, it was sort of a do-your-job, head down, take less money, grind. But the world changes. I'm in TV and radio.

We didn't have podcasting or streaming, right? Like the world changes. They are so tone-def offensively, no more illustrated than Jacoby Myers, who had more catches, touchdowns four years younger than Devonte Parker. They let him go. keep Parker, and now Jacoby, with a coach we don't like, and Jimmy Garoppolo's having a fine year, and he was the only receiver who could separate in the building. They just don't know skill people. They don't know what. Now, the rushing has gone downhill. Is it fair to say, was a legend,

games passed him by, build him a statue, get an offensive coach. Is that hyperbolic? I believe it is, but I'm loyal to a fault. Like, if you, ever need a Colin Cowherd defender because you have put me on your show early in my broadcast and career and off and I will go to the hilt for you, my friend. I've been like this my whole life. I played for great coaches and Bill Belichick's one of them. As a matter of fact, my high school coach just retired from coaching. Shout out to Vinnie Masia East Meadow High School. And that's a guy who there was a point where people were calling for his job. And he persevered and he ended up winning more after that. The same could be true for Bill Belichick.

Now, he's 71. Obviously, he has a lot more yesterday's log than tomorrow's. But I think what happened a little bit here in Foxborough is pride. I think that they should have stuck with Tom Brady. I think that Tom Brady was a torchbearer for the Patriot way for many, many years. And whatever it would cost to keep him, whether it's give him a little bit more personnel control, a little bit more decision-making control, find a way to work with him until his career's over because we saw how successful he was in Tampa Bay during his time with the Buccaneers, I think he should have found a way to make that work. So does pride come before the fall? I mean, it's biblical. Yeah, yeah. And that could be the case in New England. But I'm putting my full trust in somebody who's the architect of 20 years of success at the NFL level.

And I'd rather be on that side and be wrong than jump to conclusions and say he can't do it anymore. So I want to talk, you went to Penn State, Ohio State, Penn State this weekend. I actually think Michigan's the best team in the country. And I think Penn State's better than Ohio State, but it's hard to win in college football on the road. I went to Washington, Oregon this weekend. I thought Oregon when all said and done was better, but Washington won because they had a better quarterback, and that's the way college football is.

But a story that developed this weekend is, oh my gosh, Caleb Williams is human. The Trojans are very popular where you broadcast. It's San Diego, is a big Trojan town. And when Lincoln Riley came here, I was all for it. And I still am. But like Colorado football, it's a little bit too much about the coach and the quarterback and not about the whole. It feels a little fancy and flashy.

What did you make of USC getting ripped apart? They don't do much well except like pass with Williams. What do you make of Caleb, Lincoln, and currently USC? Everybody in L.A. is selling stock now. Yeah, look, you still have a whole other side of the football that you need to key on if you're USC, and that's the defense. I feel like it's the forgotten son in this whole conversation. Caleb Williams is amazing, but he has to be in order for USC to have success. There is no off-night allowed for Taylor Williams.

I mean, like, because guess what, whoever's facing the U.S.C. Trojans score in 40. And that's how it's going to look until they fix that side of the football. So look, as great of a talent as Caleb Williams is and he is, I agree with you. Part of the reason that makes Michigan such an outstanding football team is they're a very complete football team. They minimize mistakes offensively, strong running game, great defense. Actually, Penn State is built up very similar this year. I think that obviously talented down position to position, the Wolverines may have the edge in that debate, but I'll digress. And in terms of going on the road and beating the Buckeyes, like my undefeated Penn State team did, at least up until that point, did back in 2008.

That was a beautiful win at the horse show, and I'll never let them forget it. History can repeat itself. And it was in October. Oh, it was in October. But, yeah, getting back to the U.S. Trojans, you have got to play defense to win a national championship in college football, and they play zero defense. Yeah. I want to circle back one more question. on the NFL. The dolphins are on a historic pace. I've called them the speedboat of the NFL,

beautiful August, September, early October, in the Atlantic in January, useless. I don't see it. I love watching it. I just don't buy it in January, February with a quarterback from Hawaii. What do you make of what we're seeing? Because you've got to go back to the 50s for numbers like this. No, it has a team ever matched their environment better than the dolphins. I mean, the dolphins are wearing a silk shirt, unbuttoned, three buttons down. They got the big chain, the big watch. They're stepping out of a fancy car. But I mean, is that the guy you're bringing home to your family at Thanksgiving? The answer is absolutely not. It's not going to work all year. It'll work for the warm months, but I'm completely in agreement with you. And plus, the one thing

