The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - NBA playoffs tonight

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

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I did not like him over Golden State. I do think they match up with Denver pretty well. My criticism, my concern of Denver, this is a big stage. Any series with LeBron is going to get massive attention nationally. It's not just another playoff series. Any LeBron series is the biggest series in the world. Who do you like and why? What matchup should I keep my eye on in that series?

Well, first of all, because Nick, I know he was on here an hour or two ago bragging, right, about his picks and his Lakers. His picks were Dallas and Philadelphia to reach the NBA final. So let's put that out there just to bring him back to size. Those were his picks, all right, in the preseason. But this series, look, Colin, you're right. I picked Memphis to beat the Lakers. I picked Golden State to beat the Lakers. But I've learned my lesson.

I'm picking the Lakers in this series. I think there are a lot of reasons to like Denver. But you mentioned, you know, the bigger stage is Denver. A lot of their guys are younger. Are they used to this stage? Yokech will be fine. But he's going to need help. I mean, even if he averages a triple double, a 25 to 30 point triple double, which he's

been doing, they're going to need Jamal Murray, Michael Porter, Jr. to step up and hit shots. And that'll be a huge key in this series, whether or not the supporting cast for Yolkich. Contabious Caldwell Pope, who in the bubble was playing for the Lakers when they beat this Denver team in the conference finals, he should be fine.

I think he'll be a big for Denver. Bruce Brown's got to be big. So it's really the role players of the nuggets, do they give Yokic enough support? Because one thing I know with the Lakers, I can pencil LeBron in for 20 to 30 points, seven assists and seven rebounds. A.D., I'm not sure,

but I think he grew in that previous series. He was more consistent, so I think he can be consistent, and their role players have played well for them too. So I think this is going to be a great series. I've got the Lakers in seven, but that tells you when you pick a team in seven, it could kind of go either way.

You know, there's a lot of interesting things. everybody now is on the Jason Tatum's amazing, and my takeaway is go back even in that series. He disappeared for long stretches. And my guess is Miami's a much better defensive coach team and a better defensive team, much better than Philadelphia, and that they're going to challenge Jason Tatum much more than Philadelphia. What do you expect the series looks like Boston and Miami? Nick likes Miami, but I will say this.

if you told me all the players in the series, I get one. I would take Jimmy Butler just because of what he becomes. He elevates. What do you think this series will look like for Tatum? What will they try to make him do? Yeah, look, they're going to come up with a great plan. There's no doubt Eric Spolster is a fantastic coach, and their guys play hard and play tough.

And remember, like, I think many of us would say Boston was a better team a year ago under Eme Udoca. And Miami took them seven, right? Remember, that was a tough series. So I'm picking Boston, but Miami does scare me. I think Boston, though, wins this series on sheer talent. And Joe Missoula can't get bulldozed. He's going to be out-coached, but he has to be like somewhat in the ballpark,

because he's got the most talent. Like you mentioned Tatum, Tatum has been up and down. One thing about Tatum's when his backs against the wall, I mean, he's proven it time and time again. You can go back last year to game six in Milwaukee when they're down three, two, winter go home and he asks 46. Obviously what he did on Sunday, which started when they were in danger in game six in Philly and he was playing horribly. And he comes up with that huge fourth quarter. So he's got to be consistent, though. I don't know.

I hope that they've kind of learned over these past two. series, why are we playing down to our competition, right? They really should have beat up on Philly in much fewer than seven games, especially with NB missing the first game. Atlanta shouldn't have taken them six, but they've

given away some games. If they do that against Miami, they could be in trouble. So I hope they've learned to be more consistent. They just got so much more talent. Miami's got seven undrafted players. And so Boston should win this largely just

on their talent. And Tatum, I think he'll step up to the challenge. He's talked about being one of the best players in the world, which he is. I think he wanted, I think he would have liked to have been at least got some mention in the MVP race, right? He wasn't even in the sentence. And so I think he'll take the matchup with Butler personally, maybe not one-on-one, but who's the best player in this series?

Kevin Durant's now running through another coach. He didn't want to work with Kenny Atkinson, who's considered. excellent. Steve Kerr, he struggled with. Now Monty Williams, who I would contend is absolutely a top 10 coach. I think he's terrific. He may not be Spolstra, but he's terrific. There was the jock Vaughn. I'll see you later. Scott Brooks he worked with for seven years. And now there's a rumor James Harden of Phoenix. I don't know. It makes Kevin look a little eccentric, a little odd, or am I being too harsh. I don't love what it looks like for Kevin. No.

