The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - More on the NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to tell Colin why Ohio State QB CJ Stroud will succeed in the leagueSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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season on Fox starting Saturday as the Memphis showboats take on the Houston Gamblers at 7 Eastern. Then on Sunday, the New Jersey Generals take on the Michigan Panthers at 4 Eastern, all on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Well, 43 years at NFL films, he watches tape for a living. We use him during the NFL season and the day of the draft. Let's bring in Greg Kossel. So let's start with quarterbacks. And let's start with, you know, Green Bay is an interesting team.

Green Bay, due to the Jets deal, they got a first and two seconds, and they've got to get a receiver and a tight end and an edge rusher. But they don't know what Jordan Love is. So my guess is if a Max Duggan from TCU was available in like the third round, they'd go get him. Let me throw out a couple of quarterbacks that I think Green Bay would go after. Let's start with Fresno State Jake Hainer, not ideal size, not ideal. A total gamer feels a little Colt McCoy to me. is he worth a pick in the third or fourth round? I mean, I personally think so.

He was of the non-top quarterbacks, and I'm sure we'll get to those. But I really liked Jay Caner a lot on film. He's, it's obvious he's competitive. Of course, that in and of itself doesn't make for a great quarterback. But there is a timing and rhythm to his game, Colin.

There's a decisiveness to him. He turned the ball loose. you could see that the sort of physical and mental toughness in the way in which he played. He did have some second reaction ability. He understood where to go with the ball. He processed things well. You know, he's under six feet, which, you know, is less of an issue today than it was years ago, as you well know. I would say most people would see him as a backup type.

Yeah. But again, then you get into style of team, running game, receivers, what your defense looks like. Could a guy like Jake Hainer start in those situations? You think of a Taylor Heineke who started for Washington and quite frankly did okay. So I think Hayner probably falls into that category. Okay, let's do Hendon Hooker, who's seen as the fifth quarterback. Little older had an ACL, but when I watched him and I watched plenty of Tennessee football, big, beautiful ball, moves enough.

What is the tape, what does the tape say? Yeah, and you're right. That's what the tape says. I mean, he's a strong arm quarterback. He's got really good throwing traits. He can work the intermediate and deeper levels. The issue you face with him, and it may or may not be an issue, but he ran, as you know, a relatively pure air rate offense. And what's that means is a strong emphasis on no huddle fast tempo. The really wide splits by the receivers. So it's, you know, the college field is different from the NFL field due to the hash marks. So therefore, the wide side of the field is really wide.

And what we call pure progression reads. And pure progression means that you really don't have to know anything about the defense. You simply, you have a primary read. If he's open, you throw it. If he's not, it doesn't matter why he's not. You just go to number two. If number two is not open, you go to number three. You don't have to understand the defense.

You're not taught defense. You just throw it to the guy who's open, so to speak, which sounds simplistic. but in the NFL, you need to know and understand defense. So when you look at, let's go to the guys now that are at the top. Will Levis, why is his judgment? I talked to two NFL execs. They really question his judgment. Is it because he falls in love with his big arm?

You know, Brett Farf could do that where he would make throws you just don't do. Why does a kid who is reportedly very smart, mom went to Yale, big S2 score, why does he make so many bad throws? You know, I think, don't forget, here's what his background has been. He started for two years there. The first year was with Liam Cohen, who came from the Rams and then went back to the Rams, but he was the offensive coordinator in 2021. It's a very defined offense, Colin.

So he is used to, and in a sense it was the same this year in 2022, but for some reason the whole year was a struggle for many reasons. But even 2021 when he was better, everything was clearly defined. And I think he's used to playing that way. I don't think he's used to going through progressions in the way that, let's say, an NFL quarterback would be taught in a strict sense. So I think for him to succeed, particularly early in his career, he would need to be in an offense, a lot of play action, a lot of define reads,

define throws, know where you're going with it, not have to do a lot of elimination of what's not there and then isolating what is there. I think you have to keep it. I hate using the word simple because that makes it seem like he's not a smart player. But I think that's the style of offense he would have to be in where everything is really clearly laid out for him. And by the way, there's NFL offenses like that as well where quarterback succeed. C.J. Stroud, a lot of predetermined throws. Ohio State's got remarkable left tackles and receiver.

is there, let we know what he, you know, he's a very accurate thrower, sets in the pocket, Jared Goff is seen as a comp? Is there anything on tape with C.J. Stroud? You didn't like that's a red flag or a warning at all? Not a major warning, but I think you nailed it. There's many predetermined throws. That's true in a lot of college offenses. And there's certainly a difference, which is always hard to know when you watch tape between predetermination and anticipation. It's a very hard thing to know for sure. I think there are questions.

