The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Matt Stafford's injury could be a problem, Arch Manning might leave Texas after this season, Mike Sando

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

Mike Sando from the Athletic talks to Colin about his QB tier list, how Shedeur Sanders looked in his first game for the Browns, Patrick Mahomes last season, and more Thoughts on Matt Stafford's back injury and what the Rams will probably do in the future Colin discusses which NFL teams would interest Texas QB Arch Manning to jump to the NFLSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the ice. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. Jen should win.

She's an outsider to win the French friend. And she likes Clay. Listen, Leonard Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcasts on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast.

Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com. or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, he's been covering the NFL for 28 years, and he drops his quarterback tears every year in August, before he goes on vacay. And it's fascinating.

For us in August, this is what 50 GMs and assistant GMs and executive. and I know everybody doesn't like anonymous quotes. I've been doing this 30 years. You get better quotes when they're anonymous. I mean, let's be honest. If your best friend or wife drive you crazy, sometimes you tell a buddy or a friend, what you wouldn't tell your best friend of your wife.

Like, people anonymously have a little more courage and can air things out. And Mike Sandow's the recipient of many of those juicy tidbits of information. He joins us on. Senior NFL rider at the athletic. So I was, I'll tell you this, the one that really jumped out to, me and I you know I know I'm a little high on my sauce here because I love I predicted Bo Nix

would go to the Broncos and I watched him play live twice and I loved him when I watched him play Utah and Washington so that he did well you know it's a confirmation bias but he received less two tier votes than Caleb Drake May so is that telling me that GMs are telling you we love Sean Payton or there are still people that think he's overachieving and he as a low ceiling. Colin, it's like one fewer tier two vote than those guys. I've got no worry about how anyone's seeing him. I think they really like him.

And one of the great quotes I put in there was, hey, the order of this class is not set. Jane Daniels looks great. But this is going to be a referendum in the quarterback developing abilities of Cliff Kingsbury and Sean Peyton as much as anything. So I think that's a very bold endorsement of Bo Nix. And for these guys that have only played a year, sometimes they get tier four votes that not enough information is one of those sort of bailouts for that. So you got some people who haven't seen them or didn't see them enough or just want to see more. I think there's lots of optimism on Bo Nix.

And like I said, even some who haven't set in stone what the order of this class is going to be. And they're allowing for the fact that maybe Bo Nix in a year is the one at the top. Yeah. So the quotes about Caleb Williams, holy moly, whenever I see alarming. You know, all I can think of is sirens going off. Somebody pulled the fire extinguisher in high school. Alarming. Were you alarmed when you got those?

Were you surprised at how negative the Caleb William discussion was? A little bit. You know, I have sensed some of it from Ben Johnson and his public comments this offseason. It's talking about, we're not a palms up type of team, body language. He even made a reference. It was a little arcane earlier in the offseason about something statistically about, you know, EPA or something.

And the bells went off in my mind because EPA counts sacks. Well, who took a lot of sacks? To me, that was, I was reading into that probably, but I felt like he's put that team and Caleb on alert. He's got the juice there. And it's going to be very interesting to see how it comes together in light of the fact that so many of the people I talk to said, hey, Caleb Williams has Tier 1 talent. It's going to be good for him with Ben Johnson.

But, man, his ability to process the game quickly. that was not there and that was alarming. Yeah. So I made a joke. Jalen Hertz doesn't tend to do well in these. And my take has been they had a buy. In Philadelphia, after the buy, the staff said, we'd be better if you threw less. And I joked that if my bosses came to me and said, Colin, we love the show. But if you could talk less, it'd be way better, probably some indictment on my verbal ability. So that's what I look at Jalen, is when you ask him to throw 30, 35 times, he's not the same guy.

So when I see 8, 9, 10, I think he's the best podium quarterback, the most mature. I think the push is historically unique. But I don't love him from the pocket. What kind of quotes do you get for our audience that hasn't read this about him? Funny ones. Everyone was like apologizing for how low they had him. They love Jalen Hertz. They love what he's all about.

