The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Patick Mahomes and the Chiefs

Episode Date: February 9, 2023

Colin discusses Patrick Mahomes, drafting QBs, and Aaron Rodgers deciding his future   Guests: Matt Hasselbeck, Jerome BettisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in Arizona, it is Super Bowl week on a Thursday. It's the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Jason McIntyre is joining me. We've got moves happening. NBA trade deadline. Warriors appear to be moving off James Wiseman getting a bunch of second round picks. Are they setting up another deal? We're not exactly sure. But it's very much the go-for-it mold. Mode. What you're seeing here, NFL GMs and NBA GMs have gotten hyper-aggressive over the last seven, eight years. And it's, you know, Atlanta Braves, Dodgers, Astros, aggressive baseball teams work. Warriors, aggressive basketball teams work.

We've seen Philadelphia get aggressive. The Rams got aggressive. It works. Win now. Figure it out later. Players are more mobile. You can build stuff very, very quick. quickly. So the Warriors are moving off. Wiseman. Do we know what they're getting right now?

It sounds like they got Sadiq Bay from Detroit and they're rerouting him to Atlanta for five second round draft picks. Somebody's cooking up something in Golden State. You know, the Warriors don't need five second round picks. Got to wonder what's happening there, Colin. It's fast and furious on the NBA front. All right. Two thoughts. I lost my phone yesterday. And so when I woke up, Kevin Durant this morning had been traded to the sons. My basic feel on. it is Kevin Durantz made three moves now in his career. The Warriors move great. The Brooklyn move awful and this one feels very strong, although perhaps not quite as strong as the Warriors move. Chris Paul, veteran coach, Devin Booker, DeAndre Aiton, they have the elements they can compete

for a championship. Phoenix now has the things you need. Smart guys, shooters, scores, playoff experience, and a big that can run the floor. They don't have a great bench. Either does Golden State. But the two best starting fives, in my opinion, in basketball out west, are now Phoenix and the Warriors. Now, I think Memphis is deeper. So are the Clippers. Maybe Denver. But I don't think they have the star power and shot makers at the top. I love it for KD, who I think's an all-time talent and was wasting his time. The clear truth about the NBA, we become transfixed on talent. In the NFL, half the players are undrafted.

In the NBA, after the 13th pick of the first round, you run out of dudes historically. And so even if you're a bad actor from time to times like Kyrie Irving, or you're older and sometimes Brito like Durant, people are going to go all in. I get it by Phoenix. Don't worry about the future. We've never won a title, and I think the Sons are really good very quickly. The Lakers also made a move. One, I can't believe they could pull off.

Trading deadline moves are difficult. They made a move that made Minnesota a little better, got Utah pick. But they got out of the Westbrook contract, got versatile wing young defenders, and they got DeAngelo Russell. He's not a great player. He drove Steve Kirk crazy. He's inconsistent, but he can shoot, and so can Malik Beasley. So the Lakers needed versatility, they needed assets, and they needed shooters.

And LeBron James makes all of his guards better shooters. He got Westbrook all sorts of looks. Russell can't shoot. So the Lakers are absolutely better, perhaps not a championship team. The Phoenix Suns are significantly better. I believe a championship level team, and the Warriors, as Jason McIntyre just said, are accumulating lots and lots and lots of second round picks. So that tells me they're going to engineer a move before the end of the trading deadline.

Dallas is also better bringing Kyrie over, Minnesota is slightly better, Utah, piling up picks. The West, not just the East, looks pretty darn good at the top. Well, well, well. He is the older brother of Tim Hasselback, who used to be a constant annoyance for me. Matt is the mature brother, the Super Bowl brother, and he is joining us in the herd from Arizona. Sunday NFL countdown. I got to give for you. Thank you.

We'll get into these in a second. You and Brian Billick. I love you both. All right, first of all, it's great to see you. Your family's great. Yeah, we're doing well. So your Super Bowl, I'm not going to say it quietly, was the worst officiated Super Bowl.