If there's a true question, you'd say it would be about his ability to function in muddy, contested pockets. Most things are clean. He moves a little better than people think, and it wasn't just the Georgia game. There are many examples during the season where he moved a little bit and did show some pocket movement and did make some plays outside of structure. He's a really pretty thrower. And he does something that not a lot of college quarterbacks do, Colin. and he throws with pace and touch. He's not a fastball thrower.

Now he can muscle it up at times, but he's also extremely accurate at the intermediate and deeper levels. And what you said is true, and a lot of people look at that and say, oh, he's just like every Ohio State quarterback, great offensive talent, he's throwing to five-star receivers,

they've got great offensive linemen, anybody could do that. But he's still, if you just look at his traits, they're pretty high level. Yeah. I think that Jared Goff comp, comp I heard is he's a tall kid he throws a really pretty catchable ball occasionally Jared can

zip it in there but he's not known as a you know a power thrower but that's not the world's worst comp Jared Goffs won a lot of games okay um will Anderson the rush edge people are saying now maybe he's just a situational edge rusher I don't think he's a bosa I don't think he looks physically like uh chase young what is he on tape some people say he regress this year. What do you see? Yeah, I think he's an explosive physical power player, much more than a true athletic player. I think when, and I watched a ton of him last year, last summer from 2021, and of course this year, he's obviously a good player, but if you're really evaluating him, he's a little tight-hipped, he's a little straight line linear. But he's

explosive, he's powerful. Keep one thing in mind. What Alabama did defensively, a lot of stunting and a lot of slanting. And that helped him tremendously. It helped him shoot into gaps. It helped him when they stunt it, you know, as the looper come around and there'd be nobody in front of him. And that really added to his statistics. But he's a power player more than an athlete. Think of it this way. And I think people can see this. Think about a motorcycle and when it lean. means. He doesn't have motorcycle lean. He's not that kind of pass rusher. Yeah. Okay, Ohio

State, I watched all of these receivers a lot. Jackson Smith and Digba for the Buckeyes. He's got a little bit more, it feels like a little more burst than a Jordan Addison. Yep. I mean, he's just, I mean, I think Jordan's a route runner. He's

small, good hands, not going to run past anybody. Who do you, who who's Jackson's comp here to you? Oh, I don't know if I have an exact comp, but I really like the player a lot. Okay. And I think you lose sight of the fact that he's almost 6-1 and almost 200 pounds. He is really quick in and out of breaks.

And in 2021, when he played the whole season, 104 of his 113 targets came out of the slot. But he is big enough to play on the outside. So I think he's going to give you inside, outside flexibility. And I really like him. He's one of my favorite receivers in this draft just because of his ability to separate. He is really quick in short spaces. So Bejohn Robinson, I've said this multiple times over the last three days. I've had multiple scouts, people in the league tell me,

Bejohn's about as clean a prospect as you can have. Catch, run, quick, durable, coachable. I mean, I think he's got more fluidity than a Jonathan Taylor who's just track fast. It feels like kind of goes full speed ahead. A little more fluidity. I don't know if he's as powerful as a Zeke. I don't know if he's as shifty as a Sequin, but I feel like he's an A-back. I look at him and I think, oh, that's a Pro Bowl level back.

That's what it looks like to me. What say you on the tape? Yeah, I like Bezon Robinson a lot. I actually think he's a better prospect than Sequin was coming out of Penn State. I think that the issue with backs now, and this is where I think, the NFL and offensive coaches are going to have to really think this through because everybody says, of course, don't draft backs. But when you have a player like Bejean Robinson or a Jamir Gibbs from Alabama, they are offensive weapons who are explosive, Colin. Doesn't it become incumbent upon

offensive coaches to figure out a way to maximize that explosiveness? You're trying to create big plays. These guys can give you big plays. You know, these guys are totally different than the Derrick Henry's of the world who are just basically running backs who you hand the ball to. Robinson, when you line him up, detached from the formation, he runs routes. He looks like a wide receiver. That's true of Jemir Gibbs as well. So these are offensive weapons who can create explosive plays anytime you need to have these guys on the field. All right, let's circle back for Greg Kossel's big play of the week to C.J. Stroud. He's the one that's kind of undefined now. We think Will Levis is coming up and Bryce Young has won and nobody's quite sure on CJ.