They think he's good. They think he's perfect for him, but you're right. They don't think he can do it as a volume passer, and they think he probably benefits as much or more from what's around him and the context, hand in it off. And then if you put him in a different system or on a different team, he may sink in this, whereas, hey, maybe a Justin Herbert, if you put him in a different system, maybe he would take off.

Or some of these other guys that are even higher than that in Tier 1 would do better as stars. When you play Hertz, you have to have a plan, but you're not like, oh my God, we're playing Hertz, right? You're playing that whole system, that whole team. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paul and Tony Fusco show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to the show. The host are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable.

Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled. Whoa, whoa, what the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie. Ignore that fool. Listen to the Pauline Tony Fuscoe show on the I-Hart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. He's still moving. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide.

range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally

calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, for people could call in and say, Hey Jonas.

and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and Head, writer Street or Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself.

I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs' tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchen won. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay.

Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'll get to Jaden Daniels eventually. The quarterback that I think is really good is Jordan Love. So I had joked for years. I had more video of Bigfoot than Jordan Love for three years at practice. Like they wouldn't release video. Then I saw him. And I was like, oh, this is rough. Matt Lefleur criticized.

at a press conference. Then I saw him and I'm like, oh, this kid's got a whip. This is an arm. This kid is something. And then last year he's banged up and he kind of regresses. So where are we, according to your 50 GMs, assistant jams? Where are we on Jordan Love? Well, he's low tier two. The only guy lower in cheer two is Brock Purdy. I think with a feeling that he has the talent to ascend higher in tier two. But I thought the quotes on him were fascinating all over the place. One guy said, hey, I think that Matt Lafleur is actually holding him back by running his offense and should be tattered around him. Another one was like, hey, this guy, Jordan Love is propped up by the big skill players around him. And I think another one was,

you know, talking about just, you know, that he really hasn't taken that next step. And you wonder why? And it seems odd that he throws the ball deep so much. Like, was this part of the plan? Or is he a throwback to guys who bring it down the field. Some of that plays into the interceptions. I just felt that it wasn't focused. The talk around him wasn't as focused. I don't have as good of a field of the direction. Yeah, you know what?

I'm going to defend him. Them drafting a receiver in the first round tells you that they don't trust their group of receivers. There's some health issues, some drop issues, some immaturity issues. And by going after a receiver from Texas, who I like, and I think Green Bay

historically drafts pretty smart. they do they draft and develop i think it kind of spoke volumes about it's not a jordan issue it's you know what these receivers we got some we got some issues here so i i'm on the jordan love bandwagon you've been doing this 12 years um is there a common threat or is every year just a basket of surprises for you it's really not surprising uh as i do it and i'm more interested in what surprises the public so like the first conversation i had yesterday morning you know was someone was all over me about Jalen Hertz and he wasn't higher. I didn't see that coming at all. Maybe I should have.

But you just get, you're kind of so on the inside talking to people for so long that it all sort of makes sense. And then there's some outlier votes, you know, among them. You know, I think there's debate over why would Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson get any tier two votes, some things like that. But overall, I think it really makes a lot of sense. It feels right to me. When you do talk about the great ones, Mahomes did not have a great year. He was tremendous as the team was in those one score games where I think they were like 11 and O or something. And a lot of that's just Andy's coaching. Mahomes clutch play.

I mean, they're just an experience like the Patriots in Foxborough during Brady. Man, if it was close, you just had a feeling Elway. They're going to win certain games. When people talk about Mahomes, because statistically, he doesn't blow you away. He doesn't, he's not as big as Alan. he's not as electric running as a Jaden or a Lamar. What do they say about Mahomes?

Is he still viewed as sort of it? Yeah, yes. One of the great quotes in there was like he sort of has the Brady seat right now, right? Because of his pedigree, because of his winning, because of he's always in the AFC championship game every year. I think for him to be perceived as falling off,

it's going to take more than his stats not being glittering because everyone knows how good he is and he finishes those games. I think it's going to take, like, you know, in early, early playoff exit with mediocre stats. Well, Josh Allen is the undisputed MVP and goes to the Super Bowl, right? There's no one really knocking the Holmes off that perch until they don't have the team's success, which he's driving a lot with those end-of-game heroics. It just feels a little less sustainable, doesn't you? You can't go 11 and 0 in one-score games forever.

