The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - NBA Finals game 5

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

More on game 5 of the NBA Finals tonight Colin saves the best for last   Guest: Eddie HouseSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No payments for six months. NetSuite.com slash H-E-R-D. J-Mack with the news. Oh, it's Eddie House. My bad. I got talking to you, Jay-Mack, and I just love talking to me. But Eddie House is a good chat. I'm sorry, Eddie.

I'm not going to blow past Eddie here. It's ridiculous. 11 years, Fox Sports. Okay. Jay Mack loved Jamal Murray. I liked him. I didn't know he was a playmaker. I thought he was a guy that could give you 24 points a night.

Are you surprised that he has become 23 points, 10 plus assists, a playmaker, a score. Did you see this in him? Well, I know exactly what he can do. We all know he can score the basketball. And the thing is, when you're a great basketball player, you're teetering on good to great, you find ways to be effective however it is. And if they want to trap him, he's making the right plays. I think he's been able to understand how he could be more effective by not just scoring

the basketball, but also setting other guys up right there. Michael Porter, who's been struggling from the perimeter, set him up for an easy basket. And when it's time to take tough shots and make tough shots, he's a guy that's able to do that. So I'm not surprised at all. And you got to remember, a guy who has missed almost two seasons within. injury, chomping at the bit to get back to a position to show everybody who he really is. So I'm not surprised at all. He's an A1 Hooper.

One of the great advantages, what broke Kobe and Shackup, in the end, they were both stars. There were some ego. The reason Duncan and the Spurs were able to maintain that was Duncan was a fairly egoless guy. And I've said this with Yokic and Aaron Gordon and a lot of these guys, Bruce Brown. this feels like we could have five or six years of this kind of run. It's not a glamorous NBA franchise.

There's a workman-like kind of ethos with these guys. When you look at this Denver team, the way they've blown through the playoffs, I mean, they've literally just rolled everybody. Does this feel sustainable for four, five, six years to you? Well, I don't think they just blown through people through the playoffs. They also did in a regular season. I think they was the number one seed for pretty much the bulk of the season. So this is not new to them.

Michael Malone, Coach Michael Malone has gotten on them at times for letting go out a rope or, you know, taking for granted to position they're in and they've responded every single time. Now, is it sustainable if they keep this together, you know, where guys end up winning a championship and you have free agents coming up or, you know, you hear some trade value, always trying to make your team better. If they could keep this, they'll be competitive, especially if they keep that core together of Jamal Murray and Yolkich and Michael Porter, Jr. and Aaron Gordon, if they're able to keep that together, I think it's sustainable. It's going to be hard to do, though, you know, because teams are going to come clamoring.

They're going to throw offers at you. Then on the same time, when you become a free agent, you're going to be looking to get paid, what you feel that you're worth. But if they're able to do that, their upper management is able to do that, yeah, they'll be able to compete because not only do they do it on the office event, They've been playing defense. Miami, he's been struggling, scoring the ball. And that's not because they just have been missing wide open shots.

No, when they were getting those wide open shots, they were making them. Denver made an adjustment. They're not making any minimal mistakes. And you've got to give credit to Denver for being more than a one-trick pony, more than just Yolkidge, more than just Jamal Murray. They're able to do it in a variety of different ways. And last game was the Aaron Gordon game. You know, you had Christian Brown, excuse me, Christian Brown who showed up.

up in game three and then you had Bruce Brown shows up in game four. So when you win a championship, there are these games where you can tag them a certain guy's game. And last game was definitely the Aaron Gordon game. And Yolkins only have four assists. That was the way to try to take them out of what they do. Don't let him get everybody else off. He only had four assists.

They still won by double figures. So it's going to be a steep, steep mountain climb for the Miami Heat to try to win this. So you're in Arizona, you know it well, you watch the Suns, Chris Paul's names out there. I actually think Vogel will get the most out of DeAndre Aiton. His history is working with Biggs playing defense. Aiton's not a great defender. He'll get better. I think Chris Paul's best place is to stay in Phoenix.

