The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - NFL draft prospects

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

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Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. Now let's get this party started You're listening to Fox Sports Radio All right, welcome back. John Beck is the co-founder of 3DQB training program Six years in the NFL,

great college player at BYU, former Jets offensive assistant. He has worked now with C.J. Stroud. He's worked with Drew Brees. He's worked with Dack Prescott, Jimmy Garoppolo, Justin Fields, Trey Lance. We thought we'd bring him on today. I was talking to Frank Reich.

It was off the record stuff about a week ago. And, you know, we were just going back. You're working with C.J. Stroud. So C.J. is obviously, I can just, I can watch him play, John. He's bigger. He's accurate. Against George, I saw that he's also, he can move. What is your defining trait? If you were selling him and I'd never seen him play, John,

what does he do with your experience that is high level beyond the average college quarterback who's even good? I would say when you watch the way that CJ is able to deliver the ball downfield and to do it effortlessly with pinpoint accuracy, I think that's one of the biggest things to me that when you try to say, what is it that makes him unique? What is it that separates him from some of the other top guys? And I would say that's kind of his thing. It's just how he's able to deliver the ball downfield pinpoint, just drop it in a bucket. It's really impressive. Now, what I like about him, it reminds me of Justin Herbert.

I didn't know he could run until they played Wisconsin. I didn't think a CJ as a runner until they played Georgia. But he really, his natural innate game is sit, study, throw. Is he more athletic than we think? You tell me what you see. Well, I'm not sure what you think, but I know he's athletic. I played a lot of basketball with the guy. And you know what?

He's impressive on the basketball court. And I know that when everybody had the opportunity to watch the Georgia game, had some people say, wow, I didn't know we had that in him. And to think about CJ that I loved about and this process in the pre-draft, I got to know even more about him was how he knew he wanted to play in the college system at Ohio State to prepare himself to succeed in the NFL. He knew he wanted to work through his progressions. He knew he wanted to be great at seeing the defense. He wanted to be really good at all those things that really make a quarterback succeed from the pocket. And I think what that Georgia game did was it gave people an opportunity to see what if he needs to take off,

because that's what his team needs. What if he needs to scramble for some yards because that's what his team needs? I don't know if up to that point if those opportunities were there for him because he was having so much success from the pocket. But in that game, he showed, this is the athlete that I am. Okay, Will Levis, a little bit of a gun show at the Combine, muscular kid, has, you know, smart family, mom went to Yale, won a lot of games in the SEC in his last year. He didn't have a lot to work with. He lost some really good offensive Lyman to the NFL, and so I think he was under a lot more duress. What do you like about him?

The arm stuff's obvious. What does he have to work on, John? What do you look and think, okay, at the NFL level, you were there for six years. Will, you got to get better at Blank. So I've had some opportunities to work with Will in his off seasons. I know he did his pre-draft with Jordan Palmer down here in Southern California. The thing that I like that Will has had is he's had two offensive coordinators that have been in NFL systems.

So he's going to come in really well prepared for the type of offenses that he's been running in college to what it's going to be like in the pros. In terms of what he can work on, look, again, I've only had limited time with him, only some things here or there. Some guys that have been around him more than me would know no more. But he has such a great skill set. There's so much just talent in that arm. Yeah. But I know that that NFL pocket, there's going to be things where it's going to be the fluidity. You're going to have to be able to be as fluid as possible.