Let's see the play. Yeah, I just chose this play. I happen to like C.J. Stroud a lot based on tape. You know, the other stuff, you can talk to people all day long. You'll get different points of view. But let's show the play. This is a touchdown he threw against Michigan State. And I chose this play essentially because it's an NFL play.

And, you know, a lot of people talk about college offense versus NFL offense. But this is an NFL concept. Strouds in the gun. The formation is closed to the boundary. There's no split receiver. Then you get their two five-star receivers twins to the field. Okay, they have all five-star receivers. Right now, the defense is in split safety.

But what they're going to do is they're going to blitz that player. So what you're going to get now is you're going to get the receiver closest running into the middle of the field, and then you're going to get Harrison, who's the back receiver essentially one-on-one now because of the nature of the route concept. And this is what happens in the league. You go twins to the field, you work one receiver into the middle to eat up the safety, and then you get one-on-one on the outside, and it becomes pitch and catch. This is something you see in the league.

It relates to what you were talking about. I mean, you look at Stroud when he's clean in the pocket, he's the cleanest thrower in this draft class. So the question is, where does he go? Can you protect him? and can you make it easier for him, relatively speaking? Greg CoSell, 43 years NFL films, one of our favorite weekends of the year with the NFL draft.

My friend, great seeing you again. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. Yeah, now he makes me like CJ Stroud. Let's take him second. Greg talks me to a lot of people. He got me taking Jake Hainer to, how about we go Jake Hainer? Let's say the Packers get go receiver,

tight end edge rusher, third round they got a pick. Get a backup. You and I agree on this. The quarterback that nobody's talking about that I think's going to end up starting in the NFL is Max Duggan at TCU. Now, I don't know how great he's going to be, but I think he has a better arm than Brock Purdy. I think he's basically Brock Purdy with a better, everybody always knocked Max Duggan's arm.

His arm's good. It's fine. Well, it depends where you land. If he's landing in Philadelphia or San Francisco, yeah, he's going to be. got a shot, but if he ends up in Chicago or some other outpost, he's not going to have any chance. So he is my underdrafted player. The guy that will, he'll

start at some point in this league. Maybe it's just six, seven games. I think Max Duggan, quarterback TCU, is worth a third round pick. Well, you know, Chris Felica, the bear, obviously. He's a Jets fan, so we text a lot, and he was saying how he likes Jake the Snake. This was before Rogers. Like, if the Jets got to draft

the quarterback, Jake Hainer, but he's he likes him a lot. He is, but he makes plays, man. He's one of those winners. Well, he beat UCLA and just, and he was all banged up, like wincing throughout the game. So he's a gamer. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with Aaron Rogers because we got to talk about him every hour. So yesterday, he a couple jabs at the Packers saying, you know, if you want to get a hold of him, you got to FaceTime him. And he didn't have any missed video calls from the Packers.

Well, of course, Brian Gutekunz, the GM of the Packers, was then asked about those comments, and he made it clear, listen, we're focused on the Packers. We're moving forward. We try to communicate on a number of levels. Once we couldn't, we communicate with his agents quite a bit. So, you know, I'm not going to get into that. I think that it's not good for us, not good for them, and we're going to just kind of move forward but I appreciate the question but there was no lack of effort and communication on that

part from us we have so much appreciation for the 18 years and what Aaron did for this organization you know there's always a little bittersweetness there you know as far as that goes you know but at the same time I think we're really excited for what this team can do moving forward excited for you know Jordan and his growth great conversation with him today and just you know he's very obviously energized and ready to go so you've had a couple jobs you've left right? You always want to leave on good terms. Say the right things publicly. I get along with every place I've ever left. Behind the scenes, you can take all the shots you want and say stuff privately, but... Aaron does it the opposite. Aaron takes shots publicly. Yeah. And then, and then, I'm a big believer in, don't Nae Palm Bridges. Just get along with people move on.

