The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Mike Tomlin Leaves Steelers, Robert Mays Explores What's Next for Tomlin

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

BREAKING NEWS – After a crushing loss to the Texans in the Wild Card Round of the NFL playoffs, head coach Mike Tomlin and the Steelers have agreed to mutually part ways. Colin talks with NFL reporter Robert Mays about the reason Tomlin and the Steelers split and where Tomlin could end up next season.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Steelers will be looking for their first coach, only their fourth coach since the late 60s. Kevin Stefansky, how sweet would that be? The Browns let him go. Two-time NFL coach of the year, Pittsburgh picks him up. That's where I would go. and I'll be honest with you I'm not so sure the front office

I'm in love with either I think it's the right move people Mike DeFabo on our show yesterday saying he knew Tomlin wouldn't be fired but he could see him stepping down and I don't know how those things get negotiated behind the scenes but you know when

fans are chanting you know fire Mike Tomlin it's time I think Mike will pick up a network job. I mean, I would be shocked if he was not on the phone this morning with his agent. He'll make, don't, don't,

I could give you the networks in order of where he's going to go. I'm not going to do that at this point. But, yeah, Mike, it's time. And by the way, I think it's not just Tomlin. I think Mike's going to take a year off, but because I don't think there's a lot of great jobs. I would not be shocked. The winner in this is the New York Giants.

You know, now they've got Harbaugh, Stefansky, and Mike Tomlin. Suddenly it went from a lean coaching market to the best in a long time. So stop at all the coordinators. If you can hire Tomlin, Harbaar, or Kevin Stefansky, you hire them. Like a Vrabel, like a Harbaugh, like a Sean Payton, stop messing around. So also, Tomlin is a culture guy. He's not a scheme guy. he's very much like Harbaugh and Vrable

and so my take is what the Giants need I mean they could hire Stefansky I think it would be a good coach the Giants need a culture guy they're a mess well that's what John Harbaugh is that's what Mike Tomlin is

in fact I'm just thinking in the recesses of my mind did Tomlin say listen I saw Jackson Dart play Harbaugh thinks he's got that job I'm going to go steal that New York giant job from John Harbaugh. These guys are all

alpha's all competitive. But I think it's time. I think Pittsburgh needs a reset as an organization. It's easy to just blame Mike Tomlin. But the GM stepped down and they brought somebody that had been in house

a long time. I think they need a young, high risk, high reward GM. I think they need to go get an offensive coach. If I was the Steelers, I would offer the job today to Kevin Stefansky. That's what I would do. Go get an offensive coach.

And if I was Kevin Stefansky, I'd call Aaron and say, thank you so much. I'm going to go find my next guy. I think a lot of these coaches, Aaron Glenn didn't, I don't think they don't want to inherit Aaron Rogers at 42. So NFL head coaching vacancies are now up to nine, including three of the four teams in the AFC North. So the Steelers, Ravens, Browns, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Cardinals, Raiders, dolphins have openings.

Ravens is the best job. They have Lamar. Good roster. I don't know if there's a clear two. Steelers, Giants have some things I like about both. Again, when I said a couple years ago, I'd move T.J. Watt and get more picks. That was outrageous. TJ's 0 for 5 in the playoffs. How outrageous is it?

Yeah, there's a bunch of bad jobs, and then there's the Ravens job. I think you'd probably say Giants, Steelers. I like some stuff on the offensive side, plus Abdul Carter for the Giants. And I like the, I mean, the Steelers have a Packers feel like, you know, there's not a lot of chaos in the building,

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I think it's easy to blame Tomlin, who's an elite. Motivator. He'll be a great TV analyst, or he'll get the Giants job. I mean, it's, that New York Giants, you know the winner in this, Robert? The winner is the Giants. They got Harbaugh's Tafansky and Tomlin. That's pretty meaty.