And again, I'm not saying it coming from a place where I've. know him extremely well. I've had a handful of times to be with them. I think he's a tremendous player and he's deserving of, you know, the hype that's happening right now. So it's hard to say exactly, but I do know this. He's going to be prepared for an NFL offense. The NFL is about being fluid. It's about being smooth. And in the times I've been around him, those are things that I've said, hey, if you, you know, if you spend more time with me, this is the areas that we're going to continue to work on, which I'm sure those are some of the things that they're doing down with Jordan as well. So years ago, John, I was told this by a general manager,

in the NFL, a Super Bowl winning GM. He said, listen, the great ones make difficult look easy, the ones that have talent but never make it make easy look difficult. And when I watch Anthony Richardson, there are times there are easy throws in the flat. Those are a layup for you. Those are a layup for Joe Brough. Those are a layup. And there are times I'm like, man, just stuff he's got to be able to do without thinking. It kind of looks hard. Now, physically, I don't even know how to explain him. He just doesn't look like other athletes. How much would you be concerned about, you know, 54% completion percentage, John, that's low at any level. I would want to know from a first understanding-wise, how much time has he been able to spend on that offense? How comfortable does he feel?

Because a quarterback's accuracy is going to improve the more comfortable that he fills in an offense. The second thing is the chemistry that he has with his receivers. If he was constantly having to plug in new receivers, that's not going to help a quarterback maintain his efficiency. in terms of accuracy because things are different. If we could just plug and play any receiver and say, oh, well, accurate pastors can be accurate regardless of who the receiver is, then why would we do all the offseason training with our receivers? It's really important that those guys fill that chemistry with the guys around us. So to me, those are some of the questions I would have because I know he's still essentially

young in his development as a collegiate player. I think he'd only play was at 13 or 15 games. Yeah. So to me, like, that's still a little bit on the young side of a college player. You see other quarterbacks that they come into the league having 30. 40 or, you know, 30 starts, 27 starts, something like that. So to me, it's how comfortable was he still or was he still relying on just that innate ability and athleticism to get him through these games? So to me, that's where I could say, hey, does he have room for improvement? What is his

ceiling like in terms of accuracy? There are things, John, you can teach, and you know this. Some of that stuff Mahomes does, it's just innate. It's just he, dad was a, you know, you can't teach everything, right? Timing. So when I watch Bryce Young, I was telling somebody this that he just consents, urgency, great awareness. I'm not sure. I mean, I've watched guys in the league that didn't work. They just never felt the pocket. When I watch Bryce, I'm like, he's just so comfortable.

It's like a basketball player. He pivots real quick. That's what I see. To me, what is it? What do you see? So, I mean, you kind of answered a question that I I was asked by an NFL GM, obviously one of the top teams that's considering taking him. They just said, if you could give me something right now, what would it be?

Like, what's that separating factor? I just said, look, he has a six cents. The best way I can say it is it's that like six cents. And you see it show up on a basketball court when you play basketball with him. And I'm sure if you talk to his parents, it's in whatever sporting activity he did growing up. He just has a great feel about it. And it could be because he was always the undersized kid with what felt like this space moving around him, these bodies moving around him, and for him to survive and excel,

he had to pick that up. And so his is maybe honed in a little bit more. And I know, this just popped in my head. Like you sometimes wonder, why do we have these amazing musicians that have like a hearing deficiency or they're blind or, you know, something's going on. But this other sense was heightened, you know, and I don't know for whatever reason it was, Bryce does have this innate stick sense that just allows him to make these amazing plays, this great feel where you go, how did he feel that guy and maintain eyes downfield and have the ability to see the safety and layer that ball so perfectly? To me, it's like you said, like I can't go out on this field right here in Huntington Beach and I can't give him a situation that's going to replicate

that. I can't. But when a play breaks down in a game, he's got something to them that allows him to make those plays. Yeah, it is hard to it. And he had it in high school. I watched his high school tape in Southern California. Just he made it look. Some guys make stuff look easy and he really does. So Hennon Hooker, like a lot of people, I didn't follow his career. And I see this big guy against Bama, just big arm, big got totally poised. And I'm like, now against Georgia, it wasn't as good. But I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I might take a flyer on that.

