The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - More on Caleb Williams, Jordan Love's career, Bo Nix this season, Carson Palmer

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Carson Palmer joins The Herd to talk about the timing and rhythm issues Bears QB Caleb Williams is having with Ben Johnson's offense, what helped Jordan Love early in his NFL career, the play of Broncos QB Bo Nix this season, and more   Guests: Carson Palmer, Josh PateSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Rebel Spirit season two on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. With that, great Carson Palmer is joining us live. We always appreciate that. 15 years in the NFL. You know, it's funny about timing and rhythm.

And I've said this before. When you came out of USC, I'm like, that's what a quarterback should look. Big, confident, strong arm throwing it. And you could move. Like, we tend to forget that Drew Bree's early could move. You know, as guys get older, they move less. But where do you fall on the timing and rhythm and then off-script stuff? because I do feel like off script is probably what wins you Super Bowls,

but the timing and rhythm stuff, you should be playing at a pretty high level with that. Like, what do you see with Caleb that maybe you look at and it concerns you? Yeah, the timing and rhythm aspect of his game and just playing within the pocket is non-existent. His outside the pocket, you know, making a play, extending a play is as good as anybody else in the league with maybe the exception of the home.

I mean, once he gets outside the pocket, he's got the ability contort his body to throw it back across the field, across his body. He's got zip. He's got velocity on the ball athletically. That's where he thrives is outside the pocket. That's one of the hardest places to make it in the NFL is outside the pocket. I mean, it's that system. You look at Jared Goff, what he was doing with Jared Goff when he was in Detroit last year. Everything Jared did and all of their success in Detroit came from within the podcast. And I just have yet to watch a game where I've seen him excel in the pocket and, you know, drop back, take, you know, go through his footwork, whether it's five steps, one hitch, two hitch, three hitch, and then extend the play. You're just seeing him get to the pocket, look around, look around, and then escape as opposed to getting the soft spot in the pocket and then stepping up and going through his progressions and going through his reads. I just don't see the development there for the last couple of years. And I don't see a comfort level with Caleb's game within the pocket.

So I think the amazing thing about Jordan Love, he sat for three years. To be a first round pick, you had to sit for a year behind the guy that you were clearly more gifted then. Good guy, but like Mahom sat behind Alex Smith, I get a year. When you're sitting for three years, it would pull your hair out. And here's Jordan Love, total grown up, mature. How hard do you think it was to sit for three full years and get no. meaningful snaps. As a pro athlete, what do you make of that? It's a huge challenge, especially, you know, if you're a first round pick, you've probably

been good since the fourth or fifth grade, so you've been on the field, you know, since the fourth or fifth grade. So for the first time in your career, you're having to sit and watch somebody else play. And, you know, fortunately for him, he wasn't probably ripping his hair out because he's watching Aaron Rogers. He was still playing at, you know, extremely elite level. And you referenced it earlier, Colin, when you talked about his game, Jordan's game reminding you of Patrick Mahomes. When I watch, when I watch Jordan Love play, he reminds me Aaron Rogers. I mean, the way he throws the ball, the way he moves within the pocket, the velocity the ball comes out with, the quickness that the ball comes out with. I think he spent those

three years diagnosing his game, picking up on little things, watching the way he worked, watching the drills he did in practice. And he's built that because he did not look like that coming out of Nevada. The ball did not come out that way. You know, he wasn't, he wasn't, you know, gifted enough to throw the ball, you know, off balance and off platform the way he is right now. Some of those balls he was throwing last night, you know, like you've seen Aaron do for years, you know, he's not planted in the ground. He's not using the force the ground while the ball's coming off of his index finger. He's generating the velocity from his lower half and coming off the ground, but still getting velocity and spin and RPMs of the football coming off his

index finger, much like we saw Aaron Rogers and much like he watched Aaron Rogers do for three years, why he was sitting behind him waiting for his opportunity. So I want to talk Bo Nix. He right now is playing so well on third down. So I always thought of third down as a quarterback down. Maybe it's a coach is down. How much of third down success for Bo Nix is Sean Payton, how much is Bo, how much is personnel, how do you view third down?