It just doesn't happen. So is this the year that Denver beats them? You know, Denver wins the division, and they don't miss the playoffs, but they're one and done. It hasn't happened yet. I think if it does, we'll see the conversation shift a little. One of the players I'm constantly supporting, and I get more and more pushback is Justin Herbert.

And my take is, well, he got two coordinators as head coaches, and it didn't work. And frankly, until Harbaugh got there, I didn't, I mean, Rishon Slater worked, but I didn't, you know, Joe Alt shored up what was always a okay at best O line. What do you hear, anytime it's in a, People are more honest. I love Herbert size, his toughness.

What do people say, though? You kind of, hey, is something missing because they haven't had more success in the postseason in some of those close games? I think that's been part of it. One of the interesting ones from, I think it was a defensive coordinator, said, hey, he's really good. He can do everything. But he's a click slower than those really elite guys just in terms of his, I don't know if it was up the processing or just the, quickness of playing the game. So I think he's right where he probably belongs, top of tier two, the talent to go to tier one. But another question is, can you go to, you're going to go to

tier one in that offense. One of the guys was like, hey, don't they have like 18 running backs on their team? You know, or do they even want to have that type of season? So he doesn't have the team success that Mahomes has. He can't have Mahomes type stats and people say you're tier one anyway. He almost needs the stats in the absence of the team success to get into that top group. Yeah. And for the record, Mike, Mike Sando joining us for our radio audience. Harbaugh, you can go Stanford to the Niners to Michigan. He's never built his team around wide receivers.

I mean, Michigan won a Natty with one NFL receiver. The Niners had Michael Crabtree. You can't name the Stanford wide receivers. So he's not really, I mean, he passed on a receiver, Brian Thomas. He loved to get Joe Alt. That's just who he is. He is a, he's never going to be a guy that builds sideline in. and it's about the team

and I'm fine with that for your team I think history has shown that you know history has shown that the John Harbaugh's and Mike Tomlins and Pete Carroll's and Bill Belichick's value the team there's always going to be people saying you should let Russ cook

or let this guy throw but they have a way of putting together a team is about the team not about the player and so you don't get a spectacular season sometimes from the quarterback whereas we see Aaron Rogers and Drew Breeze with offensive coaches have incredible seasons, but only one Super Bowl win, right? Because maybe it got to be a little bit too much about the quarterback. And finally, Jaden Daniels,

I had said a couple times on the show today, I love the kid. But he beat one playoff team, and that was the Eagles when Kenny Pickett played most of the game. He got a very, very Dan Snyder's out of town. It wasn't toxic. The Cowboys weren't very good. The Giants were awful. you start looking at the times he played a Baker, a Lamar, a Jalen Hertz. He didn't win those shootouts. Was there any pushback at all on Jaden Daniels that, hey, listen, it was a pretty comfortable year one. I need to have you as one of the voters next year. That was pretty good.

Pretty good pushback on Jade. I didn't get pushback that hard. He did beat Burrough early in the year, right? He did. He did. He did. He did. Down the sideline.

I thought that was good. You know, I think for him, it's rare to get to the championship game with a rookie quarterback and a bottom 10 defense in a place where yes the culture was better but they haven't done anything there so he clearly drove it i think everyone was very impressed with his poise his is there's no questions about his processing and oh by the way he's super elusive i think the the question probably is more about uh you know he got banged up a little bit with the ribs he's not the thickest guy is he going to you know is he going to wear down or get banged up but i didn't see any red flags i sort of per i hear any red flags i i i i i

I look at it this way, though. Stroud and Herbert are the two other guys since I've been doing this that finished almost as high as him in their debuts in quarterback tiers. And in Herbert's case, kind of plateaued. He's good, but hasn't really become the Tier 1 guy. And then Stroud, in his second year, his number of Tier 1 votes went from 12 to 1. So that's why he's not in Tier 1, Jaden Daniels,

so they want to see it again against defensive coordinators that are going to be ready. But I don't necessarily – those are some interesting things you brought up, but I don't know that they're red flags, right? They're not like fatal flaws. They're just things to keep in mind that, hey, if they go nine and eight and he isn't in the MVP conversation, that may be realistic. Yeah, I don't think he, by the way, I think he's special.