I don't think you're being too harsh and you forgot Steve Nash, who he wanted and then didn't want. I mean, so, now look, the post-warier's years have not been good for Kevin Durant. We all know he's deserving top 75, probably a top 20 player of

all time, first ballot hall of favor. That won't change. But I do think his legacy's being a tad diminished because we're seeing he doesn't, you know, he doesn't have to lead a team to championships, the intangibles. He's not a leader by his own admission. He can get mad, but he said it himself in a GQ article in 2017.

I'm not a leader. Okay. He's not a culture center like a LeBron or a Steph or a Tim Duncan. Okay. He's a great basketball player and for the most part a great shooter and score. But if you look at all these teams, Colin, he kind of becomes the second guy. Brick was a stronger personality. He never usurped that.

Cairo was a stronger personality. Devin Booker now. Whose team is? It's Devin Booker's team. Right. Devin Booker's a stronger personality. Now Golden State kind of pushed Duran out. He didn't have to be a leader, but you know, they kind of deferred to him, and so he accepted

it. But this is not going well for him. And look, he's got his two rings. He was great in those finals and in those seasons, so you can't take that away from him. but he would really do himself well if he could lead Phoenix to a championship somehow. I doubt it. But if he could lead them to a championship, all of these yeah butts and questions about Kevin Durant and his legacy go away.

All right. First things first, it is on fire. It's Bruce Sard having to deal on a daily basis with Nick Wright for an hour and a half. I can barely take nine minutes. But so this guy deserves extra pay. It's a great show with Kevin White. as well. They'll crush it today. First things first. Good seeing you, buddy. Thanks, Colin. You too. He brings up a great point. It's a really good point. Kevin Durand admitted,

I'm not a leader. I'm a baller. And I think it is, we think of this. If you're a great player, you're going to be a great leader. Kauai's not a leader. He's just a player. Right? Like LeBron's a leader. Magic. Michael. There are guys that we know we're great leaders. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Colin, that's why I said... Steve Nash as a player led the sons. He was a great leader. Kevin Durant's not a one. He's... Leader has to be a one. Leader has to be that guy in the huddle talking. Yes, he does. Well, Draymond's excellent leadership skills. He's not a one.

No, no, of course not. But if you are a lead... Kevin Durant is just a guy you plop in. There's nothing wrong with that, but he's not a guy you can build around. So you're saying he's the greatest two ever. I've said Anthony Davis is the greatest two I've ever seen. Not a leader, but great. He just doesn't have the rally around him, Gene, because, you know, AD misses a lot of games, has come into seasons out of shape.

His reputation was doesn't always play through injuries and pain, everybody's hurt. And by the way, not that dependable. even it is very best right now. He's great offensively every other game. Isn't Jason Tatum right now what Kevin Durant was like seven years ago? No, I think. Basically, he's a scoring machine. He can get buckets on anybody.

He raises the level of his players around him. He's got a good wingman and Jane Brown. I don't think Tatum's as eccentric. I think Jalen Brown and Tatum both have pretty good leadership skills. So they're like the cooler version of KD and Westbrook? No, I think. I think Westbrook lives in a tunnel, though he's great as a talent. And I think Kevin's eccentric.

I don't think Jalen Brown or Tatum live in a tunnel or are eccentric. I think they're both very good leaders. I think Yonis is a very good leader. I think, again, just because you're not, I mean, Steph's not major alpha. He's not confrontational. I'll give you a story. You want to hear a little story, a little inside scoop? You want to hear one?

Yeah. All right. So the Jordan Pool Punch. So I was told recently, I have good contacts with the Warriors, that what wasn't reported about that is that Jordan Poole had agreed to a new contract extension. It hadn't been reported yet. The punch was like a week before it came out. But he was assured they had agreed, although it wasn't official.

And he was talking trash to Steph and Clay, bragging and tweaking them. and Steph and Clay are not confrontational. Michael Jordan would come over and deck him. Larry Bird would get in his face. Kobe would get in his face. It's not Stephen Clay. Jordan Poole, a few days later, got in Dremon's face and started taunting him on his contract.

And Dremon decked him. But Dremon wasn't decking him just for Dremon. He was protecting Stefan Clay. He was pissed. Now, you say what you want. But Steve Kerr was mad the video got out. Yeah.

