The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Packer fans

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

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Now let's get this party started. listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's our number three, the power hour live and about to be wet Los Angeles again by Monday or today. It's the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Yeah, it never stops raining here. I don't know what it is, the Pineapple Express. These jet streams that are usually north of us are now down here. And so the California, L.A. Times has a drought map. Every Thursday, the L.A. Times releases a drought map. So I get up every Thursday morning and I go to the L.A. Times drought map.

We're out of it. I mean, it's literally we're in the white. In Los Angeles, it's white, meaning it's not even abnormally dry. It's been bright red, crimson, blood red for like 10 years. You just said Pineapple Express. Is that like a weather term? Because that's a good movie, a comedy from the last 15 years. I think it's called a Pineapple Express, El Nino, La Nino, whatever that stuff is.

I'm just going to start calling you Al Roker over there. Mr. Weatherman, huh? So it's like, listen, California is the only place I've ever lived. route for rain. So I moved out of the northwest because it rained too much. But in California, you're like, we need rain. And you cannot believe what it's been like here. Like, I know none of you have sympathy. But if all of a sudden you were in New York and you had no winter and it was 80 degrees every single day in the winter, you'd be like, what? It rains every day now. Do we file that under be careful what you wish for? So here's a story. Albert Breer, we had him on earlier. A stroke of genius by the

Packers in the Aaron Rogers contract. His $58 million option bonus, it's kind of confusing, can be exercised at any time of the Packers up to September 1st. Translation, Green Bay has all the time in the world to trade Rogers. They can really put the screws to the jets. And Aaron, we're in no hurry. You know what Green Bay should announce? The organization's going on a darkness retreat. We're going to go into darkness. We're going to take the staff for a couple weeks. You put people through stuff. They want to put you through stuff. You tease people. You'll get teased. You bully people. You'll get bullied. That's a life lesson. Be careful how you treat people. They may have leverage. Green Bay now has all the leverage. Aaron Rogers admitted yesterday on YouTube

that Green Bay, this is his words. Green Bay is holding this up. Green Bay is digging their feet in. because they can. So again, when you have power, be careful. I was warned about this years ago. You're going to have leverage at some time in your life as an individual. Generally, companies have it. But at some point, you may have leverage. You know what I mean?

Your wife gets a great job or your husband gets a great job and you're like, I don't have to work anymore. Be careful how you use that leverage because they can come back and they won't forget it. So Green Bay has not forgotten. the times that they'd just been sitting waiting for Aaron to make a decision. And Green Bay has a quarterback, and the Jets don't. So they can be incredibly patient. Mike Florio printed this today.

Packers want a first round pick and more. So the Packers want a lot for Rogers. According to Mike Florio, the Packers want more than a first round pick. Okay. Now, I'll tell you this. And Mike wrote this. It feels personal at this point. Yeah, of course it does.

I've been stringing them along for years. When you have power, be careful how you use it. So now, now, the question is, the question is, what is fair with Aaron Rogers? So what I think is fair, if let me be the GM of the Green Bay Packers, I get your first round pick. If you don't think Aaron Rogers is worth a first round pick, according to the odds, the jets are now over under is 10.

So he's five more wins, how many wins they get last year? Seven. He's three more wins. He walks in the door. Minimum, according to the wise guys. I'd say that's worth a first round pick. And the Jets don't have a top five pick. They have a middle of the first round pick.

So is Aaron Rogers, a first ballot Hall of Famer who two years ago was the MVP, is Aaron Rogers worth a middle of the first round pick? Hell, yes, he is. Jalen Ramsey got a third, and he's coming off a bad year. year and he's a corner. You tell me, Aaron's not worth a first round pick. And if I'm Green Bay, I absolutely demand that. Non-starter.

That's what we're getting. Now, I also believe they deserve a first round pick just for this year. And since Green Bay doesn't know how long he's going to play, I think it's fair for Green Bay to ask for a conditional second pick in the following draft. If Aaron comes back for a second year, then we get another pick. Now, that one I don't think I'd say has to be a first round pick, maybe a second or a third. But if Aaron played for four years and all I gets a second round pick, that ain't right. That's not fair. And again, Aaron had leverage for years and used it. Green Bay finally briefly has leverage. They are going to use it.