He'd had an injury, an ACL injury. Is he fluid enough? Like, why for his size and arm isn't he higher? What worries you? What do you see you like on Hennon Hooker? you know because i didn't have him in the pre-draft i didn't dive as in-depth as i do with the guys that we have during the pre-draft but i did follow him because i'm sure like everybody else across the country you went wow Tennessee look what they're doing i mean it was undeniable the way they were playing

football how efficient he was playing i loved some of his downfield throws yeah uh the armed talent the athleticism the way that he was also commanding the offense like i looked at his touchdown interception ratio that's big to me because that shows how well a guy truly understands what his teams doing. The other thing was, is the ability to capitalize on big plays. Like, they were all about that this year. Yeah. And with great accuracy downfield. So he was definitely a prospect that really intrigued me during the season and caught my eye. You know, and I wonder, I do know this. Some teams are still very high on him. I've heard some people say, at times his tape is in that zone of how is it going to translate to the NFL game? I'm trying to

evaluate this. I don't know if I can evaluate the scheme in the system, but I can't evaluate the talent and I can't evaluate the throws. And I've heard from a lot of people, there is an excitement for what they think he can be coming off of this injury. So to me, the excitement is still there for a lot of teams and what he showed in college and what they think he could be in the NFL game. By the way, the Brock Purdy thing at Iowa State, I don't know if you've broken him down. Were you shocked by it? He was a multiple year starter. Did you see things and go in college? That's going to work at some level. I remember a couple years ago, you know, every year, Mel Kiper puts out his like top five list, right? And everybody is aware of who Mel Kiper puts on that list. And I want to say two years ago, Brock popped up on that list. Now, he's an Arizona kid. I grew up in Arizona. You kind of know what kids are coming out of your home state. And I knew he was talented. There, had success there, goes to Iowa State, pops up. I want to say, like after his sophomore year going into his junior year, I think it was on Mel Kuyper's list. And so there was talent there. People knew there was talent there. For whatever reason, something I will say, quarterback's like, sometimes the rise and fall. Oh, a great sophomore.

more year. Then the junior year is not as good. Right. Like, you can't always put that on the quarterback. Like, sometimes that's on the pieces around him. Sometimes it's just things are moving, right? There's, like, there's injuries. Like, it's your defense. Like, are you constantly having to play from behind? Or are you getting to play from a lead? So, you know, with the talent that he did show, with the opportunity that he had in San Francisco, with the type of roster around and with having a play car like Kyle Shanahan, look, things, things work. Things aligned. And I watched the guy playing games. The guy was bawling. The guy did some good things. You know, they didn't have to always put him in the toughest of positions because they were able to play in good situations

and he knew what was around him. But the thing I loved was the guy seemed unflappable. When he went in there and he had to play in big time games as a rookie, he delivered some big time throws. He was very poised. And when he needed to take off and run with the football, he did it. I love the athleticism that he flashed as well. So it was super cool to see somebody have an opportunity. He took full advantage of it. And it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out for him and the Niners going forward. Yeah, the other thing that's interesting, John, is Iowa State's got a coach, Campbell. really like Matt Campbell. And the minute Brock Purdy left, that was not the same program. It's like,

you can tell, and then Campbell knows what he's doing. I mean, they've done a good job there. I mean, it dried up pretty quick. So this kid obviously had an ability. He left something in his wake. They now feel a little bit like Iowa State was most of my life, which was, you know, getting overwhelmed. So John Beck, co-founder, 3D quarterback training program, six years in the league, really good insight on this stuff. We love to have you on again before the draft, John, and thank you so much. All right. Sounds great. Appreciate you guys having me on. All right. John Beck. By the way, the herd continues on FS2. Ireland, France, soccer from Dublin next on FS1.

And there you go. You know, it's interesting. And I didn't know he was going to say this. When you watch Bryce Young, it's hard to explain. It's just he just has it. It's like Burrow. He's not the biggest. not the strongest, he didn't have a great arm, and then you watch him on a third and nine or a fourth

and four, and he's more accurate. Like obviously certain players, you know, you watch certain guys and you're like, yeah, Josh Allen, yeah. But like Joe Burrow, you're like, he's not bigger than this guy or doesn't have an arm of this guy. What is it with Joe Burrow? It's it. Bryce Young is the it guy in this draft. And I can't explain it, but that dude sees the field. If somebody's open, and a lot the guys, I still worry about Justin Field of Chicago. Like sometimes I feel like he sees what he's looking at. Like he doesn't see the field. He sees where the play is designed.