They just need bench help. I actually think, you know, they've got the size. I thought they actually gave the Nuggets a couple of quick games, a couple of close games. They beat him a couple times. they just didn't have the depth. They didn't have the bench. And they ran out of gas at the end of that series. Chris Paul to me works in Phoenix just at a lower number.

What is your guess on where he goes? I think he works in Phoenix, too, because then he doesn't have to really be relied on to do any type of score. He is a great facilitator, a great, he has a high, a very, very, very high basketball IQ. he puts guys in position to score, and he gets after guys, and he has a cachet to do so, where what he says, people listen,

his words carry weight. I think it is a great fit for Phoenix, but at the same time, I'm not sure if Phoenix, you know, what that tag, what that number will be. I'm not sure if they're willing

to give up whatever he's looking for. Chris Paul will help any team, and I don't care where you put him, that team will get better. We see him do that with OKC. We've seen him do that with the New Orleans Hornets at the time, now the Pelicans. We've seen him do these things,

no matter where he goes with the Clippers. The team gets better because of him on the court. So it really doesn't matter. If I'm Phoenix, I've got to run it back one more time because he was injured and have this team collectively from start of training camp to the end of the season, have a chance to try to compete together

without the trade deadline or any other swirling things that's going around coming into training camp, DeAndre A and all those things, to have a clear mind on one focus goal, and that's getting to the NBA championship. And I don't see how Chris Paul helps, excuse me, hurts any team. Finally, Wiggins last year, Andrew Wiggins and Aaron Gordon this year, are players who enter the NBA as teenagers. They go to chaotic franchises that can't kind of define their role, and they get lost and they kind of underachieve. Then Wiggins goes to the Warriors.

They say, hey, be our number three guy. Play defense on the wing. Gordon goes to the Nuggets. Be a great defender. We don't need you to score. If you do, it's icing on top. And with both Wiggins last year and Gordon this year, you look up and you're like,

my God, these guys are so good and they're so valuable. You played in the NBA, nine teams, a lot of years. Did you see this a lot where young guys come in, their lottery picks, they're asked as young kids to take over a franchise, and they're 19 years old, they're just not ready for it. But then they shift gears go to a better team, and Gordon and Wiggins flourish now with a really good culture. Did you see that a lot?

Well, the league wasn't as young as it is now. So you see more of that nowadays. And what you see more than anything else, you see teams giving up on players sooner than they should. You know, when you get somebody that's 19 years old, it's going to take three, four, five years to just adjust to the rigors of the NBA to understanding what it's like to become a professional. That's why where you get drafted is more important than the team you get drafted to sometimes is more important than where you got drafted at it, whether it be one, two, three, four. You know, but it's more important the organization you get drafted to. I think when you look at the organizations that have success with young players are usually established organizations that understand when they bring in a player, these players are going to fall in line because they have veterans around.

Well, when you drafting at the bottom up at the top of the draft every single year, you're usually not a good team. And so now you have a bunch of young players. There is really no veteran leadership. So it doesn't surprise me that it takes a while for these players to develop and then become who they are. The reason why they got drafted high was because of people seeing their potential. And so it's not, I didn't see it that much as I was coming up because it was much an older league. It started getting younger as, you know, I was on my way out. Yeah.

But right now, the way the league is, is constructed is so young. And, you know, teams give up so fast on these young players because they want instant success. I think that you have to look back and say, hey, man, what does this player really give us? and develop players. As more so is saying, I need this guy to give me this right away. We'll develop him to do that. And I think that's why you see

undrafted players have success in Miami because they'll develop players. You see what the Golden State Warriors have done with their players. They have developed them. And so to me, that's really the thing that I look at is more so is you've got to get drafted to the right organization.

Otherwise, you might have a couple tough years and you have to go somewhere else and then you'll be able to find yourself. It's all about how the organization is ran. Good seeing you, Eddie. Appreciate it as always. Right on. Take care, man. Thanks for having me. You bet game five tonight in Denver. J. Mack, I would guess they were favored by eight or nine, were they not?

I think I'd stay away from the bet. I think Miami will give you, they've got too much pride. They'll play defense. You know, it is winning the championship. Denver could be a little tight. I think it's like a 5.6 point game. I'll take Denver to win. It's currently nine heading toward eight and a half.

