The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Matt Hasselbeck stops by The Herd

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

3-time Pro Bowler Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to tell Colin why the Dolphins benched QB Tua Tagovailoa and what makes Bills QB Josh Allen the best in the NFL right nowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm going to ask anybody in that bubble that you're just diametrically opposed to, Like, I don't have Jacksonville close because I don't trust them. Who are you dying? You're already smiling. Who are you dying? Well, I was enjoying that. It was super entertaining for me. I was actually just sitting there listening.

Kind of disappointed that I had to come on and talk. I was enjoying it. But, no, you're incomplete, man. Like, you're incomplete. Like, what are we doing? Where are the Pittsburgh Steelers? Where are the Green Bay Packers? And, yes, you're hating on Jacksonville because, who knows why?

Because they're a small marketing. You just feel like hating on them for that reason. They're alive. Listen, I know I'm probably biased. I lost a Super Bowl to a wildcard team that nobody gave a chance. Nobody gave a chance to them. And then they just kept winning and winning and winning. And it's what everybody says.

It's the team that plays the best football at the end of the year. It doesn't matter what you did in September. It doesn't matter what you did two years ago. It does not matter. So the team that's playing the best, I love the fact that you gave Houston all that love. Houston's exactly the kind of team that people are going to overlook and that coaches and players, they're going to turn on that film,

and it's going to be nameless faces on that film, and they're going to be like, dang, like, we got issues here. Like, we got issues going up against this team. We don't want to play that team. And that division even, I mean, Jacksonville is a similar thing. Carolina is a team that people are going to sleep on. That's what's so great about this tournament. Is there a favorite?

Yeah, there's a favorite. It's the L.A. Rams. And I think that the Rams and the Seahawks Thursday night, that could be the best game of the team. entire you know those could be the two best teams in the NFL right there Thursday night and they might see each other again so you know we'll see this this is exciting I'm loving it that's why I was so entertained listening to you uh you know kind of go through it so I my gut feeling is I do think Caleb and Bo I mean I again Caleb's got more torque although I think Bo is incredibly agile and

athletic he is so clever and deceptive on the rollouts my gut feeling is you like Bo more than Caleb at this point though right? Yeah, he's way more polished, refined game ready to me. Okay. Is there something about Bo that you do worry about? Is there a lower ceiling? How do you view it? Yeah.

Listen, I'm a huge fan of Bo Nix. That doesn't mean that he's playing perfect right now. I mean, you're talking about his numbers in the fourth quarter and how they're good. Yeah, they are good. But against Cream Bay, he put the ball in harm's way four times. Like, it's tips and overthrow's got to get those. That's what they say in defense. The Packers didn't do it.

it those balls were up in the air he gave them opportunities to lose that game and you know i just even go back to like what philip rivers did this past week and everyone wants to talk about hey what you see how to philip rivers he didn't put his team in negative situations that's like the thing that's the thing tom brady did so well this thing erin rogers did so well and i think that's a compliment that i would give to caleb williams is that caleb williams is a really nice job of protecting the football and he's done a nice job this year of protecting his team in other ways And so I think when you get the play caller and the quarterback really on the same page, really clicking, like, you're my guy through thick and thin no matter what.

That's when you're cooking with gas. And that's what the Broncos have. I'm not 100% sure that that's what the Chicago Bears have. Ben Johnson got hired to fix Caleb, to do his magic with Caleb. He's off to a great start. But to think that those two guys are a forever pair, I think that remains to be seen. I think they're off to a great start. But the next three weeks are going to tell a lot, nationally televised games.

And it's a great team around him. So I'm not all the way sold. I thought this last game was the best game I've seen Caleb play, though. So quarterback interceptions are not always on the quarterback. You have young receivers. They don't run the right route. Somebody misses a block. You're rushed.

Seven of the 11 interception leaders in the NFL right now are like pro-bow level quarterbacks. Josh Allen, Darnold, Dak, Mahalms, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence. Let's talk Sam Darnold tomorrow against the Rams. Are his interceptions when you watch him, not seeing something reckless, kind of his DNA? When you look at Dick, because I thought Andrew Luck was a guy that wasn't reckless, but he just, he was an aggressive guy and he was going to take big swings. Because Andrew Luck knew deep down our roster's not very good. We can't go 13 play drives.

We don't have that all line. Sam does have a lot around him. Why is he throwing picks in his career? What do they look like to you? Well, let's just go back to about a month ago. They played the Rams. He had four interceptions in that game. And, you know, his protection wasn't great.

