The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - NBA MVP Debate Rages On

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Colin has more thoughts on the Pistons ending the Lakers 9 game win streak, why that should cause concern for the Lakers as real contenders, further debate on who should be the NBA MVP, and Rachel Nichols stops by!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for listening to the HARD podcast. Welcome back. You know, there's an old saying, get your house in order. The NBA to me has got some. you know, tertiary issues, got some things on the margins, load management, you know, eight teams tanking. I would not expand. I mean, first of all, if you have two new teams, that's 164 more games.

It already feels like the regular season is endless. I mean, I could argue you could, you know, knock off two teams. And again, football's always had the advantage where every game seemingly matters. Rachel Nichols covering the NBA since the early 90s is joining us Fox Sports NBA analyst. Yeah, it's, I mean, I'd be happy for Vegas. I always thought Vegas would be a great NBA city. What do you make of the Board of Governors voting tomorrow? What do you make of expansion?

What do you hear? Well, Jason and I both agree that there's certainly enough worldwide talent to get some more people into the NBA. But I actually think relocation is the move that they should have considered. This is a money grab. Each current owner is going to get half a billion. dollars in their pocket that they don't have to share with the players by expanding to these two cities. It's not the best thing for the health of the league. You have Memphis, the lowest attendance in the league. New Orleans, often right there. Both are in old arenas. Norlands has recently, like, you know,

proposed some expansion to the arena, but you can add more seats. There's not enough people to fill them. Yeah. New Orleans population is not actually that big. El Paso, Texas has almost double the population of New Orleans. They just aren't cities that have been shown to support these teams. Vegas, absolutely. Seattle, absolutely. They're predicted to be top 10 in terms of revenue generating. But I say move the other teams and move those to Seattle and Vegas. And by the way, to your point about the games and what it's going to be like. So the last expansion was 20 years ago, the Charlotte Bobcats, if you remember. And it took them six years to get into the playoffs. They were swept 0 to 4. And then another

few years and then they were swept again and then another few years and they lost again only three times in 20 years and they've never won a playoff series. So the quality of basketball is not going to be high with these expansion teams. Yep, I agree. Listen, there's a story out that, and I think this is true, that the new

Laker owners, they let great baseball players go in their prime. Like, you know, I mean, Mani Machado is like a great player in his prime. prime. Trey Turner, Seeger. These guys go to teams, they're their team's best players. LeBron's not in his prime. They don't really need him for a draw with Luca, you know, popular Austin Reeves.

I mean, there's a story out. He's not coming back. I think that's the case, but I don't have it sourced. What are you hearing? I think it's very dependent on the negotiations this summer. Certainly a month ago, it looked like was no way he was coming back. Now that he's accepted this different role, it is more of a question. People are more uncertain because the question first is money. Because if he's not willing to take a significant pay cut, the discussion's over, right? We're talking about like $50 million down to $15 million a year. So if he's not willing to do that, we're not talking anymore.

If he is willing to do that, then you've got to have a real brass tax conversation about role. It's one thing for the last month of the regular season and the playoffs for LeBron to be, I'm all for the team and I'll dive on the floor for loose balls and I'm happy with my usage rate going way down. It's another thing to sign on for that for what could be your last entire season. Right. And at the end of important playoff games, game six of the series against the Oklahoma City Thunder, it's still a defensive liability to have those three guys on the court. They've done a lot better over this recent streak, but it's still not your best defensive lineup.

Is one of them going to sit for the end of games? I think LeBron will always start, but is he going to play at the end of games? I just think they have to have a real conversation about first, obviously, the money. But then what would his role be? And is he really willing to do that for a whole other year? He does love Los Angeles. And I think his family would prefer if he stays. Yeah.

So, listen, Jason Tatum's back. It's not fair to say he's going to be great. He's very, very good. What's kind of the vibe with it? Now, the east is wide open, right? Like there's defensive questions with the Knicks. Cade Cunningham's out now for Detroit. Orlando's very interesting, but not dominant.

