The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - NFL trade deadline, the Rams are a complete team, what the Bills need, Albert Breer, Danny Parkins
Episode Date: November 3, 2025Colin talks to NFL reporter Albert Breer about the upcoming NFL trade deadline, the Bills chances on winning the Super Bowl this season, the Rams looking great this season and more Danny Parkins from ...First Things First stops by The Herd to talk about the improvement of Caleb Williams and the BearsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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And with that, we go to Albert Breer.
Tomorrow is the NFL trade deadline Monday morning quarterback.
Okay, I said with Buffalo, I really do feel like you dominate in the red zone,
the time of possession, you're at home.
And Kansas City's got the ball trailing 28, 21.
I do feel like they need something on the perimeter.
What are you hearing on the bills?
Well, they're looking for two things now.
The first thing actually is a defensive tackle because Ed Oliver was injured last
week and they don't know whether or not they're going to get them back at all. If they do,
it'll be during the playoffs. And so they have a little bit of a depth issue there.
You saw what happened with the commanders last night. Could maybe they make a call on somebody
like Javon Kinlaw. I can see that happening. So I think defensive tackle is their top priority
right now, but receivers are right behind it. They've made calls on receivers. I think the New Orleans
receivers are interesting. So you have Chris Olavé and Rashid Shaheed there. My sense is they're trying to
get a lot of a extended. They liked for him to be there long term. And the asking price for
Shaheed is high. But Shaheed does bring something to the table, Colin, that the bills are lacking,
which is an over-the-top type of weapon that can stretch the defense. He could really weaponize
Josh Allen's arm strength. So would you flip New Orleans, a third round pick for Shaheed,
whose contract is up after the year? I think that'd be the question the bills are asking right now.
but they have asked on receivers.
And again, I think the top priority would be defensive tackle.
So the obvious sellers would be the dolphins already have, maybe the Jet Saints.
It does feel like over the last couple years, Jets, it does feel like over the last couple years,
there's more aggressive young GMs, or is this just like it always is?
I mean, it's like it always is.
People like me are throwing around 100 names for like five or six to get traded.
So like that's not different than that.
than it's ever been. I do think there's more discussion and more concepts that's thrown around.
You know, and I do think like that, you know, teams have gotten ahead of this a little bit.
You saw Jai or Alexander traded over the weekend.
You know, obviously Jalen Phillips happens today.
So, like, there is a little bit more aggression earlier in the game, too.
I think we'll see some action tomorrow again.
Like, most of it's going to come down to how far teams are willing to go to get players who may be on expiring
contracts or may only have a year and a half left on their deal. So if you want to go down the list,
some of the teams, I mentioned the Saints. The receivers are certainly in play. Would they move one of
their older defensive players? I'll get to Mario Davis. The Dolphins, you know, they trade Jalen Phillips.
Could they trade Mink of Fitzpatrick? I don't think they'll trade Jail and Waddle. They've
basically given teams that have called a no on that one. But if Fitzpatrick could be valuable as a
movable piece in your secondary. And then I think they still could trade another edge, like whether that's
Matthew Judon or Bradley Chubb.
And the Jets are really interesting here because the Jets can offer a Brice Hall who's in a
contract year.
I think it took a day two pick to get him.
Jermaine Johnson actually has a year and a half left on his deal.
I think they'd be much more willing to trade Jermaine Johnson than they would Will McDonald.
Are you willing to give up a third round pick for Jermaine Johnson?
And then Quincy Williams, who's a pretty accomplished linebacker, he'd be available as well.
So there are a lot of names floating around the Titans.
They've gotten some calls on their edge rushers, Arden Key and Draymond Jones.
They're open for business.
Calvin Ridley could be available.
They're open for business on anybody except probably Jeffrey Simmons or Cam Ward.
So there's a lot of that type of discussion right now.
And there's aggression in having those discussions.
But how many deals that actually results?
And that's always been the trouble this time of year is that you see a lot more discussion than you do action.
You know, it's the NFL, Brian Schottenheimer has overachieved, in my opinion.
I mean, Cincinnati without Burrow, I don't think there's a ton of pressure on Zach Taylor and the Brown family doesn't buy out, you know, coaches.