That's not an opinion. Steve Kerr's quoted, why was Steve Kerr not mad at the punch? Because the entire organization had heard the taunting for a week. And they were infuriated with Jordan Poole. And by the way, after the punch, I think it was about a week later, it was already official.

Contracts get done before they come out. I love this. So the point being is, Steph is a great leader. But he's not confrontational. So Tatum's not confrontational. He's a terrific leader, I believe. You don't have to be throwing, you know, you don't have leadership looks like, I asked

Jimmy Johnson once. I said, what's leadership? He goes, I don't really know, but Troy Aikman was. He goes, I don't know what it is. And so leadership is hard to define. But KD, I acknowledged I'm not a leader. At least he owns it. And I think he's too eccentric.

He's too much of a wanderer to be a leader. I think Tatum is an excellent leader. Agreed. And I think Steph is. But they're non-confrontational guys. There's different types of leaders. So going back to your story, the guy who employs a Golden State warrior,

I have good contacts on the Warriors. Yes, we get it. You know what it sounds like? That there isn't good leadership in Golden State. Because if, I almost called him Monta Ellis, but Jordan Poole is kind of like Monta Ellis. Scoring machine, I've got to get my bucket getter. Jordan Poole running his mouth for a week

and nobody in the organization told him, hey, maybe dial it back a little bit. The GM who gave him the contract didn't say a damn word and Steve Kerr didn't say anything? Nothing? For a week? Let me ask you. I'm not saying your story's suspicious.

I'm just like, where's the leadership? Like, pull the young kid aside and be like, hey, these guys have won a ton of things. You just got paid. Chill the bleep out. Just relax. Well, pro sports is sometimes there are people that confront immediately. let's say, for instance, I'll just throw this out there, that you signed a big extension in a year or two, and it's like big.

And you were chirping for a few days. That's not my style, but continue. Yeah. I'd probably let it go for a couple days. I wouldn't confront it. And then after a while, I'd be like, hey, bring it down. It sounds braggy. But you're a young guy.

I'd let it go. Just because you don't take a swing or confront, some things fester. I mean, by the way, we think Jordan's a great leader. Rodman left to Vegas for a week in the playoffs. Does that mean Jordan is not a great leader? No, it means people. These are artists. Or Phil Jackson, remember, isn't going to jump in.

He's going to let them sort it out and then hand out a book. Hey, read this. There's some subtle meanings behind it. Perfect. But Phil's a great leader. Yeah, 100%. But Phil was legendarily known during games to not call time out. Yes, indeed.

He would make his team work through it. Is he not a leader? So Phil's leadership was leadership is making my veterans figure stuff out and not call a time out. Yeah. So like Steph, when Jordan Poole was bragging, he's like, I'm going to let the kid learn. This is going to come back to bite you. I don't think that means the Warriors like leadership. Leadership looks, by the way, Steve Kerr learned from Phil Jackson.

So Steve and Phil did not confront issues. They let players solve them. Let's remember Phil Jackson is the only reason Michael George, won anything. He won nothing before Phil Jackson arrived. No. All the coaches let him run amok, do whatever he want, all the shots. Phil Jackson comes in installs an offense. Jordan

falls in line, makes his players around and better with the triangle and Tex Winter. Boom, Jordan wins. I'm not saying Kerr did not apply leadership to this, but somebody has to step in and say something to Jordan Poole. They did. And Draymond said it with his right hand. And it ruined the team and ruin everything.

They were a disaster on the road this season. You read the story this week about Bill Simmons's place about... I did not. It was basically about the... Listen, we made up after that, but it was just business. They're not hanging out. They're not spending time together.

Bill Belichick's leadership was calling out Tom Brady in the film room for 20 years. Eventually, Brady got sick of it and walked away. We don't 20 years. But my point is, leadership looks like a lot of stuff. And Phil Jackson's history, and that's where Steve Kerr learned, let stuff play out. You don't have to come in and... That's a two-game suspense. Steve let it play out and eventually

Draymond punctuated it. And oh, by the way, Steve defended Draymond. And do you think that ended the dynasty? I think they have to reboot. So it's over. By the way. So by the leadership of letting Draymond punch him out, the guy running his mouth.

Well, you don't, people do things. You're not always letting people do things. Sometimes they just do, I have kids. Sometimes I don't let them do things. they're human beings, not human doings. They do things. So Steve Kerr gave Jordan Poole enough rope and he hung himself and now it's over. The Golden State Warriors are cooked.