He was just trying too hard. You know, most of the interceptions that I've seen him throw this year, as, you know, he's just wanting it so bad. He wants it to work. And, you know, go back to the last game again. against the Rams. The Rams won the game. Sam Darnold throws four interceptions. But if he only throws three interceptions, the Seahawks win the game. And that's kind of the mindset that I think the coaches are going to have to get into him this week for the Thursday night game. And I've

had coaches do this to me as well. And they literally say it like, hey, listen, if you just go from three interceptions to two interceptions, we win. And as a quarterback is like, oh man, like, I can do that. Like, I can do that. Instead of the mindset of like, hey, if our O line is getting, you know, worked by their D-line, you've got to do something heroic. You know, and just it's like a mind, it's a shift in how you're thinking about it. And I think they're talking to him the way that they probably talk to me or Andrew Luck or all the guys you mentioned, hey, listen, we have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Our special teams can go win us a game at the end.

We've got a great punter. Let him punt. You know, those kinds of ways that you can talk to a quarterback can kind of settle him down and make him feel like, hey, it's not all on me. This is not me against the league MVP Matthew Stafford. This is me and my guys. This is me and my team. This is me and my specialists, my defense, Leonard Williams, those guys against the Rams.

And that mindset can kind of free you up as a quarterback. And I think that's what would help say him the most. You know, a few years ago, we watched Russell Wilson go Seattle to Denver and almost inexplicably fell off a cliff. And I think for two years we're like, what happened? pro bowl to this and then I watched Tua over the last year and a half fall off a cliff and they're both smaller

quarterbacks who part of their gift early was a little elusiveness, could move the pocket. Kyler Murray feels like he has dropped off a cliff. I've been in the same room with you you're about 6'4, maybe a little taller and I've said this is I don't want to hear

I see this Vanderbilt quarterback. People are like oh and I'm like, I'm not touching that. I saw him in a picture. Dillon Gable I saw him in a picture with other quarterbacks. I'm not drafting that. You tell me, did your size, I don't know what you weighed 220, did your size help you through the years

with all those punitive hits? Yeah, probably more like 240, even today. But no, listen, I'm not a guy that's going to hate on somebody because of their height. If you're a player, you're a player, you're a baller. You're a leader. You're a guy that can protect the ball.

You can do it downfield. I think Tua is actually, I don't think Tua played his worst game this last game. I think he played how he's played all year. I think what got to a benched was a lack of grittiness, like a lack of toughness, a lack of, he has no ability to do anything with his legs. He takes sacks that don't need to be taken in their double digits, minus 12, minus 11. Third and one, you go to scramble, you're third and two, you slide too early. Like, I think it's that, that kind of like, like, frustration from the head coach where it's like, we need someone to,

like, put this team on their back and, like, send a message in the, That's what you get so excited about when like a non-running quarterback runs for a first down. It's like, all right, we got them. Here we go. That's where I think Tua needs to step up his game. One interception. That wasn't what it was because they're not turning the page to somebody who's going to all of a sudden do better. Like I'm not expecting either one of those quarterbacks based on what they've shown this year to do any better than Tua.

This is a financial decision and them saying, you know what, we would rather pay you $54 million to not be our quarterback next year because we are frustrated. that you don't have what we see out of guys like Justin Herbert and other guys that we admire, Josh Allen. That's the frustration. And it's unfortunate. Maybe Tua pulls himself out of it. Maybe he gets another opportunity. But it certainly doesn't look like that's going to happen in Miami. So I'm watching Josh Allen right now. He's 4 and 0 this year when his defense has given up 31 or more points. The rest of the league is like 6 and 80. And sometimes I wonder if Josh would have inherited Andy Reed and Travis Kelsey and I think to myself and Mahomes went to Buffalo with a defensive coach. Would their careers be different?

I think John Elway when I was a kid or younger was the best most talented quarterback I'd ever seen. Arm movement, Stanford guy, just toughness, everything. I look at Josh and I'm like, well, he's more talented than Mahomes. He's bigger and stronger. Do you see that? Or do you still think Mahomes has a magic? that's why he's got the trophies that maybe Josh doesn't have. I think Josh Allen ended up exactly where he needed to end up.

If you remember, he came into the draft. There was a little bit of, you know, it wasn't super smooth. And he went to Buffalo and he kind of hit a little bit from the spotlight a little bit. And he developed. And of all the quarterbacks that I've sort of evaluated or watched or even just been a fan up, I thought that Josh Allen made the biggest improvement from college to the NFL in a two-year span. I mean, he was absolutely amazing once it clicked for him in the NFL, and he has never looked back.