Hugely on both sides as far as what Bo Nix's God-given abilities are and what Coach Sean Peyton brings the table. So you compare, you know, or you combine a great offensive-minded coach and then a quarterback that's really mature, really smart,

really does a good job taking care of the football and he has the ability. If number one and number two aren't there to get out there and move the chains with his feet, that's a really rare unique and rare combination that they have going in Denver. Yeah. The

Daniel Jones story is fascinating. So I've seen Baker and Sam Darnold reinvent themselves. And Daniel Jones, I'm the first to admit. I just didn't see it. I thought he was kind of stiff. I didn't think he was terribly fluid.

I thought the easy stuff, 15 and under, look too hard. And now I watch him in Indian, I'm like, oh, you've got to sign him to an extension. This is a big, strong athletic guy. I don't know. Hey, I missed on that. Are you surprised?

They're the number one most efficient offense in the league by a long shot. Are you surprised at all? No, I'm not. I mean, I've always liked this game. I wasn't quite sure of him when he was coming out of Duke. The athletic ability is there. I mean, he showed it time and time again in New York. Now, having protection and having the confidence in the guys in front of you,

they were a mess up front in New York his entire time there, and they still are a bit of a mess up front. But you give him a solid offensive line with Jonathan Taylor and a defense and a great young play caller. I really like this setup for Daniel. You know, the only thing that, you know, you don't love about his game is he doesn't have just an overpowering arm, you know, a ton of velocity on the football, but he doesn't need it.

I think he's always done a good job moving and extending plays. I mean, you know, some of the plays, plays you think back because he was in that New York media, you know, the long 50-yard or 60-yard run where he tripped in the open field, you know, that got overheighted and overplayed, but the guy still took off for 50 all the time in New York. He was always making plays with his legs. So the athletic ability is there. You give him, you know, the running game and the office.

offensive line play that he's had, along with that defense and that play caller, it's a great recipe for him in Indy for sure. So it's weird. It happens. I see it in the NBA sometimes, where a really good player leaves, but the chemistry and the ball movement improves. And maybe it's a guy that is, you know, you bring in a guy that's less talented, but he's a little better teammate, more willing passer. in the NFL AJ Brown doesn't play Philadelphia explodes

and I'm like I like AJ Brown I'm a fan of AJ Brown but I remember when the Cowboys got rid of Des Bryant and they loved him he was a touchdown magnet but Dak was better he didn't wake up in the morning thinking I got to get it to Des 12 times and I do feel like Jalen Hertz is better

when he's just sprinkling the infield when he's throwing he can do RPO's he can do push and I watched AJ Brown and I said earlier today I'm like I think he would fit with Vrable in New England I don't know watching yesterday without him maybe this great

athlete all they do is think about getting in the ball did you ever play with a team that moved off a great athlete and actually the team was a bit more functional oh like you said we see it all the time

you know AJ Brown's heavy on Jalen Hurts shoulders and you you sensed it for the you know, first six weeks of the season, you know, and then you saw him just explode. And like you're saying, he was just playing more fluid, more, he's playing quicker. When you have, you know, an ego or, you know, the drama that comes with somebody like, like AJ, that he's brought into that locker room and really into that huddle and into Jalen Hertz week, you know, as your week is going on and, you know, you install first and second down

early in the week, then you get to third down, then you get to red zone. as those plays are being installed in meetings, as you're then going out on the field and replicating them, and then you're going back inside the meetings and watching those filmed practice plays. In Jalen's mind, when AJ's a part of it, he's always thinking about it. And on this play, what if I get this,

and how do I get AJ the ball in this situation? And then you go out on the field and you try to do it, and you try to keep him into practice and keep his energy level high and keep him running full speed because you don't want him to run 70% when you do take a shot and then you overthrow it.

And then, you know, that gets heavy. You know, that weighs on Jalen's shoulders. So I was not surprised at all to see the success they had. And I wouldn't be all that surprised if AJ wasn't on that team for very much longer. How's your son doing? How's your high school team doing? We're doing good. We're doing good.