The other winner to me is Brian Daibald, because now we have nine openings, and I thought he was on the edge of getting a job. But with nine, I think Brian Daibol, winning a playoff game with Daniel Jones, now gets a head coaching job. Let's start with Tomlin, though. You did a show right after,

after the game last night. And after the loss, let's start with what your initial reaction was on Tomlin. That it was time. I think it was time for both sides. And I never thought that the Steelers would fire Mike Tomlin, and they didn't. And I think it was going to be a conversation. And I feel like we were in a place with both the Steelers and Mike Tomlin, where it was mutually beneficial for them to go their separate ways.

This had run out of road on so many different fronts. And we could talk about this, but the Steelers are poised to go from being one of the oldest teams in the league, to kind of having a little bit of a youth movement. They have a ton of picks this year. They can move on from guys like T.J. Watt and Cam Hayward over the next couple years. It's a reset, even if it's not a rebuild. And I feel like somebody else coming in with a new vision to kind of shepherd that version of the organization. That made sense for them.

And for Tomlin, you have no pathway to a quarterback right now if you're the Steelers head coach. I think him either taking a year away, the same way Sean Payton did, or just moving to a different situation where the team is positioned different, for both parties, I felt like this was the right time to say goodbye. And so I'm not shocked or surprised to see this. Who do you think is the leading candidate for that job? It's a great question because I heard you say earlier that you could see them going with an offensive coach. And I would completely understand that.

If they wanted to go with a guy like Kevin Stefansky, I do think that's pretty far removed from what the Tomlin era was. And I think that's appealing in some ways. I get that. I also think this is an organization that has not been afraid to do things that are undone, conventional when they hired Mike Tomlin he was a 35 year old kind of anonymous assistant that they thought was the right guy for the job and so I wouldn't be surprised if all the options were on the table I think a lot of organizations do want to do something that's distinct from what just came before it I don't know if the Steelers are necessarily going to jump at that I feel like

there are going to be a lot of different kinds of candidates that they consider for this sort of job kind of in the same way that the Ravens seem to be. Yeah. Wow. Does this change? I mean, I would think now, I said about an hour ago, Aaron Rogers retires or goes to the Vikings. I didn't think he was going to run it back.

Now that Tomlin's gone, does that change the Aaron Rogers equation? I think it makes it less likely. I just don't understand why you would kind of pigeonhole yourself into that version of the team. When again, it feels like you're kind of closing the book and starting a new. here. They have seven picks in the top four rounds this year and five picks in the top 100. Already on offense, they have one of the youngest offensive lines in the league. And on defense, there are a lot of guys that I do not think will be back next year if you are kind of transitioning to a different version of the team. Jalen Ramsey, Darius Slay was on the team this

year. Again, they were one of the oldest teams in the NFL. I expect them when we wake up in the middle of next season and you look at the ages of these rosters to be one of the youngest teams in the NFL. And I'm just not sure how a 42-year-old Aaron Rogers jives with that. Okay, let's talk, let's talk New York Giants. So I I've always felt the Ravens

could use a play caller that just is kumbaya with Lamar Jackson. Let's get the Lamar thing right. It's his franchise. I can see Stefanski being a great fit. The Giants need a culture guy. They've had a warped culture for a decade. To me, that screams Tomlin

and Harbaugh. Not that Kevin couldn't do it, Robert, but I think I just think of Stefansky as quarterback strong, offensive minded. If I give you, I mean, would Tomlin even be interested in the Giants or do you think he does TV and Harbaugh

is the leader in the clubhouse in New York? If Tomlin wants a job, I think he should be interested in the Giants. I was talking to somebody who's been interviewing for a lot of these jobs over the last couple weeks a few days ago, and we were talking about how you stack up the priorities for why these jobs are appealing and why they aren't. And we were trying to kind of tear out if you were talking about quarterback

ownership, the quality of the roster, all of this, how would you do it? And his first thing was quarterback and ownership, I think, should be at the top. And if that's the case, and you look at the giants, even if you're worried about the GM, even if you're worried about certain elements of the roster, they at least have a promising young quarterback and the ownership there is stable. There's stability there. There's going to be patience there. I think the giants as an organization are more attractive to people in the NFL than they are to the general public right now because of how bad they've been recently. And so I think that makes sense for John Harbaugh. Well, yeah, it's like when Brady went to the box, they needed a right tackle and they got Tristan Worst and he brought Grong down.