And to me, you know, the defense is a problem. The defense is a problem if you're trying to hoist to Lombardi. But this is a guy that can literally put his team on his back. He can go above the X's and O's. If the MVP is truly just the MVP and not necessarily how your team is doing and all that kind of stuff, Josh Allen would be that guy. He's otherworldly. Oh, my team's down 21-0 to the team that's going to be the one seed, the New England Patriots,

no big deal. Let's go. Let's go win it on the road. No big deal. That's kind of who he is. And when you have that kind of grittiness, competitiveness, belief, not only your teammates to believe in you that way, but the opponent, the opposing coaches, they're like, ah, shoot, you know, it's Josh Allen's on the other side.

That's what everyone's looking for when they say franchise quarterback. And the Buffalo Bills have it. And I mean, they are so lucky and fortunate to have him. Matt Hasselbeck has always appreciate you stopping by. And we'll see you after a great weekend on Monday, buddy. Sounds good. See you, Colin. All right. Matt Hasselbeck. Love having him on the show.

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Yeah. You want a funny story. So when I saw the Spurs' first two games this season, I was like, oh, my gosh. They play hard and they're really good. So I bet them to win the NBA Cup at long odds. I was rooting for the Spurs last night against the Knicks, which was tough. And the Spurs led by 11 in the third quarter. I mean, did you watch that game?

I texted you. I figured you ghosted me. No, 13 to 1 run by the Knicks. They were getting out, played, trailed. OG played great. Bronson didn't shoot particularly well. Wembe didn't play particularly well. Listen, they got rid of Tibbs.

They bring in Mike Brown, a well-traveled, well-like guy, and we were all like, I'm not sure if it's going to work. Could I argue? I don't think they have a very good bench, not a trustable bench, and they don't defend the three particularly well. But can I argue they're better offensively, not quite as good defensively this year, but they're a little better offensively? Would you agree with that? Totally agree. I was proud of Mike Brown. He benched Mikhail Bridges for the entire fourth quarter.

Bridges wasn't playing good. Cat got benched for about seven minutes in the fourth. They were riding with Jordan Clarkson, Tyler Coleck. The kid from Marquette, I love his game. But like Tibbs wouldn't play those guys, Colin, a year ago. So now Mike Brown's here and he's like, listen, we're going to play our bench guys if the starters aren't performing. Yeah.

You know, it's like when Mark Jackson coached the Warriors then Steve Kerr, Mark Jackson did a fine job, but Steve was better offensively. The Knicks are now number two offensively. when you watch them. It's like I said about JJ Redick over Darvin Ham. Darwin was great defensively, but you always felt the offense got jammed up. When you watch JJ Redick, it's like in the NFL offensive coaches. They just get that side better.

When I watch the Knicks, I think they feel more freed up, a little more creative offensively. Not quite as good defensively, but you're winning in this league if you can get buckets. They're the best team in the East, you would agree, right? I mean, I don't know that right now. Cats have fallen off. Celtics, we don't know if Tatum's coming back. I know the Pistons are hot, but it's like, come on. Pistons are. Cade Cunningham at the last two years, has he is a top five or six player.

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This is the herd line news. All right. It's weird, Colin. I think the media is getting this Tua situation wrong, and I think you nailed it earlier, how this is a soft tank. They're benching Tua to lose games, see what they've got in Quinn Ewers, right? McDaniel said yesterday, everything's on the table, and now Ewers is going to give them a chance to win here.

But it's weird. There's all this like, oh, well, were we trading Tua to? And then our guys are looking at the cap hits, and the contract is terrible. Colin, nobody's taking on this contract. That's right. There's no market for Tua. Okay, so if there is a market, you don't want him hurt. So it's not like the dolphins will try to lose, but when you go to Quinn Ewers against Joe Burrow, you're going to lose.

Or Quinn Ewers against Baker Mayfield or Drake May. So they're going to go O for three in these games. They're still preparing to win, but they're keeping Tua upright and healthy if somebody does come. Because remember, Jaden Maiava, I'm staying in college. Dante Moore may stay in college. You say there's no market for Tua. wait around it March when you got one quarterback

and teams like the Raiders are like okay I'm not just so at the Raiders so everybody says there's no market for Tua be very careful if Dante Moore says I'm staying at Oregon and Ty Simpson says I'm staying at Bama you don't have a choice this idea that they're going to cut Tua and take the dead cap hit

look at Denver with Russell Wilson I would just argue Denver had a plan there was like five quarterbacks that were going to go in the top 12. Okay? Bo Nix had four years experience starting in college football. I understood that. Where's the quarterback?