Santa Margarita won a big game this last weekend against Orange Lutheran. We finished out the regular season this Friday night on Halloween and then on the playoffs. Are you one of those coaches on the headset? Yelling and screaming and yeah, I'm always yelling. I'm always screaming. I'm not cussing, but I'm on the headset, and I'm in the reps year nonstop, you know, and, you know, critiquing their game more than I'm critiquing my own players game. But yeah, I'm that guy yelling and screaming on the headset for sure.

All right. My kind of coach. Carson Palmer, great seeing you, my man. Thanks, Colin. Yeah, he does not age. Santa Margarita, his team, his son's the quarterback, number 11 in the nation. Hey, you got to get on those refs. Got to get on those guys.

It's like me on J-Mack. It's got to keep them in line. Sometimes you give them that zebra shirt and I think they run the world. Yeah, you know, I got my first technical of my men's league this season. Five seasons, never got a tech. Got one this season. I'm a terpy. I'm shocker.

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he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick.

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Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit.

How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Gianmanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad. But secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy.

but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong on what that might look like? No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. this is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All sorts of things happening. Josh Pate, great voice in college football before the end of the show. Here's J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the heard. line news. Let's start with one of your guys. He was my guy first, but Drake May of the New England Patriots, hey man, I love the Patriots this week. Easy, no sweat winner crushing the hapless

Cleveland Browns. May threw for 282 and three touchdowns at 50 rushing yards. I think zero trips to the blue tent, which is something to watch because these young quarterbacks keep getting hurt. Drake May loves it when the fans shower him with praise. I didn't hear it. The guys were making fun of me about my slide back in the huddle on the long run. So I didn't hear it, but the fans have been awesome all season. It's been really cool to, really to see the difference from last year to this year. Man, it's been a, it's been a journey. And, you know, they've been through it and they've been, you know, the fans have been through it the last couple of years. So it's just, you know, credit to them. And we did the intros today for the first time, so we didn't know how that would go. That was

pretty cool. But I know the fans have been awesome. Like I said, I think the best fans in the league and they continue to show out every week. That dude is good. He's good. He's really good. Eight games in, who is the most unlikely leader in the AFC division? You've got the Patriots, you've got the Colts, and you've got the Broncos. Nobody had that eight weeks in. Zero people had those three division leaders. Nobody. Everybody was Bill's Ravens Chiefs, pretty much.

Well, I think New England's the most surprising simply because you have Josh Allen, but they went to Buffalo and controlled that game. That was not a coincidental win or a, I mean, this kid throws such a pretty ball. And his feet aren't nervous. Like, he's not frenetic. He's just a big athletic, accurate quarterback. God, he throws, the ball just looks great. He's like Justin Herbert.

Like the ball, he looks like a logo. Like, the ball just comes out at the high point. It's accurate. It's got velocity. He's so good. All right. Now that we're done glazing, let's just keep it real. Okay.

These are the last three teams. Patriots beat. The New Orleans Saints who are one of the worst teams in the league, maybe the worst, the Tennessee Titans who are an abomination currently, and the Cleveland Browns who are rotten. So they're beating up on the dregs, and I do mean dregs of the league. That being said, next up is the Atlanta Falcons. If it's Kirk Cousins, you could give Rabel the victory there. If it's Pennix, maybe it's interesting. Then it's Tampa, then the hapless jets, then Joe Flacco. I'm just, guys, if you bet the Patriots to have the number one seed, you're going to be sitting on a fun ticket come like week 17.

This team is pretty good, man. They're well-rounded, Colin. Nope. They don't have a ton of star power they could use. I think, you know, an edge receiver, a sideline receiver, and maybe another pass rusher, but overall, good team. Yeah, very, very good. Let's move on to tonight's game.

Monday night football, the Washington commanders getting 11. Oh, I'm sorry, 10 and a half now in Arrowhead. I've seen some numbers that Mahomes has not been great on Monday night football. You know, he was good against the Jags, but had to pick six that kind of lost it for him. Overall, though, the chiefs are rolling the last four weeks. My guy, Rishi Rice is on fire. Here's O.C. Matt Nagy talking about why the offense keeps flowing. Keep the execution at a high right now, which it is.