Yeah.
Is there, I mean, Miami, Mike McDaniel, I threw it out last week.
I would consider Lane Kiffin.
He's seen half these college quarterbacks.
He's recruited him.
He's played them.
Is there, I mean, do you see a firing?
coming as there, we're talking trade deadline.
What is the, it feels like this year, it's not as hot.
Like four teams just, I don't feel like there's a coach in big trouble right now.
Yeah, I mean, I have a hard time seeing the Giants do that midseason.
Yeah, I don't see that.
I just don't see it happening in season.
After the season, yeah, that could happen.
I don't think it'll happen during the season.
You know, the dolphins are interesting.
And I think the idea here for the dolphins and Stephen Ross said this in his statement was
is to take a global look at their football operation and not have to do it in the shadows,
right?
That's why they walk away from Chris Greer, who've been with them for a quarter century on Friday.
So, like, they want to look at the idea of bringing in a head of football operations.
Do they want a model where that guy's the boss?
Do they want a model where the coach is the boss?
They'll be able to look at all of this now and talk to a lot of people, consult with a lot of different people.
You know, ultimately, I think the reason they pulled the trigger on Chris and not Mike here,
Steve Ross had heard from a lot of people like Mike McDaniel could wind up being dynamite, you know, if he gets a second shot as a head coach, even if he's done in Miami. And so I think he wanted to be a little bit careful about pulling the trigger on McDaniel. Just, you know, the off chance that maybe they decide to bring in a head of football operations and that guy comes in and decides they want to keep McDaniel. Because I do think that there are a lot of positives to what McDaniel's accomplished over his three plus years in Miami.
still a lot of moving parts there.
And I'm not saying in-season firing can't happen there either.
I think the Bronbner would be whether or not he loses the locker room.
They do have that trip to Madrid in a couple of weeks with a buy on the other end of it.
So you never say never.
But I don't think the idea would be to pull the trigger on McDaniel until after the season when they get that full look at football ops.
Who is your best team in the league now?
When you make all these calls and you talk to people around the league, who are people?
impressed with?
You know, I think people feel like Kansas City is going to come around.
Now, Josh Simmons is back in the building.
That was a problem for them yesterday for the first time, I think, like not having
Josh Simmons out there.
So I think there's a feeling that Kansas City, once they really get, you know, rolling
the offensive lines together, obviously they got Rashi Rice back now.
We know what Spags can do on the defensive side of the ball that they'll be there.
You know, Buffalo is another one where, like, they've really got their house in order to earn
their buy.
And if you see, look over the last two weeks, right, they really haven't had to take the Ferrari out of the garage, so to speak, with Josh Allen.
You know, they've run the ball really well.
Josh Allen only threw the ball 26 times yesterday, which is a pretty low number.
So there's that feeling that Buffalo can win games in different ways.
You know, then you've got that sort of waiting room in the, in the AFC, right?
Like you've got the Colts and the Broncos and the Patriots that are right there from a standings perspective.
can they sustain it?
But the team to me, and I think
J. Mack mentioned this, that
really looks like they're starting to pick up
ahead of steam is the L.A. Rams.
A pretty complete
team, a team with a very good quarterback.
And it's a different looking
team, too, Colin.
This is very much
like Sean McVeigh looking in the mirror
over the last couple of years after he had the trouble
with the Niners and having more
physical training camps and building a more
physical team. And you look at how rugged
they are up front on both sides of the ball.
That offense is really centered more around Kyron Williams than it is Matthew Stafford
at this point.
And Stafford doesn't need to be Superman for them to win games.
Yet he still has Devante Adams and Puka Nakua to throw to.
So this looks like a team that can win a lot of different types of fights,
which is generally what wins in the playoffs.
And they're going to be battle tested too.
The NFC West, and you look like Arizona is not an easy out.
they'll play tonight, right?
And then you have a Seattle team that looks like it might be one of the five or six best
teams in the league and San Francisco is really hanging in there with all the injuries they've had.
The Rams, to me, look like a good team.
It's very complete and it's going to come out of that division battle tested.
I want to close with this.
Cowboys host Arizona.
