The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - NBA deals for Beal

Episode Date: June 15, 2023

Colin discusses possible deals for teams to get Wizards Bradley Beal Why we should start to get excited about soccer   Guest: Alexi LalasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So, you know, it comes a little unglued here. Yesterday we talked about texting and things that bother me with that. And I got a lot of response about that. Things that bother me. The phone bothers me. Was that from the wife or friends, family, concerned sibling? Not siblings. A bunch of friends text me and they said, okay, okay, okay, I'll text you back.

It does drive me nuts, though. When somebody texts me, hey, Colin, do you guys want to go to dinner Saturday night? And I immediately answer yes, what time and where, and they wait. two days. Oh, geez. I know the phone's in their hand. I know they're not in physical harm. Get back to the texting. With that, we bring on an esteemed guest, a friend, two-time Olympian, a Hall of Famer, Birmingham, Michigan's Pride, Cranbrook High School, Alexie Lawless, Fox Force. You're punching it out. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Now, you are very dressed up today. You're getting ready for some coverage. Ah, yes, I am. God, I'm.

I got to put on the suit. I'm wearing pants today, so that's something that's good. Well, because of your show, because of the bottom half that is being shown to America. I always think it's interesting when you, because you're a straight shooter with none of the bull, you get a lot of pushback on the bird app, which I love. Oh, bring it. Bring it. I'm a glutton for punishment over there. You're defiant truth teller.

Well, you know, screw them. I will hunt you down like a dog, all right? to your parents' basement. Okay, four big questions. Lionel Messi had a marvelous goal today. I think it's the biggest moment in terms of personnel and the history of the MLS. Any pushback from anybody on it, it seems like a win, win, win, win, win. I don't know how, if you call yourself a soccer fan or even a casual soccer fan,

that you can paint this in anything but a positive. For Major League Soccer, for Inter Miami, the team that he is going to, and I guess for American soccer in general. This is a coup, all right? He could have gone to Saudi Arabia for ridiculous amounts of money. I know. Well, who's not going to Saudi Arabia? Who's not taking the Saudi Arabia money right now?

Evidently messy. So this is a wonderful thing for MLS. They can use it. I think it will be looked at as a seminal moment. You're looking at arguably the greatest of all time coming here. And, you know, everything that he brings. And whether it's the social media or whether it's just the attention. and the credibility.

But for the first time ever, we are going to see Messi play in a league that is built on manufactured parity, where he is not playing with the best players surrounding him, where he's not playing for not only the best team. I'm into Miami right now is not a good team at all. And so he might look very different in the context of the unique aspects that come

with Major League Soccer, both on and off the field, traveling seven hours to Vancouver, playing on different types of surfaces, different types of weather. So we're going to see him out of that cocoon that he has lived in and been incredible in for a long time. For the record, I mean, obviously he's a great goal score. The first time you saw him, was it the twitchiness? What was the first thing that jumped out to you?

It was, I mean, first off, if you were to not know anything about soccer and see him walking down the street, there's no way that you would look at him and say, well, there goes arguably the greatest soccer player ever and one of the most famous and greatest athletes ever to go onto a sporting field. That's one thing. The low center of gravity for a tall guy like myself would be incredibly difficult. You know, the Barry Sanders, the Billy Simp, these types of players that are able to shift their weight very, very quickly, and get other players to have to bite and therefore shift their weight. And it's just you cannot do it quick enough.

He sees things, he gets out of situations where there's two and three players around him. He makes other players better. He's much more rugged than people give him credit for because, look, he's lived for over a decade where people trying to decapitate him basically on the field. And yet he just rides off of challenges, is very durable. And like I said, shifts that weight and that low center of gravity that just screws a lot of players. It has a little Gretzky quality. He tends to see things about a pass ahead.

Yep. And he is in places that he needs to be. Yeah. Okay. I want to ask you about the U.S. men in the Gold Cup. So that starts next Saturday. A, explain, because I do this every time. fundamentally explain to a soccer fan what the Gold Cup is, why it's important in your view of how we'll do.

Okay, so Gold Cup is our region. Our region is called Concaf. It has 41 teams. It's basically North America and the Caribbean. So you have the World Cup that decides the champion of the entire world. And Conca Calf teams, including the U.S. are involved in that. And then you have your regional champions, which is what Gold Cup is. And it decides the champion of our region. It goes back and forth between us and Mexico. We are the big dogs in Conca Cacacac. Yeah, it does feel like over the last maybe 24 months of stretching it, they had about a four-year run where I felt they had better players. I feel like we've seized that rivalry. We own them. We own them. It makes me so happy. I think the U.S.-Mexico rivalry is the greatest rivalry in international soccer.