So I don't think he's going to go back. And I would even defend C.J. Stroud, all his receivers got hurt, and Tunzel had a so-so year. So Mike Sando, it's The Athletic, cover in the NFL for 28 years. you can spend several hours on it it's just a lot of fun it's a great read go on vacation with your fam it's great seeing you Mike I appreciate it I would love to but I had my vacation already

we talked to in the break my vacation is done before I do so I take a vacation now I think they might move on they might want less of sando like you were talking about less of callus of Collins so yeah I appreciate it I'm gonna see what I can do on that vacation though yeah thank you I think a pre and a post tier vacation is very reasonable for all the publicity next contract next contract

That's going in. Yeah, I love it. Okay, thanks. Thanks, Mike. I love it so much. Love it. It was such a gift Monday on the train to work. What a gift.

Here is J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right. Colin, let's start with a couple of our teammates here at Fox. Tom Brady sat down with Joel Clatt recently and talked to about quarterbacks in the game of football today that remind him of himself.

Brady only named one. guy. It's always that line about who wants to win versus who's willing to do whatever it takes to win. Yeah, because everyone wants to win. Everyone wants to win, but what are the habits and the daily habits and the actionable things you need to do every day to put your team in a position to win? So Patrick Mahomes to me is the one that does that the most often.

Sure. Because who he is, I mean obviously his physical talent, how he understands what he needs to do offensively. he brings a consistent winning attitude to work every single day. In the biggest moments, you can depend on him the most. Yeah, I think that's reasonable. I think in the biggest moments, it feels different. And you know what?

So much of quarterbacking is those critical moments. I've said this before. Michael Jordan had bad games in the finals, a couple against the jazz and the Sonics. He had bad games and bad shots. but generally in the biggest moments Michael took over or Shaq Kobe you know Steph takes over is Mahomes has bad halves Mahomes has bad games but on third down and four in the red zone with 48 seconds left that's where he's got the Brady M.J. Elway thing he just is consistently a notch better and I think yeah it's he's not always pretty he's not he's had go go out of year. He had eight or nine games or halves. He just wasn't dialed in. But it was usually the first

half or a game they won anyway. When he had to have a big drive, there is a reality of he just clicks. I mean, I largely agree. I would put a guy like Jalen Hertz in that category. I would put Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. The only problem is two of those three guys haven't won. So it's tough to like even mention them in the same sentence as Brady. But yeah, I largely like that. And listen, I may bash the Chiefs a lot, but let's be real. Patrick Mahomes is legend here. Okay, that's obvious. Next story, Colin, let's go back to Caleb Williams for a moment.

He's had a rough preseason, choppy under his new head coach. Well, former Dolphin, Turan Armstead watched joint practices between the bears and dolphins and had some takeaways explaining why Williams has been benched. Caleb's process, playing that quarterback position, has to improve. fast and pretty fast in my opinion. On a consistent basis, Caleb was not able to recognize where he was in danger.

He wasn't feeling pressure. He wasn't feeling blitzes. He wasn't seeing blitzes and threats pre-snap. Anthony Weaver, the Dolphins defensive coordinator, was able to send guys from all different spots on the field. And, man, a lot of those got home. A lot of those would have been sacks. Yeah, that's pretty alarming.

I mean, and that's what we're hearing. It's the process thing. Nobody's saying arm movement. Nobody. And the processing thing, you know, you and I have said this before. He had a lot of college starts. He had him at Oklahoma. He had a USC.

So it's not like a lack of stars. Anthony Richardson hasn't played enough football. A lot of starts. Two programs. Good offensive coach. I mean, Lincoln Riley's above average college offensive coach. So there's a lot of things you're like, it should work. A lot of starts, good offensive coaches, strong, big arm.

