The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Ohio State HC Ryan Day stops by The Herd

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Colin talks to Ohio State HC Ryan Day about last season, thoughts on Fernando Mendoza, how college football has changed, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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us live here on a Monday. All right, this is a great scene again. This is an exciting time. And we were talking about the NIL and the way to do it is you can't just go pay for stars. You're going to need a guard. You're going to need a number two tight end. It's a delicate balance. You can't also, you don't want to just screw with your culture. The fascinating player with you is Caleb Down. So I watched them last year. And I remember saying on the air, I think I'd make it my number one pick last year. And then this year you had so many players developed, Sunny Stiles, Reese, that I felt like I see Caleb Downs and mock drafts going 12 and I'm like, are you people insane? I just look at him and I think that is a pro bowl player potentially. Tell me what

I don't see about Caleb Downs because I think he's been overshadowed on your defense because you have so many other emerging players. What does he do for the Buckeyes that maybe I don't see? Well, he makes an impact in all phases. So, I mean, when it comes time to play the run, I mean, he is in the box at the line of scrimmage making plays. But then he has the ability because of his ball skills and his change of direction to cover at a high level. And I think to me, you know, what you've recognized is just his impact on the game. But what's harder to see is the impact he has on the guys around him. And I think what makes great players is when they make the guys around them,

him better. He does that. I mean, not only just the way he handles himself, but the communication on the field, getting everybody into the right call, you know, talking to some of the NFL personnel who are here at our pro day last Wednesday, you know, that they shared that. They said that, you know, talking to him, he might have just turned 21 years old, but it was like talking to somebody who'd been in the NFL for a long time. Yeah. The one player of yours who's obviously physically, you know, you're Ohio State. You're not recruiting guys that can't play. What worries me about Arvel Reese a little bit is that he's going into pro football and he doesn't quite have a defined position. I'm not saying he can't learn it, but it would worry me. And Ryan, I talk about this.

I love recruiting. And I have seen so many five-star guys go to programs and they're just freaks. But they're not really great at anything. They're just athletic. And I think the higher levels of football you go, even in college, it's hard to make an impact if you're positionless. is it reasonable to say I love him athletically he's been well coached but I worry about what what is he exactly I does that worry you well for us when you first got here he came from Glenville and you know Ted Ginn and you know they they know how to prepare guys to come in here and work and so when he first got here he came in as a linebacker but but spent about a month and a half at defensive end and then transition back to

linebacker and because of his mindset, you know, he was able to use both of those skills in this past year. I think he can do both. I think that's what people are excited about is the versatility. But the thing that that's amazing to me is Arvelle is still 20 years old. He's got so much football ahead of him. And his length, his power, and just the way he plays to me is going to translate well. I think the thing, to your point is, you know, where does somebody draft them? What scheme do they want to use them for? And then he will quickly learn what that is. And he has the skill set to be able to do it at a high level. And he's only going to get better. This is a young player. He can run and hit. He has great lengths. And he certainly can play in the past game.

So there's a lot of good receivers every draft. I think this draft has one wide receiver that's a one in the NFL. And that's Cornell Tate. I think there's a lot of good guys. Laminate USC is highly productive. You know, there's the kid at Arizona State. There's a lot of good receivers every year. It's a, it, this game's never been more skilled. You guys have become literally wide receiver you in the country. And you have, I mean, it's, um, J.S.N has a style.

Harrison's different than a book. I mean, it's just all shapes, sizes, styles. What is Carnell Tate to you? What is the one thing in the receiver room that Carnell did maybe better than anybody else you had at Ohio State? Yeah, I think when you're trying to pair him. He's sort of a combination to me of Garrett Wilson and Chris Olavé and a little bit of James Williams in there. He's got the length. He's a really good route runner, strong hands. You see

him play physical during his career here and another guy that's coming out in three years. So again, a lot of football ahead of him knows how to track a ball, very intelligent, really good football IQ. I think you can see that when he runs his routes. You know, he, knows how to set a guy up, he can create separation, and then he can play on contact. And I think the way he runs his routes downfield, you're going to see the way that the NFL game is played where, you know, after five yards, there's no contact. You know, because of the clean route running that he's shown, it's going to translate. And he'll be a number one wide receiver at any team he walks into.