I totally support the Packers here. This is not anti-Aaron, but he strung him along. I'm going to take a retreat. I may retire. If you have power and use it, people, when they get it, are going to use it. And so I think it's completely fair to ask for the Jets' first round pick this year with a conditional second pick somewhere next year. Now, whatever that is, I'd want a one, but if I got a two, I'd be okay with it.

But if the Jets are like, no, we'll give you two, it's Aaron Rogers. He's literally changing the line. You're also desperate and the Packers aren't. So there's a reason Cleveland paid that deal to Deshaun Watson. They were desperate. Albert Breer earlier on why Aaron really wants to keep playing. If you were 90% out and then all of a sudden you're back all in, well, it's the only reason you're coming back now for revenge.

and like look like some of the questions with the Packers over the last year were questions of how engaged Aaron Rogers was right like they really would have liked to have had him there in April and May and June last year and they felt like part of the reason why Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs came along later in the year rather than earlier in the year was because they hadn't had those reps with Aaron Rogers during OTAs and mini camps and all that other stuff so like my question is going to be coming going forward, what level of engagement are the Jets getting from Aaron Rogers? And if revenge is his motivator, does that level of engagement maintain over time? I want to talk about a college football player Jalen Carter now. One of the things the media does, and I don't like it, is the media is

great at taking a comment and criticizing a politician, a CEO, a media person. They're great at that. That's easy. But what happens if that person is right? Do you retract the opinion? Do you come back and acknowledge that controversial opinion was right? No, the media doesn't. The media does a lousy job at that. All of us are great at ripping people.

But when they're right and we're wrong, we should address that. That's fair. So Todd McShay got a lot of crap at ESPN, a lot of crap. A lot of crap. And I didn't know if he was right or not, but I didn't criticize him for it because I figured he had a source or two or three. When he said defensive tackle Jalen Carter at Georgia's got some character issues, the media avalanche started. How dare you? He's a young man.

Todd was right. Jalen Carter just came in out of shape to his pro day. Brough, you had one job. Be in shape. He'd make millions. Last three weeks, he's been very. right. In three weeks, Jalen Carter got caught in a drag racing incident that killed two people. He left the scene. Two people died. He knew. I'd say that's a character red flag. He also refused

to work out at the combine. That's concerning. He also recently, I just read this morning, got pulled over and find $1,000 for another speeding incident. Oh, and yesterday at Pro Day, he came in noticeably out of shape and couldn't finish his drills. It's not the end of the world coming in nine pounds heavy. But that's not one red flag. That's a multitude, four or five red flags character issues. If you get caught drag racing and two people die, yeah, that's a problem. And if I said this earlier this week, go look at the Pro Bowl team in the NFL this year.

Do it right now. Google it. Not a lot of character issue, guys. Nah, there's not. Not a lot of character issues. So this should drop Jalen Carter in the draft. I think he's the best player in college football, but it now worries me. But we do this all the time, and I try not to do it, but I've done it before too.

So I'm to blame. We are great at criticizing. But when we are wrong on this, why I created a segment, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, every Monday. It takes about seven, eight minutes. It's the most popular segment I do every week. We've got to be able to say, hey, I whiffed on this. this. I made a mistake. I'm wrong. We're all wrong. You're wrong. I'm wrong. But we have to admit it. We don't do that a lot. We are great at levying criticism. Are we great at looking ourselves in the mirror?

Todd McShay took a lot of heat. Todd McShay was right. There's been a lot of stuff going on last three weeks. When I'm talking to people in the NFL, which I do every night now until the draft, this comes up. It's like, yeah, that's probably somebody. I'm not going to draft. There you go. And he's a great player. He's a great, great college football player. Yeah, sad story with Carter. Can I go back to your Packers Jets theory? Because something you said triggered an idea.