Where are we on Tatum and the Celtics? I am all in. I am picking them to get to the finals. I just think that this team, what they did without Jason Tatum was very convincing and what they have done since he has been back. He doesn't have to ever get to a hundred. 100% for them to get to the finals to be the Eastern Conference champions. He is such, he's not a decoy, but he's such a threat from his positions on the floor,

especially at three, that you have to give him attention defensively, and that lets the other guys work even more than they did during the bulk of the season. And by the way, his real issue since he came back, and I wouldn't even call an issue, but his working his way back is about the shooting. Jason Tatum did not forget how to shoot. It's just timing and rhythm, and this is usually the last thing to come when a player is coming back from injury. exactly what we expected, but the footwork, the endurance, and really the mental side of it, where he is showing no fear on the court the way we've seen with some players who were injured

recently. That's what's impressed me the most. I think it's been hard for people to get to know Jason Tatum. We know that he's a good dad, but that's kind of all the personality has been. I think we now have to add the word toughness to Jason Tatum and say he is one of the toughest players in the league because what he has done, it's exceptional. So we did something at the end of last hour. We went to number one draft picks in football that had red flags. They all bore themselves. They bear themselves out.

I mean, Jeff George character, Bryce Young undersized, Jamarcus Russell immature, Jeff George character. Then you go to the NBA. Anthony Bennett wasn't super athletic, didn't have good competition. Michael Oliva Candy. Greg Oden was injury concerns and wasn't very

polished offensively. Ben Simmons, lack of passion. They all eventually play themselves out. We went to up and down the list. And even D'Andre Aiton was a great offensive player, but was not really engaged, defensively, kind of a lob-sided player. So Darren Peterson missed 11 games.

That's the first issue. And like ankles, Hammy, cramps, cramps, 11 games. And they were better when he was gone. They were nine and two. He played,

he doesn't, the other thing I would worry about, a little bit of a loner. And what worries me, Kauai has got a little bit of this too. Kauai always had an assist issue, where Kauai was playing in a silo by himself. Darren Peterson didn't have an assist

against St. John's, and yet he takes the most shots of both teams. He kind of plays by himself. And he's a great athlete. He'll probably go number one. But in a stacked draft, there's a lot of flags here. Are there not?

I completely agree. In fact, I wouldn't say that he will probably go number one. I think there are huge question marks around him. I think a lot of teams are waiting for the interview with him. If he can come through with a really good explanation of like, oh, I had physical issues, but they are solved and here is why. If he can come through with more of an explanation on his mental status, he said in that press conference after St. Johns, he's like, well, I was playing most of the year with an injury, but actually it was a lot mental, I think. So that is a huge red flag to me. And if you're one of

these teams that has just thrown your season away tanking, hoping to get one of these top talents in the draft. I personally, he'd have to wow me in the interview for me to take that risk. You know, the Washington Wizards are, of course, in contention for that top pick. Their last number one pick was Kwame Brown. That you can add that to your list of people who didn't work out. You can add Markell Fultz, right? There were questions about him. That didn't work out. So I just, I don't know, there's enough really good other players. I think Peterson has the biggest upside of any of these guys. He's the best shooter. He's the best defender. But the question marks that are riddled throughout any scouting report on him would scare me away

if I was one of these teams that had given up so much to get one of these guys. Well, the other thing is Eric Mangini always has a term, and I forget what it is. Oh, he calls it a force multiplier. Is that you want players who make others better. Now, quarterbacks can do that obviously. But in basketball terms, that was always my knock on Kauai. durability issues and a little bit of a loaner and odd and it does matter and i've said this before if kawai was an engaging personality and did not have durability issues i think we would talk one of

the five best players on takeout centers maybe side yeah one of the five best wings i've ever seen in my life he's got mj no you're absolutely right i mean he's an incredible talent so i don't know i think and this draft is so good i'll tell you the kid that the arkansas kid darius acoff yeah he's 6-2, and he is not interested in defense. No, he is not. I mean, could he be number one? He's a sensational offensive talent. I mean, he is sensational.

I mean, you know, I am not at all comparing him to Luca Donchich. I think Luca is a singular talent. But one of the questions about Luca coming in is, hey, not really that interested in defense. And we have seen that hasn't really changed that much. He buckles down in the playoffs, but it's not the same thing. So you just have to know who you're taking with added. It also depends on the makeup of the team, right, that is taking him. If you've got a stellar defensive group, you want someone who's just going to shoot and shoot and shoot.