The execution by these players has been great. Protect the football. That's been a key element is making sure. that with our defense that we have, we protect the football and we score touchdowns, we're always going to be in good shape. And then never get relaxed with the details. This is a detailed offense.

And so just when you think you're doing everything the right way, all of a sudden one little detail can hurt you. So I think our coaching staff, Coach Reed, all the guys, the players, they're professionals. When's that guy going to get a head coaching opportunity? A quarter to never. So let's just, big news, well, not huge news. The left tackle that we talked about, mysteriously absent.

Josh Simmons, we're not going to guess. It's a personal matter. He's missing. So the left tackles out. Their guard, Trace Smith, who's very good. He is listed as doubtful. Again, I don't know what chicanery is going on with the Chiefs Injury Report. Two offensive linemen down ain't great against a Washington defensive front with pain, kinlaw.

Like, I'm just, there's a world where Washington makes this interesting. All right. And I think the only play here is taking, if you can get 11, great. 10 and a half is not as good, obviously. Do you have a side here? Well, I didn't know Trey Smith was out, but I would take Kansas City at home with Mariotta playing, who gets hurt and also makes mistakes.

So I... Revenge spot for Marietta against Andy Reid. And remember that tough playoff loss where I think the Titans led like 21-0 or 19-0 and blew the game. If you want a fun player prop, Debo Samuel first touchdown. I do think Washington kicks into gear. Kingsbury looks good. Debo Samuel's like plus 1,600 for first honey.

J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Highlight of today's show has to be my Laker trade proposal with Austin Reeves. We'll be agree on that. And the Justin Herbert, I made an exception. I will allow Justin Herbert.

it was an off day to wear his hat on backwards. It's an executive decision. I am a romantic. Shame on me. But he's got his, you know, a new companion. And so you've got to, you know, listen, you can't just be rigid all the time. I have made an exception on the backward hat. Next up, one of the great voices, young voices of college football, Josh Pate,

Lane Kiffin, LSU. What do we make of Indiana? Loopy! The Hoosiers are of power. It's the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. and finding ways to win no matter what.

He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup,

he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's first, friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball like, after you go through a training camp with that

Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit,

season two goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean.

Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Geomanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly he became a little. someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy, but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has a

secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tonight, it's game three of the world. series as the scene shifts to LA where Vlad Jr. and the

Blue Jays take on Show Hey O'Tani and the Dodgers. Game three of the World Series. Coverage begins tonight at 7 p.m. Eastern, 4 p.m. Pacific on Fox. By the way, tip of the cap to our graphics department or whoever

is making those ghosts appear on the screen, whatever department that is, way to go. That is awesome. him. His name is Josh Pate, and I think he's the best young voice in college football hands down.

The Josh Pate College Football Show on YouTube. He is tremendous. And so I want to bring him in today. He really knows all the sport. And so I thought Brian Kelly would work. I thought the fit was weird, especially when he did a, I joked about this last night. The Hillary Clinton's southern

twang suddenly appeared. It was a little odd. But I thought it would work, Josh. It didn't. Where did it go wrong? All right. So I was telling someone else this this morning. I was talking to my dad about this last night. I grew up in the deep south. We are used to people from the north coming in who have been schooled by consulting firms all located in Manhattan on how to appeal to Southerners. So Brian Kelly had clearly gone through that ringer before he took the basketball court with a mic in his hand. And he did the southern accent and he had these cringy videos with recruits. Not everybody, Colin. A lot of people. think that's where the, you know, the fit didn't happen. That's not what mattered. If he would have won, they don't care if he speaks Portuguese, pig Latin, they don't care. If he won, he would have fit.

