The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - More on the upcoming NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

Colin talks more about the NFL Draft including some of the best picks at certain positions, red flags in the draft, and which player has the highest ceiling   Guest: Michael ReddSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Played 11 years with Milwaukee. I think in the end, he may have gone to Phoenix, you know, warmed up a little bit. The former Buckeye probably pains him to watch Michigan win a natty. Michael Red is joining us live in the herd. That probably was just a tad painful. Just a little painful, yeah. It was.

And I got calls that night, obviously, from Michigan friends and friends. So, yeah, I mean, the rival spills over to basketball, obviously, in all things. Yeah. The, it's interesting. We were talking earlier about Yaxel Annenberg, and I said, okay, the guy didn't play high school. He didn't play high school basketball until his senior year. Everybody tells me he's old. He is, I mean, the fact that he just started playing at like 17.

or 18 and he's this good. I'm like, I don't care that he's older. I don't care that he doesn't have hops. That's incredible. I think the NBA, Michael, you were built for today's NBA. To be honest with you, you were perfect. Smart, spacing,

speed, shooting, scheme fit. Honestly, I could argue you got to the NBA about six years too soon. When you watch Yaxel, I know he was a Wolverine, I think he works in today's league. Do you? Totally. Totally. I watched him intently, you know, throughout the season. To your point, he's really in basketball years still an adolescence. He's a baby, right, in basketball terms. So the sky is still the limit for him. And he's going to continue to improve. I thought he had a terrific year this year. Michigan clearly the best team in the country throughout the year, along Arizona, but clearly Michigan was the best. And they proved it in the championship game. And I think that the trend from here,

on how it is obviously continuing to have older teams do well in the tournament. Yeah. In basketball and football. Yep, that's what Indiana did in football. You know, I got to tell you, I remember a year ago when Cooper Flag came out, I said, listen, he's not going to be as good as Jason Tatum first year, probably not second. I said, but he is so aggressive. I said he is, and I said, I love Tatum.

Sometimes with Jason, I feel like Jalen Brown's like, now I'm going to run it. And, you know, Kobe wouldn't allow that. Michael Wooden Bird, like, there is something to be said about sometimes being almost obnoxious in wanting the ball. And that's not Jason's personality. Cooper Flagg is a dog. I can't believe how good he is as a teenager. I do think his ceiling is Tatum Plus. Does that sound ridiculous to you? And put emphasis on plus. I really do. I watched him again this year. And obviously the hype from high school to college was there. But to watch it at this level do what he's done has been nothing short of impressive. I think he has an edge to him, to your point, a dog. He's competitive.

His IQ is underrated, really smart basketball players. His ability to read the game is unusual for a 19-year-old. And to have 99 points or 90 points in two games, it's historic. So I think give credit to Coach Kidd as well. for how he's using this year as well. So I, you know, it's interesting with, with the Lakers. I had said on the show, Michael, I said, sometimes you need a really bad day at work. It creates clarity.

Like, you know, because we all want to believe we're doing great. And some day it's just a disaster at work. And you're like, yeah, I'm not quite there yet. The Lakers going to OCC. The injuries stink. But the fact they couldn't compete for three minutes. And you're like, you knew OKC with Luca coming into town. It's like, no, this one count.

that we're going to and i said that's actually great for the new laker owners like guys you need about four jaden macdnials three and these catch and shoot you're not close you're old and unathletic um a lot of people are talking about they have a chance going forward to go get another great player so let's take lebron out of the equation because my guess is unless he takes a pay cut he's gone what would you surround lucca and austin reeves with if you ran the team like what do you think they need because it is an attractive market still. Now they have second richest owners in basketball. What's attractive to you around Luca?

Well, I think size for sure, athletic size, Luca thrives off lobs with bigs, right? But also defensively, someone who can protect those two when they beat off the dribble. Not that they can't get better defensively, but I think you said it best. to three and D guys younger. That's an important factor, getting younger, right? So you look at the model of what OKC has done. You look at the model of what San Antonio has done, right? Kind of shaping and forming their roster into that elk.