People are reticent to draft linebackers too early. But you had Matt Patricia, Sonny Stiles. Matt's one of the smartest defensive minds in football, college or pro. Is there a comp for Sunny Stiles at the next level? Like, what did Matt make of him? Yeah, no, Matt loved working with him. For me, you know, I was at Boston College with Luke Keeckley and then coached against him when he was with the Panthers.

And that's obviously, you know, a great comp in terms of, you know, what Luke did as a player. But I think what they have in common is Sunny started safety. You know, Luke played safety when he was at Sanchez. X when we were recruiting him at Boston College. And so he started up high and then came down to the line of scrimmage. And I think that sonny's that same way. He was an excellent basketball player coming out of high school.

Another young guy, he reclassified, so he didn't play a senior year of high school and played safety. You don't really honor his career here, but then found himself playing a linebacker position. And so because of that, he understands how it all fits back there, just like Luke did. And we can diagnose plays fast. And he has the length and anticipation of play fast. So you played against Fernando Mendoza. I don't know if we'll ever see a 16-0 team again.

It was magical. They won multiple games late. They could have lost four times. And I said, I love Kurt Signetti, but Mendoza's making throws against you and Iowa and Oregon and Miami that most college guys can't make. He's making them on fourth down, back shoulder stuff. What jumped off on tape when you first saw Mendoza, you put the film in for the first time? We all watch the games. Ryan, when you watch the tape, what as a coach you looked at and went,

oh, that's different than even good college quarterbacks? Well, you know, somebody as good as he is, I mean, there's multiple things. The first thing you look at is he's got tremendous size. I mean, he's a big guy when he stands in there. When you saw some of the big runs he had, you know, people don't really talk about some of those runs, but those were big and he stands in the pocket. I thought, to your point, he made a lot of clutch throws, whether it was third down throws, plays at the end of the game,

red zone throws, the accuracy, throwing in contested windows. What was all like really impressive. And then obviously played clutch and then was consistent throughout the entire season. You know, he seems like a guy that that has a lot of intelligence and command because, you know, obviously once you get into the NFL, it's important, you know, the amount of information that you can process at a high level to be successful, you know, where where those guys are nowadays. So I think when you combine all that together, you know, I think that's what you recognize when you watch his film. Another guy you saw is Ruben Bain, Miami. They talk about arm length. What do you make of that discussion? I guess there's something to it, obviously, or they wouldn't measure it. What do you make of that? Yeah, well, I think you look at everything. Anytime we're evaluating, whether it's, you know, somebody who's in high school or maybe in the transfer portal, you look at somebody who's in college, I think you want to look at everything.

Because what you're trying to do is you're trying to project out what they're going to look like at the next level. that being said you know for me you know the number one thing is production competitiveness uh toughness you know how they play i mean put the film on and watch it again everything matters but nothing's more important than production and competitiveness all right ryan dale ohio state you know these days guys like you are recruiting it feels like money as much as players because of the nil um it's a big turnoff for some you're obviously in a catbird seat it arguably i mean i would say right now ohio state it's the best football program in America.

You would think the money's just, you know, it's like a bank. Everybody just wants to be a Buckeye and sign up. Is it kind of exhausting sometimes the new world for you of college football? Well, we all have to adapt. And if we don't adapt, we die. But that's just how it works. I was telling somebody that day, I had a chance on a flight to watch that Netflix documentary on dinosaurs.

And the dinosaurs that didn't adapt, they all died off. So we all got to figure it out because if we don't, we're going to die. So anyone who wants to throw up their hands and walk away, that's not going to work. So we've got to solve the problem. That's the bottom line. I think the thing that as coaches, we're just struggling with overall is just still trying to figure out how it all works. We know how the revenue share works, but certainly how these marketing deals work, you know, the things that are being, you know, whether approved or denied through NIL go is frustrating at the very least.