Kyler Murray could play.
It's now Brissette's job.
It feels like it's come to a conclusion.
And it was a bad year for smaller quarterbacks.
It was Russell Wilson.
Tua, Kyler Murray.
You know, this is such a cyclical league.
There was this whole thing.
Get a guy that can run.
Size doesn't matter.
Now you look up and it's like, you know, it's Josh Allen.
Then it's Herbert and it's a big big guys.
What's the conclusion of Kyler Murray?
Do they move off him?
It feels like Gannon's really not interested long term.
I mean, Brissette is more the class.
Most defensive coaches like a Brissette.
Pocket.
Everything's on script.
I can control it.
Kyler's more elusive and doing his own thing.
What do you make a Kyler-Marie in Arizona's future?
Do you remember all the criticism we all had to doer Sanders, right?
Like coming out, like where when he bails out of the pocket,
he bails out the back of the pocket instead of climbing up in the pocket
and where he could create, like you would see that it would get the offense
kind of discombobulated at times.
I think that's sort of what you're looking at, like on the pro level now,
with Kyler Murray, where they're getting a look at what this looks.
looks like now because of the injury with Jacoby Brissette, who was a very average quarterback,
a great guy, good guy to have in your locker room, all that, but a very average quarterback.
And what are you seeing now?
Marvin Harrison is starting to come alive a little bit.
Trey McBride starting to come alive a little bit.
You're seeing them get more out of the talent they've put into place around the quarterback.
Does it mean you're getting a spectacular play from the quarterback?
No.
But it does kind of bring to life a little bit of what they've built there over the course of
the last two and a half years. And so I certainly think getting a look at what this looks like with
just an average quarterback in there does become part of the evaluation. Now, the trouble is the
contract, right? Like they are locked in with guaranteed money for 2026. They can't get out of that.
So is there a way that you can trade, Kyle and Murray, if you make the decision you want to move
off of them after the year? I think that would be the big picture question. But I certainly think that
that discussion is one that'll be had when the season ends in Arizona,
presuming that they don't catch fire down this stretch with Kyler Murray in there.
Albert Breyer, Monday morning quarterback.
Appreciate you stopping by on late notice, my man.
All right.
Thanks, Colin.
Yeah, keep your eye on the New Orleans Saints receivers and the Buffalo Bills,
among other moves, Breece Hall, maybe New York Jets.
Jets need to flush out a lot beyond Breeze Hall, this is my opinion.
I mean, Donald and Aaron Rogers, reborn.
see what this guy's doing people? You see what he's doing? He's needling me with the Jets.
Trade Breece Hall? Listen, when they draft their franchise quarterback, Colin, whether it's
Mendoza, Tyson, whoever, they're going to need some pieces around them. We're going to look like
Cam Ward with the Titans. Cam Ward's sitting there with nobody to throw to, nobody hand off to,
disaster. Jets are going to be drafted top five, right? Top three. Maybe top two. You need
Bruce Hall to hand off to in Garrett Wilson. Anybody on defense, I think, is fair game.
Bruce Hall and Allen. Braylin Allen, yeah, a little one-two punch, Thunder
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I like Dallas.
Dak is a great quarterback at home.
J-Mack is wincing.
I don't trust anything with Arizona.
How can you trust the Dallas defense?
I mean, this feels like a three-point game.
Brandon Aubrey hits from 54 to win it or some nonsense.
Right?
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All right, let's start with Major League Baseball and the Dodgers.
Game 7 triumph, one of the craziest and best World Series games that I've ever seen.
According to Fox Sports PR, Game 7 was the highest rated World Series game since Game 7 in 2017,
with 25.9 million viewers across all platforms peaking at 31.5 million people, Colin,
to watch Yamamoto close the door on the Blue Jays.
Oh, the Dodgers are apparently bad for baseball.
Can we call this a choke by the Blue Jays?
they led the entire game, or is that just too harsh
for a game seven? Oh, I don't think it's
But I mean, they had in game six
It was a base running error. Yeah.
That's why the Dodgers... They went home up three, two.
And they had a major
snafoo on the bases in game six.
None of the Jay's
fans want to talk about that.