They knew if they could shore up the O line, everybody knew like, oh, that's a really, really interesting roster because Jason Light's been a great GM forever. I look at the Giants. Similarly, get a right tackle. It's a tackle-heavy draft. If you told me John Harbaugh, they solve right tackle, Scataboo, Jackson Dart, neighbors, Andrew Thomas. In that division,

I don't, listen, we just saw this with Vrabel, Ben Johnson, and Liam Cohen. And by the way, let's talk about that. Three guys, Mike McDonald the year before, three guys came in and took messes some of them disasters and cleaned them up. Is that maybe why we have nine openings? I think it has to be.

And I think the Seahawks are actually a really good parallel to what we're looking at with the Steelers. Pete Carroll had been consistently good for a very long time. They're constantly in the mix, the exact same way the Steelers were. But you had questions about the ceiling. This is a team that hadn't won a playoff game in, I don't know, seven, eight years. They were consistently getting bounced early when they did get in. it didn't feel like they had a ceiling as an organization.

And you get to the end of that 2023 season and say, you know what, Pete, we appreciate everything you've done. It's time for us to move in a different direction. You go get a Mike McDonald who's on the cutting edge defensively in the NFL. He is the Sean McVeigh of that side of the ball. And you have seen the ways that he has lifted the ceiling for that team. And I think the Steelers are in a very similar situation. And when you have these guys that can come in in one year and you see this huge jump,

not only with the wins and losses, but what the ceiling of the team feels like, I think you're going to see more and more owners have a quick hook because something like that could be on the table. Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame, opinion on him, like the NFL team circling back on him? I think it may be possible in this cycle

because this cycle is strange with the candidate pool. In most other years, I think defaulting to the offensive coach, that's my personal bias. If I'm trying to build the perfect archetype of NFL head coach, just based on the percentages and which guys usually succeed and which guys usually win. I want the offensive play calling head coach. In last year's cycle, I want Ben Johnson.

I want Liam Cohen. There are not a lot of clear-cut candidates that fit that model this year. Clint Kubiak, after one year with the Seahawks, has gotten a handful of interviews because he's really one of the only guys. And so I think because this pool specifically doesn't fall in line with what organizations have been chasing over the last few years, it opens. the door for maybe a couple guys who don't fit the mold getting some of these jobs. Man, this is really, really fascinating.

Nine openings. I mean, just three weeks ago, if you just said, Stafansky, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, nine openings. Let me throw a team we don't talk about a lot. I think the Titans is sneaky interesting. I really, you know, I know, Robert, they're a mess. I think Cam Ward's pretty talented guy. I'm going to throw this out there.

Brian Daible interviews Friday. Daible gets the Titans job. Does that sound crazy to you? No, it doesn't sound crazy because, again, there aren't that many offensive coaches in this cycle. And if you're steadfast with Tennessee being like, we need an offensive coach to pair with Cam Ward, there are only four or five guys that I think are hot candidates

that you're really thinking about. So if Daible is in the mix of that, I totally understand. with Tennessee specifically, they check a lot of the boxes. They have a quarterback who at least showed promise this year. The numbers are bad, but you could talk yourself into Cammore pretty easily. There's roster flexibility. They have resources to go out and spend and try to improve that thing quickly. The question with Tennessee is going to be ownership.