And so for me, you've got two stars, take the right out of it to your point. You've got two stars in Austin Reeves and Luca. Now surround them with guys who can defend at a high level that have length and who are young. Yeah. All right. Let's get into the ugly stuff. Milwaukee. You played 11 years there. You love Milwaukee. The other day when LeBron threw shade at Akron, Memphis and Milwaukee, I was like, bro, you can throw shade where you want.

Milwaukee actually spent, you know, $5.5 billion dollars downtown. It's actually beautiful now. It's really nice. Yeah. Yeah. The honest thing's a mess. Shams, I read the Shams story. Apparently it's been a mess for years. Shams has tried to be, go private with it. Like, I'm ready to move. Let's start with this. Who messed up? Who do we blame? Where's the finger get pointed here? Wow.

I mean, blame is strong language, but I will say there's two stories, right? Two sides. You have Milwaukee's perspective and you have Yannis's perspective. This could have ended amicably. Unfortunately, I don't think it will. And from my perspective, I think you look at what Yonis has brought to Milwaukee. You brought him a championship. Obviously, with Drew Holiday and Chris Milton.

hadn't had one since Kareem, right? Obviously, having been played there, I know how challenging it was to win in Milwaukee. But Milwaukee provided a platform, believed in Yannis, and Yonis becomes an international superstar. So, in my opinion, both parties win out of the situation, and it may be time for both parties to part ways going forward

and just move on and not let this too nasty of the ending. Yonis is what happens, Jersey retired. He's going to have all the love and adulation from the city. It's just time to move on. and make it more peaceful than it has to be then then make it more nasty where would you like to see him go where does he fit well i know he wants to win right so obviously golden state is at a desire place obviously playing with stuff uh and and and that team up there i i think you look at new york obviously um there's been some speculation that he wants to play in new york um how does he get there what moves me to be made i don't know uh but i think he would be content with going with a winner does he move to the west coast does he move to the east coast does he move to the east East Coast, right? Is it more easier of a road in the East, in the West? Yeah. Things that he's going to have to consider.

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That matters. New York's our most global city. I kind of feel like, it'd be one thing if he played at Miami, which is cosmopolitan. But I think one of the, and this is not a knock on Milwaukee. I think one of the feelings is Milwaukee's not global. I remember years ago Chicago tried to get the Olympics. And I remember reading a story that were like, well, Chicago is not global. It's just our best domestic city.

I was like, oh, okay. And I think, yeah, I remember reading that story. So I can see him going, okay, I like Milwaukee, but I need a bigger stage. And that to me feels like New York. Does it not? It's the biggest stage. And his play resembles the city, right? He's tough as nails.

The question going forward with Yonis is, as he continues up. age, will he be able to avoid injuries? He's been injury plagued over the last four or five years, right? Still young enough, obviously, but that calf, Achilles area, right, has been plaguing him, different knick-knack injuries, right? So I think him being healthy in a New York roster, right? I don't know who they give up to your point, but it fits the dynamic of that city and that culture in New York. I agree with you on that. So when I was a kid, the NBA draft, I swear to God, it had like seven rounds or something. Now it's got two. You were a second round pick. Dremont was. Yokic was. I watch college basketball. I watch the NBA now. It is so international. I watch college basketball. Well, the NIL, they're

buying all the European players. Go back to your, I just, this is just instructive for me. Go back to your rookie year in the NBA. It was still very much a domestic league. Who was the best Euro in the NBA? Who was the best non, I mean, because Akeem played in the States, right, at Houston. Who was the best Euro in the NBA, your first year in the league? Do you remember?