Yeah, I would take the heat, but I think Denver's... I would not. You would Denver blowout. I don't know about blowout, but they're just overpowering, dude. They're going to close it out in Denver. First title for the franchise. Pretty exciting stuff from Denver. I went, take out their last like seven games.

They lost five because they, Yolkich rested. If you go through the regular season in the playoffs, Denver's last like 30 games, beating the crap out of people. By the way, somebody told me the NHL finals might end this week. I was like, I didn't know they started. Apparently, Florida's losing that as well. Vegas. Vegas.

Yeah, I watched, I watch, you know, that's something else I watched this. Stop it. You did not watch NHEL. I watched the first period of the Stanley Cup finals and Vegas got off to a lead. Let me guess. You couldn't find the remote and it was just stuck on that channel. No, I like to stay current. I watch all this stuff.

I don't, why Canadian Open. I sat there on my treadmill, listen to Jim Nance. I'm not going to watch the first couple of rounds, but I want to watch drama. Two each. his own. You know, you could have called me. We could have hung out. You could have come watch me play basketball in the men's league. You know, I had a busy little Sunday. A lot of stuff going on. Yeah, I really bummed out. I missed out in that opportunity. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Yokic, gunning to win his finals MVP award would go with his two regular season MVPs. Jamal Murray actually thinks that Yokic can perform even better. I don't know how that's possible. He won his first MVP, and then his numbers were better than the second MVP, and then his numbers are better during now.

So, yeah, I think, I think, I, I think there's more to come actually from yoke. I think he can get a little bit. I think we haven't seen the side of yoke that we're going to see where he can be just pure dominance all the way time or the whole game even more than he has been. For the record, best player in the league Yokic, second best player, Janus, third best player, Luca, and Victor Wambaynjama is the best prospect.

Get ready for it. It is a global sport, and the best players, often bigs, are coming from overseas. I love it. It's fun. I think they have unique games. I love watching Yogaj play. This is a longer discussion, but the day you were stuck in wherever on your travel back from Iceland, I had Broussard on, and we talked about this, and I was like, listen, I'm not saying American AAU basketball is failing, but obviously it's successful financially capitalism rules, but are the players getting better?

And I think that's a legitimate question. Steve Kerr has pointed to this. John Morant, immature, Zion, immature. When your baby, you're baby. He'd coddled and told you the man at 13 years on, it takes you, stunts growth. European players play against men when they're 14, 15. They're the worst player on these teams, or if not, they're the best prospect, but they get pushed around. And so they come into this league, very mature, ready to play, highly skilled, and older

than their years. Basketball's culture in America is a mess. I love the sport. The culture is awesome, but in terms of... making basketball players great, I think it's a bit of a mess. You can't coach them hard in A, you or the players won't play it for you. And then they'll leave. Yeah, they'll be out.

Can't coach them hard. And I'm not like for badgering players. But our football culture, it's a badge of honor to be coached by Saban, Brian Kelly. You're coached hard. It doesn't matter if it's Ryan Day or Jim Harbaugh. They're going to love you. You're going to wrap their arm around, kick you in the butt as they put their arm on your shoulder. But you're going to be, it's hard coaching.

That doesn't exist in basketball. There's also something you touched on about the whole social media aspect when you're 14 and ranked the number one 14 year old in America and your Instagram following is swelling up. All of a sudden you get the head like, ah, I'm the man. Of course you will. You're not really grinding on your game and creating like the moves. Luca Donchitz came into this league and was instantly by like year three, one of the top like seven players in the league. That like does not happen to these guys coming in from the draft here in America. I don't know a quick fix, Colin?

Yeah, I don't. I just think the basketball culture is there. There's so much money in a star from the shoe company to the player, to the agent, to the trainer. That just, in the NFL, the way the CBA is, even if you're Patrick Mahomes, you're not getting rich early. Well, the money thing's tough because a lot of the good high school basketball players, some of the best ones are inner city kids and they don't come from a lot. So when people are throwing money at you, you're like, oh, geez, I'm not blaming the kid. I'm never blaming the kid. I'm blaming the culture.