You open the door, you should have won game six.
There are some people complaining
that the guy on third base, when the bases were loaded,
didn't have a big enough lead where he missed it by like
a quarter of a step to play at home, played by
Rojas. It's like, why wasn't he leading off more? But, you know, poor Blue Jays. That's a tough one.
As for bad for baseball, Colin, I don't totally understand that logic. That's just envy. It's not
bad for baseball. I mean, dynasties are great. The Chiefs were great. Dynasty. The Yankees were
great. The Warriors, everybody loves or hates dynasties. They're polarizing, right?
Right now, the NBA is very international and nobody wins a second title. Yeah. Is that, I mean,
this number is over double what the NBA finals will get.
This is probably going to get $28 million.
The NBA's not going to get, I doubt, 15 million in their game six.
If it's Nick's Lakers, we'll see.
It probably won't be.
And also, this was a Saturday night,
which is usually a wasteland for TV.
People are out partying.
It was Halloween night.
Well, you're competing against college football.
Or the night after Halloween, sorry.
I mean, I went to a Halloween party Saturday,
and people were going crazy out here in L.A.
Now you come out. You go on to the parade after this?
I'm not.
You sure?
I don't do parades.
Under any circumstances.
All right.
Sorry, we got to pivot to a negative story,
and that is the Jaden Daniels injury.
I don't know if we're going to show it here on screen.
No, we're not.
The aftermath is just painful.
According to reporters,
it's a dislocated non-throwing elbow.
It sounds like his seat.
season's probably over, but the Washington commanders haven't announced that.
Marcus Marriota gets the start, you know, unless small doses of him is okay, but he's got to start
against the Detroit Lions.
Off a loss.
Lions off a loss.
Deflated Washington.
I saw Latimore also injured.
Sounds like his season's over.
Washington shopping their tackles.
I saw that from a reporter.
I don't know, man.
They're cooked.
It's over.
That's four straight losses.
And I think you just got to start playing for next season, right?
Yeah, I think they went into this season.
They were so shockingly good last year.
You forget they were in the middle of a rebuild.
And they're very, very old roster.
They loaded up on some contracts, right, without paying Jaden.
And old rosters get hurt, and it takes longer recover.
So I think, you know, you got your quarterback, get him healthy, done for the season,
and go ahead on some draft picks.
Easier said than done, but they may finish last in the division.
I don't know where you are. Jackson Dart is looking plucky.
I don't know. Washington could end up with like a top seven pick.
I don't know if they're going to win another game, Colin. Seriously.
Like, it's that bad for Washington.
Final story is, let's go back to your Bears Bengals game of the day.
What a wild, wild game.
Two kind of bad teams playing fun football.
Bears aren't bad. They keep winning game.
What's the over under on trick plays this weekend against the Giants?
Caleb Williams catching two passes.
He was all over the place.
Nicole should love them play.
Unbelievable.
After the game, though, this is what I love.
Chase Brown and Jamar Chase were ticked off about the Bengals defense.
I think we're going to bleep out some of the stuff Chase Brown said.
He was mad.
Yeah, here we go.
We just got to play complimentary football.
We put the ball in the end zone and go up a point at the end, finish the game.
Just end it.
Like, that's it.
Like, that's what we need to do.
Just end the fucking game.
make them, make them get us the ball back, let us go to 22 victory and let's end the game.
In the fourth quarter, you scored two touchdowns in like a minute of game time.
What goes through your mind when you score that second touchdown and take the lead?
Defense get a stop.
I'm going to stay in my lane.
I don't want no defense player coming to chew me out about what the fucking done.
Wow.
A locker room sounds fractured.
Now, remember Friday during headlines?
I said keep an eye on teams that are going into the buy.
that Cincinnati defense looked like they're headed to the buy.
They're celebrating in Cancun right now.
We got the buy week.
Titans didn't do anything at all.
I'm just telling you, these teams that are bad going into the buy now,
we're getting into November.
People starting to plan for the offseason.
This Cincinnati team just screaming like they quit.
I know you've been a defender of Zach Taylor, Colin.
Well, I defend him because I think it's a frugal of cheap ownership group.