But that force multiplier thing, I think, is so important. Steph Curry is obviously a huge multiplier, making everyone around him better. You know, Jason Tatum, we were just saying he is going to draw defenses away and enable other people to play better. His assist numbers are always high. You want a guy like that because they're not always going to be hot. And again, that is another sort of worry with Peterson. I don't know. Maybe I'm just too scarred.

I grew up in D.C. I've seen a lot of failed draft picks. But I would be very cautious taking someone like that. And maybe you're proved wrong. And maybe it's like Luca, where he was picked number three. And of course, if there was a redraft, you would pick him number one. But I just, I don't know. I don't, I think I'd rather be a little less of a ceiling, a little safer personally,

than being like, well, you know, we missed out on the biggest thing going. It's just a lot more of a crapshoot. And if you're one of these teams that's tanked and the tanking rules are going to change next year, so you're not as guaranteed to get a high pick, I personally am maybe a little more risk-averse on something like this, especially when there's so many good other choices. A-Cuff, I mean. Incredible draft. Incredible draft.

All right, Rachel Nichols. I said this to Nick Wright. We'll end it here. I would vote Wembe, MVP. even though he's a B-plus offensive player because he's the best defensive player, maybe since Kareem in his prime. Absolutely.

He literally changes the geometry. He leaves the NBA with 39 blocks, but you can't measure it. I said this about Dion Sanders or Dorel Revis. They're so great, you can't judge them on interceptions because they can't, nobody wants to throw to him. Right. Wembe changes more than any player I've ever seen.

He changes the way you play offensive. Yeah. It like Steph did that. Steph changed the way players viewed the three. I think Wembe's the MVP. They've won 22 at 24 and they dominate OKC. Who would you vote MVP? Look, I am Victor Webbenyama's biggest, you know,

supporter out there in the media. I has said before he was drafted, I think he's going to be a top 10 player of all time, maybe a top five player of all time. I think the question with SGA versus Wembe, I think it's close. I think SGA has been a little more consistent throughout the year, And I think a lot of voters, and I'm a voter, will look at the final record.

You know, the Spurs were really threatening to overtake the thunder in the standings. And I think if that had happened, I think if the Spurs have been number one overall, a lot of votes would have gone to Wembe. Now that looks a little more shaky that they would overtake them. And I think a lot of people are flipping back to SGA. We'll see. And it's going to be close. It'll be fun.

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It doesn't have, Tim Duncan was great. When Kareem came in, I mean, literally the story about Kareem when he came in with Lou El Sinder, when he went to UCLA, UCLA was the national champions. Freshman could not play back then. Lou Alcindor goes to UCLA. the freshman UCLA team played the sophomores juniors and seniors when guys didn't come out early the national champs and hammered them there was nothing like kareem young kareem there was nothing like him and you know you remember the old kareem that didn't run the floor terribly well

the the younger player milwaukee early at laker days ran the floor better a little better um magic different, Steph different. LeBron, like again, I'd seen Michael Jordan before. He wasn't as good, but David Thompson. I'm old enough to remember David Thompson. He was pre-Michael Michael. And then Kobe was, you know, came into the league

and he almost mimicked him. He sounded like him when he first came into the league. So like Michael, here's another player that played like nobody else, Dr. J. I mean, he was the hand size, the inventiveness, the creativity. Not all great players are unique. Wemby is, I mean, I guess the only guy in the league that's even remotely close to him is Chet Holmgren, who's a very good player.

But Wembe is just physically, it's not just 7-4. It's 7-4 can hit 3s, his ability to kind of adapt. defensively. Nick Wright earlier, I would vote Wemby MVP. I think Luca is so atrocious defensively. You have to, and Wemby's not bad offensively. He's just inconsistent. He's not as polished.