What's the plan, the secession plan for Tua? Now, if Quinn Ewers likes the world on fire here, okay, maybe he's your starter and Tua's the expensive backup, but I think he'll be on the Dolphins roster in 2026. Would you agree? No. Okay, five, what roster is Tua? I don't know the answer, but no.

Oh, bold. Wow. I'm seeing this Kyler Murray for to a swap. That's comical, guys. Just stop. All right, let's move on to, again, Josh Allen and the MVP, Colin, listen, man, but you and I agree, at least on this. Josh Allen is the best quarterback in the league right now, period. I'm sorry to the Mahomes fan boys.

He didn't bring it this year. And Alan's been amazing. That come back against the Patriots, vaulted him back into the MVP discussion. We got a little graphic here. So the MVP leader is Stafford. Guys, do not lay it, minus 300 with Stafford right now. Follow by Drake May, Josh Allen. Ooh, look at Bo Nix at plus 7,500.

The problem is Stafford, if he doesn't deliver in Seattle, the next two games are, I think, Atlanta and Arizona, they're not high-profile games. Guess who Josh Allen has after this? The Philadelphia Eagles. Okay? So if Stafford stumbles, Josh Allen next week goes and beats the Eagles?

See that game there at Week 17? Oh, it just happens to be on Fox and 30 million people will watch Josh Allen take down the Super Bowl chance and he wins the MVP. So, I mean, listen, I think Stafford's been great but he doesn't have Devante Thursday. Does he get the win?

Well, again, it's called most valuable player. If you took Stafford off the Rams and let's say you played Jimmy Garoppolo as backup, I think you could be a 500 team. If you take Josh Allen out of the Bulls or out of the Bills, I mean, they're the dolphins. Like, they're just, they're not enough elite players.

I don't know. So, again, most valuable, I always said when LeBron was in Cleveland, just give him the award. It's not he's the most value. He was worth $500 million equity to the ownership. Josh Allen's the most valuable player in this league. Whether he wins the award, again, the Rams are defense, or coaching, our run game. I'm not saying Stafford's not great, but he doesn't do anything out of structure.

He's not a scramble guy. He is a perfect ace. He is a great pitcher for this batting order. Josh Allen, you take him out of Buffalo. The franchise is worth a billion less. Like everything. I mean, they're the number one run team in the league. Well, part of that's Josh, not just James Cook.

We love Stafford. Colin, I know you love like a top 10 players. If you did Rams and Bills in a hypothetical Super Bowl and you did your top 10 players list. How many Buffalo bills on that list? Josh Allen, James Cook, and... I mean, Dionne Dawkins is really good. Does he crack the top 10?

It's probably eight Rams. That's insane. And to me, that would lead Josh Allen to be the MVP, but we'll see what the voters have to say. Final story, Colin, to the NBA. Adam Silver was holding court with the media before the NBA Cup championship yesterday. and interestingly, he talked about expansion,

buzzy word in the league. It's been out there for a while. Adam Silver basically saying expansion is coming next year. Here's what he had to say. In terms of domestic expansion, that is something we're continuing to look at. Not a secret. We're looking at, you know, this market in Las Vegas.

We've looked at, we are looking at Seattle. We've looked at other markets as well. I'd say, I want to be sensitive there about this notion that we're somehow teasing these markets, because I know we've been talking about it for a while. We're in a process of working with our teams and gauging the level of interest and having a better understanding of what the economics would be on the ground for those particular teams. Yeah, I mean, I don't think most sports in America need expansion, but I do think there is a ton of really good basketball talent globally.

I think Vegas is who I would pick. Seattle and Vancouver, they are a long flight in a long. winter season. I would say, now that hockey's in Seattle, I would put it in Vegas. I think in a winter league, everybody loves to go to Vegas. Well, you've got to do two. You've got to have even, you know, 16 in each conference. Which leads me to this. Seattle and Vegas are West Coast teams. They will go both in the Western Conference.