In fact, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, after you lost to the Steelers, did a poll. And half of Steelers fans acknowledged, you guys got hosed in Seattle. Was it, you're flying home? What was your feeling after that game? Because you went toe to toe with the Steelers. Man, I don't know if I'm coming back on this show. We're talking about Super Bowl 40 already.

I get in the green room, and who's the first person I see in the green room? I'm probably giving away your next guest. Jerome Bettis, the bus, who had the homecoming back in Detroit, all the terrible towels. Listen, it was a thrill to play in the Super Bowl, and I've kind of thought about it and reflected upon it a little bit this week as we get ready here for Super Bowl 57. and so much of it is the journey. And, you know, as you know, I work over at ESPN, your old network on, you know, Sunday NFL countdown with Teddy Bruske, who has won a Super Bowl or two, has lost a Super Bowl.

And we're talking about losing a Super Bowl. We're talking a lot about that lately. And I lost, I lost this, you know, I lost my only Super Bowl that I had a chance to start in. And I had a chance to sit down with both Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hertz this year. Jalen Hertz just last week. And, you know, one of the questions I wanted to ask. him and I didn't, but it was going to be about like, what's it going to be like if you don't get to

be the guy that hoists the Lombardi? What's it going to be like if you're the guy that goes home sort of the loser, the other team's confetti? Because I know what that feels like. And man, it's like you almost have this feeling in your head like, would it be better to have never been here? And I don't think the answer is yes, but that you do think that way. And you certainly contemplate that. And, you know, I joke, but you know, part of losing Super Bowl 40 certainly was very, very difficult. You know, I said this, I think it was last week. Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever.

I think Mahomes is the most talented, and I say that as somebody old enough to watch Elway and Marino and all these guys. And what you're a very smart guy from a smart family. What Patrick does to me that jumps off the TV screen is the ability to see something and process it so quickly and release the ball. It all happens within a second. And some of it is delivery. There's quarterbacks I like, but the delivery is slower. We saw that with Tebow and Sam Darnal.

It just took too long. There's a cognitive ability. I don't know if it's innate. I don't know what it is. I know he's a great quarterback, but that's what I see when I watch him. Sight to release. So as somebody who's been in Super Bowl, what do you see with Mahomes beyond the obvious?

Well, so my first year, the NFL. I got drafted to the Green Bay Packers in 1998. The quarterback room that year was Brett Favre, Doug Peterson, Rick Meyer, and then me on the practice squad. Our quarterback coach was Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren was the head coach. I've known Andy Reid a long time. I sat down with Andy Reid this year and I said to him, I said, okay, basically what you just said. I said, but tell me the one thing. Like what is the absolute best thing that Patrick Mahomes does? What's his best ability? Like, what is the one thing. And really without hesitation, he said he's smart. He's smart, smart. And I really believe that half of what you do as a quarterback, maybe more, happens before you even snap the football.

And that's where he is exceptional. I said this to somebody that I worked with recently. I said, you know, I could just listen to Patrick Mahomes play a game. You know, they mic up one of the offensive linemen now. So you get this like nat sound, this natural sound of what it sounds at the line of script. You hear you. hear him up there. White 80, gold, gold, white 80, sad. You hear him with all his verbal communication with the offensive line, with the wide receivers, with Kelsey. The way he communicates with Kelsey is like you communicated with your best friend at recess. No, no, no, no, go over there and break out. Like, that's how he talks to him. And I just think

it's next level. It's almost undefendable sometimes because whatever you do defensively, he's got an answer for it. And then, oh, by the way, he's one of the most talented throwers that the game's ever seen. You know, we've gotten into this ideology, this theory, that there's two ways to get to a Super Bowl. Now, let's not talk winning, but getting there is really hard. The margin, this isn't college football. The margins are tight.

So a lot of it's attrition. Lock. Guys get hurt. Yours don't. And the two things that appear to be clear. Either you've got somebody that's brilliant at quarterback. There's about six on the planet. You can go back to any era.