So you said that they should ask for a conditional one next year? No, no, no. Or conditional two next year, right? I said a one this year for a Hall of Famer score. Next year, they should ask for a conditional pick. They're probably asking for a one. That may be a little much. I think a two or a three is.

very fair. You know what's more fair? We'll give you a two this year and a conditional one next year. You're desperate. I'm not. My game. What's wrong with the conditional one next year? And a two this year for sure, because that two next year could fall and be a three, four, five. If he doesn't play a lot. If you weren't desperate, I'd listen. You are. I'm not desperate. We see Lamar Jackson, Matt Ryan's on the table. You've got to deal with the Rogers fallout. It's like a nuclear bomb going off in your town in your front office. Good luck with that. You're going to have to clean house if you've got to pay Rogers if he retires. I already got my replacement and everybody likes him. He's nice.

If they like him and he's nice, why didn't he play last year? Oh, that's right, because Rogers was really good. Oh, okay. Listen, the second round pick this year is very good. You got a great second round pick and a conditional one, meaning Rogers has to actually play and stay healthy, and Rogers has to actually, you know, come back for year two. That's not too much to ask. It's not too much to ask. And if you had power and leverage, I would be for force to take it. I ask for things all the time from my bosses. It wouldn't be outrageous for me to ask certain things. So I agree with you a two and a app, but I'm not going to do it. That's why it's being held up because I got my guy in the building and you got Zach Wilson. We don't have

Zach Wilson. He's not in the discussion. There's plenty of, you, by the way, marginal quarterbacks on the market. And you got star players campaigning for Aaron publicly and hate Zach Wilson publicly. So I am in an ownership group of a soccer team in Mexico, okay? And this happens in the offseason. We've got to have discussions over players. And obviously, you know, certain guys want certain players and the coach's philosophy. It is a difficult decision. But if I am Woody Johnson and I give up two number ones, just forget about the franchise.

It's going to be over. You're not two number ones for a guy who maybe commits for a year, Colin? Come on. 39. By the way, what was his injury last year that caused him to not play so great? Didn't he have it at some thumb? Was that last year? Oh, right.

39. Getting up there in age. Jets don't have a great offensive line. And then you, if you imagine, worst case scenario. Rogers gets hurt, isn't good, blah, blah, blah. And the Jets are like a five, six win team. So now your next year's pick, top 10, go into the Packers?

So hell out of here with that. All you're giving up for Aaron Rogers is a first round pick. I'm only asking for a conditional if he plays. if he doesn't, I don't get anything. I lost Aaron, experimented with Jordan Love, and got one pick, which, by the way, the first round, 30% of picks whiff. You get a guarantee. I get a potentially good hire.

You get a guarantee. Listen, Jets better hold firm. I think my offer, a second this year. How about this? How about this? I'll raise the stakes. A second and a fourth and a conditional one next year. Say no to that.

A second and a third and a conditional number one. This guy. Well, it's negotiation. Second and Zach Wilson. No, that's interesting. A second and a third this year. No, no, no, no. That's too much. Come on.

We have one pick in the first hundred? No. We got holes on this team. Good luck, Kazaki. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Leroy Butler, 12 years with the Packers, Pro Football Hall of Famer. He's a favorite on this show because he's really got a sense of what people are talking about Packer fans. So I love to bring him on a half dozen times a year. He's also got a vodka, number one vodka in Wisconsin Leap Vodka, Leap into Lambo. That's amazing. So good for you. Okay, I want to start

with this. On your afternoon radio show, yesterday it's announced, I want to be a jet. What is the reaction by the average fan to Aaron moving on. What are they saying? Colin, this is what they're saying in the barbershop as well, because you know what, that's where you get the facts and there's no filter. Out of everything that Aaron said, the one thing they picked up on was 90% retirement, 10% jets. What percentage is Packers? Right. You were here for 18. years longer than anybody and you went into the darkness with 0.0% Packers. I applaud the Packers for standing up saying they want to make a change.

So the people are just tired of it, but that's what they picked up on was that percentage. Yeah, the thing that bothered me is he said he was surprised when he came out of the darkness retreat that Green Bay had said, hey, we're moving on. And I said, if I strung somebody. along Fox Sports for eight, nine weeks on my plans. And then I said, I'm going to go on a retreat and I'll come back and maybe give you an answer. I wouldn't be shocked if I came out of the retreat and Fox said, hit the road, pal. Like, it's almost like nobody in Aaron's personal life is an honesty meter.