Go ahead, come at me. I don't care. It doesn't really matter. But obviously our proximity, our incredible history, all of the connections that we have. And to your point, now that that pendulum has swung towards the U.S., because it was a long time where Mexico owned us in terms of soccer. And right now that is not the case. You know, Greg Berhalter and his cycle of the U.S. national team win after win after win

and great performance right now. So, you know, they play again tonight in a different type of tournament. And then the Gold Cup, if everything goes his plan and the soccer god smile upon us, we have a U.S.-Mexico final. And yet again, we beat Mexico. It's a very young team. I said during last World Cup, I felt our next great World Cup was when these 22-year-olds are 26. so you think we should be favored in this gold cup.

Yeah, we should, in our region we are, like I said, the big dogs, we absolutely should be favored, and that type of pressure comes. It will be some of the young players, some of the usual suspects that you know, but it's all with an effort to 2026 and making sure that when 2026 happens, that we make the most of it on and off the field. I mean, talk about a seminal moment. This is going to be huge. The landscape has fundamentally changed.

I'm sitting here in this chair with both of you good looking gentlemen here and this incredible opportunity to talk to you. because of the summer of 1994. The World Cup changed my life forever. It changed soccer forever. And in 2026, when it comes back to the United States, Canada, and Mexico, it's coming back to a very, very different type of landscape. And the U.S. team needs to put in a good performance and go there, not just to be there,

but go there to win. Will there be a player? We know the world's best players. We know our top players. Is there an emerging, because as you have your Poulisics, McKinney, Des, we know, we know our core. Is there another player that I should just keep my eye on? Over the next few years, a goal score is, you know, my kingdom for a goal score. And we have not found that true striker number nine, whatever you want to call it, that person that

consistently puts the fear of God in the opposition, that has to game plan for the opposition, and scores goals. The interesting thing going to the next three years is the dual national situation. For example, Flo Bolligan, okay, this is a player who grew up in the Arsenal system and had the opportunity to play for England or the U.S., we win, again against England, and he is going to play for us. And so if he develops, that would be really interesting, because that is a position of need going for right now. It has been forever for us. It has. And it showed up in the last World Cup in Qatar, having somebody again. And we're not alone in the world trying to find somebody to do the hardest thing that happens. There's about six of

guys, maybe eight. It's difficult to do. So someone like him, I think, will be interesting. And some players that maybe we haven't heard of yet that over the next, next three years will come to the, come to the four, and the opportunity exists in that platform in 26th. July 20th, the Women's World Cup. Oh, yeah. For 20 years, we were the dominant team. Japan was tough.

We have some rivals now that feel like they've bridged the gap. We also had an older team, and there's a pivot now to get younger for us. I think that's my world view on this. It's hard. It's like the Warriors. You're dominant. You've got young guys, young ladies, young people, and you try to bridge the gap and now how do you feel going in? Well look you know we're going to be down there blowing it out

with Fox down there I will be down there spending six weeks down in front of the opera house there in our set in Australia it's in Australia in New Zealand as you mentioned US team still number one two world cups in a row going for three in a row a three peat which has never been done men's or women so history is in the offing this summer as you tune in and watch the the US women but the rest of the world is gunning for us as you mentioned we have a we have a head start let's be honest Decades head start. We made it from a law perspective. We did the things to give opportunities and more opportunities and quality for women's sports in general. And obviously. They encouraged women's sports before other nations. And the rest of the world and many countries

and cultures didn't. But with limited resources, they can catch up very, very quickly. And the rest of the world is catching up. You look at a team like England, European champions. They would love nothing more, not only to win the World Cup, but to do it at the expense of the U.S. I don't, I want the U.S. to win, and I hope that they win. But if they lose, I just don't want them to lose to England. Because you think the English are insufferable now when it comes to their soccer? Good God! If the women's national team also wins the World Cup, I'm never going to hear the end of it.

Who is the best? And again, the World Cup has passed. These things are cyclical. You know, I think it's Italy now, as was down, didn't make the World Cup. Last two World Cup. Italy has not made the World Cup. So things happen. Even for great nations, you'll have powerful France teams.