How do you feel about going into a place that has been dysfunctional, that has been impatient, that has kind of changed the target and move the goalposts a lot over the last five years? if you trust their new infrastructure with Mike Borgazi as the GM with Shad Brinker as the president and you think that there is a newfound stability there that kind of insulates you from what Amy Adams-strunk

has done over the last few years there are some parts of that job that I do think are pretty appealing. I have defended Matt LaFleur. I said he won the first half against Ben Johnson. I always feel the first half is the game plan and the script half. The second half, a lot of times that's off script and Caleb Williams and Josh Allen and Mahomes

make plays. But the first half's always felt like that's the week's work. Your first three series, that's the week's work. I thought Matt had a very good first half. When you look at the Packers' loss, and I know it's over and LaFleur is probably going to retain his job, where do we point the fingers on it? Because I didn't think Ben Johnson, Robert. I thought he kind of over it. I thought he was a little desperate going for it in the first half. I thought he got too cute, too often. It's his first playoff. You know, as the coach, I get it. Everybody in Green Bay, every cheesehead, get

him out of here. Where do you point the fingers with Green Bay's loss? I think the quality of the offensive line and their struggles in the second half had a big part in it. Their inability to run the ball in the second half, the fact that Jordan Love was pressured so much more than he was in the first half. I think you saw

the fact that they had some component parts change out. They had a back-up right tackle in there. They had a left tackle who's a solid player, not a great player is going to be hitting free agency. This roster does not have a lot of stars on it. That was their problem over the last couple of seasons. It was a good roster, but not a roster with a lot of high-end talent. That's why you go out and get Micah Parsons.

Well, Michael Parsons didn't play in that playoff game. Their right tackle, Zach Tom, might have been their best player on offense other than the quarterback. He didn't play in that game. And so in a lot of ways, the Packers of 2023 and 2024, talent-wise, are the team that showed up last weekend. And so you had a similar end that you've had over the last couple years. I get if you're frustrated if you're a Packers fan, I don't want to diminish that.

But I still feel like if you look at the results over the last three seasons, this hasn't really been a team that's underachieved. It's a team that just is kind of plateaued when we've gotten to the end of the year. But I think they're still young and I think there's still a ceiling here. And this to me feels different than the Tomlin conversation than the Harbaugh conversation. If I were the Packers, I would want Matt LaFleur back. And so I'm not surprised that that's where it seems to be trending. By the way, I want to circle back to Tomlin.

So, Sean Payton left New Orleans, and he came to Fox, and Sean and I went to dinner, and we talked, and we texted a lot. We talked every week we had an interview, and we would talk before he went on the air, on the air and off the air, and the before and afterwards, way better than the on-the-air stuff, and we talked a lot about it. And I kept saying, dude, you know, some of the analysts at Fox, they don't want to do this stuff forever. Jimmy Johnson likes to fish Okay, like

I said, stick around for about five years here And he's like, oh no, yeah, maybe what? We'd talk about the broadcasting thing And he's just got too many things Ruminating upstairs. There's no way he could do broadcasting. And he took the Denver job with that Russell Wilson cap hitting him like,

yeah, you're in the division with Mahomes? I don't know if I like that. Well, it works. So I look at Tomlin and I think Tomlin's a competitive guy. He's not a sit, put a nice suit on, and talk football. He could do it for a year and he'd probably be unbelievably great.

He's just, he's a quote. He's great. But what about this? That Mike Tomlin does a patent and says, I don't like the coat. I don't like the job pool. In one year, now the Green Bay thing could be, I guess my take is, Dallas could come, Schottenheimer may get one more year, right? It looks like he will. do you think there's a play for Tomlin to do TV for a year?

And then like Sean Payton, who said, oh, the richest owners in the league. Oh, we got a first round pick and it's a great quarterback draft. Do you think there is a possibility that in a year, if we got nine this year, that maybe better jobs happen in a year from now? I'm sure Sean saw the check and didn't really mind that Patrick from Holmes and Andy Reid were waiting around. He seemed to enjoy that, and I don't blame them whatsoever. I think with the quality of the jobs with Tom and I think that matters a little bit less. just because I think he'll have options when he comes to it.