There's about five or six. Or you draft a guy that's good and you stack the roster. Philadelphia, San Francisco. So if Philadelphia, and I like Jalen Hertz, it's not Mahal. I don't need East Herbert or Lamar or whatever. We know, Burrell. So if, I mean, Brock Purdy gets to the NCAA championship game, if Philadelphia rolled Kansas City, do you believe it does send the message in a copycat league?

Just draft a quarterback every year. keep the position reasonably inexpensive. Well, I think the draft to quarterback every year thing is a real philosophy that some people have. It started with Ron Wolf and Green Bay, Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid. I think you still see remnants of that in Philly. You know, whether it was Andy Reid or Doug Peterson or now it's Howie Roseman there, like, you know, the mindset is just draft a guy every year. I mean, even when they had Carson Wentz, I believe they paid Sam Brad.

They're paying Sam Bradford a bunch of money that year, and they were playing Chase Daniel a bunch of money that year. When they drafted Jalen Hertz, everyone's like, what? You have Carson Went. Like, that's, I believe that's this organization's philosophy a little bit. But, no, I think Jalen Hertz is a better quarterback than people realize. Okay. I really do.

I think he's a better passer than people realize. And there's an opportunity here for him and players who play his style of play. If the Philadelphia Eagles are able to win the Super Bowl, it's going to open the door for players who play a little bit more physical brand. Like, there may be more of a dual threat. not just like getting you out of a jam dual threat, but like, no, you can be a big part of the running game dual threat. And it doesn't take just that body type. Like Josh Allen would be an example of a guy.

Daniel Jones surprised a lot of people, including myself. I did not know Daniel Jones could be a designed run kind of quarterback the way that he was this year. He was unbelievable and stayed healthy. So, yeah, I'm interested to see what happens in this game, you know, part because of that. Matt Hasselbeck for our radio audience is joining us. You know, I had Brady on the other day. We got lucky, called that he'd do the show.

Tom's the classic example. Overlooked. You were often overlooked. Six round pride, you know, six round. You know? A lot of pride. He was picked 199. I was 187.

It's a weird thing. But when you're drafted in the six round, I don't think you forget the number. I totally get it. So there are similarities. Is that you're about the same size? But to last and be as good as Tom, he had to have been better physically. There's the old combine picture shirt off. When you watch Tom, like let's say you didn't know Tom and you just watched his video and somebody said to you, you were a scout. What do you make of this kid? What was his secret sauce that he never quite got credit for? Well, listen, that, that, That's the way you should watch film anyway. Nameless faces is how you say it in a quarterback room. Like in a quarterback room, when you're getting ready to play an opponent, you literally write this on the board, nameless faces.

Like, I don't care what this player used to be. I don't care what he's done in the past. We're going at number 24 today. Hey, every deep ball we're going at number 24. Well, 24 might be a Hall of Famer. So it just wouldn't even feel right. Like, you just wouldn't even, that's kind of how you do it. And so you pick a DB later in the stages of his career where it's like,

hey we're going to double move that guy. So I think that's how weird players are sort of trained to look at players, evaluate players anyway. For Tom Brady, to me, his arm got better the older that he got. His physical skills got better. I would argue he got faster. I bet you he's faster now in his 40s than he was when he left Michigan. Like, what is that?

Some of that's training. Some of that's diet. Some of that's science. We've learned some things that we didn't know. like when I was in college, he was in college, we were all just eating like Joe Wheater protein. You know what I mean? I know. Like chocolate milk.

We didn't know what we now know. And I think that's what they'll say about us 20 years from now. I remember even like when I was growing up, there was a time when water breaks were seen as a sign of weakness. Oh, I remember it well. And training camp in Cheney, Washington, the Seahawks. Exactly. And so now we know that sleep and hydration and all this other. stuff like technology has been invited to the party for football finally it was like the last sport to

really embrace technology and equipment and how we learn all of it and even like i would say a good part of my early part of my career we were installing plays on overhead transparencies with like dry erase markers and i remember the day it went to powerpoint and everyone was like oh fancy young coaches putting PowerPoint in the playbook and now these guys are you know They're learning with virtual reality or on iPads, like all this kind of stuff. Hey, I'm just going to like quickly upload a doc that's all the new install for tomorrow. And so like COVID happened. All these guys were having Zoom meetings and filming them.