Like, I mean, to me, Aaron acted like he was surprised they moved off him. Were you surprised? Not at all. Matter of fact, Colin, I was wondering. when the team was going to push back a little bit. But you got to understand. They paid Aaron the three-year 150 guarantee so you don't have to go through this.

So you're sitting there waiting. Then he went to play golf and congratulations. He actually won the pro a.m. And he's having fun with fans want me to go to the Raiders, not mentioning the Packers. Sooner or later, the fans are like, we need to hear from Guttacuntz, which Goudicunds said

everything is on the table. Then the fans are like, no, we need to hear from Murphy. Then they heard from Murphy, the president. Now the next day, they're waiting for it, Colin. They're waiting for Matt LaFloor to step up to a podium, an iPhone, or wherever, and said, Jordan Love

is my starting quarterback for 2023. At that point, we don't care what Aaron does. He goes to the Jets or come back, but Joy Love is the starter. So it's being held up. Aaron Rogers said yesterday on YouTube that it's being held up by the Packers. They're digging their feed in.

So I'm not taking him. I'm not in any way insinuating. He's lying. Okay. So the Packers, according to Aaron, are digging their feet in. I'm going to take him at his word. So that probably means compensation. So I think it's very fair, Leroy, to ask for a first round pick this year.

Aaron's a great player. and he's going to come on. He's not going to be injured as much, so he probably play it very well. I would ask for, if Aaron plays a second year, I would ask for another really good pick. Doesn't have to be a first,

but it has to be a really good pick. Is that, in your opinion, is it fair to ask for a first this year and then compensation, one more pick if Aaron plays a second? Do you think it's as simple as that? Absolutely. Absolutely.

When you find a team this desperate, to get the owners to fly 3,000 miles, but rich people go wherever they want. I get that. To go over to convince him, and he still doesn't give you an answer. And he's done this to the package of a couple years, okay? And they say history repeats itself.

Of course. I'm going to ask for the moon because you're so desperate. But, Colin, I have a suggestion. They can flip-flop picks. The package will win the 13th. The Jets will get 15th, But I must have Elijah Moore or Denzerer Mems. And I want the tight-in C.J. as well.

As for players and picks. Because at this end of the day, you got to pay them $60 million anyways on the books. I'm glad they're digging their heels in. Somebody had to, in that building, had to do some pushback. So I think for the most part, it's about joy and love. Any way you can help him out of this trade will help the team. Yeah, if you could give me Elijah Moore on the tight end, And I just get that those are two starters.

Those guys are both. That'd be great that I don't need draft picks. Let me ask you this. We don't get footage of Jordan Love. If I said to you, I don't, here's my theory, Leroy, that he's not Mahomesboro, Josh Allen. If he was, they wouldn't have signed Aaron to an extension if they thought he was that. But he's not Zach Wilson or they wouldn't be moving off Aaron. So he's somewhere, you know, somewhere C plus to A&.

minus. With how much certainty do you believe with your sources that he is going to be at least a Kirk Cousins level guy? Great question. Colin, look at the system. The system is Sean McVeigh with Jared golf Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan, Brock Purdy, and anybody else that wants to be a quarterback Super Bowl. He can be that. He can be Daniel Jones. He can be Tyler Heineke. I mean, I'm naming all the quarterbacks that beat the Packers, by the way.

Any of those guys to run the system, now Matt LaFleau can sleep at night, Colin, with no anxiety, he can run his stuff without somebody changing it. So I think not only will he be a good, because he got two running backs and a good offensive line. David Bottyardi restructing him. He'll be back. Yeah. And love him will be better than people think. Uh, finally, so when you go on your calls today for our radio audience, Leroy Butler sitting in a nice packer room, he's a hall of famer, when you go on today are at least 50% of your callers glad he's leaving. What's, what's the divide line? What's the percentages on? I'm done with Aaron and, oh, I think we're

