The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - P. J. Carlesimo stops by The Herd

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

Colin talks to former head coach P. J. Carlesimo about the quality of college basketball improving, the tanking problems in the NBA, the play style of the modern NBA, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, he was such a great college coach at Wagner and Seton Hall. he got a head coaching job in the NBA. Now he's broadcasting. He was doing tournament games. He does NBA broadcasting. He was doing March Madness. And if you listen to my show, you know I've been saying this over the last three years. NIL may drive everybody crazy.

But the NBA draft now, first of all, American colleges are buying all these European guys. So they've fortified college. And now the college guys, even the good ones like Yaxel, Lenniborg, he's going to stay in college an extra year. Zach Eadie. the quality of college basketball over the last three years, it is a different sport. I mean, that Yukon, Michigan game, that was a rock fight. That was as physical a college game as I've seen. So I grew up loving college basketball.

UNLV, I covered them, the rebels. And then I got kind of tired of it with a one-and-done culture. You know, you'd go watch a game and you didn't know who any of the guys were. Now it's back to really fortified rosters. And PJ Carlissimo is joining us. There's so many fascinating basketball issues going on. I'm going to start with the NBA. So I've made the argument.

Good to see again, PJ. We haven't used to cover you in Portland. Good see you. Great to be with you, Colin. Appreciate it. I think one of the reasons tanking has exploded this year is because the draft is so good, is that there are about three transformative players and another 10 that will come in. They may not be Cooper flag, but could there be a con-conyple or two or three,

or a Dylan Harper. And so my take is there wasn't a lot of tanking in the Anthony Bennett ear. There's tanking now because we got a new CBA that really limits acquisitions and trades. And so if you're not good and this draft is staring you in the face like Utah and Indiana, well, I'll take the fine. There's too many good players. So in a weird way, I think college basketball's girth and talent and improvement has kind of created the tanking. I don't think it's a 10-year issue.

I think this last year and this year it's an issue because it's been two great drafts. Am I nuts on this? No, you're not nuts. The draft has been unbelievable. I think what's also happening on the teams with the NIL and, you know, frankly, it's not recruiting anymore. You're buying players.

Yeah. They're all hanging up with the same places. So you got these bomb squads with, you know, everybody said, like, how does Michigan win a national championship with five transfers? because guys are going to the better programs. And unfortunately, if you're a fan of Cinderella's, it's gotten a lot tougher to get there. I mean, you got teams, I still talk.

When I talk to I used to dinosaurs like me that are still coaching, how do you coach in an 18-team league? The Big 10, the Big 12, the ACC, the Southeast Conference, they got 16 or 18 teams. That's where the players want to go. Those are the programs that have big money. And that's all it comes down to right now. You get an occasional player that doesn't want to leave somewhere he is

or will go somewhere else for a little lesser because he feels he can play right away. But for the most part, they all want to go to the big schools. So these teams are loaded. You have these super teams. It used to be Colin, anytime I went into a gym for a college practice or a college shoot-around, the first thing that would strike me would be the size of the players. You know, you'd say, I know I'm in a college arena. not even close to NBA.

Now, you look at Arizona, Michigan, Illinois, to a lesser extent, not Connecticut, surprisingly. It feels like you're in an NBA practice. I mean, there's all these guys, and it's not just that they're long. They're not, you know, a DiMorris. They're big, strong guys like Lindenborg, like Morris Johnson. They're incredible. So the players are in one place. They're playing against each other.

These leagues are super leagues. it's so difficult for somebody to win three games to get to the elite eight. It's hard enough to get to the round of 16, much less to get to the elite eight. You have what we had last year with four number ones. We didn't have four ones this year, but it was still a loaded final four. And you know, you called it right. The defense was incredible. The physicality, it's really hard to officiate these games.

Oh, brutal. You know, it's interesting. I was talking about this year or day. it used to be I used to think vertical jump and explosiveness mattered like obviously with Michael but what you're finding in basketball now

SGA is not that explosive Luca Yokic people talk about Yaks Leidenberg and they say well he's not explosive and my take is no what he is is the modern NBA big moves well

great little his jumper's gotten way better and I'm like guys I don't care about vertical jump I like a little twitchiness. The new game is scheme, speed, IQ, quick cognitive ability, and hit jumpers, is it not?