we learned about the dolphins in their game against the Patriots, AFC rival, in the game against the Bills is they're front runners. This is a team built to play with a lead. When they're in close games where they're being challenged offensively, not like a shootout like they won in L.A. I'm talking about a close game. An ugly win is what you're fighting for. They're going to struggle. And guess what? As the season ticks on, as it gets colder in those in those October, late October, November months, as you start to smell the Thanksgiving turkey and you're starting to unpack the Christmas presents, right? All of those times as those are when those frontrunner teams really run out of some gas and those high-powered offenses come down to Earth a little bit. And then on top of it,

going back to what I said originally about how you make a great franchise, you want a head coach who's a great decision maker and a great culture builder. Check and check. Mike McDaniels both those things. You need a great quarterback who's durable. I have huge questions. about Tua, as I'm sure everybody else does. I'll believe it when I see it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that

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and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

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sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Big Rich, TD & Fletch, Sports 760, AM daily, 6 to 9 in the morning. He just does a great job. Always contextualize his stuff. College or pro. Rich Orrumburger, always welcome on our show. I think Penn State, boy, if it wasn't in the shoe, I'd take Penn State to win.

I really would. It's close. It's a field goal game. I said this. I said, I watched Oregon, Washington this weekend. USC's not close to those teams. They're just not. And I watch Michigan Penn State.

I don't think Ohio State's as good as those teams. But, man, Ohio State, I don't know if Ohio State can block Penn State up front. Can they? No. Can they? You don't think so? No, I don't think. I think, and that's, if I'm James Franklin and I'm interfering with the defensive meetings, that's what I'm saying.

Get this quarterback off his spot. He's not a veteran out there. This is a guy who had a weight in line like a lot of Ohio State quarterbacks. Get him off his spot. This is the biggest game that he's played in in his college career so far. Make him uncomfortable the whole night. Maybe he'll cough up a couple of possessions to us. We are.

Yeah. Penn State. Yes, you are. Rich, it's great seeing you, buddy. Great to see you, too, Colin. Thank you. All right. Yeah, we put him on years ago, and he has earned his spot.

He does great work. Excellent work. J-Mack, you're looking at those lines right now. What looks tasty? Well, I think we'll talk about it here. You want to do the news? J-Mack, what the news. No, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I love how you know where my mind is at. I watch you. over there, wrestling with stuff. I know what it is. Yeah. I need to bounce back after that.

Chargers game really shook me last night, man. Can I admit to you I had a few drinks, like the fourth quarter? I'm like, you never drink. I rarely drink, yeah. But I was just, I could see the frustration setting in for the Chargers. I didn't. I just disappointed. I go dry mostly except tonight.

I'm not a big, I'm not a big boozehound. Like, I drank in my 20s to meet girls and have fun. And like, you know, I'm not doing it. I'm drinking my 50s to dull. the pain. What pain? Give me a break. All right, anyways, there have been conflicting reports about Deshawn Watson's return from his shoulder injury. Kevin Stefanski has not provided a concrete update saying he is day to day. We'll know more this week. Colin, you know, it's not that we're suspect of what's going on. It just feels weird. There is something. I

didn't put him on my top 10 and I think they have the best defense in the league. I, hasn't the question with Cleveland, our entire lives, never been talent, it's always been leadership. My entire life, they've had good coaches, they've had good players, they've had good defenses, they've had great receivers, leadership. And something doesn't feel right. But I'm not going to guess on physical stuff, medical stuff, but it's weird. I mean, PJ Walker's fine for a game.

Well, no, no, no, by the way, you and Nick had some PJ Walker stuff. Like, PJ Walker, the numbers say he was atrocious, one of the worst quarterbacks this week. Like, he was very bad. Purdy wasn't amazing, but he's facing a great defense. So Cleveland could go on the road with PJ Walker against Indy after registering, like, the biggest win of the season, maybe, taking down the Niners. Brown's Colts. Could you stomach Indy in this spot? Can you take them here?

No. I don't like betting games I don't want to watch. I have, I don't like it. Now I don't, I stay away from like Monday night football. Usually last night I got burned on Monday night football. I generally stay away from the big TV game of the week and the Atlanta Falcons. I'll bet anybody else. The big TV game of the week is usually the sharpest line.