When you're taking shots at somebody, it generally means you have animosity. I don't have, I've left local, I've left ESPN. I don't, I don't get it. I do my, you and I are similar this way, because you and I love the business of what we do. We do 99% of what we do is behind the scenes. Yeah. It's strategy behind the scenes. I don't like when Aaron goes passive, aggressive, and take shots at people. So, you know, I said started the website, sold it. And eventually, like years later, I got pushed out by these guys and they took some jabs at me in the media. How's it doing now? I took the high road. Of course you did. I took the high road. Now, privately to you, I ran it and ranes because we're friends. I remember. But, yeah, that's the story. Anyways, next story. Bejjou.

John Robinson. This is your guy. I was surprised you had him going eighth in the draft. The Eagles are sitting at 10 and apparently, you know, they lost Miles Sanders. Apparently the Eagles are interested in him at 10, but other NFC teams reportedly do not want to see him end up in Philly. He believes, or these sources believe that the pairing would be scary. Colin, I just went back 10 years, first round running backs. Many of them didn't even get a second contract with that team. I know. A lot more traded. A lot of them, some of them are out of the league. league. Todd Gurley went 10th overall. It was like a comet in the NFL for like two years.

I just, I'm not buying a running back in the top ten. I don't buy it, especially not to Atlanta. But let me ask you this. I've always said this about kickers. You can't draft a kicker. Well, that's funny because the best coach ever Bill Belichick has. Yeah, your leading scores in the sport. In what sport would the leading score not be a draftable position? It's just dumb guys. Okay, so running backs. A good running back who can catch like Bijon. He is going to be 1,500 yards to an offense.

In what galaxy, in what sport would somebody that produces 1,500 yards? What level of football is that not valuable? Well, it just so happens. We have a couple examples of that. All right. So Travis E.T.N. coming out of Clemson, went 25th. He did. A lot of these running backs got hurt.

By the way, he was good last year. He did some things. He was good. Sequin Barclay went second overall. Barkley has been, when healthy, terrific. Zeke was terrific. Bill Belichick, the genius you just referenced, took Sony-Michel. That was a bad pick.

Nick Chubb, second round. That's ideal. Can I go? Second round. Okay, so Zach Sharper, the UCLA kid. He'll go third round, top of the third round. That's ideal that you can get a star running back in the third round. But, but there's one running back in this draft class that is a first-day star.

It's him. Okay, there was one of those, and his name was Ezekiel Elliott. He went fourth overall to Dallas. He had a good run. How many playoff wins was he integral to in Dallas? Okay, okay. What was his production? Yeah, he put a numbers.

Massive. I don't look at it as playoff wins. If I draft Bejohn, and he gives me 1,500 yards and four touchdowns per year, year. And by the way, he goes to go more than that. Let's say 13, let's say 13 to 1500 yards. Rush and receiving, right? Yes. And six touchdowns a year. Give me that player. Why wouldn't I want that production? I don't know. It just feels like you can get that with like a fifth Algier, the kid in Atlanta. We laugh at him. He might have wanted somebody a fantasy football contest. Yeah. He was like a late round pick, fifth or six round. And he delivered a thousand yards, a bunch of

touchdowns, and they have Cordarelle Patterson. Those two guys combined are better than what you're going to get from one guy and be Jean. All right. Well, I wouldn't take them top ten. Final story, we got some odds here. Quarterbacks to go in the first round tonight, the total is four and a half at Foxbet. We know Young is going.

We know Stroud is going. We think Levish is going. Yeah, Levis is going. First round. And we think Anthony Richards is going first round. So to hit the over. You need Hendon Hooker. You need Hendon Hooker.

And- What's the very bottom of the first round? Kansas City. Yeah, it's not good. Not good if you need a quarterback. That being said, Vikings at 23 are in play. I think he fits there. I do too. Big, strong kid that can move.

If they pass on him, you're probably screwed and you can tear off the ticket. Unless somebody trades into the first round, like, did the Ravens trade in to get Lamar? At 32? Yes. I didn't get it. Yeah, they did. So that could be a scenario if somebody loves Hendon Hooker, the 25-year-old, quarterback coming off in ACL.