It is, and it's also getting point to point. You know, you watch Luke and you watch LeBron for years. They can get from point A to point B with a guy on their hip. They move guys out. Yokech has been doing that for years. Now, yeah, you love it when you have a guy who's lightning quick on top of that too. SGA's not lightning quick. He's quicker than most.

but he's not beating people with like sheer speed. He just, you know, he's got that herky jerky. He's really good with the ball. He goes left so well, and he's got the middle game. Everybody says, you know, the actual concern for a lot of people is, okay, he's old. They say he's too old. The fact that he shoots it as well as he shoots it, passes it, he's a complete player. He defends, he led the team in steals.

He's a very good passer over three assists a game. And he had these same numbers at UAB. a lot of people said, well, he's not going to do that in the Big Ten. You know, he said, yeah, he was good at UAB. He's going to struggle at Michigan. Well, obviously he didn't struggle. He was the best player in the Big Ten. Yaxel, to me, is instant help.

Is he going to be the best player on the team? No. But he's somebody you can probably plug into a roster right away, and he's not going to hurt you. Whether he starts or whether he comes off the bench, you know what you're going to get from him, and he's got a complete game. He shoots it.

He's 38% from three. He was over like 82 or 83 from the free throw line. He's really a skilled player. And Colin, he's so big. Him and Moresh, forget about how long a daimari is. Those two guys are like brutes. Arizona guys are the same thing. They bring a walk off the bench to go with Colom Pete, to go with Mo Creeves.

The amount of big quality guys, strong, physical guys, who I think will fit in very well. Now, again, when you start talking about AJ, you know, when you start talking about BYU or Kansas, okay, you're talking maybe generational talent, obviously questions with what's going out in Kansas. It's been a situation. I want to talk about that. So you're a rare coach. You were on a dream team. A college when the Big East was, I mean, it was like there was no other conference.

ACC was close, but not that. You coach had success in the NBA. you've been an assistant on a dynasty, San Antonio. You've had all these layers of coaching. And I said, Darren Peterson, first of all, I feel this way about college football.

If you get dinged up and have durability issues at the college level, well, people don't understand how physical the NBA is. You do. I mean, I covered a series with Shaq and Subbonus. It was like offensive tackle, defensive tackle.

Exactly. It's brutal. And then beyond the, the durability issue, he plays in a silo, a little like Kauai Errinus Crick. No assists. He kind of plays in a silo. Don't love it. The other thing is he admitted, he admitted, let's kind of get into my head. I'm like, okay, we've got a Ben Simmons thing. I couldn't take him number one. I honestly, I said this last week. I said, I'd rather have the number two pick in the draft. Highlight, the number one scares me. Would you struggle with Darren Peterson? Durability, plays in a silo.

doesn't necessarily elevate others, acknowledge it got into his head. That worries me. It would concern me. I will say this. We had him the first week. We happened to be in San Diego, which was a great region.

We had him. We had St. Johns. We had Villanova. We had Arizona. He can get point to point and make shots. That's what really impressed me in San Diego. I didn't realize how good he was at creating his own shot. Like he can use the quickness and the athleticism.

He's also a little bigger than I thought he was. A guy who can get his own shot and make it. Like he, I actually liked him a lot more seeing him there and now he played. I also know, and Bill Self, of course, is the ultimate professional. So he's not going to kill him. But it was a tough year for Bill Self in Kansas for their players, not knowing, is he playing today? Is he not playing? I mean, when a guy is as good as he is and you don't know whether he's going to be there,

it's a concern. There's no question about that. You mentioned Ben Simmons. There's been other guys. Look at AD. You know, like it's kind of hard to hit your wagon to somebody who's got a history. Now, his history is not quite as long, but it would really concern you what's gone on in Lawrence, Kansas. You know, I said this.