Joe Burrow was, I just, I think there's such a difference in ownership
and front offices in the NFL.
And I think Zach Taylor is doing the best he can with limitations.
It's like he's a sales guy and the product's not very good.
And there's a million salespeople in America right now that are trying to sell something
and the quality of the product is crap and they're good salespeople, but you're limited.
So I'm not going to beat up on Zach Taylor because I think it's hard to win here.
So are you bringing in back next year?
Yeah, why not?
Offensive guy.
Burrell likes him.
Somebody on this show has to have patience.
Wow, I can't believe.
Endorsing Zach Taylor.
Bengals fans are ready to run him out of town now.
Now, I was trying to do that two years ago.
Between Mondami and Zach Taylor on the shoes.
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I honestly don't remember.
I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.
This is how you guys remember it going down?
Yes.
I have a very different memory of this.
We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.
And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
But thanks for remembering that, guys.
Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.
Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel
and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you
funnier. This week my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. Help an
a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some
retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert
smiglin friends on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about
defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.
And finding ways to win no matter what.
He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen
before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.
We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.
I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup,
he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.
He has to guard Julius Randall.
And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.
And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.
Steve Nash would get that thing.
That man, hell get to fly.
He run up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball.
Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah.
You figure it out real quick.
Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the bomb.
So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shake my behavior,
and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection.
This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown
and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to you.
to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you
find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is
becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized,
but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land
while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well
with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcast.
Hey, I'm Jared Adano.
You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet.
Help!
Somebody!
Please!
But there's so much more to me than that.
I'm an actor.
I'm a comedian.
And recently, I've become quite the helper myself.
And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people
in need with my...
sage advice and thoughtful solutions.
Sike, I'm a comedian.
I'm not qualified to give good advice.
Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant,
recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man.
If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone,
let it ring twice.
One ring is too scary.
Oh, cream of chicken suit.
Hey, cream.
Cream a chicken suit.
This is help from a hypocrite,
the worst advice from the dumbest people you know.
Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coultera podcast network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Well, they are throwing a World Series Dynasty parade in Los Angeles.
In fact, not only are they throwing the parade today in Los Angeles, but they're already scheduling next years.
They want to be ahead of the curve.
So Dave Roberts, on top of the bus, we have some video for the...
the less fortunate baseball fans to growl over the Los Angeles Dodgers,
back-to-back World Series champs.
Got Rams championships, Lakers championships, back-to-back Dodgers championships.
And now somebody who's been a tad less fortunate with his teams,
Danny Parkins, joining us from New York, co-hosts First Things First.
But here's the good news.
You can count on one hand in the last decade,
the times a Bears fan could say,
I love our offense, and what a mess in Green Bay.
You must love that Cincinnati game.
I'll be honest.
Now I get Ben Johnson's tricks.
Caleb's not being sacked.
They're starting to look like a functional operation, are they not?
They definitely are.
Thank you for that intro.
I think there was a compliment wrapped up in there somewhere.
Literally, Colin,
But in my life, the Bears, when they have allowed 35 or more, they have not won a football game since I turned 22.
October of 2008 was the last time the Bears won a game where they allowed 35 or more.
And that was the first time in the history of their franchise.
They won a game allowing 42 or more.
So quite literally, I've never seen a game like Sunday.
And yes, a huge piece of that is the Bengals defense.
and the Bengals defense without Trey Hendrickson
and the Bengals defense looking like they've quit on the season.
But I don't care.
Caleb Williams was clutch.
Ben Johnson was in his bag.
They were electric.
They were exciting.
And we can zoom out if you want beyond that game.
Caleb Williams is good and he is improving.
And at this point, I think that's undeniable.
Yeah, I mean, I talked to some NFL people yesterday.
And they're like, listen, we still like Ben more than Caleb.
But the one thing I've always defended Caleb on,
high school, college, and pros.
He doesn't throw interceptions.
He just doesn't.
And a lot of great quarterbacks like Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, do.
So now he'll hold the ball.
Some of that, maybe he's so gifted.
He's like, I'm not going to throw it.
I'm going to run it.
Are you satisfied with playing with Instructure?