And they weren't dealing a three. It was two and a half, two and a half, two and a half. Where you could get a couple weeks ago, I went five and oh, I had four of my picks in the one o'clock window or the 10 a.m. window. So those lines are, you know, my two big winners this week were Baltimore, 6.30 in the morning out west and 10 in the morning, Cincinnati. But later it goes, the sharper the lines. Accurate, yeah. I just think be careful with the Browns off this, folks.

I know people like, oh, Cleveland, they can just beat 49ers. You know how this league is. They want parody. Would not be surprised if Indies showed up. Next up, NBA, Colin, the Warriors Big Three could be coming to an end sooner than rather than later. Clay Thompson is looking for his next deal, and according to Woj, there has been no progress on an extension. Both sides appear far apart on years and money, adding there's a very real possibility.

Clay is going to be headed to free agency next year without a deal. Now, putting your Draymond Green bromance aside, I mean, the Warriors without Clay Thompson, it's tough for me to imagine them. What did they draft? What did they draft this year? A Santa Clara kid who can hit threes is a catch-and-shoot shooter. They're going to have him come into the league this year. He'll be a backup.

He'll play 12 minutes a night. Get into the rotation. Following year. Well, that's very optimistic. They have a whiffed on draft picks in the last few years. Well, not all of them. Excuse me? James Wiseman?

He's already gone. Jonathan Cominga, last chance. Who was the other? Moses Moody will see? I mean, that draft had Anthony Edwards and Lamello Ball. But, you know, the Santa Clara kid, let's see, supposedly he's good. The interesting thing is they're now telling Clay, hey, you need to make room for Chris Paul. We want you to defend power forwards.

Have you seen this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not going to fit here much longer. And a lot of the reports are saying, well, Clay can defend up because of his length and his smarts. And I'm like, that's not going to. What? For the record, Clay can come back down here and play for the clippers or Lakers. His dad's down near.

Everybody in the league needs a catch-and-shoe guy. Clay can play for a long time in this league. Listen, I know he's a good defender. It's tough to imagine Clay at the four. No, he's not. I know they want to go ultra small, but... If Clay wanted to play seven more years in this league, catching and shooting threes, it'd probably be a space for him.

Some guys age well, catch and shoot guys in this league age well. And he's a good kid. Good guy. Yeah. Final story to college football number one ranked Georgia's path to the Natty took a massive hit yesterday when it was announced that the Great Tight End Brock Bowers underwent tightrope surgery, whatever that is,

to repair an ankle injury suffered in the win over Vanderbilt. Colin, this is a massive loss. He is a superstar. I wouldn't come back. I'm not playing any more college football. I'll be honest. I don't know if George was winning the Natty without him.

People can laugh and say he's a tight end. They're saying four to six weeks, maybe he's back. I'm not playing the SEC title game. Any more college games. I've already won a Natty. Haven't they won back-to-back natties? So the kids won two natties, help lead you to natties.

Been an amazing Georgia bulldog. You recruited at a high level. Thanks for flying United. I'm done playing. Look at that schedule. If my son was a tight end, I'd say, hey, you want them two natties, pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.

They got plenty of good tight ends. Not as good as you, but four five-star tight ends all over the program. I'm not coming back for a game and risking an injury. And it would probably be a game against, I'm assuming Alabama in the SEC title. Yeah, I'm not, no.

So, here's the interesting thing. Georgia recruits two five-star, four-star tight-ins every year. This kid walked on a campus and as a true freshman was like, starting and making plays. I do wonder, this Kyle Pitts thing in the NFL, like Kyle Pitts is not looking amazing. Kincaid is like, I think he was inactive last week. Like tight end, rookie tight ends don't do much.

This could mean Bowers drops in the draft a little bit, and I think that would be a major steal. This kid, for my money, like you watch him, and he's always open. Listen, like Kyle Pat Pitts, I thought he ran better. Yeah, he's. It's weird. I watched him in college, and I thought, you know, he runs really well. I thought he was as good at tight-end prospect, and it just, he just feels...

He did score over the weekend. I'm on my fantasy team. It's just... Underwhelming. Yeah, now, of course, Desmond Ritters is quarterback and an old Matt Ryan. We should probably be fair. Okay. I suppose that's fair.