And the entirety of Louisiana would have gotten behind him. I think fundamentally, Brian Kelly never understood how to harness Louisiana. That sounds kind of Hallmark cardish, I know, but what I really mean by that is if you come in there and you just do above average work in recruiting and ingratiating yourself to those people. It is a rocket booster attached to your back. And I mean, there's a reason Orgeron figured out a way to win there, unless Miles figured out a way to win there, it's because Louisiana figures out a way for you. And what's crazy, the closer you get to the program is they got some really, really good people in that building down there. I just don't think Brian Kelly ever really wanted to roll his sleeves up and get dirty. Now, compared to someone out there working 40 hours a week,

Brian Kelly was a grinder. Compared to his peers, Brian Kelly was not a grinder. Yep, this is what I heard. You know, Dan Mullen didn't love recruiting. Heard him at Florida. You got to roll your sleeves up. So I've got to ask you, Penn State's got an opening, Florida's got an opening, LSU's got an opening. I've been to Gainesville half a dozen times.

I think it's a great college town. I would take Florida. LSU is almost its own country. It's its own vibe. Penn State's good, but again, I get the state of Florida. You're an expert of this stuff. If I line those up, and I'm Lane Kiffin, let's say, and he's going to make the playoffs at Ole Miss, what's viewed in the sport as the best of those three?

There are a lot of people in the sport that think the LSU is the best job in college football. So if you take generic college football coach or take them all in pour them in a blender and pour it out, they would say LSU, Florida, Penn State in that order. But you and I've talked about this before. You know as well as I do, there are some candidates out there that have very, very, very, very peculiar or maybe not peculiar, but very specific ties or draws or things they value. It could be anything from I want to live close to the beach to I played in and grew up in the Midwest to my wife has family in eastern Pennsylvania and I'd love for her to be close to

them. That heavily impacts which job you take. Like if you're Kiffin, I don't particularly feel like he's a puzzle piece fit in Pennsylvania. I think it worked wonders in Gainesville. I think it'd fit great in Baton Rouge. And on the topic of Lane, I got to be real with you, man. Everybody's got an opinion on this. And I do as well.

Like if I had to lean one way, I'd say 55, 45, I think he'll leave if he's offered one of these jobs. But you've had big offers in front of you in life. Okay, so think about this. You're at ESPN. It's one thing to float the concept of going to Fox or going a political router, whatever. It's another thing when you get to call calling the office. on the table. It's time to discuss. It's time to decide yes or no. That's when you really find out where your heart is. I'm going to be real with you. I don't even think Lane Kiffin's arrived

at that spot yet. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're winning. It's his offense. They're going to make the playoffs. There's no hurry, by the way. Okay, explain to a casual fan. They look at Indiana and they're like, what in the world is that? We know Ohio State's great. Texas A&M gets, you know, great recruits. Explain Indiana blowing out everybody and looking like, I mean, if they played Ohio State today, is it a one

point spread? Explain Indiana football. I have my dad explain Florida State football pre-Bobby Bowden to me 50 times when I was growing up because I grew up in the era where Florida State was already a powerhouse. He had to explain to me, no,

once upon a time, they were like a map dot on the college football landscape and this guy came in there and he harnessed what Florida state could be. But even then, what he was doing was getting a bunch of kids from Florida. That's not even what SIG's doing. I think what he did do is he sort of punted the ant bed, as Mee-Maw would say, and out from that ant-bed came a whole lot of money. And it turns out, Indiana's always had a staggering resource pool to invest in college football. Now look, I immerse myself in this stuff. And I'd be lying if I told you this wasn't a surprise to me as well. What I have found hilarious is everyone wants an

explainer. I do too. Sometimes a guy is just a perfect fit at the perfect place, at the perfect time. Now, a lot of people admit that about Kurt Signity. They say, oh, what a magic job. He's pulled off there. But then that same person in the very next breath when it comes coaching search time says, all right, where's the next Signity? Maybe there's not one. You know, maybe this really was just an example of a guy who was ready to jump, and he was at James Madison, took a lot of his players with him. But that was last year. They had to re-portle again this year.