It ebbs and flows. if I said to you right now our talent, our core. The FIFA world rankings, nebulous, but I think they're reasonable. If I said to you, can we become the next World Cup a top 12 country? Yeah, I think we're, I think we can do that right now. You look at a team like Croatia, you know, with a couple million people, and yet they have done incredible things with less, to be quite honest with you. the U.S. team should go into 2026 with the belief that they can win the World Cup.

Now, do things have to go right? Absolutely. But I do think we have the most, I'll sound like such a newbie. I think our skill, our foot skill level, ball on foot, clever. I think we don't look like we looked 20 years ago. No, we've progressed. I think we are. From the Neanderthal days of my generation, yes, we have progressed. what we had in your generation was athletes who played soccer at a high level.

Now we have kids whose dads played soccer. Yep. Right? And I think our skill level, ball on foot on ball and maneuvering through people. I mean, that's to me, Polic,

not a great goal score, but an ability to make people miss, midfield, attack. That's rare for us. I feel like we've got several players now that bring that to table. Yeah, we've defended,

we've had great goalkeepers in the past, It's always been good with hands. The physical part of the game, I think, is something that we mastered a long time ago. Some of the nuances of the game, they come with time. They come with, let's be honest, although it's something that can be criticized, the specialization from a much younger age, players being given great opportunities and resources and better coaching and better fields and more time with the ball, that has to have, in fact, and the pathways, whether it's Major League Soccer or any place else.

I mean, I had to be on a field in a World Cup to get the opportunity. to go to Europe to play. Okay? We're talking about players right now in the U.S. that some of them don't even step on the field yet from a major league soccer perspective, and they're already being scouted and given opportunities and pathways.

I don't say that with any sense of anger. Hell no, this is awesome. This warms the cockles of my red-headed heart to see all of these opportunities. And we all stood on shoulders, and we all want to push that boulder forward. And it is a laborer of love, but it is still a labor.

But it's a little bit easier. year each and every year as these things happen. Alexi Lalas, you're heading over some soccer coverage. Yep, we got the Uypha Nation's League coming, and then like you mentioned, Gold Cup, and then Women's World Cup. So the summer of soccer is upon us, America. Join us. Alexei Lalas.

Hey, how awesome is he, by the way? He's done a really nice job for us. This dude is incredible. He does. Why do you like him? Because I like the way that he talks about sports. I like the way that he talks about life, and he's just a good individual. And you know, in our industry,

Those are sometimes chewing far between. You're one of the good guys. Go crush. You can get up and go right. All right. I got to go to work. One of us has to. Alexi Lollas, good stuff.

Doesn't he get you fired up, J. Mack, for that? God, very excited. It is. I was going to ask him about the rumored USA lineup for the Mexico match that leaked online. The forward he talked about is going to be starting, it looks like. Very exciting. I'm fired up tonight. I'm not going to try to say, is it Baligan?

It looks awesome. I know I sound like an unsophisticated rub when I talk about soccer. But when I say like Pulisic, it's foot and the ball. Yeah. And the ability to carry it through people. For my entire childhood, we had to pass our way to success. In basketball, that's great.

But in soccer, you need a Maradonna, a Pele, a Cristiano Ronaldo, a Messi, Rooney. I'm going to go about 60 yards. here by myself, cut through people. And I don't think Pulisic is one of the, Ferdland and Donovan had some of this, where it's just like, get out the way. This star is going to take it toward the goal.

And it's an unsophisticated way to say it, because I am a soccer newbie. But I do think we have these emerging players that can do more of that, and it's really exciting. Very. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Wow. I hadn't opened the stock market. Mubbs. It's just been such a wasteland. Look at all that green today. Do you look at it on your phone? No? Several times a day. Geez. Boy, look at you. You're all over this. Politics, stock market.

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No. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. As usual, we will start with the best quarterback in the NFL. Patrick Mahomes, Colin. regarded as obviously the best quarterback in the league. Burrow earlier this week that Mahomes is the guy to knock off. But don't tell that to Jemar Chase, who was quick to defend his QB Burrow and also throw a little fuel on the Chiefs Bengals rival.

Oh, boy. Asked about the number one player in the NFL with very little hesitation, you said. Joe Burrough. Everybody knows that, yeah. MVP. He said Pat. Who said Pat? Joe?

What are you going to say? Yeah. Obviously. I think even Joe Burrow would admit Mahomes has sort of separated. But is this becoming one of, this is rapidly becoming one of the best robberies. He's less mistake-prone.