Still, like, if you're a tight end, get open. By the way, the kid Mayor from Notre Dame, finally had a great game with the Raiders from Brian Hoyer. Like, he was like a targeted and was beating guys. I love Mayor coming in. out, Notre Dame, with Brock Bowers. So who's going to win the national champion?

Is this Michigan's year? I think Michigan's the best team I've seen. That's the one ticket I got in Vegas. Texas is arguably the most talented team I've seen with Georgia. I think Michigan's the best team. And all the critics of Jim Harbaugh. Yep, yap, yap, yap for eight years.

The internet apparently went down in all of their houses. Can't find one on a Reddit board. So what does it do for Harbaugh? is he more likely to stay if they win the Natty or stay if they do not win the national championship? Or I think he's more likely to stay in both scenarios. I do think if the Chargers called with Justin Herbert,

he would listen. And that's why I think Michigan is already working on a deal. I think Staley, if it continues to go this way, and I'm not rooting for anybody to be dismissed, could be gone on Thanksgiving. Harbaugh cannot sign that deal at Michigan until you see what NFL jobs are over. Well, there's only one I'd want.

It's the Chargers. Things happen, man. I mean, you don't know what else is going on around the league and some of these teams. Things could go off the rails. Tell me another one that could be – well, Dallas could be open, but he's not leaving for Dak. He's not leaving for a B quarterback that's going to get paid $48 million a year. He's not doing that. Okay.

Tell me who's drafting Drake Bank. Would Jim Harbaal leave for a quarterback on a rookie deal with some potential around the roster? Chicago Bears. I think he'd consider it if he had personnel power. I think he'd consider it. Michigan's a pretty good job, though, dude. What's better? Chicago Bears or Michigan football?

What's better? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Does Michigan have the championship? Do they have the national championship? Did he bring them the title? Well, no, no. What is a better job?

Just on the surface, Michigan humming or the Bears are rack? Well, the Bears right now are a train wreck. Well, they've been a train wreck for about, and at the last 20 years, they've been a train wreck 15 of them. Yeah, but if Jim wins the title, what is Ler Left to prove? I beat Ohio State. I got us the Big Ten. championship and we won a national championship. I'm out. I'm done. If I have a good ratings week,

what's there to prove? Crushing the next week. What do you mean if I have a nanny? Like one? He doesn't have a Super Bowl. He lost in the Super Bowl. I got news for you. To his young. Natties or potato chips. Can't just have one. Everybody needs two. A lot of guys. A lot of guys want a natty. How many guys have won a natty and a Super Bowl? That's in play for Jim Harbaugh. Jimmy Johnson. That's immortal status right there. Two titles in Ann Arbor, whoopty-do. Super Bowl and the national championship. It ain't saying whoopty-do in Ann Arbor.

I'm telling you right now, Michigan football is a better job than Chicago Bears. Time out. Yeah, okay, fine. Yes, I'll give it. It is. It's a better job. That being said, next year after Michigan's won a title, what's a better job? Drake, Maine, or Caleb Williams at Michigan.

No. After you win the championship? So what? You won the title. Go win a Super Bowl. You make it sound like after I get married, all the good times are done. Marriage gets better over time. It does, yeah.

I mean, Michigan after a nattie? What do you think my recruiting is going to be like then? Nothing left to prove, though. Nothing. Well, you can't live life all on what I have to prove. Isn't quality of life and quality of your children's life? That means something. I don't know where Harbaugh's kids are, age-wise.

I don't know where he is. Does he want Big City or does he want the burbs? Like, I don't know. You tell me, get him on the show. Nate, I love Harbaugh on the show. Come on, Jim. Step it up. I've had him on a couple times.

One didn't go so well. I think I remember that one. Yes, yes, yes. He's a little ornery. I just think, I don't think there's a lot of jobs better than Michigan. And just because you win a Natty, how about this? You know the old saying Big Man on campus?

How about you win a Natty? take your beautiful family to Italy for a couple weeks. Come back. What's it like in the fall? The following year at me. You know what it is? Hop on a plane, Jim. You got a bi-week.

Hop on a plane and go see this recruit in Des Moines. That's what it's like. No, you're not doing that in Chicago. They got good corn and chili in Des Moines. That's what I want to do. Hop on a bird on my bye week to Iowa. No disrespect to Des Moines, of course. I'm sure it's lovely.