So that means you've got to move somebody to the east. Milwaukee. Milwaukee's already in the east. But here's the thing. Minnesota and Memphis, I think, will have a knock-down dragout fight. Get me away from the spurs. You're right. You're right. And Luka and Wembe, I don't want any part of that. I think winning in the east. You know what I was confused? Because I've said this for years. If Chicago, wasn't Chicago in hockey in the West? If Michael Jordan and the Bulls would have been in the West, he wouldn't have gone six for six

because he would have arguably made the finals and lost of the Pistons and the Celtics. So sometimes where you are geographically, I mean, LeBron, it was a big advantage being in the East. I mean, huge. In the West, it's just more intense games. Like, LeBron and the West has been very good. They don't even, I mean, Oklahoma City now is beating teams by 16 a game. It's like it's over. Like Denver, because of Yokic's greatness, is always going to be viable,

and they gave OKC some problems last year. He's a hard matchup. But, you know, the league would love. What about the Pelicans? The Pelicans are in the West. Yeah, that's a goofy. But here, here's my thing. Anthony Edwards has been talked about his potential face of the league.

He ain't breaking through the West. Colin, it's just not happening. There's too many good teams, too many stack rosters. You put Anthony Edwards in the East? He might be in the finals in three years. He's that good, and the East is really down, man. It's like there's a couple good players, but if Janus gets traded, what are they talking about?

Houston Rockets, maybe OKC. Like, everybody's in the West. I would love if I'm Anthony Edwards to be in the Easter Conference. He is a, I mean, you love Anthony. I know that. Yeah, no, no, I mean, yeah, I guess Minnesota, yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, Minnesota and the pelicans go to the east. Yeah. I mean, the pelicans don't make any sense in the West, flying in New Orleans.

Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. But it's hard. Would you take Anthony Edwards moving him out of the west to the east? He's been in the last two Western Conference finals? He made one or two, but, yeah, again, looking forward. You know, he's getting his big contract coming up. Like, I just, I like Aunt a lot.

One of my favorites, by the way, he's a big ping pong player. I know you like to table tennis it up, Anthony. He's just got that magnetic personality that Willie wins fans over. Remember, Halliburton and Jason Tatum are coming back next year. So the East is sort of, it's better than we're giving it credit for. Also, I think the Sixers rookie, Sixers will get better. Halliburton comes back. Tatum comes back.

It's a little artificial. At this point, the East is bad, but it's got two of its top five players and, like, real playmakers, real leaders of a franchise that are out. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. In Chicago, it's The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam, Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luke. and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game.

His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. He running up the court, licking his fingers,

why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Farrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcasts presents

soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later.

We're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo.

Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake.

That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. agency, the ability to know that we're the experts in our own body.

On the podcast cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30, you shouldn't have to share room with anybody. Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real, honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right?

Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing. I'm standing and handing my children food. Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas, their practices. And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is, getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Ely Boulevard. Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job.

I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. you get your podcasts.

Tonight, it's a college hoops triple-heder on FS1, starting with a pair of Biggie's showdowns as Creighton Battle Xavier, followed by Georgetown Marquette. Then we head out to the West Coast, where Arizona State takes on UCLA. It all tips off at 6 p.m. Eastern here on FS1. You know, it's so funny to listen to everybody say college football's broken, it's falling apart. You could do yourself a favor and get rid of your athletic program.

Why do you have fencing and rowing and all these sports that don't make any money? I watch college football. The ratings are great. The stadiums are packed. The revenues are unbelievable. The boosters are all engaged. College football doesn't have a problem. College athletics is a house of cards because you have 34 athletic teams and 32 hemorrhage money.

Cut them. That, I mean, to me, I would have football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's, whatever, the stuff that, you know, baseball or soccer, or softball, whatever makes money and revenue. And if anything that supports our Olympic or our World Cup movement, I would keep soccer men's and women's, I would keep track and field men's and women's. Those support our World Cup aspirations, our Olympic aspirations. But I mean, all these athletic departments, all I know I watch football, stadiums

packed, revenues flowing, ratings are great. College football is not the problem. The problem is you have all these programs. and money. So I, you know, I look at college football now. Indiana and Texas Tech are two of the top six teams, seven teams on the country. It's broken. The little guy, James Madison, two lanes in the playoff, and it's broken? I mean, Notre Dame didn't get in. James Madison did. You're telling me it's broken. The richer only getting richer. Notre Dame did not get in, but Tulane did. That doesn't feel broken to me. The little,

guys getting a little life, the big guy's getting life. You know, you've always got some big programs like Michigan right now, sort of, you know, a little bit of a mess, obviously. So you've always got one of those programs out there that's a big dog looking for a coach. But I don't know. I keep hearing about college football. And I remember, you know, I grew up on the West Coast with the PAC 12. And when it disbanded, everybody freaked out.