The system, right? Yeah, by the way, a lot of. And I also think basketball has become a much more suburban. I mean, the bottom line is these kids come from big suburbs. It's just, it's a suburb sport. And I think the football is the same thing. It's a suburb sport. So I don't want to get too much in the economics.

I don't blame the player, but the basketball culture, AAU, Steve Kerr said it. It's not for developing players. How do we build better basketball players in America? I think that's a legitimate question. I mean, here's what we're seeing right now. The European guys are better, sooner, more. More mature, more skilled, more refined. It's not like this.

The three best are, and by the way, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's a great thing. I still like watching our players. But when I'm watching Victor Wominiamma's interview, he's like, I can't wait to be a teammate. I can't wait to play defense. I can't wait. It's refreshing.

Like it's not as me oriented. There is something to the academy culture, which is big in soccer overseas. You get these kids in. I know that Americans aren't going to want to hear this, but you pull them out of the school system and you put them in the soccer academy. And they're doing school and other stuff, but it's, the focus is there. Highly effective. By the way, the MLS has a similar academy culture.

It's really starting to grow big. So the MLS has done this for people that don't follow it. They built these academies. And it takes a decade to get him rolling. But you get the rights to the player. If he's in your region or area code or whatever, and he goes to your academy, you get his rights. And again, he is, you are really building a team. a community. And I think the MLS slowly but surely, it's taken a while, but that's why this

messy to the MLS, the MLS in 10 years, it's like women's basketball, now that women are encouraged to play basketball over the last generation, women's basketball does not even look like it looked like 20 years ago. It is so much better. MLS in 10 years is going to be significantly better than it is now. And today, go look at MLS 10 years ago and today. The crowds, the stadiums, the players, it's taking Like the NFL, it looks what it looks like. Like there are certain sports that are just getting better and better. I mean, we watch UFC.

The women's division was cringy. The best fight in the car this weekend, arguably was the Nunez fight. You're watching that, too? Oh, I love Ellen. Do you watch TV all weekend? NHL, golf, MMA? Ann wasn't around, so I was watching television and documentaries. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All weekend. Wow. Unabomber documentaries? I watched that one. I watched the Netflix Unabomber and the one called. net. Watch that one too. That's about the LSD Harvard Unabomber experiment. What are you a Renaissance man over here? You're so well-rounded, coward. Goodness, great. I couldn't name 10 hockey players. You watched an entire period of the

NHL finals. I'm kind of impressed. All right. On to the NFL where Lamar Jackson loving his new system under O.C. Todd Munkin. Munkin giving Lamar the authority to change plays that he had in the past. Lamar appreciates the confidence his coach has given him. And he said that Munkin has basically given him the keys to the offense and he's loving it. Sounds like Baltimore's going to look a lot different than they did last year. A lot more passing, a lot more diverse air attack, maybe less ground game. Well, they don't want Lamar to get hit as much. You figure Buffalo needs to figure this out.

Like Buffalo, Josh Allen gets hit too much. Lamar gets hit too much. Starting to, you know, because I knew this story was coming. I did a little reading. And I may need to readjust. Remember I was like Ravens on the downward trend? Listen, it's only June. No official picks.

I need to wait and see. So I know in my mind who's going to make the playoffs in the AFC. So best quarterback in almost every division. So I'm going Mahomes Herbert, Trevor Lawrence,

Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and then I have three teams and I have to pick two. Lamar, Aaron, and two with Mike McDaniel. Whoa. So it's got to be... Russell Wilson?