And a lot of guys grow into that. Bryson High School, college, left side line, right, middle, deep, short, just some guys have it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping

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Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. The Burrow comp is interesting, because remember, Burrow was in a tough quarterback room at Ohio State, had to transfer. He was kind of, I don't want to call him a late bloomer because he was always a good football player.

But like Bryce Young was ticketed for greatness from the jump, everybody knew he was going to be awesome. Burrow kind of became awesome, right? The second year at LSU, remember when he blew up and they were dominant? All right, let's get started with another quarterback, the New York Giants. Daniel Jones got a four-year $160 million deal after a great, ah, sorry, after a good year with Brian Dable. Now, come on, he said wasn't great. No, good.

Good. Good. Good. Good. Is it being kind? He had 15 total touchdown. Average? Slightly above average.

I would say he had an average year. So a C-plus year. That's fair. Okay. He had a C-plus year. With mobility, a C-plus year, he is mobile. Deserves credit for that. His head coach only expects growth from here.

It's his second year in the system. I don't think he's had continuity since he's been there. We all can do a better job. I think that he really adapted to the things that we were asking him to do. We tried to implement a lot of things that he likes to do. That's just another step going into the offseason of adding more pieces. More players around him. And there's also growing into the quarterback we think he can be.

So can he elevate from a C plus to a B plus, or is that too much to ask? No, they say you can't jump a grade. The feeling is with athletics, you can't go from a C plus, you can't go from a C plus to a B or a B minus. But even a great coach is, you know, I mean, Andy Reid could only take Kevin Cobb so far. Or Alex Smith, who's good, he could never make him great. So the feeling is, it's like in the NBA, if you get a guy who's kind of a B plus player with good coaching, Chris Middleton's like a B to a B plus guy, and the feeling. feeling is for a few years, they got him to an A-minus player. He's never going to be an A-plus

play. Well, remember, Steph Curry, there were a lot of doubts about him coming out of Davidson. He fell a little bit behind Johnny Flynn. But very early, Jerry West said, this is an A. Okay, but I know. They moved off Monta Ellis, who was really talented and really popular. So Jerry West saw the A and him, whereas a lot of the, you know, and by the way, Steph may have also been, and this is true, a late bloomer. There's not a lot of guys that come into the NBA as a C, like, as a prospect and become an A. Yeah, that's probably accurate. I remember people said Gary Payton for years and years started slow, and I'm like, he was the college basketball player of the year.

Nicola Yolkich. He was a second round pick out of Europe. Yeah. He's an eight. Janus was a lottery pick, late lottery. Yeah, people thought Janus was going to be spectacular talent. Usually they thought multiple MVP's for Janus in his future when he was drafted? Even crazy.

If you go back and look at M.Bed when he was skinny, when you go back and look at Yonis, Like, that body type doesn't exist on planet Earth. Like, Yokic is a really good one where it's like he was kind of C as a B guy and he has become an A guy. That's a good, that's a good one. What's tougher to project, like NBA or NFL? Because like a Kauai Leonard at a San Diego State fell, traded, like, he went healthy. He's an A. Is he not an A plus?

Where did Kauai get drafted, by the way? I think he was like lottery, somewhere like the 9 to 13 range. Okay, so there you go. So by the time he was drafted, he was near the lottery, and that's an A prospect. I imagine he was viewed. By the way, some guys are late. Like people go, oh, Steph Curry, well, where was? He was drafted 15th for Kauai.