I would say Mahomes and Burrough have shown an ability in third down, fourth down, red zone, crisis, play from behind to be highly efficient and spectacular. Alan can be highly spectacular, are sometimes not efficient. Same for Lamar Jackson. Justin Herbert's not winning enough. You got me all in my head about that charger thing you mentioned earlier.

But I think Burrow and Mahomes, I think Burroughs the one guy that if you said, it's 44, 42, and they play today. I would have said three years ago, Alan, or two years ago, Alan, but I'd say Burrow can go toe-to-to-to-with-im. I think Mahomes has the better arm, moves better, but Burroughs really good situationally. I'm quickly looking at the Chief's schedule to see if they play the Bengals this year, because that's becoming, like, Oh, it's great. I mean, I know there's some great rivals in the league. Cowboys have won. Raven Steelers.

What is the best? Like, college football is all about rivalries. Yeah. What is the best NFL rivalry today? Oh, sweet. The Chiefs, I'm sorry, Chiefs play the Bengals. Wow, on New Year's Eve. Nice.

In Kansas City. What's the best rivalry today? And again, you're talking about competent teams, not oldest, best. Probably go Jets Bills. Okay. I think Chiefs, Bengals. is in the mix. I think Cowboys Eagles is pretty feisty.

Cowboys Eagles is indeed good. But what's better than the two top quarterbacks in the league? And I think Burrow beat him three straight times. Niners, Rams. Steelers, Ravensfield. Is that one-sided? Well, it has been. So I was thinking about that the other day.

If you were Kyle Shanahan and you own McVeigh regular season, but McVeigh's got the ring, which would you rather be? let's say for the next seven years. I'd rather have the ring. Is Shanahan winning a ring? So that's the thing, is that... Obviously. I think it's the same way.

It's like, I think it drove McVeigh nut. It drives him nuts that San Francisco's got the much better roster and the much better team. But in the end, 20 years from now, nobody's going to talk about the Niners' great regular season dominance. Like McVeigh, you can say whatever you want. Once you get the ring, it just changes everything. I still remember that. that NFC championship game, Rams Niners was epic. I was there with the family and Cooper Cup just watching him.

Like that game, if you go look it up on YouTube. I mean, the 49ers controlled that game and then Cup took over late. So I would say Eagles, Cowboys feels like the Biggie. And then I would say Raven Steelers is really intense and then Niners Rams. The problem with Raven Steelers is the quarterback play isn't great. You watch Burrough Mahomes and it's like, oh my gosh, this is like, you can't miss a possession. There's no wasted possession. Yeah, but that one feels like it's emerged in the last like 24 months.

So? Well, you're right. I mean, college sports is built for rivals. Yeah, I mean, yeah. All right, next up, Anthony Richardson and the Colts. Their off-season program wrapped up yesterday. The young quarterback from Florida is looking to earn the starting job in week one after he went fourth overall. They'll have to fight off Gardner Minshu, who had this to say about the rookie's development.

That's funny, man. coming off the first day, he's like, man, that's fast. You're like, yeah, it's only going to get slower, though, you know, so it's been cool to see him. He's really, he studies hard, he picks it up, he wants to learn. So he's been doing a great job there, and he has been improving steadily, and I think he'll continue to. I would say no shot he starts week one. I mean, it's got to be MNchu. Well, again, if you're not a Super Bowl team, Carolina, Houston, and Indy, just start the kid.

Well, the problem is Minshu knows the offense. You got a whole camp to figure it out. You got... Richardson has like... He had like barely any starts in Florida. It was like 12 or 15... But I don't you think his game is really built... Like it's different.

Bryce Young's game is built on distribution. A lot of Richardson's game is just built on its power. It's running. It's like to me... Like Josh Allen had the power. Yeah, it's just instinctive ability to make a play. Bryce Young's not a playmaker. He's a distributor.

So guys that are playmakers, just get them out there and let them make plays. They can't do anything on the bench. If you're a distributor, that feels different. You need the support system. I think Stroud and Young both were two-year starters, right, in college? At least, you. Pretty sure. Richardson barely did.

I would sit them for a year, let Minshue go get them, what, five, six wins? They're not going to be good even with Richardson, are they? The worst case is you're awful. You happen to fall backwards into the number one pitch. and then you wasted a pick out Richardson because you're taking Caleb Williams. I've kind of changed my mind. If you're not a Super Bowl team, play the kid. For a first round quarterback, if you're not a Super Bowl team.