Well, you look at Dirk, probably. Dirk was ascending at that time in 2000, 2001. Obviously, continue to ascend, but I would say Dirk, you look at Cibonis coming from overseas. Yep, in Portland, right? Yep. Most skilled at that time,

probably. So you look at two guys who were the prototype of what we see now 25 years earlier. So those two guys, when I came into the league, probably stood out the most at that time. Why do you think the last six or seven MVP's non-domestic? What do you think's happened? I don't think it's necessarily a problem. I think it's a reality. But what, I mean, the European players are the top of the league. Do you have a guess why? What do you hear? What do you think? I think the developmental system over in Europe works well. It's proven itself. think when you have so many games played in the AAU level, high school level, right?

Kids tend to burn out or be injury, more injury prone. We've seen that with Zion. We've seen that with Jha over the last couple of years. They were the next wave of American stars. Injuries that played them, I think that stands back to playing so many games in high school through AAU. Europe has a tendency to work on development. I think in America, we need to make sure that we hone in more on development. I have an AAU program myself, but we practice more than we play.

actually. And we work on the fundamentals of the game. The Europeans have seemed to master that but I think there's another wave shifting towards America again with Cooper flag, obviously, and then this rookie class that's coming in. I think you've got some real potential stars coming in. I mean, Concanipal was a nice player at Duke. I'm like, wow, that's surprising. You know, it's funny. You were a second round guy. You popped pretty early in your career. If I recall, year two or three. Did you know, as we get ready for the draft? How long did it take, can you get drafted second round Ohio State? How many practices? Maybe it was a combine. When did you know, oh no, bro, I'm going to score in this league? Like, I'm not going to make the league.

I'm going to be an all-star in this league. Did you know opening camp? I knew in high school. I knew at high school. My core competency was to be able to score the basketball at high level. That travels with you at every level. So it showed itself, obviously, in college, I think I averaged the same amount of points in college than I did in NBA. So, ironically, so I knew from the day one I got to training camp, my rookie year, that I could play at this level and play in this league. And you almost have to be delusional about who you are, right? And I think for me, I had veterans who encouraged my game when I was there. They encouraged me a lot. But I knew that I belong there.

And so if you don't feel that way, you probably don't belong there. Yeah. You look great, Michael, 12 years in the NBA, what's your AU team called? MR-22 elite. And we are on the Adidas side of things.

And all I do this time of the year is pour to these young men and we try to develop them holistically beyond even the court. We want them to be solid citizens as long as well as great players. And so it's been fun, but we do bore them. a lot of developmental work in our practices. Well, that's why I bring on the show. Smart guy.

Great seeing you, Michael. You'll see you too, sir. All right, Michael Redd. Olympic gold medal in Beijing, just a quality dude. Yeah, it's, I like his approach to AAU. And I think I asked him that question, and I kind of knew the answer, but I wanted him to say it, which is, and this is the Knox Steve Kerr has said, you know, a lot of the AAU is getting, I think, better when you get the quality people.

in it, but, you know, the system in Europe at about a 10, 12-year run where it was just superior to our system, and you see what's happening. Although I will say Conkineppel and Michael Cooper Flag are wow, and this draft's going to have eight to 12 more wowes domestic players. John Middlough with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, speaking to AAU, I would imagine Cooper Flag didn't have many troubles on that circuit.

He continues to dominate the league. He had an unreal dunk last night. Things have flipped now, Colin, in the rookie of the year odds. It was con Cognipple. But over the last three or four games, Cooper Cup has looked like the white Michael Jordan here. What do you think? Is this thing a wrap now? Is Cooper Flagg going to win it?

Well, I mean, Flagg's game is different. Kenipple's a really good shooter. He's a really good player. when you watch the two, and I think they're both going to age well, Cooper Flag is just more dimensional. He can just do more stuff. I think he's a better player. I think Con Cinniple can make an All-Star team.