Minnesota works because I think Hooker is probably some. He's a little raw, but put him behind Kirk Cousins for a year. They've drafted a few quarterbacks behind Kirk, I think, and they've never panned out. Kellyn Monde. Do you remember that

experiment? I didn't work. Bad. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News. Now you got me rethinking everything here. What, Bijon Robinson? I don't know.

I mean, Todd Gurley, Calhard, was unstopped. He was like an MVP candidate. And within two years, he was out of the league. Now, let me ask you this, though. Why do I, why does every draft pick have to be a 12-year player? If I'm, let's say, okay, let's just take the top 10 teams. Every first round pick, you're saying, right? Why?

Let me give you an example. Let me give an example that, I'll give you some example here. Okay. I don't need him. Okay. say, I'll just throw the Eagles out. So Philadelphia has just paid their quarterback of fortune. They have tight ends and wide receivers and aging O line.

The key for Philadelphia is let's make sure Jalen Hertz can we reduce the number of times he runs. You get B. Jean Robinson. Jalen hurts, cuts his rushing attempts in half. So not only am I getting the production for B. John Robinson and Fisle. Philly. I am literally saving years and hits off my quarterback. I mean, they've got the receivers, the tight ends, and the O line. Now, I would argue I like getting Skoronski the O line, interior O line. But he, their O line's great.

But that's the way I think about it. Like when they got Zique in Dallas, Zique is the reason, if Dallas had no run game, what is Dak? He ain't going 13 and 3. So if you get a star running back in a top. pick and you have a young quarterback that, you know, I mean like Baltimore could argue, yeah, we like Lamar. We don't want him to run anymore.

Okay, I'll give you an example. Buffalo. Buffalo now is acknowledging publicly the coach and the quarterback. Josh Allen needs to run less. What would be wrong, Buffalo moving up and saying there's a way to make Josh Allen run less, get a star running back. I'm not just saying. My counter on the Jalen Hertz, and I like that, is the thing that makes him so dangerous

is the running ability, right? Because he's the dual threat quarterback. You can't just drop back in a zone or whatever. Your defense is going to be impacted because of the way Hurts runs. Right. In the Super Bowl, he had a case for MVP because of his legs. Okay. Kept them in the game.

Same with Josh Allen. Right. If he becomes a pocket passer, is Josh Allen is dangerous? You go from 11 rushes to one, but 11 rushes to six. Josh Allen, from seven runs to three. What I'm saying is I'm not taking away the. fastball, I just don't want you to throw it as often. And so I said this about John Morant.

I love the spectacular. Dude, you need to score 16 a night on mid-range jumpers or easy threes. Not everything can be a firework show because somebody's got to clean up the fireworks. So let me ask you, you watch that Bill's offense against the Bengals. They need a running back. Okay. They need a running back. But they, like the offensive line's not opening up anything.

Like Singletary had no room. The running backs had no room. It's not going to open up all of a sudden. What the great running backs do? They find room. I mean, it's great running backs find you extra yards. So I just think if I have a young quarterback or a quarterback that's either young that needs help or moves a little more than I like, by the way, Russell Wilson with Marshawn Lynch felt like a different quarterback

than Russell Wilson last year without a run game. That's why that emergence of that young running back for Denver who's coming off an injury. All of a sudden, he becomes a 1,300-yard rusher. Russell Wilson's running becomes more effective because he can pick his spots. And remember, the Jets' offensive line wasn't good, but Brees Hall gets in there and is just making things happen for like five weeks. He looked like a top five back in the league. I would also argue at this point in Aaron's career, he runs less. So running back means more to Aaron than six years ago.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The NFL draft is tonight, and you have a chance to win $5,000 for free-playing Fox Bet Super 6. Download the Super 6 app on your phone and enter your six day-one predictions for a chance at the jackpot. All right, Jay Mack, tonight, first round, NFL superlatives. So we're going to do, you prompt me and I'll tell you, overrated, underrated sleepers, class clown, here we go.

Okay. Which team will be this year's biggest overachiever? I'm going to go with a team that generally is patient and is rewarded the Chargers. Derwin James fell into their lap. Rashon Slater fell into their lap. I think they're going to sit down and get a good. great tight end later in the first round. Kellyn Moore coming now to work.

Just talk to somebody, Chase Daniel yesterday, loves what Kellynne Moore is going to do for him. The chargers in this draft are going to get a receiver. They're going to get a tight end. Kellyn Moore, they're going to overachieve in the draft. Jets. Sorry. Which team will be this year's class clown? I don't trust the Raiders.