So in the world, he was one of the top 15 picks. So that's at least an A-minus prospect generally in most drafts. So Steph Curry was drafted where 11th or something like? See, my only pushback is like, wait a sec, 11 players passed on an A-miner, or 14 teams passed on an A-minus in Kauai? Okay, but Kauai's a little unorthodox, smaller school, a little different personality, that could have played. Wasn't a great shooter. He was, you know, I mean, again, it's hard, I think, in the NBA because you're drafting 19, 20-year-old. In the NFL, I got four years of tape. One more. Patrick Mahomes, who was not great. I mean, he put up numbers. This isn't interesting.

Okay. So Brett Veach, one of the best GMs in the league, traded up to get him at like 10. So that's an A prospect. Brett Veach tells the story, Andy Reid tells a story that Brett Veach says, this is the best player in the draft. So Brett Veach is like, this is an A-plus prospect. If you move up to get 10, that just means a bunch of other NFL GMs, suckas, and you're the star. A lot of guys miss on stuff.

I think if you could show me a clip where anybody on planet Earth said before the draft, Patrick Mahomes is an A prospect. No, Brett Veach did to Andy Reid. He's not going to advertise it. Yeah. Okay. Next up, the 49ers will have a quarterback competition this offseason with Brock Purdy and Trey Lance coming off injuries. But according to 49ers, GM John Lynch, I think he said this today or last night.

Purdy has the inside track at winning the job. Yes. After leading him to the NFC championship game. I think Brock has earned the right with the way he played that he's probably the leader in the clubhouse. If we were to line up, he'd probably take that first snap. We're still very excited about Trey. but I think the way Brock played, he has earned that right to be the guy. It's certainly a competition.

We'll always have that. Oh, my gosh, Trey Lance has to be devastated. He's got to be crushed. He just said the seventh-pick, seventh-round pick, who is the last guy taken in the draft, has the inside track on being the starter next year. And Trey Lance is going into, I believe, year three. Well, listen, it's half of these quarterbacks in the first round.

Don't make it. Is this a message being sent to Lance? Maybe. He's going to see it. His people are going to see it, too. Are you working? Are you grinding? You're going to get passed by this, Mr. Irrelevant. That's interesting. Interesting take.

A little message to... I mean, maybe John Lynch and Shanahan are unhappy with Lance's progression. Now, you've got all the inside people in San Fran. No. You were the one who talked about his throwing motion before anyone else. No, no, no. I've been told. I've been told by somebody in the building.

Like, they were concerned with accuracy. It's a problem. It's not a rumor. It is an issue. They had arm fatigue. He had such a weird motion. It was creating arm fatigue. It shouldn't be that hard to throw.

So they're concerned about it. And by the way, some problems are correctable. Some aren't. So sometimes the last ditch effort when you can't get through to somebody is to do it through the media. And maybe that's what they're doing here. Final story, Kevin Durant has been out of the sun's lineup since that sprained ankle in warm-ups. According to Shams Sharania, KD is progressing and could return Wednesday against the T-Wolf. If he does, Durant will have Phoenix's final seven games to tune up for the playoffs.

Phoenix half game up on the paper clips for the fourth seed in the West. KD back Wednesday. Is this appointment viewing if he returns? No, it's not appointment viewing. The playoffs are appointment viewing. They're getting to the conference finals if he stays healthy. Don't saying they're winning it. They're getting there.

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on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little kill? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

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Open your free, our heart radio app. Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. Jeff Goodman's been covering college basketball, basketball analyst for stadium, Fox, ESPN, CBS, NBA, college, high school, last couple of decades. Go to At Goodman Hoops. Jeff is joining us today. So, Jeff, I was saying earlier today, Yukon's got a big recruiting class next year, so does Kentucky, Duke, Michigan State. The Blue Bloods next year feel like they'll be pretty stocked with high-end talent.