He'll be better next year. So I would go Wemby, my MVP. Here's Nick Wright. He'd go Luca. Wimby is the best defensive player in the league, and one of already the highest defensive ceilings. At the end of the year, we vote on the all NBA team, the 15 best players, and then as a sidebar, the all defense team. You know what? There's not the all offense team. You know

why? Because they're like, yeah, that's the all NBA team. We have MVP and we have defensive player of the year. You know, we don't have offensive player of the year. You know why? Because that's the MVP. But when the offensive genius, is a huge liability defensively, I just think that has to be considered. Just considered. I'd go Wemby, Luca, SGA, probably thereabouts, but I think when, Wembe's going to win several for the record. I don't think there's any question about that.

Boy, tell you, the tide is turned on Darren Peterson. A month ago, it was like, get over it. He's number one. You know, I'm watching that St. John's game like the rest of you and doesn't have an assist, took the most shots, kind of, I use the term, kind of plays in a silo. He's kind of doing his own thing. I mean, and then you start looking back and you're like, okay,

durability doesn't really elevate others, calls himself a loner. It's like, I don't know, just, I would just say, you watch the St. John's game late and you're like, I don't know. I mean, BYU may have been bounced early, but that kid, their star drops 38. Like he is just unbelievably the best player on the floor.

Colin, sometimes picking number one is almost tougher. There's more pressure on you. The Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud is a perfect example. Carolina trades up for one. We get the pick. They do all the homework. And they got the wrong guy. Now, obviously, Young rebounded this year.

But for the longest time, it looked like, hey, they made a mistake. I almost wonder if there's too much, there's so many good players at the top of this draft that you don't want the first pick because there's a chance you screw it up. Listen, Peterson, yes, red flags and all. Colin, would you be shocked if he was putting up 26 a game

in four years and was second team all NBA? Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Name the last college football or college basketball star with college durability issues that goes to the pros and it just disappears. Okay.

Well, it's going to take more than 10 seconds for that. But you're obviously, the first person that comes to mind is Michael Pennix had major issues. He just got hurt again. He's already hurt. Sam Bradford. I mean, didn't Tua get hurt at Alabama? And he got hurt with the concussions and everything. Find me a guy.

Listen, the NBA is not only double the games, but you're playing against NBA bodies. When Bam out of Bayou at 83 points, one of the things I talked about was dude's been in an NBA weight train and the Miami Heat, they'll find you if you're not lifting weights every day. Bam out of Bayou's body, that is a 10-year-plus NBA body. He's playing the Wizards and they're throwing 19-year-old and 20-year-old kids against him. Part of the 83 points was the Wizards are a bunch of their kids. Bam's like a grown blank man.

Well, and so, and my take is, you know, Bam's not missing a lot of time. Bam is the body, the physicality. Some guys, and I covered when I was in Portland, there was a great player who got banged out. Some guys, Greg Oden, just broke a lot. What do you think would have a better, is likely to have a better NBA career? Darren Peterson or Cameron Boozer? Peterson would be more spectacular. I can see Boozer is not a super athlete,

so I can see him being like a really good number three on an excellent team. Well, wait, Yokic is not a great athlete. He's a one. Yokic is the most skilled big man in the history of the sport. By 28 years old. He was not at 19-20-21. Yeah, I mean, Boozer's not in the same class as Yokic offensively. Not even in the same class.

Not yet. No, God, he's never going to be that good of an offensive player. first of all he's not i mean your talk yokic is huge i mean i've stood next to yokic i've literally talked to him he's a mountain come on it's just just just different

um yeah i mean if you get banged up in college tell me i mean find me the running back in college who struggles to stay healthy goes to the NFL and you get 12 years he's never hurt it just doesn't work that way so if you got durability issues and well it's

it's it's it's hammy it's ankle It's, I don't know. You tell me, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there's a litany of players who have been banged up and had durability issues collegially. But man, when you get to the pros, these got, you're dealing with Peterson is guarding 19-year-olds. He'll now guard 30-year-olds, bigger, stronger. Donovan Mitchell.

And, you know. Because you're dealing with, you're dealing with guys who are using their, I mean, they're thicker, they're more physical. And by the way, and you see. this a lot. When you come into the NBA, they will test you physically. Even Wemby's first year, he got pushed around. Remember Wemby? That was the knock. He can get pushed right. He did the first. You remember Janus? What he looked like coming in? First like three years in the league. Yonness and non-factor. Skinny. I mean, I remember when Joel NB. came out. And he went number three.