I think there will always be a job in every cycle that is probably worth taking if you're Mike Tomlin. The year off to me is most interesting because I think guys can benefit from a year off. If I'm Mike Tomlin, I think that where I would sit back and evaluate who I was as a coach and what I needed to be moving forward would be in how you build your staff and how you seek out coordinators on both sides of the ball. That's massively important when you're a coach like Mike Tomlin, who is one of these CEO type head coaches. The guys who've been successful in that role, who've gotten further than the Steelers have over the last couple years, are the guys that have been really good at finding

the right people. That's why I have faith in John Harbaugh in his next stop in a way I might not have with a Pete Carroll, is that John consistently in Baltimore understood when he needed to change out coordinators and why. He hires Mike McDonald. He goes and gets Todd Monk in when the Greg Roman things runs out of road. If I'm Mike Tomlin, I want to take a step back and for a year, just visit with people around the league, talk to people. Who should I be seeking out? What should my offense look like? Who are the people that I should build my staff with?

Just take yourself out of that small kind of insulated world when you're the head coach and your head is down all the time and just think about how you need to build things moving forward for you to be successful. Because I think if he surrounds himself with the right ideas, he is such a good coach and a good motivator that that overall construction and that overall model that would be appealing to me if I were an owner trying to fill one of these jobs.

How about this? Nine openings. Do you think it's possible based on either results this weekend or a Bashati John Harbaugh, bad phone call? There'll be another job opening. Or do you believe the Browns, Cards, Dolphin, Falcons, Giants, Raiders, Raven, Steeders, Titans is it? Or there's just one that you're kind of wondering about? any i don't know what that would be me eagles eagles maybe i'd be surprised about that i think they won the super bowl last year they've had enough evidence where if they have the right coordinators in that building

they can be successful and competitive i think they swap out the offensive coordinator before they move on from syriani i think 2026 becomes all right we got to see it before we decide whether we want to go in a new direction i think they stay the course the other one that obviously we've talked about over the last couple years is what happens with Buffalo. I think right now, you watch what they did on defense against the Jags last week. Yeah, yeah. The Bill's defense and how well coached that Bill's defense has been in certain moments when they don't have a lot of talent. I honestly think even if it ends in the divisional round, this is the year I have felt best on what McDermott is providing for the bills than I have over the last couple years.

And so on that front, I think I'd be surprised if they moved on. And I think that's really the only one that even might make sense, given the bill. the teams that are left. Robert Mays, the athletic football show, terrific. Well, that Mike Tomlin detour for the last 15 minutes. It is nine openings is the most since 2022. So, wow, this is just wild. Robert is the end of an era.

It really is. It really is. No, I mean, this is something I talked about several years ago. Owners used to be worth $650 million. Now they're worth $4 billion, and they can just, write those checks. They can just clean the staff out. Here's 60 million. I'm starting over. I made that yesterday on my tech stocks. You know, I mean, it's just a different world. They're more impulsive, but to your point, they're watching Vrable and Jim Harbaugh and Liam Cohen and Mike McDonald.

And they're like, yeah, I'm going to do this. Just get the right guy. Damico Ryan's. Before D'Amico got that job, I thought Houston was the biggest hazmat spilling the league. an hour before he took that job. Nick Casary, I mean, didn't we think five years ago, four years ago, the worst franchise, honestly, wasn't it Houston? It was the most forgettable franchise. It was the most irrelevant franchise in the league. They existed in complete anonymity for like four years. But you just feel how differently things can change.

Think about the way the bears are talked about when it comes to ownership and the quality of the organization and their entire reputation for the last five to ten years. Ben Johnson's been there for 11 months. And how different does it feel? It feels so different. And I think that's why there's an allure to this, because you can convince yourself that if you get the right guy, you can change everything in an instant.

And as long as we have evidence that points to that, I think you're going to see owners operate this way. Robert, great stuff as always. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. Wow. Nine openings. Yeah, I mean, Marcus Freeman, keep your eye on, Brian Daibble, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Kevin Stefansky,

Mike McDaniel may get a second opportunity. You say, well, I mean, Miami didn't end well, got to the playoffs twice, wasn't him as a GM. Mike McDaniel and Brian Daibol have got to be thinking, nine openings? I'm getting work. And I don't necessarily think it would be a bad thing. The herd.