making a big mistake on your show because you're talking to real packer fans and they don't have a filter they're going to tell you la roy they like you they're going to tell you exactly how they feel most anonymously we don't know who's calling shows what percentage or see you later pal and what percentage are uh oh we're making a big mistake i think is two things can be true you can love aaron rogers because you could be sick and tired you can be either sick or tired or something you're fine with it. But if you're both, you're done with it. I actually live here as well. So it's a different community. When you go places, people come up to you and ask, I would say 80% of the people that I see and I'm in a community more than anybody, any Hall of Fame, locally. They're done. They're ready to see

number 10. His jersey sales is going up. I mean, they want to see Joy and Love because really the thing about it real quick calling it's the 90% I'm retired the 10% I'm going to the jets and then when he said I intend to play for the jets they're out we're done we're done with it by his vodka it's called leap vodka I've never had it you can send a bottle to me why you'll send a ball to me I'll uh I'll partake in your business venture I'm gonna hook you up you know you my guy I got you I know you already sent me an autographed jersey so good seeing you a man And you didn't sell it yet, so that's good. So in that, thanks, isn't it interesting how it landed for Green Bay?

They heard 90% retired 10% jets. That's what they heard from McAfee. What I heard was, I'm surprised they moved off me, which I'm just incredulous about. How in God's name could you be surprised? You've left them hanging for years. So it's funny. This is why boxing has three judges. Same fight, three judges, different angle.

In Green Bay, they heard nine. 90% retirement, 10% Jets, you don't love us. I've never doubted Aaron loved Green Bay. He said to McAfee, he loved Green Bay. What I heard was, I was kind of surprised. They moved off me. The hell, you're the one that keeps telling us that Jordan loves fantastic, and you watch them every day of practice.

Don't the Packers deserve some scorn for not realize? Aaron Rogers has been telling you who he is the last couple off seasons. So now he pulls this stunt and you're shocked and surprised. I think the Packers deserve a little bit of, hey, guys, what do you expect to happen with? this guy. It's funny when people are surprised, people have different opinions on a moment. So, so Packer fans heard 90% 10%. I heard, I'm surprised. What was, if I said in a sentence, what was your takeaway on all of his talk yesterday? Yeah, all of it was on brand for Aaron Rogers.

This is not going to be a decision day. My intention is to play for the Jets. You know, smearing reporters, this is exactly who he is. You know, I personally did. I love when AJ Hawk pushed back a little bit. I saw a clip online. AJ Hawk pushed back a little bit on Rogers and then the host, the former punter, kind of swung it like, I've got to protect Rogers. What did AJ say? I don't really want to get into it because then I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. But basically, you know, Rogers selects who he talks to because they're going to give him free range to be Aaron.

They're not going to push back and challenge him. I think one of the reasons our dynamic works is I push back and challenge you a little bit. Well, Aaron said yesterday, I just want total transparency. Time out, time out, time out. Aaron, I know two Packer teammates of yours, offensive guys who have no idea what you're doing because there's no transparency. You keep everything private. Don't demand something when you don't give something. That'd be like asking, hey, honey, you've got to be loyal to me and I'm out flirting around. Don't ask for something in life if you don't expect to deliver that something.

Don't tell me you want transparency. You're like this mythical lockness monster in the NFL that nobody knows ever what you're thinking. So don't give me that nonsense. That's the stuff that bothers me. and we all know we're all hypocrites to some degree. But that would be like, you know, I have always said, even in my negotiations with ESPN, if you don't like me, tell me. Because if I don't like you, I'll tell you. So I'm very confrontational as a person. If I'm pissed off at a boss, I'll go right to him and confront them in a hallway.

But blah, but, then do the same for me. Because I'm going to do that to you. So don't be wishy-washy. If you're mad at me, come to me and yell at me. I can take it. But don't you think sometimes people will say what they want and provide lip service, but their actions say completely otherwise. Well, that's what

we're talking about here. And, you know, we've all bumped into that. That's not fun. All right. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's pivot off Aaron Rogers. Go to DJ Moore. Going to the Bears.

After that big trade for the number one pick, DJ Moore, very excited about the move. You know, and without question, Justin Fields is finally getting a number one receiver. You like Mooney, we like Playpool. No, no, no.