I don't think they're going to make the playoffs. I think they're going to be significantly better, but they're going to win like nine games. Chargers win 11. Okay. So it's going to be tight. What about our Steelers? I thought we had a thing with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Then I'll make it. So I have five of mine all set. I have to pick two between the Ravens where I think I'm leaning, Jets, Miami. Because I wanted to pick both the Jets in Miami, but I think Baltimore is going to be really good. I bet you to America. He's going to pick Miami just because I'm going to.

the Jets. No, no, no. You watch. Watch. I had somebody called me from the NFL this weekend. A friend who played quarterback for years in the league. He said the number one free agent acquisition this year was Vic Fangio. He said there's about seven to ten teams in the NFL that are copying their defense. He said, it's not Jalen Ramsey. He said, now they have two corners. He said, Vic Fangio, Aaron Rogers is going to get Vic Fangio twice. He's like, let me tell you something. That's the hot for years and years. Pete Carroll had that, what do they call it? cover three. He said, Vic Fangio is, he goes, that dude,

everything, he forces the quarterback, everything is post-snap. Totally high. Basically, it's a zone, but on vertical routes, they cover you man to man. He said, it is hard for quarterbacks in new systems or who are young. So they got two good corners. I think Holland is the safety I like

there, the kid out of Oregon. No, their secondary now is stout. He said, Fangio is the, his theory on defense, is the hot new theory in the league. It's being duplicated and copied all over the league. I wanted to look at the Dolphins' defensive line like Best Passports or I guess Bradley Chubb?

Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, I'm a good. Christian Wilkins is good. Christian Wilkins is good. Jets are fine. Interior D. Lyman. Christian Wilkins is good. We're worried about Buffalo. We're looking upward. Not down one. Final story. Rookie back, Jameer Gibbs is getting

his first taste of the NFL during Lions minicamp. Oh yeah, you're going to love this. He spent the final year of his college career in Alabama. I think he started Georgia Tech. He was asked how NFL practices compared to what he went through under your guy, Nick Saban. What's a difference between an NFL practice and then Nick Saban? Saban, uh, you probably hitting every day, so full pads and the heat for two hours. Yeah, here we, we get good working, but they don't try to kill us. We, uh, be good,

be good. Nick Saban grinds art of the Dan Campbell does? Well, I think the NFL, you're dealing with older players. You don't have to grind them. There's money here. Guys are more self-motivated. I mean, at the college level, you're trying to weed out guys that just, they're not going to be football players.

In the NFL, they were all great college players. They're all getting paid. I don't think you have to grind them as much. It reminds me when I first joined this show. You were really grinding me in a dust, trying to see if I could hack it. I was. Throwing haymakers left and right. And you were doing my best thing.

It depended on the day. Yeah, it was touch and go there. By the way, small body languishing. Did you see Gibbs kind of leaning back and forth? He didn't want that. He's got that energy. I like that. That's how I kind of am in sports.

Yeah. Why to personalize it. So I think what it is is you lean back and forth and get fidgety when you have to tell the truth but are uncomfortable with it. He called out Nick Saban. He didn't want to? No. You think his coaches are going to make him run extra?

Well, they always say when you're interviewing a suspect. if they touch their face or that's a tell that they're lying when they touch their face and get fidgety. Police are interviewing a suspect. Did you have an internship with a police department or something? No, I watched the Unabomber. I'm very well aware of FBI tactic. Okay. All right.

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It's our midterm almost finished. Mid-term. Okay. All right. Which player is averaging the most minutes per game in the NBA playoffs? You got Yokic A, Butler B, Murray C, Bama, Bama, Bia. I would say because Miami doesn't have a ton of size outside of BAM. I'd say Bam out of Bayou is leading in minutes player. Not even close.

Jamal Murray. Wow. Well, it was kind of close, but he was. the last among these choices. Jamal Murray first. All right, which franchise is older? Take your time here. Heat or Nuggets?

A lot of young undrafted guys. Oh, I think that we mean the franchise, like when it debuted. Oh, which franchise is older? Oh, that's an interesting question. Ha, ha, that's interesting. I'm going to say Denver Nuggets. There we go. Back on the right track, 1967, Heat were 1988,

as I like to point out during the Michael Jordan era, a lot of expansion teams. Bad teams. Which finals player was drafted the highest overall? You got Aaron Gordon, Bam out of bio. Kevin Love, Jamal Murray. Aaron Gordon was drafted for someone to say Aaron Gordon. Nicely done.

Where was Kevin Love drafted? Fifth overall. Jamal Marie's seventh. Lake Oswego High School? He was pretty darn good. No, he was, yeah, I saw some high school stuff. True or false? I love true or false questions.