Cooper Flagg and Connoffle have shocked people how good they are. but if you go to their last college game, they played a Houston team with two seniors, two juniors, a sophomore, no freshman played a minute. And my thing about college basketball now, not only are the Euros who always play against older players coming to the states and then our college guys staying longer, even the one and done guys like Cooper Flagg, they're facing 35 games against older college rosters. So part of Cooper Flag's emergence to me is

well, that Houston team, that was his last college game. So I mean like I'm I'm a little shocked Cooper Flagg's left hand is this good and that he didn't appear to have a weakness. Are you shocked? His teenage numbers

are beating Jordan. Are you shocked at how good he is? I'm not Colin only because I sat there in Las Vegas. They put him on the select team. the young guys that practiced against the Olympic team last year before, two years ago, before they went to Paris, if you saw any of those practices and any of the guys on the big team would tell you, they knew from the first practice, this guy's NBA ready right now,

he wasn't backing down, he was taking it at people, he was showing the versatility to his game, you know, passing the ball, pulling up, making shots. But the physicality was there. ability he has to put the ball on the floor. He's not playing for a good team. The big difference between he and Khan, Khan's role with Charlotte was more conducive than what I thought than what Cooper had to do in Dallas. And yet at the same time, he's generational, Colin, and even I could figure it out. If you watch one practice in Vegas, him against the Olympic team, and this was before he went to Duke, this was the summer before his freshman year at Duke.

He hadn't even gotten to Duke yet and dominated college basketball for a year. But he was dominating these workouts. He was the best player on the select team, and he played better than some of the guys on the Olympic team. People are just sitting there shaking their head. I walked over to John Shire. I was kind of laughing. I said, John, you think he can help you a little bit?

He was unbelievable how good he was. And it was very obvious then that he is that special and will be that special. And that gets to your point before. teams tank. I talked to owners. Like I was saying like, you know, is it worth it? They're saying you can't find us enough money to not make it worthwhile to get a guy like poker flag. That's generational. That's one thing if you're a pretty good team, you know, and you can't get yourself to that and you have a good roster that's going to be there. When you're nowhere near competitive and you've got a chance to get somebody like him, find me all you want. It's worth

it. If somehow I get him, it's worth it. And I don't know who the next Cooper flag is. This draft this year is really impressive, but I like them all. But I haven't seen another Cooper flag. Wow. Okay, I want to end it with this. The, you know Arvita Subbonis. And I said at the time from Lithuania, I remember covering him and saying he may not have the power of Shaq.

He may not have the sky hook. I thought on those Blazer teams, I thought he was the best passer. And he was also on top of the arc, nobody was shooting, he wasn't shooting corners. On top of the arc, he may have been the best shooter, better than Pippet or Bonzi. I feel like Yokic is

sub bonus plus 25%. If sub bonus in his prime, that's what I see with Yokic. What do you see? I agree. The only thing that we didn't see, I saw him a little bit. Arvetus when he was younger, Colin.

I'm talking 10 years before he came to Portland. He was incredibly athletic. If you saw that, Sabonis, you'd just shake your head and go, I can't believe it. I loved coaching him. He was delightful, and he was a hell of a player. Nicola Yokic is underrated because he makes it look easy. He impacts a game more than anybody I've ever seen on both ends. Is he a great defender?

No, he's not a great defender. But he takes up space and he's a pain in the neck. down in there in the paint. But everything else he does on the floor, especially in the last six minutes of a game when a game's going to be decided, he makes it look too easy. He really does.

He's one of those guys. I would pay money every single day to watch him play because you're going to see some things that nobody at his size ever did. The players talk about him that way. You hear Shaq when he's on TV talking about him, him and Charles just shake their head like it'll go back. to them at halftime and they just go like this they go wow i'm glad we're not playing against this

guy because he just mess he messes with people uh he's unbelievable i think he's super special he's a delightful person but i mean he is clearly uh a talent like we have very very rarely seen if ever all right p j carlissimo see you on the broadcast it's a pleasure to see again congrats on your life you look healthy i know you're you love traveling and you love your you love your Italian food, if I recall, and you love travel. It's great to see you. Great to seeing you. You too, Colin.

Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. You bet. PJ Carlissima, who has really lived a basketball life, dream teams, assistant spurs, head coach, college coach, and now broadcaster. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Colin, the Dallas Cowboys OTA start a little over a week. And George Pickens is going to be talked about heavily. And to his dismay, obviously he was franchise tagged. But Cowboy legend Emmett Smith is trying to make sure he stays in Dallas. He said that you're not going to go to too many places that's going to be like the Cowboys.