But we're going to figure it out. And it all goes back to the type of people in the relationships. That's not going to change. That's always been the same when it comes to recruiting. Well, respect the heck out of you. You've built a powerhouse. You're at the top of the sport right now. In the first round, you're going to hear from Ohio State over and over and over. Ryan, I hope you have a nice spring. You get time with the family because I know once the season starts, the grind begins in earnest. It's great seeing you. Yeah, great to see you, Colin. Much respect. Thanks.

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from down 19, one of the biggest in NCAA tournament history. They will be in the final four against Illinois from the Big Ten. Illinois, some people, some jabronis online are saying, oh, Illinois had such an easy path because they didn't have to face the six-seat North Carolina or they didn't have to face the one in Florida. Whatever. And then, of course, you got Michigan, Arizona. By the way, quick note on that game, Colin.

So the Bible for college basketball analytics is Ken Pomeroy's website. In his database, going back about 29 years, Michigan versus Arizona is one of the three best matchups we've ever seen. Wow. Because these teams are so good and strong defensively, offensively, killing opponents. So this is really the game of the century, if you will, in college basketball. Yeah, I mean, I think, first of all, Illinois beat Houston. Handily. That dominated them in Houston.

Yeah, I mean, to me, I would say Iowa over Florida was easily the biggest upset, but the way Illinois beat Houston and Houston could be number two. I thought Houston would win that game at home. Illinois also, their pace, they're going to give teams trouble. This is not a smart move by me, but I think I like Michigan and Illinois in the Natty. I really do. I agree. Now, here's the other thing.

Big 10 starting to dominate college football. Big 10 could have two teams in a national championship. Colin, I mean, I, listen, I'm not tuning our own horn here, but this show was early on how NIL has totally transformed college sports, and the Big 10 is dominating. It's early, but they're dominating college basketball and college football. Yeah, they are. You're right. All right, let's move on to the NFL.

Listen, you know Atlanta Falcons are a fun team of mine. Kevin Stefanski's a new coach. They've got Tua Tungovaloa now at quarterback. But at the league NFL meetings, Stefansky, you know, Michael Penix is also in Atlanta, and we don't know who the starter is. Here's Stefanski talking about adding Tua saying,

there's something to be said when you're fired. I can attest to that. You want to prove people wrong. So Stifansky gets run out of Cleveland, Tua gets run out of Miami, and they're now joining forces in Atlanta. I think, I think, I don't know why. this interests me so much, but I think it's really smart to have panics and Tua, a comp for each other

in the building. Like between the two of them, on that fast track, with Stefansky, winnable division, and nice weapons. Just say it out loud. Above average O line. Number one wide receiver, maybe the best back in the league, smart offensive two-time coach of the year, fast track, good home field edge winnable division I have a weird feeling you know me I basically the Atlanta Falcons for me

are like an ATM machine I just I just lose money there's no winning with me but there is Stefanski Tua and again Tua in the AFC in a tough division

that has Buffalo and the Jets in New England cold weather I don't like Tua playing road games in Tampa, Carolina, and a dome in New Orleans with panics? That's interesting to me. Yeah, I like that. So our sandbagging staff came up with this interesting graphic. Highest percentage of giveaways per drive in the last two seasons, Colin.

Number one is Tua, giving the ball away. Number two is my guy, Brock Purdy. Number three is your guy, Sam Darnold. I didn't know what to make of this. I was drilling down a little bit. I don't know, I'll let you go first. Giveaways per drive. Tua's the worst, but Purdy and Darnold are also there,

followed by Trevor Lawrence and then Bryce Young and Juno's. Well, I think all of these guys, you know, Sam's a risk taker. So is Trevor Lawrence. Trevor used to have a fumble issue. Those, I would have thought Gino would be number one. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I don't look at Tua. My concerns with Tua are size and injuries not turn. That's not what I think.