He's a very, very good player. And it's awesome that Charlotte now has kind of got the ball rolling. Like, they're kind of interesting. I think Cooper Flagg's different. There's a difference between all-NBA and making an All-Star game. I think Cooper Flag is all-NBA seven times, that kind of player. You know, when I look at those two guys, and obviously we just had the NCAA tournament.

I know John Shire, they lost on that devastating, you know, basically 30-foot shot to not win a championship with those two players. I mean, Cooper Cup could win MVP's in Conquipal. I mean, is there a chance he's a seven, eight-time all-star? I mean, that's, that's, and they had a lead in the final four against Houston. That one could hurt just as bad as the crazy shot against Yukon for John Shire. Yeah, it's hard, though, because, you know, at Duke, because they recruit

at such a high level, you say, oh, Duke blew that lead with Yukon. Well, they got a bunch of 18-year-olds, and Yukon's got a bunch of men. The only downside to be in Duke is that you're, it's like when Calipari

was at Kentucky. Your whole roster's freshman, you may have one junior, and he's like a late second round pick. And so it's hard for me to, I thought, I didn't like the the loss to Yukon. I didn't get, again, I guess they practice it. When they inbounds the ball, it's like, dude, just hold the ball. Don't try to pass it. Hold the ball. But it's in real time

and the player makes a mistake. It's a turnover. But it's hard to crush Duke because what's happening in college football and basketball, everybody's leaning into age. And Duke's like, Arizona, by the way, same thing. Well, Duke and Arizona can get five star guys that play immediately. You get one year with them. Are you supposed to not recruit them if you can get them? You think there are some similarities with Flag and Grant Hill 30 plus years ago? I mean, it was pretty clear right away. You're like, whoa, Grant. Now, Grant Hill, I think, was there for four years.

But Flag, immediately, they look like an all-around, you know, star of the league. Rookies to average 21, six rebounds, and four assists since the NBA merger. Bird, Michael, Luca, and Flagg. Decent list? Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty impressive. Okay, to the NFL. The NFC North has become, obviously, one of the three.

toughest divisions, top to bottom, and the NFL with success now of the Bears. Entering this season, there's an NFL analyst who believes that Dan Campbell and Kevin O'Connell are entering the year somewhat on the hot seat and could be looking over their shoulder when the season starts. Colin, that one for me, Kevin O'Connell would get a job yesterday. And Dan Campbell, most jobs that open are dumpster fires. He would get hired immediately, too, because he resurrected the Detroit Lions. I think they're both pretty safe. I'm trying to think, I think Brian Schottenheimer,

you've got to keep your eye on. Aaron Glenn, obviously, I mean, Aaron Glenn's the obvious one. He could, it just doesn't work at all. I mean, being a defensive coach and you didn't garner a single interception on the year, that's ridiculous. Well, to me, if Dan Campbell became available,

which I don't necessarily see. He'd get hired quickly. I think the Jets would be, the Cowboys, he played there. you know, he would make some sense. Jack Taylor, you've got to get Joe Burrow to the playoffs this year. Aaron Glenn, Zach Taylor, Brian Schottenheimer a little bit. I think the Cowboys are going to be good.

I mean, I see 10 wins for the Cowboys. Wow. I do. Their offense is fantastic. I think Dak is, he's really become a solid player. Oh, absolutely. You know, and Schottheimer's a good play caller. Their defense was just atrocious last year.

Yeah. Okay. Last but not least, we had, I mean, just a great baseball brawl. You had guys, you know, the story here, Colin, is Solair owns this pitcher. He's gone 14 for 23 with five home runs and three doubles in his career. He had a two-run home run in the first inning. So then he got plunked in his next AB, and then he got up and in his third AB. So this thing's been brewing.