But if you damage him. I used to worry about that. If you get damaged losing football games, and you're not built to be the guy anyway. That's probably accurate. Final story. NBA draft is one week away from today. I'm eagerly awaiting your mock draft, Cowherd.

The Lakers haven't drafted a player with a first round pick since 2018. But that looks to change next week. LA has the seventh overall pick. And remember, according to Jonathan Gavoni, who had the report on the Warriors in Comingey yesterday, the Lakers are looking to trade down with teams who have multiple picks. Are you a 17th pick is kind of right outside the lottery. It's not quite a dart throw, but I don't know. Would you give up the 17th pick in order to maybe get a couple more picks,

a couple more bites of the apple? So what do the Lakers have to give up? to get the 17th pick. 17th and then, I don't know, can you, hey, Lonnie Walker, go look at the tape that he had against the Warriors at one fourth quarter, give me two picks. Like, would you take 26 and 29? Remember, they've hit on some later first round picks.

Kyle Cuswell was late first round. Yeah. Austin Reeves undrafted. Was Caruso undrafted or second round? I don't remember, but they've done well late in the first, early spotting. But LeBron doesn't want to play with young guys anyway. Yeah, so what's... But again, if you really want to build, like Austin Reeves,

I think if you could go, if you were the Lakers and could get to 17 and you find what you believe is a guy that's a potential five-starter. Like your fourth or fifth best starter, Austin Reeves is in that fourth or fifth best starter. You're always going to attract stars in L.A., then you go for it. What the Lakers are saying is, we know LeBron's not here long. We want to go find another Austin Reeves, who doesn't have to be our...

It's not going to be our one, doesn't have to be our two, but can he be our four and five? There's a lot of value. You know, that's, they need youth because AD's not old, but looks old, and LeBron is old. Jazz and Pacers with three

first round picks. I mean, listen, it's not a great draft. None of the NBA drafts are great, right? You're not going to find, oh, we have one great player in about four really interesting. And then maybe in the right circumstance, some guys, like a Jamal Murray becomes a borderline superstar. But Jamal Murray was a really good

college player. He was good, but he was a lot of drafted. He was lottery. Sheailder Alexander was lottery. Devin Booker. I mean, if you're a lottery pick and you become an All-Star, that's not shocking. No. I mean, lottery pick is the top ten pick globally. Fred Van Fleet

would be shocking. Is it seventh? What did you say? Seventh is lottery? Seventh is lottery. I think lottery is one through 14 and then the 16 teams that don't make the playoffs are non- lottery. NBA's got a lot of. Larry Bird exception. There's a lot of weird things. We're going to do a lot of draft next

week? Not a ton. We can do Victor Webbanyama. There's not a ton to say about him. That really isn't. Yeah, that's the problem. It is, it is interesting. I want you to get on, sorry, the scoot Henderson bandwagon. What's the workouts that he did out here in L.A.? I've done the YouTube stuff. He's absolutely dynamic. He's very much in that player. The media will fall in love with. Yes. Dynamic, dunks, fast. I mean, I just, just, like John Wall, like, whoa, he's way quicker than other players. I don't think you in time. titles with those players, but I think they're fun to watch. And part of the NBA is just, is a guy fun to watch.

Do you remember your John Wal-Rant? I remember it. Yeah. I still think your first day on the job, that's ridiculous behavior. I would agree. But I still, like, anytime I hear John Wall, like, you're one of the things that I associate him with. And he, for a moment, Colin, looked like he was ascending to be one of the top point guards

in the league. And then, you know, he sits in the shower. He was the fastest point guard I'd ever seen. Yeah, never really developed a shot. No. A lot of those dynamic guards don't. Yeah, they don't. Now, Derek Rose didn't. Westbrook didn't. Because just think about this. If you are that dynamic, think about AAU High School College, you get to the basket. Nobody ever forces you to shoot. Why do I need to learn how to shoot? I can get by anybody and get to the rim. And that's where they make a mistake. And when they eliminated, whenever that was 2004, when they eliminated the hand check, now it's impossible.

There used to be a time where Gary Payton or Michael could put their hand on you. It's over now. In fact, I've argued we should re-institute the hand check. It will limit injuries. It's counterintuitive. If I can keep point guards in front of me, they won't drive to the basket, run into the redwoods, get hurt, hit the floor. Then you get a bunch of physical action. You slow it down. The NBA wants it fast.