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This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered.

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They take care of their own. Basically, you know, during our meeting, Coach Tomlin informed me. He decided to step down. I'm grateful to Mike, dedication, success. We've shared over 19 years. Hard for me to put into words the level of respect and appreciation I have for Coach Tomlin. Guided the franchise to our sixth Super Bowl championship. Playoffs 13 times during his tenure.

Won the AFC North eight times in his career. Track record of never having a losing season, likely never be duplicated. My family and I, everybody connected to the Steelers Management, forever grateful for the passion and dedication. Mike Tomlin has devoted to Steelers football. I mean, he's a Hall of Fame coach. The resume is a Hall of Fame coach. I also think you can be a Hall of Fame CEO and a Hall of Fame coach

and feel like you're not current. I don't necessarily think the Steelers under Tomlin have felt current, right? They still need the kids to get online. Like they're just not quite current. That doesn't mean if he hired a brooky. brilliant OC, it couldn't help. I think Arthur Smith and Aaron Rogers were a little duct tape on sort of the cultural issue with them, which is they just spend too much damn money on the wrong side of the ball.

So here's Robert Mays from The Athletic earlier on Tomlin stepping down. I think it was time for both sides. And I never thought that the Steelers would fire Mike Tomlin, and they didn't. And think it was going to be a conversation. And I feel like we were in a place with both the Steelers and Mike Tomlin. where it was mutually beneficial for them to go their separate ways. The Steelers are poised to go from being one of the oldest teams in the league to kind of having a little bit of a youth movement.

They have a ton of picks this year. They can move on from guys like T.J. Watt and Cam Hayward over the next couple years. It's a reset, even if it's not a rebuild. And I feel like somebody else coming in with a new vision to kind of shepherd that version of the organization. That made sense for them. Yeah, I would go on offense. I think I would consider Brian Daible.

I would consider Kevin Stefanski. I want somebody that's been a head coach. I mean, the coordinator stuff is a 50-50 proposition. Now, you hit it out of the park with Ben Johnson, but we were talking about Ben Johnson for three years. Like he was the talk of the league for three years. Josh McDaniel also had multiple opportunities and didn't work. Liam Cohen did.

So there is no guarantee. But by the way, Ben Johnson inherited Caleb Williams, pretty talented guy. Liam Cohen inherited Trevor Lawrence, pretty talented guy. whoever takes a Steelers job, they don't have a quarterback. Whoever gets the Giants has Jackson Dart. So we all say, oh, Ian Cohen. Yeah, but he had a quarterback.

Oh, Ben Johnson, he had a quarterback. Oh, Mike Vrable, he had a quarterback. Sean Payton drafted a quarterback he loved that was a Drew Breeze comp. So these coordinators or any of these coaches, you've got to have the quarterback right. I'll be honest with you. If I'm Mike Tomlin, you know what interests me? Nine months, Dallas Cowboys. they got Dak Prescott.

All these guys, even the legends, even the Sean Patens, even the Vrabels, even the, you know, all the big guys, the Jim Harbaugh's. Yeah, you get Justin Herbert or you get Trevor Lawrence or you get somebody as talented as Caleb Williams. What worries you about the Pittsburgh Steelers and what's great about the Ravens is you get Lamar Jackson. That's why the Ravens jobs by far and away the best. You take the Ravens over the Steelers 10 to 10 times. I get Lamar Jackson. I would take the Giants over the Steelers. I have Jackson Dart.

Okay, so Steelers right now is a third job. Who's a quarterback? Aaron's not the answer. And Aaron's personality is not the kind that like a Stefansky would go, yeah, that that's not it. I mean, the Vikings knew that J.J. McCarthy couldn't stay healthy, and they had huge concerns, and they passed on Aaron. So I don't think Aaron's going to be the clear. That's not an attractive thing. I think it was attractive for Tomlin, knowing the end was coming.