I've been there. It is lovely. Really? Yeah. Okay. You've got to get out of the house once a while in M.B. The beach. J. Mack, with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Let's see. All right. I'm just checking my sourcing here. Hold on. All right.

We'll take a break back in a second. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hi, this is Jay Glazer. And you may know me for the world of football or fighting or even shows like HBO's ballers. Well, you don't know is for my entire life, I have lived in something I refer to as the gray. depression, anxiety. So now I'm coming out with a new podcast.

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I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball. to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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I mean at this point Mark this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we have spent this hour talking a little bit about, you know, the quarter of In this league, we all know who's good, who's not. And I said, for the people criticizing like Caleb Williams weekend, he checks boxes, super mobile, power arm, mostly accurate, makes good decisions, a lot of years starting and succeeding in the NFL, accurate with the football, mostly. So he checks the boxes. And that's what I would say about Justin Herbert, is if I just said, you want a quarterback and there's five boxes he checks.

Big, smart, mobile, sturdy, accurate. Those are the boxes you check. He's a 4-2 biology major at Oregon who tutored students in his last two years. Big, smart, mobile, sturdy, accurate. He's averaging, completing 69% of his throws. So now, now, Nick Wright was on last hour. And this is the question about him. And I go back to coaches elevate.

quarterbacks. Jared Goff looked like a bus with Jeff Fisher, got to a Super Bowl with McVeigh. Alex Smith looked like a bus was Singletary. He didn't with Harbaugh. You know, if you go back to Matt Stafford with Schwartz, the defensive coordinator to Jim Caldwell, he was a grade better with him. And then he goes to McVane. He wins a Super Bowl. Coaching matters. And Anthony Lynn was a coach, got fired. He's on his third coordinator in what, four years. Brandon Staley is driving most Charger fans, nuts as a defensive coach with a bad defense. But Nick Wright brought up a point I've heard people make, and I think it's fair. Justin Herbert walked into the league. I was watching the game on my couch as a second game, week two of his rookie season, Tyrod Taylor gets stabbed in the

ribs by the team doctor. Herbert is not even supposed to play. He has to play. And I'm like, Oh, man, this guy's going to be a problem for the next 10 years of my life. He was an A-minus quarterback the day he walked into the league. It's been four years. He's an A-minus quarterback. That's my only critique. Is it fair for me to say, at this point in his career, I thought he'd be more? Yes, you thought he would be, but that's because people thought Brian Dayball would be the coach.

and then I think he would be. The Chargers have given him Austin Echler, a good left tackle. I think Quentin Johnson looks like now a bit of a whiff in the first round. Let's give him one more year. Receivers, tight ends often don't hit early. But my takeaway is he has been an A-minus quarterback, but you have to consider what you have. Brock Purdy's got Hall of Famers everywhere and a brilliant offensive coach.

If you look at defensive coaches in the NFL, I haven't done this in a few weeks. Overwhelmingly, the top seven to eight offensive lines in the NFL are offensive coaches. The bottom seven to eight offensive lines in the NFL are defensive coaches. Last night, off a buy is a great example, as JMAQ pointed out. Off a buy, the Chargers had no second pitch on their offensive line and marginalizing or limiting pressure. I think Andy Reid would. I think Sean McVeigh would.

Sean McVeigh has rebuilt this offensive line. He's got a left tackle that's undrafted, a second left tackle playing right guard, a guard playing center, outside of their rookie left guard and their right tackle, Havenstein. It's a below-average O' line. And yet it works.

And yet it protects Matt Stafford. Andy Reid, rebuilt an offensive line in a year. Tomlin, Sean McDermott, Pete Carroll, much as we love him, Look at his O-line this year. Defensive coaches, I do not think it to coincidence. Look at the top 10 O-lines, the bottom 10.

Last night, pressure never solved it. Not once. You can't leave Micah Parsons on an offensive lineman on your right side on an island. And we were talking about this earlier. Outside of Mahomes, list the top 10 quarterbacks. You know, we'll put up a graph. for the top, there's Justin Herbert running for his life again.

If you put up the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL, and this is not exact order, it's 10 very productive quarterbacks. Take out Mahomes. Every one of them, there's a criticism. Josh Allen last year was a red zone disaster. Can't win the big game. Joe Burrow gets hurt a lot.