I know. They want pace, space, threes, points offense. Just like in the NFL where they, you know, pass interference is like a, nobody knows what does it catch? Pass interference. They make it. because they want offense. They know that points equal eyeballs. Like Raven Steelers you mentioned is awesome,

but those games are 1310. You mean Bengals Chiefs any day of the week? I get it. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Very excited for it.

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A good guest today? How about those guys? Alexi Lollas. Lallus, Danny Green. So we're going to play a new game, and it may not last long, depending. on the trade market. Let's make a beale. Are you ready to play?

It's time for Let's Make a Beal with TV's Colin Cowher. So where's the best fit? Let's make a deal behind door number one, two, three. Ready to go? Yes. Let's do it. Door number one,

Philadelphia 76ers. Door number two, Miami Heat. Door number three, the Toronto Raptor. So what door will I choose? And I'll explain why I choose each one. I would choose Miami Heat. He went to the University of Florida.

Okay, they have some trade assets like Tyler Hero, Kyle Lowry, Victor Oladipo. We forget he got injured. They also had the worst offense in the league last year. Now, that's surprising, right? Because you watch them in the postseason. they'll probably lose Caleb Martin. They struggled offensively. Bam and Butler are defensive players.

They need an offensive-minded dude. I think this is the best fit for him. It's interesting. Struce and Vincent are both free agents. I think Martin has one more year, but Beale could fit seamlessly on the team. I'm going to agree with you. I think the heat of the best one here.

All right, which team is a better fit for Bradley Beale? Door number one is the Boston Celtics. Door number two, the New Orleans Pelicans, and door number three, the New York Knickerbockers. Now, you have to dig a little deeper with this one. One of these teams has eight tradable future picks, and it's the New York Knicks. Oh. So not only could I move a Mitchell Robinson or a Josh Hart and R.J. Barrett, they've got a lot of draft capital that I can move. You know, if you give up Bradley Beale, you're starting old.

John Wall's gone, Beal's gone, Rui Hachamora's gone, you're starting over. The Knicks have a lot. By the way, Beal, with Jalen Brunson, that's a pretty taste. That's not bad. Now, the Knicks did not want to give up all the picks for Donovan Mitchell. Remember, and they lose him to the calves. Do you think Beal is better than Mitchell? I think Beal fits with Jalen Brunson better than Donovan Mitchell.

Donovan Mitchell at times can need the ball. Beal's very good. Beals like a more athletic Clay Thompson. He can play off the ball, catch and shoot. And then you would move Randall to be your three. And then you're, that's a, that's a playoff team that can win a series. Brunson won, Beal 2, Randall 3. That's a real team.

I'm assuming R.J. Barrett's out in the trade, right? Yeah, that's fine. But I got three guys. If I could keep Josh Hart, that would help, maybe. That's a good team. And if you could, you know, if Mitchell Robinson stays, I have a rim protector. Yeah. So that's my four in terms of value and impact.

That's a real good team. That's a very good team. Yeah, yeah. I think they're probably contending with the Celtics and Bucks, right there, right there. Oh, if I had Jalen Brunson, Beal, Randall, and a rim protector? Absolutely. That's a very good team. I don't think it's a finals team, but I think it competes for it.

Yeah. All right, door, next one, which team is a better fit for Bradley Beale? Door one is the Cavs. Door two is the paper clips, L.A. Clippers. Door three, Sacramento Kings. Now remember, Beal's not a point guard. The Clippers need a point guard. Sacramento's got one and could use a catch-and-shoot guy.

Sabonis gives you no real offense. We like Keegan Murray, but he's a kid. Also, Davian Mitchell is not an offensive guy. He's a defensive guy. So Deerrin Fox with Bradley Beale, that is in the argument for best back court in the NBA. And again, you're not going to have the size of Denver, but could you out-shoot him, out-guard them?

Could your back court beat their bigs, Gordon, Porter. I think Sacramento, that's a really interesting fit. They pushed the Warriors to seven and then Fox had the finger and they didn't have like another guy who could compete with Curry's 50. I think Sacramento is a really good Western fit. All right. Next one. Door number one, the Milwaukee Bucks. Door two, the Phoenix Suns. Door three. The Golden State Warriors? So I'm thinking a lot about this one. First of all, I don't think any of these are terrible options, but I will say Milwaukee's Rocky, Middleton is struggling to stay healthy. Drew Holiday is older.