And you know how bad it makes people look at major programs when he hit with the quarterback he brought with him? But then he went and got Mendoza at Cal. Meanwhile, I got Auburn wasting away with Jackson Arnold. I got half a dozen other examples of places that portled and failed. And Kurt Signity's just sitting over there looking pissed off that he's only up by 50. It's the craziest thing in the world. It is in my lifetime. It's crazy. Okay, there's a bunch of college quarterbacks. I watched Ty Simpson again this weekend. I just want to see, I want to see, wow, he's good.

We got a minute and a half left. If I said one of them is going to be a number one pick, a month ago, I thought it was Dante Moore. Ty Simpson, what do you make? Is it the kid? It's South Carolina, who's a hyperathletic kid who can, who can The Rams could take him and sit him behind Stafford for a year. Give me the college quarterback that you think makes a Sunday player. Good Sunday player. Okay. I would be with you on Lenora Sellers. So let me put him in a compartment over here.

The one thing I'll say about Ty is something that's bitten a lot of these guys that were hyped in the preseason like Kate Club Nick at Clemson or Garrett Nussmeyer is they don't have complimentary ground games and too much has been put on their shoulders and it's just imploded. Ty Simpson's complimentary ground game is not there. Bama's in like the 100s in traditional rushing numbers this year. What stood out to me, and this is a testament to him and Ryan Grub and Kaelin DeBore, is they've still been able to scale their offense.

No one has crowbarred Alabama right now. Georgia did in the second half, but that was after Bama already got out to a big lead because they dominated the first half. I think that actually speaks to the credit of Ty Simpson. And last week, I don't think that was that tough to see coming, man. That's fifth straight up week in a row on the road desperation mode for South Carolina. They go into a buy now. They got four games, then maybe a trip to Atlanta.

I think you may see him play his best ball down the stretch. Josh Pate, his college football shows on YouTube, great voice, best young voice in college football. I have gray hair. Everybody's young to me. But Josh is a rising ascending. There you go. Look at it. Whatever.

That's beautiful. Great scene, my man. Great seeing you, Colin. All right, Josh Pate, remember that name, covering college football for 15 years and just crushes it every time I talk to him. Yeah, you know, he heard the same thing I did on Brian Kelly. I talked to a coach last year, and he's like, man, it's 80 hours. The first two years you're a program, it's 80 hours a week. He's like, Brian wants to golf.

He'll give you 55. Does he want to roll it? And I don't blame him. I don't blame him. I like golf way more now than I did 10 years ago. Like, I get it. I'm not good at it. I was just saying I like it.

And it's, so there you go. I did not ask a USC question, providing once again an example of the kind of journalism this show employs on a regular basis. Jay Mack, yeah, I know everybody likes Washington tonight. That's not how I'm in a role. Well, we don't like Washington.

I like the 11 points. How did you do in your picks? It was great. Four and one in the contest. Listen, I'm, not as hot as you, but I've had a good three-week stretch here. Starting to see the ball a little more clear off the pitcher's fingers. I will say this.

This week was a big favorites weekend. I've already seen the early numbers. A couple of dogs. Well, the numbers are inflated big time. There's a lot to chew on here coming up this week. How about the Rams? They are favored by a lot. Rams, say it again, breaking news.

Rams, we predicted this after that Philly loss when they couldn't stop. A.J. Brown. Rams went out to the Titans, picked up a former second round pick corner, maybe got a little size to him. Depending on how that corner plays, they give up a fifth or a six round pick. They've got two-fives, two-six in April, and two-ones. So we'll give you a fifth or six. If he plays, we'll give you a fifth. So the Rams trading deadline is coming up. The Rams made the move we predicted. I want to watch New England. I also want to keep your eye on New England, keep your eye on the Colts getting an edge rusher. Keep your eye on these Super Bowl level teams. Rams, Colts, New England is maybe not quite there yet, but would New

England make a move on a sideline receiver? Sneaky interesting game coming up. You mentioned the Colts. Colts at Steelers next week. I'm just telling you, Pittsburgh is desperate. And I know Aaron Rogers, oh, he's been good, Jay. They were one for 10 on third down. last night, and I'm fairly certain the one conversion was via penalty in the secondary. So Aaron Rogers has not been great, Colin. Let's be real. Despite the

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