Anytime in baseball, you know, somewhat still the unwritten rules about showing someone up when you had some onage over them. But I kind of agree with Solair here just because I only strike me out or walk me or something. You can't just throw at me. Yeah, that's pretty intense. You know, you don't, if baseball fights,

I mean, this guy, this is, yeah, that's pretty intentional. You have a favorite baseball fight at all time? Apparently they were teammates in Atlanta. Yeah, watch. I think Walt Weiss comes out and makes a tackle here, the manager. You know, the baseball, I'm a sucker for some of,

of like the Will Clark 80s. If you just go to YouTube and watch 80s, it kind of looks like what Dana White's running now. We don't get these as often as we used to, doing. No, God, I remember, I can remember, and folks look this up. This is 35 years of memory. I remember an Atlanta Braves,

I think it's Padres brawl in Atlanta. Yeah. That poured into the, I swear to God, the Braves are in it. Is it giants? I think it's the Padres because Bruce Bochie was a back. up catcher on that team. And I think he was kind of roaming around the, it is an all, don't they go into the stands? Braves, Padres, go back, Google, YouTube it and see if it

shows, I'm just going on memory. I just remember it being insane. It looked like if pro wrestling was real. It was just spilling out into the, like almost felt almost dugouts, crowd, whatever. One of my favorites is probably less than 10 years ago, Bryce Harper and the Giants, a guy named Hunter Strickland threw at Harper. And Harper just, here it is. Harper just had enough. And he misses with the helmet, not a great helmet throw. But then we have just a crazy collision coming up. Because often the first baseman and third baseman, you know, come flying in like safeties. And the collision here, I think the first baseman gets knocked out. And Harper just had enough. I love Bryce Harper. Same. John Middlecock with the news.

Well, that's the news. for stopping by. The herd line news. So it was. Way to go. 1984. Memory still intact. Hey, that switch never turns off.

Padres Braves in Atlanta, it was called the Bean Brawl. And I know my staff will find the video. Next segment. It was brutal. Even the pictures, the still photos of it were like, yeah, that's not great. Good stuff.

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Receivers, edge rushers. I mean, it tells you every position. And if you love the draft, it's just like a Bible. And you just go to it. And we wait for it every year. We brought him on today. the really interesting one is there's a bunch of good edge rushers. Ruben Bain at Miami could end up being as good as any of them,

but his measurements are noticeably kind of red flag. David Bailey may have a lower ceiling. I like him a lot. Plug and play. Arvel Reese is considered to have the highest ceiling, but he doesn't have a singular position yet, and I don't trust him with the Jets. Last hour, he talked about the Bailey Reese debate

with a number two picked by New York. I think it's fair to say it's close. I mean, yeah, you can't ignore what Bailey did this year. I wouldn't say that he's, you know, necessarily the most complete defensive end where I'm going to put that, quote, unquote, safe label on him. But if you want a guy that can just scream off the edge and going to put pressure on the quarterback, Bailey can absolutely do that. But in my opinion, Arvel Reese is the best player in this draft.

And I get there's some worries about, okay, is he in between positions? But I think there's a big difference between being a hybrid and being a tweener. And I think Reese is very much a hybrid player compared to being a tweener. And the other thing about the draft that is great is that this draft always gives you. There's going to be somebody drafted in the fifth round that's a really good player. I mean, George Kittle, fifth round. Niners have a couple of six, seventh round guys, that Jennings and Brock Purdy. Now, I think a guy that could be a star in the league, like, and I'm not going to give the comp being Antonio Brown because I don't,

Antonio's got so many things going on. But the kid, the Chris Bell, the receiver at Louisville, I was reading draft preview months ago. And then I started Googling him and I was like, what? And then he was great against Miami. So if you told me who's the dark horse in the draft, who's going to go in the third round,

potentially, and you're going to look up and he's a pro bowler? I think it's this guy on the TV screen. And Dane talked about him. Ask Miami about Chris Bell. And they'll tell you best receiver, they face this year. He would be a first round player, if not for the ACL. Had the ACL late in the year in November. So a little bit of a discount sticker on his tag. But no, I'm with you. I mean, even going back to the summer, he was my number two receiver coming into the year. Big physical, the accelerations

outstanding. But I think that once you get to the second round, there's going to be more than a few teams looking at Chris Bell and saying, okay, this is maybe that guy we're missing because, yeah, He can take a slant and take it the rest of the way. Just YouTube it and watch the game against Miami. It's an interesting draft in terms of receivers. We have it on the screen here. Tate's an obvious number one. Anybody knows that.