I think Beal fits here. Remember, you could move Dracin Allen, Bobby Portis, Chris Middleton, Janish, your dominant one. Bradley Beal also wants to go to a contender. He has a no trade clause. So he's going to go to a good team. So would you say Beal's the two or Holliday's the two? I'd say Beal's the two. Holiday are three is damn good.

Yeah. So, again, that's a real team. That's a contending team. So they're going to lose. I think they're going to move Chris Middleton. I think they got the best of Chris. Chris had a good finals. They won a championship.

I think they're going to move off him. Which team is a better fit for Bradley Beale? Door number one, the Memphis Grizzlies. Door two, the Dallas Mavericks. Door three. Chicago Bulls. Sometimes desperation makes the deal. I think Dallas works.

Remember, Beale doesn't need the ball to start. score. They also have the ability. I think Dallas could move Tim Hardaway, Reggie Bullock. There's a couple pieces there, but Luca, and then an off-ball guard. This is why Kyrie didn't work. Jalen Brunson. I don't think Brunson's ball-centric, but he's better with the ball. Bradley Beale's got a Clay Thompson field. All set up, you get me the ball. Also, I think Beal's a willing defender, Kyrie's not, so Luca and Kyrie are two awful defenders. I don't don't feel. You'd have to look on analytics. When I watch him play, I think he's a willing

defender. People will say Kyrie's way better than Beal, but it's fit matters. And I don't think a lot of people get that. Like, Kyrie Luca felt like, hey, your turn, now it's my turn. Yeah, and the other guy would stare at the other guy. Yeah, as opposed to Beal working perfect in that offense. And finally, door number one, the Atlanta

Hawks. Door two, the Portland Trailblazers, and door three, the Los Angeles, Lakers. Well, again, I think he would help all the teams. The Lakers were 25th in three-point shooting. And I think Beal's a real fit. Now, you may have to give up an Austin Reeves. I know you like him, but Bradley Beal's a much better player. And Bradley Beal also has a defined role. Austin Reeves is not a true point or a true two. He's a good player. He's like Malcolm Brogden. Bradley Beal's a two. And so I think

you'd have a defined AD role, a defined LeBron role, and a defined catch and shoot two. That's a really good Laker team. You keep Rui, by the way. You keep Rui for his size. You'd have to move off a D-Low. You'd have to move off Jared Vanderbilt. You'd have to move off maybe Austin Reeves and some picks.

I'd do it. So the picks would be 27, I think, in 29, or 27 and 30 for the Lakers. By then, those picks could be super good picks for Washington, because LeBron's not going to be here in 2007. He's not going to be in the league. And they might be a 25-win team, and then Washington gets their picks. So maybe you're on to something with the Austin Reeves and picks. It may not look like it.

Okay, but if I told you right now, you're a Laker fan. Anthony Davis, LeBron, Bradley Beale, that can get to the finals. I think you're a favor to the West over Denver. Well, I think you're viable. If I say to you, LeBron, A.D. and Austin Reeves, your first thought is this. LeBron's old. What happens when LeBron does it? Bradley Beals 20 a night.

Austin Reeves depends on the matchup. Yeah. So, I mean, to me, Bradley Beale's going to be an impact guy anyway, but there are fits. Like, this is, this is something that doesn't get discussed a lot. It feels so obvious to me, but NBA fans, I think NBA media gets this. Fit matters. Kyrie and Luca was worth the swing. But if you watch Dallas with Kyrie and Luca, your turn, my turn, your turn, my turn.

It doesn't, it doesn't work. It's just too much staring at the other guy because they, like James Harden, James Harden needs the ball. So you end up staring and watching him. And there are certain players. I think Beal is one of those rare players that works on every team in the league because he doesn't need the ball to score. Clay Thompson in his prime worked for every single team in the league.

Kyrie's great. He didn't work in his prime with every team in the league. You know, we didn't drill down on the Celtics, but if there's a way you can add him to Brown and Tatum. But I don't see, I don't think he's perfect. So here's why. They need a facilitator. Right.

That's not what Beal does. That's why everybody rolls their eyes at Jordan Poole. Okay, so he's not going to the Celtics. But if you just bring back the team, you remain a team with two really good wings, a rim protector who you have to bubble wrap because he's never healthy and a defensive guard. That doesn't feel like to me it's beating Denver. And also, sometimes in any business, they call it seeing around corners. Can you see the problem before it hits?

So here's a Boston issue. Okay. Another year where Brown and Tatum didn't win. They're not losing tension. That didn't eliminate stress. You say didn't win. They were, I think, the second favored team to come out of the east. I think they won 55 games.