DJ Moore's clearly better. He is a big vertical player. Here's what he had to say. It's going to be real special. I'm glad to be part of the groundwork that's being laid. And to just build that foundation of winning, it's going to be something special. Now, we said, you and I said last year, we thought the Niners, not the best team, but the most interesting team. Can we say now this morning, Chicago is going to be one of the more interesting teams in the league?

One of them. Not the. but I had a buddy in Vegas text me, what do you think? I'm going to Vegas for the Nsate Tourism. Oh, you are. Should I put money on Fields? No, Justin Fields to win the MVP. No.

I was like, are you crazy? No. Settled. Now, listen, Jalen Hertz, though, nearly won the MVP last year, going from no shot whatsoever. Yeah, but that roster was stacked, and he had an offensive coach. That matters. The offensive coach thing matters. Nick Seriani deserves, I didn't think it worked. Nick Seriani has been great.

Yeah. So we got a defensive coach in Chicago. What's the over under on the bears? Unfortunately, do not have it yet. Let me guess. Let's see what happens in the draft. Seven. I think that's high.

Six and a half. Oh, I'm betting the over. They're going to win. I think you're right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Let me see. If Aaron Rogers leaves the division and Jordan Love is the quarterback, I would say seven.

I honestly think that's a bigger swing than many people think. That's a big downgrade. So seven wins for the Bears over under. They're putting some money on these players. They got real players now. But they're steel. They missed out on McGlinchy at right tackle. I would say, how's this?

There's no value there for me, so I would pass. But I think that's a fair line from the book, right? Seven? Has Duke won the tournament yet? Let me just checking it. They have not started. Okay. Next up, Cincinnati Bengals had a lot of offensive line issues with Joe Burrow.

But I don't know if you saw this, Orlando Brown. Big steel from the Chiefs. Essentially, they're becoming rivals, the Bengals and Chiefs in the AFC. Orlando Brown, four years, $64 million, including a $31 million signing bonus. Well, Steelers and Jets were allegedly in the mix for Brown. Jets, obviously, he's a left tackle. I don't know if he's a great player. He's a good player.

He's a good player. There's been issues with his weight fluctuating, and, you know, he was in a contract year and had a great year. You know, sometimes that can be fools gold. The Bengals offered the most guaranteed money, and he took it. Remember, they fixed the offensive line in Sincere last year. It helped. Now you're upgrading it even more. I feel like nobody's really tough.

talking about the Bengals. If you're going to overpay as the Cincinnati Bengals, I'm okay, you overpaying for your O-line. Burroughs on the rookie contract. Don't pay for linebackers. They let Jesse Bates, or they let Vaughn Bell go and Jesse Bates. So they save money on safety. I wouldn't, I don't, Seahawks pay their safeties too much. So Cincinnati said, we're moving off safety contracts, back up, running back gone. We're going to pay, we're going to pay a price to protect our number one asset. I totally defend that move. If you really think about what happened to the Bengals in that loss to the Chiefs, what do you pin that loss on? I would say

the offensive ineptitude. They could not move the football in Kansas City. They couldn't get it done in the fourth quarter, right? Chris Jones, good pass rush. Chris Jones annihilated them. Actually, that's a great call because on one of the seminal plays there late in the game, they move Chris Jones outside. The Bengals weren't ready, and he bull rushed and got it Burrow. So, yeah, I mean, Orlando Brown, that's a big addition. They had an injury, right, late in the season. I mean, there are certain places you do not want to overspend. Safety, linebacker, tight end. And there are certain places, quarterback, O-line, weapons, sometimes you have to overspend. And in 2023, that's what the league is. Edge rusher. Basically, the Chargers said

Khalil McInbosso. You can mock it, but if you're going to overspin on defense, overspin on edge rusher. Like, it's the right position to overspend on. Final story is not a good one. So the World Baseball Classic last night. Michael Trout led Team USA, big night, and the win over Columbia. With the win, the U.S. finishes the runner up to Mexico and Group C. However, there was a big injury to a Mets closer. He just signed for about $100 million contract. They're celebrating the win on the mound.

He steps wrong in the celebration. Patelotendant torn, a reporter is claiming he's going to be out for this season. That is a devastating loss. Celebrating a victory. Okay, but let me ask you this. It could have happened at spring train. Yes. So I just, I don't want to blame.