Jimmy Butler used to star in Oscar Meyer commercials as a child. See, I don't think our, I mean, why would our staff go there? Like, that feels very out of the blue random. I'm going to say true. They just made that up. Totally made that up. I could name the guys, but I don't want to put them on blast. That's good.

Which of the following players has the highest salary? Bam on a bio, Aaron Gordon, Kyle Lowry, or Michael Porter, Jr.? Michael Porter signed a pretty healthy deal. Lowry may be on the end of a deal in a weird way this sounds ridiculous is it Lowry? You're close with the Michael Porter Jr.

He's had a five-year $179 million That's a lot of money for Michael Porter. He's making $35 million a year. What's Lowry making? I don't know. I was going to say it's hit the end of a... He's not number one. Because everybody talks about moving him for Dame

is one of the pieces because of the salary. Yeah. Michael Porter signed a big deal. True or false. Denver Nuggets are the first franchise Stan Cronkey purchased. He either purchased the avalanche or the Nuggets first. And I think he owns... Do the avalanche and Nuggets play in the same building? Because I think he owns the Pepsi Center.

I don't know that. So I think those are one of his first. I'm going to say, true. Yeah. Nailed it. 2000. He purchased them now. He's just got a nasty portfolio.

Okay. Now, when did he purchase the avalanche? Also in 2000. But this was just weeks earlier or something? It must have been days or whatever. Who is older? Udanaus Haslim, Haslam, or Tyler Hero and Christian Brown combined.

You guys make Eudonis look 50 in that picture. He is a fossil. He is older. I wouldn't say that to his face, apparently. He's a nice guy. He's a tough guy. Let's see, who is older, Eudonis? So, Eudonis, let's say he's 40.

I'm going to say Christian Brown and Tyler Hero are like a year older, combined. Well done. Well, they're 45 and Haslam is 42. Can you imagine playing in the NBA in your 40s? The cardio. I would love it. You would love it? I'd be like my greatest, one of the most fun things ever in my life. To play in the NBA. Outside of like family and stuff. You love basketball. I love it. Love it. Love sweating. Love playing. It's a great sweat. True or false, Nicola Yokic is averaging more points, rebounds, assists combined in the postseason compared to the regular season. You like to say that

stats go down in the playoffs. I would say because he'll play more minutes in a playoff game, it's true. That's great analysis. 53.2 in the playoffs, 461 in the regular season. Because he's more crucial. He's going to make sure those blowouts in the regular season, you can take him off the floor. Balls in his hands all the time. Yep, yep.

Which player has committed the most turnovers in the postseason? Yokic, Butler, Murray, out of bio. I would say because of the defense, Butler. Yolkich, balls in his hands all the time. 66 turnovers. Tie for the most in the playoffs with Jalen Brown, the turnover machine. Well, that's because he's played a lot more. He's played a lot of games.

True or false? Christian Brown's own clothing line label has a signature shirt that says brown-eyed girl, B-R-A-U-N. False. No. Wait, no, it's true. He messed up. He has a clothing line?

A clothing line was unveiled when he was a junior at Kansas. Look at that. Brown-eyed girl. That's pretty damn cool. That's almost like a herd burger. I like that. Christian Brown. That kid's been shockingly effective.

Entrepreneurial. It's right in your wheelhouse. Which franchise has more all-time head-to-head wins in the regular season, Heat or Nuggets? So when they played each other, who has more regular season win? I would say Miami. No. I just want to get this question.

This question is amazing. Eric Spolster's first job with the Miami Heat was valet parking for corporate sponsors. True or false? Well, he worked in the film room for the Blazers. I'm going to say false. Correct. He was the video coordinator for the heat. Parking valet for corporate sponsors.

That's hilarious. Finally, quickly, during the 2014 draft, which company's commercial aired while Yokic was drafted? F-TX Exchange, Taco Bell, Liberty Mutual Apple. This is a layup, dude. Apple. Lay up. Don't you watch the NBA draft?

It was nine years ago. Taco Bell. Isn't it well-documented? The nine years ago. Yeah. Like how I put it FTX? That wasn't even a glimmer in some greedy guy's eye back there. All right.

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