I think when M.B. came out there were like Greg Oden injury issues. I mean, so you can say, well, he's not breaking things. It's hamstrings. It's, I don't know. It just, I, I just think if Peterson goes number one, I'm fine with it. I get it because his ceiling's so high. If he doesn't, I'm not going to berate somebody for not taking him. Yeah.

You know, the red flags, you know, it's like anything else. You know, if you, if you date somebody and you hear things, oh, you know, this, this, Eventually, you can put on a good face for the first three dates. Eventually, people are what they are. Three months. In Chicago, it's a bit. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

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Obviously, the NBA draft is at the front of your mind. You love talking about it. We get some great matchups in the Sweet 16. And how about this? An anonymous GM is saying that Darius Aikoff is now a top three prospect in the draft. Draft. Yes, Colin, that's draft. Now, listen, I don't want to go overboard with Auff.

We need to see his measurements. Is he 6'3? That's what they list him at. Is he 6'2? Is he 6'1? He is going to be an NBA. defensive liability. But can I say one thing about Aikoff?

He's a very athletic guy, and he's a great passer, and he's a great shooter. But he is something, usually guys who are dynamic, offensive players, like super athletic, are not necessarily great catch and shoot guys. They're rhythm shooters. He can do rhythm. He can do catch and shoot. He can pat. He is a player who elevates others.

He is just going to solve a lot. If you are lacking sort of a. dynamic presence in the back court. He can solve all of it. He can shoot. He can catch and shoot. He needs the ball, but he can play off ball. He's a great passer. He is going to be a liability on the defensive end.

So you have to know that going in. He would be a great player on a team that's got size, but lacks pop in the back court. And he would provide all of it. He'll make teammates better. I mean, he is just a special offensive play. Now, he's small. Right.

So again, you're not, small guys may not lead you to titles, but small guys, you know, it's like if I said Kyrie Irving did not have, he's a better passer than Kyrie. If I told you Kyrie Irving had no durability issues. I mean, again, you're talking about a player offensively that is one of the best offensive players I've ever seen. Best closer for a size ever. Kyrie, your best closer, I would say ever. Get the basket from the perimeter.

This kid's got some of that where you're just. like, well, that is, he brings so many qualities offensive. I mean, Kyrie's got a left. He's got a right. He's got to pull up. He can hit threes. He can, this kid is special. Yeah, he's going to be a problem for Arizona.

Amazing game. So when I do these NBA comparisons, I'm not comparing them to the best version of that NBA player. But the A-Cuff I'm watching looks like a young Derek Rose. Not MVP, Derek Rose. Better shooter. Derek Rose at 20, average 16 and 6. But Derek wasn't. going to average that as a rookie. I'll tell you that right now.

Derek Rose was a rhythm shooter. He was not into a rhythm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he wasn't. He couldn't shoot from deep. Aikoff shoots 45% from threes, and he can catch and shoot. You can play them off ball. I couldn't shoot threes either. Yeah. No, no, I'm with you.

Aikoff is a stud. Now, Caleb Wilson on that list is the guy to watch. He's the big kid at UNC. If you go watch a UNC Duke game, he played boozer to a standstill. And he's more athletic, jump out of the gym guy. this draft is here's the highlights of Wilson I'm just telling you he's got like

you know the bag is a little limited but athletically you could just see oh this guy in three years holy hell he could be 25 and 12 you know it's it's also with basketball you got to be careful because these are kids in the NFL everybody's played

three years minimum a lot of guys have played four and five years you have a lot of film and you're getting men a lot of NFL guys come into the league they're married yeah like these are kids so I I, yeah, I mean, there are eight to nine players in this draft with the potential to be stars. And I'm not talking just like making an all-star team.

I'm talking like the kid at Kineppel, the kid at Charlotte. Like, oh, they will pop immediately. Yeah. And there's a couple guys down on this list, Wogler at Illinois and then Kingston Fleming's at Houston. They play each other Thursday night. Look how good that draft is. I mean, look at those guys. I mean, the funny.

like Boozer is not a great athlete. He's not. Caleb is really raw. A cup is small and won't defend. Peters in durability. You know, the more I start reading and I'm reading articles, don't be shocked if A.J. goes number one. He's going to go.