It feels like this year, the teams were UCLA had a couple injuries. There's no great team. There's a bunch of good ones. Is that fair? yeah and honestly Colin it's changed because of a couple factors all hitting at the same time right you have the transfer portal where kids no longer have to sit out and wait a year right you have NIL you also have inflate gate right now right all right you have inflate gate right all right you have inflate right all right you have been heard about it no the ball has been blown up oh yeah I heard about that yeah yeah yeah all right so not to flake gate but inflate gate all right uh has also kind of closed the gap a little bit with some of these schools but the other thing is you got overtime elite you got g-league ignite and you've got a lot of players right now with the extra COVID year you've got 24 25 year olds playing college basketball against 18 year olds so it pays it pays to be older right it's just kind of these next couple of years might be much of the same because again

you've got the COVID year for two more years and the other thing is the freshman class this year and next year not very good okay that that makes a lot of sense the COVID year year. That makes a lot of sense. You had guys getting an extra year, older non-NBA guys against Texas, a really old team. So, you know, Yukon, I spent a decade in Connecticut. Calhoun to me is kind of the Bill Snyder of college basketball where, you know, Stores is kind of a, you know, middle of nowhere town, and he built up something that went toe to toe and beat Duke regularly. And then he leaves, and I'm thinking, I'm not sure if they're, I'm not sure if this thing's ever going to bounce back. They hired

Danny Hurley, who's got a big name in basketball circles. Are you surprised how fast, how well this thing has worked? Not really. Not really. I've known Hurley since he was in St. Benedict's. So I've known him for 25 years. And the Hurleys are different. They're a little bit crazy.

But they work their, you know what's off. And they recruit and they're out of their minds. Andrea Hurley, Danny's wife once told me, her line was when Danny loses he's miserable, when he wins, he's miserable. That's how they are. That's how they are.

They're just wired differently. He took over a program that really was in shambles for the most part. Kevin Olly really would help his Shabazz Napier. They won a national title, shockingly, in 2014. And then they're in the American when Danny takes over. And he's miserable in the American because they're playing like Tulsa, East Carolina. they can't recruit a high level because they're not playing good enough schools. Then they go in the Big East and things change.

Now they're able to get dudes like Jordan Hawkins, like Adomasinogo, like the class coming in next year. And again, Hurley's relentless. You know, we talked about this last week. I felt college basketball was in a little trouble. And then the NIL, well, God, if a good school can pay a kid 300 grand and the G League pays him 400, go to college, use it as a marketing platform. You get a legendary coach. Maybe I'm over being hyperbolic here, but it does feel like the college football would have survived regardless.

But the NIL, it feels like it's a big boon for college hoops, Jeff. Is it? Well, it has for the bigs returning, right? Those bigs, Armando Baycott, Hunter Dickinson, Oscar Sheewe. They weren't making $300,000. They were making more than that to come back to school. All right. So that's a good thing.

They're dominant in the regular season, as is Zach Eadie for Purdue, who's not able to make as much money because, again, like she would, they find ways around it, but international students, it's a little bit more difficult to be able to make NIL. But here's the thing. Where are those guys now in the NCAA tournament? You win with them in the regular season. You don't generally win with Biggs in the NCAA tournament. You win with guards.

That's why all those teams are here for the most part. Yukon, Hasenogo, and they got a big boy behind him in freshman Donovan Klingan. But they've also got, you know, a lot of. pick to me and Jordan Hawkins. So I want to ask you about Kyrie because you also cover the NBA Bob Ryan and you have Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman NBA podcast. Do we have to? Hey, do we have to do, you know. But I said about Kyrie, though, he's got two careers.

With LeBron, excellent. Outside of it, a chemistry killer. Did you see it coming eight years ago? Did you see it coming? Yeah, yeah. I did. I did. Maybe, you know, you saw. little bit of it at Duke, a little bit, but not, again, you talk to people in Cleveland, and they saw it coming, Moody. And then I dealt with him a lot, you know, when he was in Boston, when he first got there, condescending, and a lot of players, the players I talked to, and again, they say they liked Kyrie off the court. They liked them. And obviously, they understood the value of his talent, but they said it was like walking on eggshells every time they walked in the

locker room because they had no idea what Kyrie they were going to get. Some days he could be great and other days he could be a you know what. Yeah, what a bummer. Okay, so give me your, it does feel like you, so