Let me, let me defend the World Baseball Classic because I did this at ESPN. I defended it there. So Little League Baseball is fun. College Baseball's fun. World Baseball Classics fun. I grew up with Reggie Jackson, Pete Rose, Mark Fidrich, Al-Raboski, Mickey Rivers. Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. Big personality, guys.

Where baseball sometimes is. isn't fun when you have these stoic, there's a way to play the game. So I like baseball that celebrates Little League, college, world baseball, and baseball in the 70s and 80s. Baseball's moved into this. There's a way to play the game. And by the way, the commissioner has over the last several years, they've had a marketing campaign. Let's enjoy this stuff. So I'm going to defend this.

I don't think the World Baseball Classic is necessary, but I think it's absolutely fun. And baseball needs more fun, and this could have happened at spring training or any time during the year. So I just, let's not, in the end, injuries happen. I mean, the NBA's got an eight, I mean, the NBA's got 82 games. Then they have eight preseason games. I think the NFL preseason, I would never play a starter. Teams did four times a year. So it is what it is.

Yeah. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. And by the way, are the Mets cursed? Of course they are. Because they're the Mets.

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The Aaron Rogers version of Buy, sell, or hold. Time to Buy! I'm your broker. I'm your broker. Do it again? Rogers and the Jets will reach the AFC Championship. Sell.

Sell, sell, sell. They have the worst record in the AFC over the last five seasons. They're not getting to the AFC championship, 25 and 48. All right, we briefly touched on this yesterday. Rogers and the Jets will make the playoffs. I'm going to go sell.

Sell, sell, sell. The Jets are 5 and 25 in their division over the last five seasons. So they don't have the roster of Miami or Buffalo, nor do they have the coach of New England. So they have struggled mightily. They have as bad an indivision record as anybody in football over the last half decade, 5 and 25. Rogers will play more than one year with the Jets.

Hold. He did say he was 90% retiring before the retreat. So I think if he has one year, it's okay. Even if it's a good year, he was already, he was through the doorway. He just hadn't locked the door yet. I should remind Jets fans, Farv came back, was good, got hurt, left for the Vikings, and they made the NFC championship game. So there's a chance there's a two-year window. Next up, Rogers has a better chance to win the MVP with the Jets than the Packers. Well, that's a sell because the AFC's got so many great quarterbacks. I mean, Peyton Manning is the only player to do with the two different franchises.

Mahomes, Burrell, Allen, if Lamar signs, Trevor Lawrence. So that's not a knock on him. I mean, Russell Wilson with Peyton's going to have better numbers. Now Justin Herbert has Kellyn Moore. I mean, they're just too many great players. I think even if he had a really good year, there's just too many great quarterbacks. All right, the Jets will be Aaron Rogers' final team he plays with before retiring. I'm going to say bye, by, because he said he was 90% into retiring, and I don't think he's a bounce around guy.

I could see it being a one and done. I'd probably say a greater than 50% chance being a one and done, but I don't see Aaron. Maybe if a West Coast team handed in like the Rams, a really good situation, but this feels like Jets and then back to golfing and hanging out. All right, Alan Lazzard will lead the Jets in receiving touchdown. Six foot five, Red Zone target. I'm going to say hold because last year he had an abnormally good year. He'd never had more than eight receiving touchdowns in a single season. So Lazzard had his best year because why?

Because the Packers had rookie wide receivers and Devante Adams left. So they really needed and targeted him a lot. I don't think he's going to get targeted. They got a good tight end and two good young receivers. and they probably draft another receiver. So I think last year, he got a lot of looks he won't get in New York. All right, take your time on this one. The Jets will have a better record than the Packers.

Jordan Love at quarterback for the Packers, obviously, Aaron Rogers with the Jets. I told Ryan during the break, I think both are going to end up nine and eight, so hold. Oh, please. Their schedules tough. Jet schedule is tough. AFC East is arguably a tougher division. AFC conference is tougher. So if you're asking me, will the Jets be better than the Packers?

My answer is yes. But will they have a better record than the Packers? I would say no. All right. This feels a little, this is a little much. Jordan Love will be a top five quarterback in the NFC in his first year as a starter. Sell. Sell, sell, sell.