The reason we're all flummoxed by it is we can't see the processing. Everything you see, you're like, oh, that's good. I mean, Greg Co-sell's like, oh, yeah, he throws an unbelievable Josh Allen like powerball. So the processing, though, is it like a film study? Is it he doesn't feel comfortable in the pocket? Like I think last year we thought that the Bears O-line was young. It would upgrade. It regressed badly.

So I think some of it is Ben Johnson just wants the ball out faster. Just get rid of the ball, eliminate sacks. You know, it's like even Belichick said about Brady. His second best strength was he got the ball out of his hands. He didn't get hit. And you can always make more yards handing the ball or passing the ball to somebody else than you can do yourself. So I think a lot of what Ben Johnson is trying to do, first read, second read. No Hero Bowl.

And some of Caleb's habits at USC at the end and last year are bad habits. Getting those out is going to be difficult. Final story, Colin, is this guy named Travis Kelsey, who you're obviously familiar with. He is an international superstar at this point. Now, he has admitted that his last two seasons haven't been up to his standards because he was excited to venture into a new world of acting and being an entertainer. So he's admitting it. He later added that his only goal is to win a Super Bowl.

Also, this was set in a GQ cover story, Colin. GQ. All right. Yesterday, obviously, he talked about Taylor Swift coming on his podcast to promote her new album. Here we go. Look at Travis there. Look at this outfit, Colin. I mean, really, GQ, Travis Kelsey?

Looks like a guy from the Stone Ages. I don't know, man. Sorry, go ahead. Again, he's not a quarterback. I thought he was going to retire. I'm going to give him a little pass for one year dating the world's most famous pop star as a tight end, as they drafted another tight end a couple years ago, Noah Gray,

to reduce his role. Was he good when it mattered in the third down, the fourth down, the big games? By and large, yes. He's also had his self-admission as 10 surgeries. So I'm surprised he came back to play. So again, at the end of your, you know, Brady started doing commercials after he beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl. Even Tom's like, I'm doing commercials.

If you're at the end of a Hall of Fame career, you have your money, your fame, your legacy, and multiple rings in which you have been the number one receiver, I'm going to give you a year that you got a little sidetracked with the world's biggest pop star. And I still thought he was good last year. He just, he now admits, sometimes you get distracted. I mean, can you just quantify good last year? It was by almost every metric, the worst season of his career. Of his career.

Right. Worst year of his career. So you're saying those terrible numbers for his career are still good for an average titan. Kyle Pitts would kill for the, like, that kind of deal. That's right. Again, if everybody, life is circumstantial. if in any industry you had 10 to 12 years where you're like remember he was a middle

draft pick if you were great and then let's say you went through a divorce or you went through a tragedy in your family or you were just distracted you you're going through a tough time you get one out of 12 years you're not quite buttoned up he's been an unbelievable blocking catching leader there's everything about him i love so so i i mean that's an interesting point Hey, he's had a great run. Let's give me a. So if my wife kicks me to the curb and I start dating Sidney and I start showing up here, a little sauced for the news, would you be like, hey, let's give Jay Mack a pass?

He's been with us for a while. No. No, I'm on about four more years of that. By the way, by the way, he was still named a pro bowler. He went to his third straight Super Bowl. The worst season of his career. Here are the numbers. Top five in receiving among tight ends. At his age, he's 36.

So again, by his standards, worse of his credit. He was still a top five tight end. He was still the number one target in big games. And by the way, because they're receiving crews of mess the last two years, he draws more doubles. Like it was different when Tyreek Hill was getting a double. Like he has become like the de facto third down guy. And the run game is not as good as you want. You admitted, though, he was like a fringe top five tight end.

And he's getting older and he's doing GQ photos. You have to block. I would be enjoying life. Now, let's say this season, he falls to, he's a top 12 tight end. Then he should retire. Interesting. I mean, tight ends block. He's old.

He's had 10 surgeries. He was third in receptions among tight ends. That's pretty good. Where was he in the Super Bowl? Didn't have a great Super Bowl. The team did not have a great Super Bowl. Oh, my answer championship game. What are you doing that one?