If the biggest criticism you ever make of a team is, their dynasty is over. That's the greatest. Belichick, after 20 years, your dynasty's over. Well, the beauty of that is Brady left won a title. And Belichick, you and I agree, probably ain't winning a playoff game anytime since. I don't know if he's wearing another one.

Surprise team. Remember we did that? Over under one half playoff wins for Belichick without Brady. I would say you're a little hot right now. I would say the truth is somewhere in between. Let me take a break. Come back. Fair enough.

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Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

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What is that supposed to mean? Good things happening soon. Well, what are you doing? I tend to get information a little before the public. Did you get a text from somebody whose last name rhymes with ween? Wean. It starts with a G. All right, anyway.

Cowboys offense will have a new look with Brian Schottinheimer at the helm, taking over for Kellyn Moore. He's going to teach the players his offense with Mike McCarthy. Schottenheimer. No plans to change the entire system. It's been a grind. It's been fun. As you guys know, look, the system's not broke.

I mean, it's not broken. They've won a lot of games here. Mike's been around for that. They've scored a ton of points. I have a ton of respect for Kellan and Nuss and Skip and Philbin those guys. I mean, I've coached with most of those guys before. But in terms of the process, we're getting organized for O-T. and we've had a lot of discussions.

It's certainly a starting point. I think what Cowboy fans are worried about is they let a brilliant young, progressive OC and hired a bounce around the league OC that has had some failures and it's been kind of predictable. He feels a little

old school and that's my concern with Dallas. The running back situation is cross your fingers on Tony Pollard, O-line is rebooting. They lost star tied end and Brandon Cooks is going to give you 900 yards, but they're very dependent on CD Lamb and that receiving court. Now that Dalton Schultz has gone highly dependent on one

star receiver. Is it safe to say sometimes people are looking over their shoulder and maybe worried about someone taking their job? Yep. So what you do is you get rid of that person. So you reassigned them to a different department. Is that what happened with McCarthy? Because like Kellyn Moore is considered absolutely. Absolutely one of the smarter young OCs. It's got to be top 10 OC in the league, right? Top 10, I think he's highly viewed. Now that Shanahan's a coach, I mean, now that some of the OCs have become coaches,

I think he's top five, top three. That's fair. Because many of the top OCs have become coaches. And anybody who's like, well, 49ers, I couldn't do anything. Couldn't do anything against the 49ers. It's a road playoff game. You do one game as a sample size? I don't know.

I think it's a bad move. The Niners had the best defense in terms of personnel. in the league now for several years. That is, that is, I mean, Fred Warner could be a Hall of Famer. The Funga's an unbelievable safety. Bosa's going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean, their linebacking core is just all men. That is a totally different ball game.

And Dallas, didn't they lose Pollard in that game? Didn't he bust, that's when he had the injury, right? Yeah, I believe so. I don't know. All right, next up, C.J. Stroud. Quarterback coming in from Ohio State was taken second overall by the Texans. Yeah. He started working with new teammates.

Yeah. Fellow Texans Rookie Center, Juice, Scruggs. Think Stroud, he looks amazing so far. I thought he was the best quarterback in the country. You could see why he was the second pick. His knowledge is crazy. Just getting to meet him. I've seen how vocal he is and how passionate he is about the game.

I'm excited to work with him. How about, you know, his comp, and I think it's a very realistic one, is Jared Goff, although I think he runs better. The idea that's a bad comp. His comp is he's Jared Goff. Jared Gough's been to a Super Bowl. Now, Stafford won, but Jared Gough, unlike Stafford, is always available to play. Jared Gough with the Lions has been exceptional at home.

If he is Jared Gough with a little better mobility, they found their guy. Well, Goff had a guy by the name of Sean McVeigh as his coach and offensive guru. Who does C.J. Stroud have? Well, C.J. Stroud's going to have arguably a better defense. It's not like defensive coaches and quarterbacks don't win games. That Belichick-Bradie thing was pretty good. It worked out okay. It worked out okay.

What's a win total on the Texas again? Six and a half, five and a half? Oh, I think it's an over. So we both love the Jags over. We both like Atlanta under. Over what? Over the Colts? Come on.

No, you what? This is not a good team. What's your over under? I like D'Amico Ryan. The problem is I like D'Amico Rhyant, so I'm probably passing on this. I'll bet a steak dinner on this one. point. I will not. I'm not going to. So I think there are a seven-win team, maybe eight. Houston, eight and nine Texans. That's insanity. Eight wins for the Texans.