We both know he's got a ton of horsepower.
But do you see growth?
Undeniably, I think that it would have been nice if Ben Johnson was there for him as a rookie.
But he wasn't.
You know, he had to go through firing Matt Eber Flus and firing Shane Waldron in the whole fiasco of last year.
But they upgraded the offensive line.
They upgraded his weapons.
They upgraded his coach, who happened to also be his play caller.
And he's seeing growth.
You mentioned the sacks.
He has, what, 14 sacks taken in eight weeks?
He took 68 sacks last year.
I don't need to give you anything else beyond that and its improvement.
And all of the plays that he made are not the crazy spin around backwards,
laser arm type of things. Some of them are. He still has that, but it's like a baseball pitcher.
You want to work off of your fastball. For a quarterback, the fastball is playing in structure,
playing in an offense, playing on time. Caleb's getting better at that. And then he has the
ability to do those other things. It's going around social media now. You go watch the All-22
version of that throw to Loveland that ended up being the game-winning touchdown. It looked open
on the TV broadcast. It wasn't. That is a needle throw with three defenders around Colston
Loveland that he throws on the back shoulder intentionally because if he leads him, he's leading
it into a safety.
Like, Caleb's a gamer.
That's his third come from behind drive in the fourth quarter in his last five games.
So is he perfect or a finished product?
Far from it.
But he's really talented and he's getting better week by week.
So I was saying this watching the Chiefs last night.
There is a way to beat Mahomes.
When he's uncomfortable, a couple Super Bowl blowout losses, last night he gets hit 15 times.
Now, Josh Simmons is back in the facility, left tackle.
He'd been out for personal reasons.
That's a big deal.
But my take was, strangely, maybe, I said, you know, Buffalo dominates time of possession, perfect in the red zone, hit Mahomes 15 times.
From beginning to end, the better team.
And Mahomes had the ball going for the tying touchdown.
Like, I'm like, I know Kansas City is five and four.
That's not what the score should have been.
am I being too, am I being too anti-Buffalo?
I think they need another receiver, a defensive lineman.
Like, I'm like, guys, it can't be 28-21.
When I look at the box score, it looks like 35-13.
Listen, McDermott choosing to kick that field goal at the end of the game is so insane and
indefensible.
Like, pooch, punt it down.
What are you doing?
I have no, like, that is an inexplicable decision that made that game feel even more
apparently. Mahomes getting two chances at the end zone at the end is crazy embarrassing for McDermott
and game management. But I don't love the analysis that people seem to have boxed us into where it's
like, well, the bills need to prove they can beat the Chiefs in January. So the Bill's beating
the Chiefs in November means nothing. Then why did I watch? Why do I spend three and a half hours
watching? Because right now if the season ended, the Chiefs would not be in the playoffs. Denver won
again. The Chargers won again. The Chiefs are in third place. Do I think they're better than those
teams? Of course I do. Do I understand why they get the benefit of the doubt? Of course, I give it to them
all the time. They were number one on my top 10 teams list heading into this game. But Buffalo was number
three. Like Buffalo also to me deserved benefit of the doubt from that two-game blip. And if you're
struggling to give credit to Buffalo, give it to their defense. Because coming into that game,
it was the worst rush defense that McDermott had ever had. And even though their past numbers were
pretty good. Drake May carved them up and Lamar Jackson carved them up. There was an expectation that
the Chiefs were going to be able to get whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. They had scored 28 or more
in five straight games, and the Bills held Patrick Mahomes to the worst completion percentage game of his career,
the third worst passer rating game of his career, and held the Chiefs to 21 points. That Bill's defense,
I thought, made the statement of the weekend. So you're a baseball fan and a Cubs fan, and you know the
sport very well. And I've said is that it's not just about money because Steve Cohen has more money than
anybody. If you look at the NFL, the New York teams are terrible. Green Bay is always viable.
And those New York teams have massive game day revenue. It's always been about how do you spend
the money. Plenty of rich people are broke 10 years later. So I look at the Dodgers,
and I look at it and I think Maggie Rojas, the outfielder. I mean, yes, they went and spent on Yoshi.
There's no denying that.