I don't remember that. I'm foggy. I just know they won. J. Mack. He did lead the Chiefs in receiving. That's another one the staff just told me. Well, it's something. Jay Mack with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. I mean, again, you get into these LeBron and Brady where they don't have down years, but it's just not the way it's just not the way it mostly works. People, you know, even a great quarterback.

You change coordinators, you lose your left tackle, you get hit more. I mean, I look at Kelsey, is when you're that good for that long, at that physical opposition, and then you start dating the world's most famous pop star,

you're going to get a little distracted. He's a great-looking guy with 150 million net worth. And for the record, LeBron James, as great as he is, his average has fallen for straight ears. He's just

he has spurt. Travis Kelsey has spurts. He has games. He has halves. He has moments. But you know, these, it's father time. And I think, I thought he would retire. I think he's got one more year.

Then he'll retire. That seems fitting. Wrap it up next, the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news?

we created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy,

Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests. in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenshin won. I mean, she went down to three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface because if she's serving, well, good luck.

Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast's superhuman. Human documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So a team that we know is good. Don't forget that the Rams took the Philadelphia Eagles to the last series of the game in a snowstorm for an LA team. Rams are good.

Their defense is exceptional. They have not missed on a defensive draft pick. It seems like in three years. So Adam Grossbard is reporting that no sign of Matt Stafford at Rams to start practice. So there's some back concerns about Matt Stafford. A couple years ago, there was concern, I was told two years ago, Les Need and Sean McVeigh, with just, you know, he took a lot of hits in Detroit. And he's expensive, but it's not outrageous.

He is an unbelievable leader. he's the last old quarterback that will sit and take a helmet to the teeth. He's great. But there are concerns. The Rams, remember they moved back last year. They have two first round picks. The Rams are going to draft a quarterback. They did not like this quarterback class.

They're going to draft a quarterback next year in the first round. Even if Matt Stafford is good. So it's a fascinating year for the Rams because they love Stafford, but he has a back disc issue. issue and their left tackle has a blood clot issue, I believe. So the two things they really need next year's draft, and I was surprised they did not draft a corner. I said that. They did not draft a corner. They went with another outside linebacker and inside linebacker because they reportedly loved them. But they need a tackle and a quarterback and a cornerback. So the Rams are really,

really good, but this is a little disturbing. Matt Hasselbeck, who was in the NFL for a while, he knows the aches and pains of an old quarterback, talked about Stafford and his back issues. The closest thing I could equate it to is like you burn your mouth, like on a hot piece of pizza or something, and it just doesn't get better quick. And that's kind of what the back injury typically is. There's all different types of back injuries, but they just don't seem to get better quick. And then even if they do get better, you've missed all this time of like heavy weight training or physicality that goes into your offseason and you're just not the version of yourself that you normally are. So I'd be very concerned if I was a Rams fan right now just because Stafford is valuable

and it's just not a great place to be up in there. And it's interesting that the Rams went and got Devante Adams. They drafted another running back and they drafted a high draft pick tight end. And they did not draft an offensive tackle, which I thought was a need. So they want, it feels like it's a last hurrah. They gave an extension to Kyron Williams. So the running back class now has Blake Coram, Kyrin Williams, a kid they drafted out of Auburn, I think, in the fourth round. And they added Devonte Adams to Pooka Nakuwa. Terrence Ferguson, very good Oregon tied end, added him to Tyler Higgsby, who's a very solid B-B-B-plus tied-in.

So it does feel like they're giving him Pook and Devante Adams, another tight end, another running back, but they did pass on the offensive line. So Rob Havenstein's a great right tackle, but he's got maybe a year or two left. So it is, it's a little problematic, a little concerning that Stafford, and I don't need him playing in the preseason. I said, I don't want Aaron Rogers, Kirk Cousin, Stafford, older guys been banged up. I don't want him playing in the preseason. I have no interest in him playing in the preseason. but it's just something to keep your eye on because I mean they they

they know and the Rams have been very good about spotting problems two years ago they had staffer concerns injuries but he was he's so damn good when he plays and he's upright but he is the eighth most sack quarterback since he entered this league um you know

they they so they got an extra pick from the Atlanta Falcons first round so JMAX got the Atlanta Falcons like crushing this year you've probably Privately, they wouldn't say it, because Rahim Morris, the head coach of Atlanta's very, one of Sean McVeigh's best friends, but it would do the Rams really well if, remember, Les Sneed, his son plays at Texas. He was spotted talking to Archmanning. They drafted Jordan Winningham, the wide receiver, kind of the team leader in the sixth round.