I mean, come on. We don't even know. He has one career start. And he, by the way, he's struggled. is last year at Utah State. So I think, I think, I'm trusting the Packers' brain trust. I think he's going to be fine. Okay.

We know, you and I know he's not Mahomes or Burrell, because they wouldn't have signed Aaron to an extension if they saw that at practice. We also know he's not Zalk Wilson or they wouldn't have moved off him. So he is somewhere between pretty good, okay, and not okay enough. I mean, he's somewhere in that mix. Jordan Loving the Packers win the NFC North,

which is going to be better next. year. We would agree. I'd say hold on that. I think the lions are going to be better. I think the bears are absolutely going to be better. Minnesota's probably going to be a little worse.

Christian Watson, for the record, should be better. They're going to have more wept. Romeo Dobbs is going to be more productive. They're going from Aaron Rogers to Jordan Love. I don't know. I watched Jordan play this year in that one start.

Christian Watson had a touchdown. Didn't he? I don't remember. Aaron Rogers is dropping dines, balls in buckets, 40 yards down the field for Watson. I don't know if Love's doing that. Finally, Jordan Love will have a better year than Aaron Rogers. Sell, sell, sell, sell.

I think Aaron's going to play with a chip on his shoulder. Be mad, and I think the Jets... Remember, the Jets O-Line is not a catastrophe like the Giants. They had three different players hurt. So the Jets O'Line, there's some players, like Austin Verit Tucker. I really like him, a lot. But they had guys banged up.

So the Jets O line is not in a total rebuild. I think they should address it again. We just saw they went after Orlando Brown. But the Jets O line, if it's healthy, will be a middle of the pack O line. The Giants O line last year was bottom of the league. And the Packers, by the way, Jordan Love is going to have a better O'Line than Aaron Rogers. But Aaron Rogers is a lot better than Jordan Lowe. We've seen some of these tackles come out of the draft and instantly have an impact.

Tristan Wharf's very, very good out of the game. So maybe if the Jets keep their first round pick, they get alignment and plug and play. And they're an average or above average. Yeah, if you look at where the Jets are drafting. There's several guys. I think the Georgia tackle I've targeted as a guy. Ohio State and Georgia have offensive tackles. Northwestern does.

So the Jets do not want to give up that number one pick. So let me ask you. So they don't want to give up the number one pick because they want an offensive lineman. That's their number one thing. Unless a past rusher. Now listen, hold on. Jalen Carter, you talked about it. They don't need a defensive lineman.

That's not their issue. That's Robert Salas' DNA. He wants defensive linemen. I wouldn't do it. But if Jalen Carter falls down... He's not going to. Not that far. You just said he's fallen earlier.

But he's not falling to 15. I'm talking fall 9, 10. So my takeaway, the reason the Jets don't want to give up the first round pick is they want to tackle. And that's very reasonable. You know, Green Bay would love another first. They're going to get the best tight end

or the first or second best wide receiver. So if I was the Jets and said, we're not giving you the first round pick, that's off the table because we need to tackle for Aaron Rogers. Then let me ask you, is it fair for the Packers to say, I want two seconds guaranteed and one of your receivers? Get out of it. Close the door. Hang up the phone. Lose my number in the words of Aaron Rogers. Lose my number, bro.

Two-toes and a receiver? Okay, so I get two-twos guaranteed, though. For Aaron Rogers. I think any second pick after the first pick, after the second round pick, that next pick has to be conditional. One second round pick for Aaron Rogers. And a conditional. If Rogers plays all the snaps and it comes back for another year, yeah, you get it first.

I'll give that up. Okay, so you do a second this year and a first next year. A conditional first next year. Because listen, there's a chance. Do I get any players? What's that? How about your second best corner? You already have the league best.

I'm not giving up a, no. You're not getting another. starter. Seems greaty. Did Duke win the tournament? Yeah. No, there was. There is an update. Do you want it? Yeah, give me one up. Just happened. Virginia was leading Furman by five with like 15 seconds left. And lost. Furman pulls the upset. I picked Furman. I gave out Furman for Fox Sports.com. Huge win. Three pointer with like three seconds left.

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