You can go to Florida somewhere, but down in Florida, who is going to throw you the football? To me, he's coming off a big year statistically. 93 catches, almost 1,500 yards. Second half of the season got a little weird. Remember that Lions game on Thursday night? Yeah. You know, Jerry, these contracts following a pattern, right? He waits, and then he kind of overpays.

He's clearly, which some people just don't like each other for whatever reason in business. Him and Mugeta, they butt heads. And Jerry Mugeta usually gets what he wants. I think Jerry has really pushed back against that. And I think that's a heavy story for, you know, I grew up on Tom Condon. That's Mugeta's kind of that guy right now in the NFL. And Jerry just doesn't feel like playing that game, it feels like. Yeah, my take is I don't want to pay two wide receivers.

And I think C.D. Lam's an absolute number one. He's always been better than I thought he would be out of college. He's terrific. Pickens, again, man, I'm gun-shy. If a wide receiver shows moody or dramatic character, glimpses of it, I'm like, get me out of here. Like, I love A.J. Brown's talent. I'd be like, I'm done. With Pickens, I've just got too many examples of kind of getting moody. I mean, listen, John Snyder's is good a GM as the league has.

He moved out D.K. Metcalf. Well, D.K. Metcalf is maybe the strongest pound-for-pound player in the league, certainly a wide receiver. So my take on, and the other thing is, Well, there's not a lot of places like Dallas. That used to be the case. There are a lot of organizations that are better run than Dallas. I mean, they have no state tax. It's football crazy.

You can get a big home for not that much. Like, I get that. But the idea that Dallas is the ultimate destination, look who their last three or four coaches are. Are the top coaches in the league? I mean, was Harbaugh banging the drum or were able to get the job there? I don't think that's the case. Sean Payton, much happier going to Denver right now in his situation

than Dallas. I don't think the brand is what it used to be. I don't even think right now they're America's team. I'd rather watch the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen, frankly. Well, I'd agree there. I think they're going to be pretty good this year. I've said that this week. The one thing that could throw that a little off-kilter is this big personality, you know, Brian Shodd and I'm or George Pickens, not happy with his contract. I will support Jerry, though, because George Pickens, a wide receiver like that would cost $25 to $30 million. But typically, If you're given a contract extension, you have to guarantee probably three plus years. They're just going one year, $27 million.

We'll see how it goes. We can always move off. So they're not tying themselves. Sticking with the NFL. We talked about some coaches that could be on the hot seat yesterday. I mean, one guy, Zach Taylor, pretty polarizing. An NFL exec saying, speaking about Taylor, said that he has one year to figure it out, meaning this year. Obviously, there comes pressure with Joe Burrow, who, in the last 100 games,

Ames, Colin, has missed 23. That's almost a quarter of them. And we saw last year he disappears. You're in major trouble, especially when you've invested that much. The Bengals, when he's on the field, are really good. When he's off the field, they're well under 500. So is Zach Taylor? I personally think if the defense is just solid and you tell me Burrow plays 15 plus games,

they're my pick. They're my pick to win the division. Yeah, I've never, J-Mack has disdain. I think Zach's fine. I think there's a cream of the crop at the top. I've never, Burrell likes him, I've never been anti-Zack Taylor. The Cincinnati's cheap, I think, I mean, I was joking with somebody in the league who said the other day, he said he thinks they'll draft Caleb Downs because they can save on airfare. He's like, I mean, that's literally what Cincinnati feels like.

So I think they're going to be a potential playoff team too. I don't think it's a Zach Taylor issue. I always feel bad when everybody bangs on Matt LaFluer right now or Mike McCarthy in Green Bay, but they don't get free agents. That's a little bit of a missing leg in the bar stool. So I think Zach's fine. I don't think he's in that upper crust, but I think he's more than capable. The Cowboys and the Bengals are discussed way differently.

Obviously, Jerry, the big brand, the money. There's some similarities, though, because both owners are very heavily involved in player acquisition. And like you said, you know, Zach Taylor gets a bad rap. He's not the one that let all those guys walk over a couple of year period. That's Mike Brown, who kind of plays pseudo-GM owner. Another team who got rid of a lot of people, the dolphins. Obviously, they're eating a lot of dead money on a lot of players. One of their big moves, I mean, really, their big move this offseason was signing Malik Willis.