They butcher first round picks. So you got a new coach. I mean Alex Leatherwood, Henry Ruggs, Colin Farrell, Cleland Farrell, Jonathan Abram. They can't get the first round pick right. It does appear this year they want a corner, and there's two good corners. So I'm hope. I also think they'll overdraft on a quarterback behind Garoppolo, and they could get Max Duggan's second or third round. I just don't trust the Raiders.

Which rookie is most likely to succeed? The receiver for Ohio State. Listen, rookie receivers come into this league and give you a thousand yards. It happens. Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. He set the Big Ten receiving record. His sophomore year, he's been great in bowl games. And again, you put him to a Philadelphia, receiving corners, receivers, and backs in 2023 can walk into this league and be highly productive.

He'll come in and be fantastic. You know, you had some good rookie receivers. He'll come in and star his first year. This one's a little tougher because, spot matters which rookie is least likely to succeed. Well, I think Anthony Richardson's a total project. First of all, he's had all sorts of injuries. Hamstring, concussion, knee, shoulder.

He completed 54% of his throws. He's just not ready to play. So where he lands is super important. You know, if he goes to a Seattle and doesn't have to play for two years, that's fine. But he's least likely to succeed next year. This is a, he's the definition of a prospect and a project. which team is most likely to repeat a grade. And be back next year, Arizona, because Kyler Murray is not going to play until Thanksgiving.

They have a first year coach. They got to rebuild their D-line. They had the second worst defense. Now you have your quarterback. Kyler Murray's apparently told the team he wants a left tackle Paris Johnson with a first pick. Disaster. Well, if they're here next year at the top. Oh, I would take Caleb Williams.

I would just, I just, yeah. First of all, I think Caleb's, unless you have Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, I think Caleb Williams, you have to take it. And move your other quarterback. If you want a good laugh, look at the Cardinals' defensive depth chart right now. It is like, who are these dudes? Which rookie is the biggest troublemaker? Well, I think the red flags go to Jalen Carter, though he's great.

But, I mean, you know, you watched, he struggled. He couldn't finish his pro day. So with him, it's not a lack of talent, some character issues. That said, there's no way he doesn't get drafted in the top 10. He is a dominant football player in the best college conference. In the biggest games, he can be just unblockable. Which rookie is best dressed? Meaning he looks good, but he's not necessary.

It's Bejohn Robinson. I don't think you need a running back in the first round. If you told me he's available at 10 for Philadelphia, Rashad Penny doesn't give you 13 starts a year. You don't think they'd take him? Nope. I think it's all smoking. Wow. No interest.

You don't think you... I like them. No chance to work. I want you real quick for me. Rank the most important positions in the NFL. Quarterback, edge rusher, left tackle, star receiver, interior push defensive lineman. You forgot cornerback? I think it's a...

Gardner, come on. Turn around the defense. Couldn't score a touchdown last three games. All right, fine, fine. We're at five. Don't tell me running back is more important than corner. Weapon. Secondary weapon.

Then corner. A secondary weapon. Receiver one, then a secondary weapon, wherever it is. Should we do a side bet on the Eagles taking Bejohn if he's there? I say they pass. You do realize a third of the first round whiffs. He's available. You're not going to take him at 10.

He has zero chance to whiff. Let's do a side wager. Okay, let's do it. Let's finish this. Okay. Final one. Which team will be the biggest? Oh, gosh.

Drama Queen. Titans, I think. move up. I think they either take, like, I think Titans are interesting. Great coach, good defense run game. Did they look at C.J. Stroud if he falls or will love us? I think they're going to be the most interesting. I think Seattle at five and Tennessee at 11, keep your eye on. So what is the side bit? If Bejohn Robinson is available. I really want to get you in a knit hat, that Kevin Durant knit hat that you love. Third hour tomorrow, knit hat? No. So if he's available at number 10, I say the Eagles take Bijon.

You say they don't. Pass. Steak dinner. Wow. All right. I know your taste and it's expensive. No. I don't have to break out the wallet.

Give me a herd beer, herd draft pick and a steak and some broccoli. You got anything else to promote? You got the volume. You're herd burgers. What else are we? What else are we questioned here? Okay. Draft tonight.

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