Brock Purdy, I worry about injuries. I don't worry about Brock Purdy's picks. I think he's a, one of the things I like about Brock Purdy a lot is unlike Garoppolo, Purdy will throw the ball down the field. Like he is a gunslinger and like you can knock like Tua and Purdy, my issues are not turnovers. Darnold, you know, and he had a great playoff run. But Darnold and Lawrence, I do think about turnovers because, again, their first round

talent, they're big strong guys, and they throw the ball into traffic. Bryce Young, we don't know if he's a long-term fit. And Gino's just, you know, he's old. All right, final topic, and this is soccer. Now, I know you were glued to the TV Saturday. I was too. US takes a 1-0 lead over Belgium. Everybody's like, oh, okay, we're here.

Here we go. Belgium proceeded to score the next five goals, Colin. I was irate watching this. The text chains I'm on were like, what the hell's wrong with our defense? We got one back, but losing five. I know the Jersey story is kind of thankfully overtaking us. I mean, look at this movie. That was a filthy goal.

Do we need to readjust expectations? Again, it's just one game. But man, we didn't. Our defense just get shredded, Connolly. This is bad. Yeah, I don't know what to make of it. The Pulisic vibe, if he's healthy, I think we're okay. I mean, I really think it comes down to this.

If Pulisic is healthy and engaged, I think we're going to get out of the group stage, pretty winnable group stage, and I think we'll be viable. But the defense, though, I mean, five goals, Colin. I'm not going to call guys out here. Listen, I don't want to get in trouble. But, like, there was some real embarrassing effort, like, not even trying to, and you could see the goalie yelling. What are we doing?

He was ticked off at his guys. We're seeing wholesale subs at the back. You can't give up five goals in an exhibition four months before, three or four months before the World Cup column. Like, not acceptable. This was one of these eye-opiners. I've been talking, I think, I think quarterfinals are like the floor. I'm not ruling anything out.

And I see you looking at me like I'm crazy. I do think this is a potential great run for us, but I need to see more from the defense. I mean, this is bad. It was bad. And go ahead. Do you have something to say about the jerseys? The kits, as the soccer fellas like to call them?

It was just, like amateur hour. It was ridiculous. It looked like a fun fed. cake mix. I mean, come on. Yeah, that was really bad. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd Lie News. Man, there was, it's college basketball has had 6 and 0, the Big Ten against the SEC. And, you know, it's funny when I hear like SEC fans, boy, we've got to correct this. And it's like,

Guys, everybody knows what was going on for years. Like it was Mississippi got caught, but there were stories with LSU and Auburn and, you know, people all saving around a clean program. You know, there was a lot of nonsense happening in the SEC, and now everybody gets paid. And there's just a lot more money in Big Ten schools. They're bigger. The jobs aren't available as much in the Midwest outside of Chicago. So the kids from the Big Ten, they head to the coast, they head to Miami, Dallas, they go make money, and they love their sports, and they give back.

And there's some billionaires in the Big Ten that are, I think it would be, I love the NIL. I think it's a little wild, wild west. And I was talking to somebody yesterday that asked me about it, and I said, anytime you have a new, I mean, when Uber came and got rid of taxis, lawsuits everywhere, it was a little rough the behavior of drivers. I mean, there's just, anytime you introduce something to a market, and it's radically different than what we previously had,

it's going to be choppy and ugly. I think the NFL has a salary cap. I think you have to have a salary cap in the NIL. Let's say it's the most you can spend is $24 million. Which, by the way, that means you, it's just like somebody who makes $100,000 compared to $500,000. You've got to be smarter with your money. You can't stack rosters.

Basketball, let's say the top you can spend is 11. In football, the top you can spend is 24, 25, something like. You mean, you can play with the numbers. I don't like the idea of, you know, some schools spend 40. That feels too close to professional. But I will say you go watch that Miami-Indiana football game. That was as smartly, well-played, well-coached. It felt like 35% NFL, and I was good with it.

And you're watching, you know, Illinois spend money overseas, their coaches on tomorrow, Michigan. You watch these basketball teams right now. There are four and five NBA guys, and it's just easy to watch. The ratings that are being produced are an illustration of Americans usually know what quality is. and when you put quality on, they watch in large numbers. And college basketball, the last two to three years with NIAL, up, up, up.