we say it's kind of a down year. Most people like Yukon. If I said next year, do we have a chance next year, Jeff, to get a great team in college hoops? Can we come back? Because usually we have one or two, that we really like it like that you Villanova's had two or three NBA guys and we're like that's a really

high-end college team give me your one next year as we probably revert back to brand names being more substantial in the tournament I mean you need NIL right you need a good coach and you need an I'll and you need guard play um I just I trust bill self I still think they might have been here if bill self was able to coach and their point guard don't harris didn't get hurt remember he stepped on a photographer and he wasn't the same in the second house. Here's my question to you. I'm going to throw you on quickly. I know you got other things to do.

But you're admittedly kind of a college basketball casual. Yes. You've always said that and been totally transparent with that, which I love. For me, like I'm torn on this field, right? Like it's kind of cool for me to watch FAU. I was just in Boka two months ago with Dusty May. It's kind of cool because, again, I've been in it. For the casual, I assume.

You don't like this at all, do you? Well, I loved the tournament. We have given college and my career, you have to go back 15 years to the amount of college basketball we've talked on this show. We've talked a ton of it. I know. You bring me on. Yeah.

Well, the downside to upsets, you end up with this final four. So I loved the process. Yeah. I liked making the outlet. You don't want to see them. You don't want to see them all the way here. That's right. Yeah, you don't want to see them all the way.

Yeah. the same way. And you know what you don't have here? Here's my take. Dan Hurley's not a villain. He can be, he can be if you really get to know him. He could be, Andrea, his wife will tell you he's a villain in his own home. But, but you don't have a, and part of the problem is Coach K's gone. Roy Williams is gone. Jay Wright's gone. A lot of these big names are now gone. Nobody knows who John Shire really is. Hubert Davis. Okay, yeah, like he's super likable. It's hard to hate Hubert Davis, but a lot of people hated K, hated Roy, hated some of these guys that have gone out lately. Yeah.

And they were the brand names, right? You're not looking at the players. It's the coaches in college. Yeah. Jeff Goodman, Goodman and Hummel podcast, Goodman and Bob Ryan, basketball analyst for stadium. Good seeing you again, Jeff. Thank you. Thanks, Colin.

You bet. Yeah, I am. I say this before. I'm not a casual with the NFL or college football or NBA playoffs, but college basketball. but college basketball it's kind of a turnstile a little bit of a casual i'll start watching it like you february march you start watching teams you know i watch everybody a couple times i like the process of making this omelet i'm not sure i love the omelet the final product i'm like you know it's kind of fun to make that there's some new ingredients i'm not sure i love it so it's

all i'll i'll wash but the downside upsets is you get left with the people who upset duke and Kentucky. And it's just, think about this way. It's just easier. I mean, even a casual NBA fan, casual, a guy that likes college over pro. I'd say, give me three Golden State Warriors. You'd be like Draymond, Steph Clay, right? A casual.

You don't have to love the NBA, but I'd say, give me a couple Celtics. And you'd be like, well, like Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, right, right? You can love college basketball and not name a starting five outside of your favorite team. So it's, you've got to have a connection. And in college basketball, the connection now is brand and coach. And we had three legends leave, right? Jay Wright, Roy Williams, coach, K. So it's a little bit of a down year, a little cyclical year.

I will say the sports gambling has a huge impact on two sports in the world. NFL and college basketball. It's what we bet. March Madness in the NFL, ratings up for both. College basketball ratings should not be up. We don't know the players. It's a turnstile. Five guys per team transfer.

It's a merry-go-round. But they're up because we're not turning these games off, even if the refs drive us crazy. Yeah, totally agree. I'll say this, if Noel and Kansas State were here, I think we'd be talking a little bit more about that team because he had some juice. Remember the 5'8 kid from Kansas State? Yep. Like, that was exciting. Oh, but no disrespect to FAU like, they're kind of anonymous.

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