And my takeaway is I'm watching the games outside of Washington and Oregon. There's a bunch of empty seats. Nobody's going to UCLA. nobody's going to Cal, nobody's going to Stanford. What's the point? Take the four best teams and put them in the Big Ten, just like the Big Twelve. Texas and Oklahoma were great, but it was a bunch of, you know, nonsense, a bunch of, you know, small towns and can't drive revenue,

and yet Texas and Oklahoma have to share all their revenue. I don't know. I feel like the Big Ten and the SEC are money. We still have Notre Dame and Miami out there that feel big in the ACC. Texas Tech has emerged. You know, Utah is always viable. Arizona State's kind of fascinating with Dillingham coaching him. He may leave.

I don't feel like it's broken. Revenue is unbelievable. Ratings are through the roof. The Big Ten's never been stronger. The SEC's never been stronger. There have never been more games I want to watch. I was a Pac-12 guy. I was done watching Cal against Arizona.

I did not need to see that another time in my life. you know, the bigger issue with college sports is this unwillingness to look in the mirror and look at your books and get rid of all these, you know, they say, what about Title IX? I'm not saying get rid of women's programs, I'm saying get rid of both, get rid of a lot of this stuff that doesn't make any money. Do you really need fencing, rowing, wrestling? I don't know. It's, I just, when I see an athletic department has 34 teams. How in the world do some of these sports make money? It's a friends and family crowd.

It's like relatives or nobody goes to the sport. Why do you have those? Is there a minimum number you have to have? I don't know. I know football drives the bus. There's another, there's another, you notice these highlights? Look at the crowd. There's not a seat available.

And those people aren't getting in for five bucks. I mean, look, here's another game. Oregon game. Crowd, packed, looks like an NFL game. I don't think college football's got a problem. If your ratings and your revenue are up, you don't have a problem with that sport.

You have the problem with all the gravy trainers in college athletics that are living off football. Got a lot of gravy trainers in that athletic department with egos that think their tennis programs viable. Their water polo is a big deal. Give me a break. You're just writing checks. and getting nothing back.

College football to me, never, any business, it doesn't matter what business it is. I don't care if you're a streaming company. You could be Netflix. I go to Netflix. I watch a lot on Netflix. If you say, well, they're not making money,

well, then fire the directors that can't create hit shows, not the ones I'm watching. I'm watching streaming companies. If streaming companies aren't making money, it's not because of the top directors, top writers, and top actors, get rid of the middle down. They're the one losing money because I'm going to those streaming services and I'm paying for them.

There's my TED talk, J-Mac. You're watching as much college football. You know, there's this thing called Title IX that still... No, I know. I'm not saying to cut... No, I'm not. I'm saying cut both men's and women's rowing. I'm not saying to cut one of the other.

I'm saying football and then I would have five or six sports with both. but the idea you need 34 programs in an athletic department and 32 lose money, 20 hemorrhage money. I mean, you're flying kids. Cal right now is flying people to the East Coast. And there's nine people at the event. I didn't have this rant on my bingo card this week, so I'm not fully equipped to agree or disagree with you. I'll just say this. I got two young kids.

I know their friends. A lot of people have gravitated toward a sport-like fencing because you know what? It's an easier way to get into really good colleges if you're an expert fencer because there's not a lot of those. Everybody football gives out a ton, soccer, all the major sports. But it's these smaller sports how kids are able to get into college. By the way, those sports don't give out full scullies. Ivy League doesn't give out scholarships. No, no.

No, you can get like a partial or they'll give you money that makes up for what would be a scholarship because they can't do an athletic scholarship. I'm for men's and women's soccer, men's and women's basketball, men's and women track and field. There's a lot of sports. You get volleyball in there? Come on. Volleyball in there. I like volleyball. But 34 athletic program?

Listen, you know, rowing? I'll tell you a rowing story off air. Listen, it's an interesting discussion. I'll just leave it at that. There's a rowing story that's... Listen, I got a rowing story. It's highly controversial. I can't tell you on air this rowing story.

Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called... Hey, Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. The story I told myself can then shape my behavior and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, Tune into the podcast Deeply Well with Debbie Brown if you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole. This podcast is for you to hear more.

Listen to Deeply Well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When, like, young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever.

And my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? You'd rather be disappointed in. Do that. David O'Yelloo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Dennis Leary, Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things. Tena Monjou. Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more.

Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the on the Ones. My Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Conky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest

storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcasts presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey.

And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer gate. in the back of my Honda Odyssey with all the snacks and drinks.

Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got them. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHart podcast. Guaranteed human.