It's not going to be for like a first time coach or a second time coach. Aaron's not going to be that attractive. So I think the best job is where your quarterback's out. You start looking at all these coaches that have worked. I mean, Mike McCarthy goes to Dallas. He won 12 games three times. He inherited DAC. Try to find the guys that go to an organization that have no idea what they're doing at quarterback,

because that's the Steelers. and I honestly, I think Tomlin knows. Tomlin's smart. Tomlin's like in one year, cowboy job potentially, I mean, you start looking around the league next year. I'll throw another one out. There's talk about Andy Reid retiring in a year.

McDermott loses this weekend by three touchdowns. I mean, I'm just, I'm saying, we got nine openings. We could have 10, we could have another nine next year. So, you know, You know, keep your eyes open. Mike McCarthy, by the way, is from Pittsburgh. Keep your, you think I'm crazy. J-Mack, Mike McCarthy is from Pittsburgh.

Yeah. There's no way Mike McCarthy's taking this job. Colin, listen, Mike Tomlin had an amazing run, but this is not an attractive job opening. I get the whole ownership thing, stability, all that wonderful. All the guys that took over, Mike Tomlin taken over for Cowher, had a quarterback in Ben Rothensberger,

just won a Super Bowl. I would argue Pittsburgh is the eighth or ninth most desirable job on the market right there with Arizona. Colin, I just look, they've got the second oldest roster in the league. We've got a bunch of draft picks. Yeah, a bunch of draft picks. I look at blue chip talent. I see maybe Joey Porter Jr., Jalen Ramsey's declining. I like High Smith.

Cam Hayward is their highest graded PFF player. He turns 37 in two months. They don't have a quarterback. They're in a brutal division. There's really nothing attractive about this job other than the ownership group. I mean, Tennessee, at least you got Cam Ward. The Giants, he got Jackson Dart. Atlanta's, I mean, you just need a quarterback, all the pieces in place.

I look at Pittsburgh, this is a major rebuild, and you know following a legend is tough. We love Kraft as an owner in New England. Well, guess what? Following Belichick, Gerard Mayo, how long did the owner stick with Mayo? He was gone in a year. But he was over his skis. He was over his skis. I'd be careful taking this job.

Ravens, you get Lamar Jackson. Yeah. Giants, you get Jackson dark. Raiders, you get Fernando Mendoza. Titans, you get Cam Ward. Those are the four places I get a quarterback I can win with. Cleveland is not a desirable job. You know, they will see what Shadour.

I don't think he's the guy. But I'm just telling you, this Pittsburgh roster, go look at the salary cap. They do have some space. But like, is D.K. Metcalf, their second or third best player on the roster? The kid they drafted out of Georgia, Robert Jones. He can't say healthy. Doesn't matter.

I mean, I get that, but. Doesn't matter. they don't have a quarterback. Well, you tell that to Mike McCarthy. Hey, Mike, you want this job? I would almost guarantee he'd pass. I don't think it's that attractive. I want a quarterback.

Cam Ward for four years is free. Fernando Mendoza for four years will be free. What's the path to a quarterback for Pittsburgh? Because they've been on this 9 and 8, 10 and 6, 10 and 7 hamster wheel. I'd rather be 4 and 13, so you at least get bites at the apple up high. I mean, Pittsburgh's in a tough spot. Listen, they had a great run. Nothing lasts forever.

I think we're looking at some dark days ahead. If you're Pittsburgh with all these picks, my takeaway, you give out about six of them to go get Ty Simpson in the first round. Say what you want. It's something. Oh, boy. I mean, that's- That's- I'll grab a Ty Simpson before the Steelers do.

Come on. I wouldn't wish that upon anybody. I mean, they have seven draft picks in the first four rounds. The Steelers have the ammo. Go get Ty Simpson. Move up. You don't have to move up 25 spots. move up 10

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