Lemon, Jordan Tyson's banged up, but he's good. Casey Concepcion, again, A&M guy. I think Omar Cooper. I've thought about this. If you're the Raiders, Mendoza number one pick, they have a second round pick. They thought they had another number one with the Max Crosby deal. and then that got rescinded. And so you're, and because a Cooper is one of those bubble guys,

somewhere from 27 to the third pick. Are the Raiders top of the second round yet? Let's check that. I could see the Raiders saying, listen, we need a receiver anyway. Let's just go get Fernando Minoza, his favorite receiver at Indiana. And Cooper's really good.

Cooper's going to be a starter day one in the league. He's a really good player. It just does everything pretty well. Side line, you can put him in a slot. It's just a really good player. Yeah, Raiders have the 36 pick. So I'm really interested to see with the Raiders first pick, it's the quarterback, and what do they do with the second pick?

They need a right tackle. They have one, but do you want to upgrade? I could see them moving up a little bit. Like after the first round, everybody, the night, that night, you get on the phone, and the Raiders move up to the first pick of the second round and give somebody a, you know, they've got three-fourths. I can see the Raiders doing that and saying, let's just get Fernando Mendoza. They already went and got a couple nice receivers, one from the Vikings, their number three receiver.

But that, to me, that's interesting. The, you know, John, when you were working in the NFL, two weeks out from the draft, did the Eagles have it all lined up, knew what they were doing? I think you're kind of in the, I would say the home stretch, maybe like the seventh inning. But you're working, you know, every day, meeting start eight. You're there eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Really kind of honing the board. I think by the time you get to the middle of next week, everyone's maybe early next week.

But this is a big week because all the coaches have watched all the players. They're coming in with some takes, Colin. I mean, they, you know, they got their buddies. You know what Lincoln Riley called me, you know, Sark, called me, or it's not even, sometimes it's the position coach, the coordinator, because all these coaches know the other coaches, and they got opinions, and depending, like you, we talked about all day. Well, a lot of these organizations, who has the juice, the head coach? Well, who do they listen to you sometimes? They're position coaches and coordinators.

So this is, boards can change dramatically right now. The GMs have been working on this for a year, and you got the linebacker coach flying in, all of a sudden a fourth round kid makes his way up to the second round, and you get some big swings, big late swings. So here's the top of the second round. So you're the Raiders and you have Fernando Mendoza. And what did Ben Johnson do when he got to the Bears? Help his young quarterback. Help my guy.

So I mean, what did the Washington do year two? Get him Debo. So you know they want to help Fernando Mendoza. So the offensive coach, Clint Kubiak, helps the quarterback. So the Jets have two first round picks. I could see Aaron Glenn banging the table for defensive guys. And the first round were the Jets pick, one through 16. A lot of good defensive players, more defensive players.

So I can see the Jets at 33 wanting a receiver and the Titans at 35 who get Ravelle Reese in the first round wanting a receiver. So if you're the Raiders at 36, you have to, when the first round ends, buy somebody a bottle of wine. Let's go chat and have a couple apps down the street. Because the Raiders to get Cooper, who I think would be a great pick, I think the Raiders would have to move up. probably have to give up a fourth, a fifth, something like that.

That to me is an interesting one because I do think the way to do it when you have a young quarterback, get an offensive coach preferably, or a whiz kid at coordinator, protect him and get him a weapon. And he's really good with Cooper. Yeah, I agree. All right. I can't wait. Two weeks, as of tomorrow, I'll unveil my mock draft.

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