He's the leader right now. I think he's going to go number. Again, what's the red flag? He doesn't have a red flag. So here's the thing. What if the Indiana is? Not a great shooter, but that's not a red flag. Me, Ray Allen didn't shoot like that in college.

I don't ever think. inconsistent jump shooter. I don't think that's a red flag. I don't think you have limit on practice time. Most young guys aren't great shooters. He could play with Tyrese Halliburton in Indiana. They have the worst record in the league right now. That would be huge.

I don't want DeBonsa in Sacramento or something. All right, let's move on. Come to the NFL. We love the NFL draft as well. And that's coming up next month. Todd McSheaugh has dropped his latest, not a ton of surprises in McShay's latest mock draft. Still has Mendoza at the top.

Barvel Rees 2. Jeremiah Love is kind of the guy to watch there at 5 for the Giants. Oh, no. They don't need a run. I would agree. I don't think that makes sense. Get him a right tackle. Take the Utah right tackle.

Love is the buzzy guy because there's no second quarterback. It's not a great receiver class. Love is testing off the charts. He could go four to Tennessee. Brian Daibald could say, hey, that's the Seekwon Berkeley I never had in New York because he was never healthy. Okay, I'm going to tell you right now. Except for that one season. You got the top 14 picks from McShay.

one of those guys is going to be a bust. What? I would say more than one. Well, no more than one. But I mean, like Jordan Tyson, he has going to the Rams. He doesn't stay healthy. He's got some durability. I have that in my coming out mock draft.

The Rams are going offense. That's very clear. I cannot believe that Spencer Fenno would go 14. I would take him tomorrow. That's a little low. Yeah, he's going to go top 10 for source. Sonny Stiles is the interesting one. A great linebacker from Ohio State.

You don't draft linebackers that high. It just, it feels a little rich. I don't see your guy. So I'm watching. If David Bailey goes eight to the Saints and they get the number one plug and play edge rusher, the Saints had a great draft. Because I would, if I was the Jets, I would take him. You know exactly what you're getting with him. Jets are going Reese, it looks like.

Aaron, the new head coach, the cornerback, Aaron Glenn, needs like Swiss Army guys who can move around in his defense. He's changing things up. I don't want to get too nerdy on the Jets. they stink. But Reese looks like the guy at two to the jets. All right, final story, Collins, to the UFL kicks off the 2026 season on Friday. 8 Eastern on Fox. Birmingham Stallions take on the newly minted Louisville Kings.

Saturday, the Houston Gamblers versus the Dallas Reneges. It is. I'll get you. I've never heard of the Louisville. Louisville team. One of the new teams. All right. Houston, Dallas, four on Saturday.

And the three new teams are the Columbus Aviators. Louisville Kings and Orlando Storm. Look at the coaches. Rick New Heisle's a coach. AJ McKearron, the former Alabama quarterback. Ted Gin Jr. How about that? Former great guide receiver. Ohio State, yeah.

I didn't know New Heisel took a gig. I don't know that. Got to get him on the show. Talk about it. Kevin Sumlin, who I think coached Arizona and A&M. Yes. Good memory. Yeah.

JMAQ with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm trying to think, you know, there's been some really good drafts. I don't think I've ever seen a draft where the top five players are all exceptional. Like all of them. And there is, I mean, listen, what you know, the other thing you're noticing is they're more domestic.

And we went through a run here of a lot of MVP. are international guys. A lot of your top picks are international guys. I mean, all of these guys are really good. Boozers not an elite athlete, but I think he has great hands and feet. There's some pushback on it. If he fell

to six, I wouldn't be shocked. AJ probably goes one. I think Peterson, you probably have to take him to go to Aikoff is fun to watch. He is fun. You know, a lot of guys that are hyperathletics, small guys,

John Wall, Westbrook, Derek Rose. Not great natural shooters. Great athletes. They rely on their athleticism. A Cuff, you get all the athleticism. Not only is he a great shooter, he's a catch-and-shoot guy. You can put him off into the wing, get the ball to him. He is really something.

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