Someone halfway is very familiar with. And he talked about the expectations for his quarterback in Miami. I had a great conversation with him yesterday he came in office. I said, don't change who you are. I said don't put any extra pressure on yourself. You've earned the right to be here and have this opportunity, and you've done that by doing all the things the right way. Don't change that.

Don't press. Just be you. And I want to make sure that he understands that. It doesn't have to be perfect. There's going to be mistakes made, but I'd want him to play with that confidence. and I want him to play the way he's always done it. Yeah, I think he's going to be better than people think.

Now, they don't have any talent. They have a good running back. I mean, honestly, they could use literally a player in every unit. Now, the good news is they have a first, a first, a second, and four thirds. They could find seven starters in this draft. If they draft well, and they bring over the GM from Green Bay, a team that drafts and develop Wells. They could get seven starters in the draft.

And I mean, they have guys, I'm talking wide receiver, tight end, offensive tackle, center, edge rush, chop robinson, one side, the other side. They have so many openings. If they have a good draft, they could set the culture going forward.

And he's a culture guy, right? High character, impressive. Isn't that part of his value that he gives them a couple year window to just be solid? You know, they're probably not going to be drafting one overall, but if they draft well over the next couple of years and kind of redo this cap, he can get the train back on the tracks for an organization, let's face it, has kind of been rudderless post-Dan Marino. They really have. They've struggled.

Post-Dam-Marino. Yeah, I mean, and again, I don't think the ownership in Stephen Ross, I don't think he's necessarily impatient. I mean, he didn't just run Mike McDaniels out. He let him coach the rest of the year. Miami has to become a little bit, I mean, first of all, they can't afford anybody now because of Tua's contract for about a year, year and a half. But they have so many draft picks. If they draft well, you know how it works in this league. The cap goes up.

And all of a sudden, if you've got seven new starters out of the draft, you find cap space. You find ways to get. Because Ross is actually one of the richest owners in the league. And it's also an attractive free agent spot. If Malik Willis is as good as I think, and they hit on draft picks, you start looking at their schedule. I think people think they have no talent. If you have a quarterback that can move, and this kid, Malik's got six stars, but boy, he's been good, they'll be the kind of team late in the year with all those young players.

They'll knock a playoff team off and ruin somebody Sunday. I know this. The jet, not to beat up on the Jets, but this team is going to spend the least amount of cash this year in the league have the most dead money. You cannot let this team finish ahead of you in the standings in the AFC East. And they will. And they will. Yeah. To me, if that happens,

sign all to everybody there. Yeah. John Middlough of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

Huge news. we created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in time. tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match,

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear.

The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Fox, UFL Friday features two of the league's newcomers as the Orlando Storm and Louisville Kings look to light it up on prime time. Pro football in the spring is ramping up tomorrow at 8 Eastern on Fox. Rory McElroy won his first masters last year, his 17th try.

He is four under one back through 14. Scotty Sheffler just starting minus three through four. How great is it for Rory McElroy? All that pressure. I was talking to Alan Shepnuck, who just wrote the book Rory. You go on Amazon, look up the book Rory. Interesting read, very complex guy. Kind of fascinating how all the pressure now has been released.

and Rory finds himself in a good spot. I know you like Bryson DeCambo. It's going to be a wild weekend. And Deschambeau's gone from unlikable to completely likable. So that's a pretty good bet. Scotty Schaeffler's hard in these. I root for Rory and Bryce and DeCambo. A lot of the reasons they're more interesting.

They're just more fascinating personality. Sheffler's pretty low key to me. Yeah, I think Rory, Shipnuck is kind of an old-school writer, isn't he? Not afraid to ruffle some feathers and mix? it up, but that doesn't exist as much anymore. And, you know, I think if you've seen the clips this week of Rory, he's beaming. It's like he had another kid

or something. It meant a lot to him. This could open the kind of door. It's like when Phil won 20 plus years ago for the first time at Augusta went on to just rattle off majors. Now Rory already has some, but Rory is currently sitting with

five major. What if he ends up with like 10 now? I mean, he's freed up. He's one of the great all-time talents. And in golf, you know, most sports are not Tom Brady and LeBron James. You can play really at a high level into your early to mid-40s. And also, Rory's kind of a combo of Tiger and Phil. He's Tiger and that he's jacked and he is so long off the tee. You know, he's power game.