Trevor Lawrence has regressed this year. Herbert isn't getting better. Lamar Jackson, last two years, can't stay healthy. Matt Stafford, old, reckless. Helen Hertz regressed. Jared Groff, immobile, to a concussion issue, small and not hyper-athletic. I mean, Aaron Rogers, he's going to be 40-off in Achilles Surgery. Russell Wilson, looks like he's past his prime.

Dak Prescott. Last night was one of the best games he's played in two years. It was good. It wasn't spectacular. And we're like, oh my God, Kurt Cousins. Can't win a big game. I mean, start looking at the quarterbacks, not name Mahomes. we've got criticisms of all of them.

What would the bills be without Josh Allen and that O line and that run game and now they're two best defenders out? They'd be terrible. They'd be bad. They couldn't score with Josh Allen against the Giants until the fourth quarter. So my takeaway is, okay, you don't like Justin Herbert.

Go find something better in college. If you go back and look at the last 15 years, the NFL gives us about one great quarterback every other year. and then every year it gives us a solid franchise guy, maybe two for a while. But I mean, the draft does not give you a superstar every year. It gives you a great quarterback, a borough, a Trevor Lawrence, a Malhams. It gives you about one of those a year, 32 teams.

And then it gives you a couple of good guys a year. Not great, but Kirk Cousins-ish. Gives you a couple of those guys a year. So you can criticize Justin Herbert while you're defending him. big sturdy, strong, smart, accurate. Pro bowler. In the division with the chiefs, that's a guaranteed second place,

took him to a playoffs in the AFC, which is much better than the NFC. So I didn't think he played well last night, broken finger left hand and running for his life and no run game. I thought he made it viable. Did you see one time when he got knocked down, he was holding the left hand up so it wouldn't like crash to the ground and reinjured?

Like he was in a weird spot. Another thing I want to add, so the Cleveland Browns were coming off a buy, and they faced the 49ers. Okay? They went out, got Kareem Hunt. They knew DTR. He, you know, struggled against the Ravens. Let's get PJ Walker in there. Okay.

They weren't great, but they did all the right things off the biweek. They looked like they made some adjustments offensively. A lot of running. Nobody runs on the Niners. They rushed for 160 yards. They made adjustments in the by week. I did not see anything from Brandon Staley that was different offensively, and I'm not hammering. this guy because I had hyped him up, but I thought

Kellan Moore was a massive, colossal disappointment. Going against the defense he's familiar with, an opponent he was in the building for multiple years. In fairness, when you can't block the other team, I mean, the Niners could not block the Browns. It's hard. It really blows up everything. If you can get pressure

with four, it's lights out. I mean, Mahalms in a Super Bowl. If you don't have time, it's over. And I think, and that's why quarterback's the most important position in the league. A lot of GMs think number two is a pass rusher. If you don't have a star quarterback, draft a guy that disrupts their star quarterback. So we did see the Cory Lindley missing on the center was big. People don't want to talk about that on the shows. Just let's keep an eye on Lane Johnson

this week, okay, for the Eagles. They've been bullying teams, pushing them around. We know without Lane Johnson, I saw their record without him as like 13 and 22. Yeah. And that goes back to like Super Bowl years with whatever's name was. Now the Dolphins don't have a great pass rush. fair. But if you were playing the Niners, if you were playing the Chargers with two bass rushers, if you were playing the Cowboys, and it feels different. Yeah, the Jalen Carter injury bears watching like that, that Eagles Dolphins game. There's a couple awesome games.

Listen, for all we just hammer the Chargers. Yeah, three hours of mostly Chargers bashing. It's the opportunity to bounce back against a team that I think we agree. Like, chiefs are good, but they haven't looked overwhelming at all this season. No, the Chiefs don't put you away because I don't think the Chiefs can. They don't have that big haymaker knockout. No. I mean, the line's five and a half.

I would take the chargers. Probably, but after last night, a little tough. But that's what you have to do, right? You've got to take some of the ugly ducklings. That's how you win. All right, J. Mack. Rich Ornberger was great. Nick Wright delivered or herd hierarchy as well.

I think we're done talking today. You could do another hour. Joel Klatz on tomorrow. I wonder if he's going to address the Caleb Williams struggles. Oh, well, and also his Colorado Buffalo's, 29-0-0 lead? Kind of embarrassing. They're going to finish over 500 this year? I think they, around there.

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