All right. Final story. It's just because I love beating up on this team. The New England Patriots got a lot of criticism over their drafts over the last few years. Belichick taking a lot of the heat. Owner Robert Kraft, he's even made comments about the team not doing well in the draft in recent years. But this time, oh boy, Kraft loves the draft. that Belichick had. At the end of draft day, my eldest son, Jonathan, and I were chatting, and I said, this was a great, great draft.

I'm really optimistic about the team. And he said, Dad, you do that every year. You say that every year. But I really believe it. We were able to get the top seven picks that we had identified before the draft. I think it gives us a good balance of what our knees are. Okay, let me ask you.

They are the slowest team in the AFC at skill positions. And we have a game that is leaning offense heavy now. Their first picks, corner edge, linebacker, center, kicker, guard, guard. Now we're in the sixth round. They never added speed. Now, Christian Gonzalez, listen, the Patriots always have good corners. And I think he's going to be a terrific player. Second best corner, first best corner.

But this is a team that is slow. We don't question their defense. We don't question their kicking. We don't question their interior guard play. Corner defensive end linebacker, center kicker, guard, guard. Well, the second round pick white is pretty good. Gonzalez was good value. No, no, I will say.

I think the player that's going to be great for them, is the Georgia Tech kid. Keon White. I think he's going to end up being a pro-bow level player potentially for them. I think he's a great, and he plays with him. His motor is unbelievable. A lot of question marks after that, including a kicker in the fourth round. That being said, I think what they're banking on is buying low on the LSU kid's sixth round, Bouté.

Remember, he came in as like big-time hype, and then he didn't get the ball. They had like an early-season game. I'm forgetting who they played. And he didn't get the ball, and he was ticked off. And he was like removing LSU from his bio. and talking transfer, and his stock plummeted. But they're banking everything. Belichick's putting everything in the new OC basket.

And that's not going to work. This is like a sixth win team. I keep telling you, some of the stuff they're doing, some of the stuff... It's okay to say Belichick's doing, because it's not... Some of the stuff Belichick is doing, it's what you do if you were sabotaging an organization. You'd overspend for free agents, and almost none of them can play offensively. You wouldn't support Mac Jones. You'd put a DC as OC.

You'd put your kids on the staff, and then just as the slowest team in the AFC, you'd draft punters and kickers and guards and defensive guys. This league has changed. All Kansas City worries about year after year, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, get speed, wherever they can get it. Corner, receiver, tight-end speed. That team is, that team is in quicksand. They don't have a number one receiver.

And then they signed Juju Smith-Schuster to a three-year deal. he's capable, but he doesn't separate. They don't have a single receiver that separate from me. But they got Matt Jones. They'll be fine. That is a fourth place roster. Well, for sure. They draft two kickers and two guards?

For sure, it's a fourth place. There's no doubt that they, I mean, they have the lowest win total in Vegas. Tells you what the desert thinks about the Patriots. Seven, seven and a half, isn't it? In the division, yeah, lowest. Dolphins of Jets, nine and a half, bills. They've had multiple, multiple reaches in the last. three years. Multiple

reaches. Last year they reached at guard. A kicker in the fourth round from Maryland? What are we doing? I don't know. They are, I, I, I'll just say it again. Greg Popovich would never embrace the three, right? What happened? We're not going to really remember these post-Bradie years.

Yeah, we are. No, no. With Peyton Manning, all we remember is, oh, he was dominant with the Colts. No, no. Fifty-five touchdown with the Broncos. Nobody remembers how bad Peyton Manning was when they won the Super Bowl. You don't think this affects Belichick's legacy? No. Really?

How many Super Bowls does he have? I'm not saying we'll take that away. But we do know now, with absolute conviction, this was a 70-30 Brady play. They're bad post-Brady. They're dysfunctional post-Bradie. I don't. 65, 35, 75, 70-30? I'm with you on that.

Yeah, but we never thought that during the relationship. Yeah, we thought it was 50-50 or Belichick. Or Belichick. I mean, Brady was the system quarterback for years. Yeah. I mean, it's, it feels dis- And you know what the Internet's going to say. We're just saying this because now Brady's one of our teammates here at Fox.

No, I've said this before. I've been saying it for two years. They're dysfunctional. And this is what the Internet does, yeah. So, did Raymond text you anymore during this segment? I'll say you're looking at your phone. J-MAC with the News. Well, that's the news.

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