Like, what do you mean? Didn't win. Just a title? It's the Celtics. They didn't get to the finals. They went from finals backwards. So meaning the pressure. the pressure and stress will be greater next year.

It's not going to go back. And by the way, you think Joe Missoula is an elite coach next year? No, well. Okay, so the two issues I worry about Missouri, I'm sure it'll get better. Not Spow. Not Malone. So to me, the idea of just bring it back. Yeah.

Okay. We know you have a problem. You do not have an elite coach. You have a tandem that are not ideal in tight spot. and you don't have a facilitator to your... I think people view the Celtics, and I did for a while, is inches away.

And I'm telling you, if Bradley Beale goes to Miami, they are meters away. They're not inches away. So Boston has three options. You run it back. It's worked, a lot of wins. Wouldn't do it.

You blow it up by trading Jalen Brown. Wouldn't do that. So then you tweak around the edges with Marcus Smart and maybe Derek White. I would move Derek White, Marcus Smart. I would get a true scoring, point guard who can facilitate.

Is that enough? Is Washington going to say, yeah, Marcus Smart and Derek White? No, I think Washington wants picks, and that's why you're onto something with this Knicks thing. If the Knicks say, you know what, that's our guy. We'll give you R.J. Barrett and two first round picks. If I'm Washington, I would say R.J. Barrett and two first round picks is better than Marcus

Smart and Derek White. Well, you're a Nick fan. You bang on R.J. Barrett all year, and now you're coveting him. Well, no, I'm saying he... I want somebody else. I want... Okay, Marcus Smart or Derek White. Who would you rather? Markis Smart. No, no, I'm saying. Derek White or R.J. Barrett.

Who would you rather have in the trade? R.J. Barrett's more talent. Yeah. So, Mark is smarter, R.J. Barrett. I think R.J. Barrett. So I think the Knicks and Bradley Beal are really interesting. I mean, you're going to be good for like seven years, six years. So what I want, okay, what I want, I don't want Julius Randall.

I probably want Mitchell Robinson. I want a rim protector. I want R.J. Barrett. There's some talent there. I want three first round picks. Mitchell Robinson, R.J. Barrett, and three firsts? Well, I don't want Julius Randall. So my takeaway is everybody wants Julius Randall out of New York.

But if you add Bradley Beal and Julius is now your third offensive starter, I like that team. I'm okay with Julius. I like him as a player as a three. Two years ago he was a one. Last year he was a two. The Knicks are moving in the right direction. Now he becomes a three. Now you're a team that can battle for the finals.

It was a one. It was a fun story. When he's a two, you wouldn't. a playoff series. Three, you can go toe to toe with Boston. Would you, if you're the Knicks, would you rather go after Carl Anthony Towns or Bradley Beal's more mature? And I think he, I think he, would he cost less than Cat. I don't know. I had to look at it. I would take, I think, I think Carl Anthony Towns a little inconsistent, little flaky. I think Beal's a real adult. I would go Jalen Brunson, Bradley Beale, Julius Randall.

But I'm going to tell you, if you make that deal, and I'm in the east. and I make that deal, then I want your rim protector. Because Randall's not a rim protector. Right. So I want the Knicks to have to pay for. I'm not going to just hand the Knicks a great team. And give me your rim protector. You can go draft one.

So I want a little of your future. How about two to three first picks? Mitchell Robb. I don't know if it works out. Mitchell Robinson and then R.J. Barrett. Anytime you're getting on Tom Tibido players who have been running to the ground by Tibbs. Julius Randall is one of them.

They're running a risk of, boy, that guy got old real quick. I'm saying this for the Knicks, I'm not looking at the money. You'd probably have to throw another. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I would want a promising young player. I would want a veteran rim protector and I want a bunch of picks. But I think the Knicks to me feels, Bradley Beale to me works great in two places tomorrow.

Miami won, Knicks two. Those two work. Brunson, Beal, and Randall is a pretty formidable tree. And if I could keep Mitchell Robinson, you know, I mean, I got Janus, I got M.B. I got Biggs in it. East. You got to give me a big. Yeah. And Robinson

was very good, I think, against the Cavs. He had a pretty good series. Something. Randall was the one who struggled, but he was injured. Randall is a three. That's a real team. All right. We'll see you tomorrow. Live in Los Angeles, the hurt. Another podcast from some

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