But there is a quality to this team that they have, you know,
your Will Smith and old, you know, Rojas and the center fielder making a catch-in
left as a late replacement.
They do a lot of that stuff.
It's a, I've said before, it's the best run organization in any city I've ever lived in.
They let go of Corey Seeger.
They let go of Trey Turner.
I mean, Corey Seeger is the best, I think he's the best Rangers player.
Trey Turner won the National League crown.
They let Manny Machado walk.
They let Zach Grinky go.
Like they don't sign everybody.
They sign the right guys.
How do you view, I mean, Milwaukee's a great example, lost their manager and GM.
They got better.
Like there is something about culture.
How do you, because Ricketts has money in Chicago, but a smaller game day revenue with the stadium,
how do you view the Dodgers and their money and wealth?
Well, it's a combination of things, right?
Two things can be true.
They have the best local TV deal in sports, so they have the most revenue
in the sport, which is a competitive advantage, that they also take advantage of really well.
Like, Andrew Friedman is arguably, and maybe inarguably now, the best executive in the game.
Like, he could do it with no budget, and then he has the best budget.
The Dodgers are the best of both worlds, to your point.
They develop a great farm system, and they sign the top end talent.
So they're the best organization that happens to have the most resources in all of baseball.
I just thought, you know, baseball is so great at moments.
It's so great at drama.
The 162 can be mundane at times because we struggle to attach any sort of significance to one game.
But these playoffs were great.
And the fact that Yamamoto can have the complete game in game two, have a good game in game six,
and then come back in game seven and do what he did, it's on the short list.
I'd put it right there with Madison Bumgarner in 2014.
Bumgarner threw a 24 innings, one game one game five,
and then had a five-inning save in game seven with a 0.4 ERA.
It's one of the great World Series pitching performances in the history of the sport.
And I don't know how you ever recover from it if you're a Blue Jays fan.
You have the 18- inning game.
You got outfielder's colliding with each other.
You got to play at the plate that you need the Zapruder film to analyze.
You know, Vlad thought you could have thought the ball was gone off the bat.
the double play to end it with game six.
It was just losing game six and game seven at home,
just absolutely sick for Blue Jays fans.
And then the Dodgers,
as the best run organization in the sport,
gets to keep the trophy.
Yeah.
Circling back,
I'm not saying you're tickled by it,
but it is rare when the Bears' offense is fourth in the league
and the Packers are completely lost.
I'm tickled by it.
I said it.
I said it earlier.
They have no identity.
I have no idea what the offense is.
You watched, if you watch the Bears most, you watch the Packer's second.
I can't figure out what they are offensively.
It's hard to create an identity.
They have lost theirs.
What are they?
Yeah, the running game is not what it was last year,
which is a weird thing given Matt LaFleur and how much he wants to run the ball.
Jacobs has just not been as effective this year.
Jordan Love is very, very good, clearly.
And I do find that very annoying.
that Packers fans get to go from Fav to Rogers to Love,
I feel like they deserve 20 years of Mitch Trubisky,
but I'll remove my biases from it.
But Jordan Love still makes inexplicable throws.
Like the interception against Cleveland lost him a game.
It was terrible.
His interception against Cincinnati in the red zone,
took points off the board.
Interception in this spot was bad.
Should have thrown a pick six,
where he rolled left, brought the whole defense left,
thrown it through it right.
I knew Dobbs was out the back of the end zone.
McManus, their kickers,
getting booed at home.
Like, they can't stop the run.
They were the one seat heading into the week,
and I still don't really think they're all that good.
They're good.
They're talented.
They'll probably make the playoffs.
But I think they're just good enough to make a crucial mistake,
the divisional round of the playoffs.
And I just can't get all the way there yet on Jordan Love.
How'd your picks do this weekend?
Colin, aren't we out of time yet?
I went one and two.
It's very frustrating.
I go three and O, then I go one and two,
and then I go two and one.
and then I go, oh, and three.
I just can't seem to get any margin for error between me and 500 this year.
It's very frustrated, but I'm still beating Nick Wright, which is really what matters.
Frankly, we're all happy about that.
That's a company referendum, beat Nick Wright.
Absolutely.