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Illinois went out and bought Wednesday. wings and bigs in Europe, along with a fascinating story, a 6-6 guard from Kansas, Keaton Wogler, and he's a match-up problem. So Illinois, number one offense in the country, very intentional. They can beat you up with size. They've got their kind of version of a guard that, you know, 6-6 college guard is a problem. So, you know, they just come down, run their sets, and they're a match-up problem at guard, wing, and center, and they're going to take on Yukon with their intensity and experience and physicality

and confidence. So you're going to have, those are great matchups. I think I like, I think I like, I just think there's more offense. I feel like Yukon is a score shy of beating Illinois. And then you have the front court of Michigan, and they're passing, which is insane, and the best defensive player, Mara, taken on Arizona, which has all sorts of depth. They got NBA guys off the bench. Great guard play. But the story yesterday is how effortless Michigan's offense makes it look. And the fight in intensity with Yukon, you know, I mean, it's right now, their men's and women's programs are the best, and it's in Stores, Connecticut, Ryan Rosillo, who spent some time there on Hurley and the Yukon comeback. They came out in the half, and they're like, hey, maybe if we

just play tougher defense, they played with such defensive intensity, because they still never made any shots until the last couple threes, they were still abysmal from three-point range. You heard Hurley say, hey, the momentum is changed. The momentum is changed. I was kind of like, I don't really know that it's changed. We're just in the second half, and that was four minutes into the second half. So whatever it is, as crazy as he can be on the sideline, I think part of that crazy, that good crazy, is being so delusional in getting every single kid to believe you. You know, and so much, like, for instance, Illinois is a fascinating story.

So when you're recruiting, you know, domestic kids, there's some sleepers. The Keaton Wogler is a sleeper. He was the 261st ranked high school player out of Kansas. and didn't go apparently into the big AAU tournament. He was loyal to his coach. And so he got overlooked. He was only offered two scholarships, Minnesota and Illinois. And then he got into campus.

I was reading this in the athletic yesterday. He got into campus. He was like a two, three star guy. And everybody at Illinois is like, oh, we may have just found the best sleeper in the country. So he's a big matchup problem. He's just one of those, you know, when you get 18, 19-year-old kids, they just grow by leaps and bounds every six months. and Illinois with that, you know, wing size, European guys,

but European guys are tougher to recruit because it's complex. And, you know, there's a lot of people trying to sell you on players and maybe don't know the leagues as well. You know, everybody knows the top AAU programs. You have better connections domestically, perhaps. So what Illinois has done is they're just a matchup problem. And, you know, number one offense in the country, playing in the Big Ten. Think about that.

So Illinois has got the number one offense in the country, playing in the best conference against the best coaching, and Michigan had the best defensive player, arguably, in the country. So what they're doing is super impressive, and there's a lot of ways to score. I had said earlier Pace. Illinois is more intentional than Pace. They're not up and down the floor.

They come down, they run their sets, and they create match-up issues. And, you know, Michigan does it with passing, three-point shooting, You have to collapse on their bigs and then they just kick it out and move it. So, I mean, Brad Underwood, Illinois is on the show tomorrow. I'm fascinated by their European recruiting. And do we have the play-by-play from the Yukon radio crew? You were just, what you watch, you don't see this a lot in pro football because you're dealing with older athletes.

But at the college level, you can see players get tight. You can see programs, players melt. And it felt a little bit like, you know, Dukes was a little lost, and they got tight, and they got sloppy with turnovers. And here's the call by Yukon play-by-play. Sarr gets it into Cam Booser. Boozer back to Saar. Now ahead to Caden Boozer, and Yukon got a steal. Caravan for Mullins, form three.

He did it. Oh, he got it. He hit. He hit. the long three-pointer from the logo with three-tenths of a second left to go. I don't believe it. You've got us taken the lead. A 15-point deficit at half, and they came roaring back.

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