And then he's, but he's less robotic and more fun to be around like Phil Mickelson. So he's a little bit, and I think he's probably a little more disciplined than both in terms of a lifestyle. I'd say. Easy guy to root for. By the way, Dan Hurley, who I think is easy to root for, was on Dan Patrick this morning. And he talked about, this has been a topic today, the pitch to keep. I mean, these Yukon teams this year was a veteran team, and older teams are winning in college football and college basketball. That's the trend.

Older teams are beating the star-studded Arizona Dukes when it gets into March. And he talked about Braylon Mullins keeping him instead of having him bounce to the pros. Some players are in a rush to get to the NBA because they don't like being a college student. The world has changed. There's not this pressure to go to the NBA now because of the money situation. You know, players like Braylon are probably, he'd probably make more money at Yukon next year than he would if he was the 15th pick. How about that? Boy, the world has changed.

I said, no, I like older. I always thought the downside to college sports. And I'm a huge college football fan. And back to being a big fan of college basketball, I always thought the downside to it was the teams were young, they were inconsistent. You know, they did, like PJ Carlissimo really had a great line. He said he used to go to a college gym.

And you could tell just based on size and muscle and strength, you could tell it was a college team. You walk in now with Illinois and Michigan playing on a, Friday night. That is NBA size, NBA girth. Just the game's better. It's just, they're pro athletes now in college. And I think it's undeniable how it has helped the quality. I mean, Portal may drive coaches crazy. The quality of college basketball now reminds me of the 80s and the 90s. And there was a one and done 15 year run where you had teams like Virginia could win basketball games scoring 46 points. That's not good. Nobody wins there. Virginia won.

but the consumer did not. Okay, I had my mock draft. Now, this mock draft I did, probably the last one before the draft, maybe not. But this is where I think, this is what I think teams will do, not necessarily what I would do. Jets are going to take R. Velry second.

Therefore, David Bailey, I think Arizona is going to go, whoa, best pure pass rusher, we'll take him now. Jeremiah loved to the Titans. One of the picks that I changed my mind on is Sunny Stiles talking to people, in and around the league is just about as clean a prospect as you can get.

And Greg CoSell came on an hour and a half ago, and I asked him about, you know, the Giants want toughness, it's Harbaugh. Everybody says, ah, linebackers can't take him top five or six. Here was CoSell on the Buckeye linebacker. The guy's a freakish athlete at his size. He's 6'5. He's 2.45. We all saw when he did the combine, he's a really good player. He was better this year.

I thought he had a better sense. of understanding what he was seeing. So much about playing stackbacker has to do with what you see, not just being a great athlete, but he's seeing it much better. And as I mentioned earlier, I think that the stackbacker position in this league is becoming a little more important than people would have said

five, six, ten years ago. So another player that's likely to go in the top ten simply because there's no quarterbacks that are going to do that really. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Will Arvel Reese, I think he's going to have to pick a position. Will he become Micah Parsons, which is just a great edge rusher? Micah Parsons came into the league and they tried the linebacker thing. And he just, I was told by somebody, he's more of a C-ball get-ball guy and Hassan Reddick, like just go get it, break it up. And Mike is great at that.

But the linebacker spot, like some guys do not see the play develop. They don't have quick eyes or really great instincts. Instead, you put them on the edge and it's just go get the quarterback, make disrupt the play that is not a knock some guys are just absolutely great at it and so sunny styles may not be able to come off the edge like an arville rice or a bailey but he'll be great at what he does and i've said this before i used to follow high school recruiting there are so many five-star guys out of high school that just bulldoze people because they're big strong and fast but they play edge and tight end and they don't have they're not great at any position they're just big and strong Well, the higher level of football you go up, being a great athlete, there's a lot of great

athletes in the NBA and in the NFL. It's just a lot of great athlete. What is your defined position? What are you 10 out of 10? So Arvell Reese, to me, people can say, oh, he's got so much dexterity, I want him off the edge. Just put him on the edge, teach him out of be a great edge rusher, and can he be Micah Parsons-ish? I think that's possible.

That's the best case scenario. He's just an elite edge rusher. All right, Thursday's done. Go watch the Masters, maybe. Maybe. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. Nice. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

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Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me. with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was harmed. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Mark keep coming to him. He's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Every family has its secrets.

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