Daddy Park is great seeing you, bud.
Congrats on the Hall of Fame, Colin.
No one more deserving.
Thank you so much, Dan.
I appreciate that.
And I shook a lot of hands, and because of it, I'm sick.
But I'm fine.
We're going to do okay here.
I have been knocking down that turmeric and...
I thought, weren't you pivoting to fist bumps after COVID?
Didn't you start, stop shaking hands and start fist bumping?
My wife predicted it.
She said, you're going to get sick.
She said, you just wiped your nose.
Somebody who shook your hand.
It's whatever.
Who cares?
I'm telling you, you and I last night watching Seattle.
Impressive.
You know, and the other thing, people forget, I watched Arch Manning this weekend.
He was very good.
People, people are like, well, I mean, he wasn't good early.
You have to remember college football seasons now, Jay Mack, or like, can be 14 games.
they're, I mean, it used to be college football is 11 games.
Now it's like 14.
But the thing about Seattle, so they win 10 games last year.
And they decide, yeah, we don't like where we're going.
We don't like the trajectory.
Let's trade our quarterback, right?
They get rid of Geno Smith.
And let's get off D.K. Metcalfe.
And they're better, Colin.
And Tyler Lockett.
So Minnesota won a lot of games last year with Darnold.
And they decided, we're going to change it up.
And it's not going as smooth.
Well, I think these decisions are hard.
I think Seattle like D.K. Matt Caff.
but he had been a bit high maintenance
and also you have to remember,
they had seen JSN the year before.
They get to see practice.
You know, a lot of these organizations,
they get stuff that we don't see.
So you're like, oh, is JSN a one?
Well, John Snyder and his staff
clearly in the offseason said
he was great as a rookie.
He's a one so we can move off him.
So we, as much homework as you and I do,
we're not watching Seahawk practice film.
So Seattle obviously saw JSN
and went, oh, this kid is inches away
if we could get him a more,
a better deep ball thrower
and a better quarterback.
And Donald's better than Gino Smith.
And they're featuring him more this year
as opposed to last year.
So remember in the NBA,
Kentucky guards pop in the NBA.
Ohio state receivers,
Abuca.
I mean, he looks like a nickel number one.
Oh, no, those guys.
And they got two of them this year.
Yeah.
They got to have two other receivers.
You know, that Harrison and Arizona has been a disappointment.
He,
everybody else is over delivered at all.
Ohio State.
All right, we're done for the day.
First things first on a Monday.
A little gloomy for old Nick.
Hey guys, it's us.
The Jonas Brothers.
I'm Joe.
I'm Kevin.
And I'm Nick.
And guess what?
We created our own podcast called,
Hey, Jonas.
We invented a podcast?
Well, we didn't invent it.
We just contributed to it.
We're the first people to do podcasts.
We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.
Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it.
But, you know, tired and sick.
tired and sick.
Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcast.
Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.
Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy,
not quite.
Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends.
Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman
help make you funnier.
This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day
and head writer Streeter Seidel,
help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.
Where does your group perform?
We do some retirement homes.
Those people are starving for banter.
Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.
And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs.
We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season.
And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.
If we didn't talk ever again, I was hungry.
You just understood.
That's how personal it got.
Wow.
Then after that game seven, Mark keep coming to.
He's like, you know I love you, dog.
You know, it's all love.
This was just playoffs.
This was just basketball.
So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents soccer moms.
So I'm Leanne.
Yeah.
This is my best friend, Janet.
Hey.
And we have been joined at the hips since high school.
Absolutely.
A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip.
Just a little bit bigger hips.
This is a podcast.
We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
With all the snacks and drinks.
Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer?
They had a bogo.
Well, then you got them.
Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
This week on Crimless, Rory and I welcome a very special guest.
When I did podcasts, I wear my sleep mask.
I like where this is going.
So if you guys will indulge me.
That's right, the incredibly talented and hilarious Will Ferrell.
On an episode dedicated to crimes committed by.
people named Will Ferrell.
You're good for 300 crimes?
Yeah.
We got two.
I'm ready to go right up to present day.
Listen to Crimless on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
This is an IHart podcast.
Guaranteed Human.