He popped last year in a couple of games. So they've got a lot of information at the University of Texas. They're going to draft the quarterback, and I had been told a year ago they just did not like the Cam Ward. Shadour Jackson Dark class. They just Riley Leonard. They told me that a year before. They didn't love the class. They really like this class.

So the question is, if Atlanta's good and the Rams are good, that's too late first round picks. They're not going to be able to move up. They're not going to be able to move up to a top four or five pick. No. So you kind of hope Atlanta's mediocre. And then all of a sudden Atlanta's got the 13th pick coupled with their first. You can move up to six or seven.

but if Atlanta's good, it puts them in a weird spot. Stafford's old. And remember, you got like three teams next year that what the Rams have to hope for is Jackson Dart is really good. So the Giants have their quarterback. You got to root for that. You got to root for all these young people. Michael Pennix is good, but not too good that Baker, Mayfield and Tampa win the division. I mean, this is what you're kind of hoping for.

Let me ask, Colin. So I know there's a pipe dream Rams getting Arch Manning. So I did this Friday when you were on the golf course. Let me give you the team and you tell me if Arch Manning, let's say he has a good, not the best season ever, but a really good season,

he's thinking about coming out. If the New Orleans Saints get the first pick, Archie, he's familiar with the city, the franchise, does he come out? Does Arch leave Texas to go to New Orleans? if they get the number one pick? I think, yeah. Okay, let me go with another one.

Indianapolis Colts. Let's say the bottom falls out, DJ stinks, Anthony Richardson's a joke. They can fire the coach and draft Arch one. Peyton Manning went to Indy. Does Arch come out if Indy gets the number one pick? Yes.

Okay, so that's true. Now this is the long shot, Dallas Cowboys. We don't think they're going to be great, but all of a sudden it's like, hey, well, we can just dust Schottonheimer after a year. We could get you a new coach, Arch, come on down. Does Arch leave early for Dallas? Yes.

Because the Mannings, yeah. Manning's no business. Yeah, so in my take is this is if Arch is great, which I think he will be. He will be. Now, I didn't even mention the New York Giants could be in play. Now, I know you're on this hype train could be good. There's a world where the Giants stink, Colin, and get the number one pick. Is he coming out for the New York Giants?

Yes. Also could fire Dayball, get whoever they want. Yeah, I played there. So now we're getting to, oh my gosh, how many teams are there that Arch would come out for? Well, I think your bigger point is the four teams that could possibly draft him all have a manning connection. Eli knows the owner of the Giants. Obviously, Peyton knows Ursa's daughters. The Saints and Arch, it's like literally if Roger Goodell had to root for anything, it would be Arch to the Saints.

That would be on. Cleveland. And you have talked about the connections. No, Jimmy Sexton, Jimmy Sexton, Nick Saban, Haslam, the Mannings. remember, you know, Peyton went to school at Tennessee. Who's the biggest booster of Tennessee? I think Haslam is probably one or two. So it's just interesting that all the Manning connections are to the top five teams

that will probably be drafting Arch Manning. And my guess is one of them will feel like a really good landing spot. Can you imagine how devastated New Orleans would be if Art said, I'm not coming out? And the city that he knows great is left holding the bag with no Archmanning? That would hurt. We'll see you tomorrow. The Hurd. Hey guys, it's us.

The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode we're cutting through the noise,

breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headlines. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife-12 in the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no-nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. Gentry win.

She's an outsider to win the French fame. And she likes Clay. And Lennar Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stog's tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. This is an IHeart podcast.

Guaranteed Human.