And then a new player comes from another team. He can just go back and watch the installs. It didn't matter that he wasn't there. So the game is definitely changing. And I'm sort of here for it. Finally, not everybody is the same. Tall quarterback, fast quarterback, pocket quarterback. Most quarterbacks in my life don't go on isolation trips.

I awoscan. That's fine. I'm in a meditation. I always have been. I've supported Aaron that way. You're a different cat, not me. I get it. Kyler Murray's got his own way to study.

Aaron's got his own personality. Tom's a repetitive nature guy. Aaron's an artist. He's a jazz musician. But I do think sometimes, and I would say this about Kevin Durant, When you're a bit of a wander, structure generally equals wealth in business or wealth in sports. LeBron's got structure. Tom had structure.

Dieter had structure. When you're a wanderer, it's not bad to you. It can be bad to organizations. You're kind of waiting for the move. Is it a fair criticism to say that sometimes Aaron puts pressure on others waiting for him to commit, verbalize, that he's not always as a quarterback. despite brilliant talent, he can be sometimes difficult for an org, for an organization. You know, I really don't think it's that different than what he probably experienced when he got to the Green Bay Packers with Brett Farv, not being sure if he was going to keep playing

or whatnot. I think that's kind of what you're getting at. And I can just say, like, I was there, you know, Brett wouldn't come to the off-season stuff. That was a huge benefit for me. like I was the guy getting the reps with the starters I was the guy going with the ones like I that helped me so in a weird way like it's sort of helping the organization when you're away because the young guys are you know in this case Jordan love would be having the opportunity to sort of develop and that kind of thing but just in terms of like the getaway thing yeah when you're like a super like ultra celebrity there's just something I think about having downtime yeah and I remember even like when I was in Green Bay, you know, once upon a time, you know, the starting quarterback was

Brett Farves, two consecutive Super Bowls, three MVPs in a row. Like, he just needed to get away. He'd go hunting sometimes. And I think, I swear, he never did. He didn't take a gun. He just wanted to just be away. Sure. And I remember at the time, one of our, one year, our other quarterback was Danny Wharfell. And Danny Whirful was kind of like Tim Tebow before Tim Tebow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, wildly popular in college. Huge. Florida Gator, Heisman Trophy. I mean, he was the guy I was looking up to. I was in college also. And I just remember him telling a story one time, he said, you know, one of my favorite things to do when there was all this pressure about the national championship and the Heisman trophy, like, one of my favorite thing to do was go scuba diving. And just to like,

just be able alone, just get away. You know, and it just like, it really struck me because I was a six-round pick. You know, I wasn't like this big celebrity or anything like that. I'm like, you know, what? Like, really? Is that a thing? Like, why would that be important? And then, like, you know, then I'm the starting quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks for 10 years, and that's a way smaller scale than kind of what these other guys are dealing with. But I sort of got it. Yeah. Like there's nothing wrong with maybe just like taking some time away, kind of recharging. As long as you're communicating it like properly to the people that need to be communicated.

I like that take. But I don't know, that that was just, it struck me. Like I remember when Danny Wharfill said it. I was like, huh. Because at the time, I was sort of like, man, what's it like to be Danny Whirful? Well, and Aaron's got to do it in Green Bay. Can't go to the grocery store. We probably can't go anywhere, but.

Ex-Tech pads, Billick and you? Are those the guys? Well, you guys are investing. It's funny that you say Brian Billick, though, because I would say about 80% of the league is wearing the shoulder pad. This shoulder pad, I know about this shoulder pad. You know why? Because I wore them? No, because I didn't wear them.

Because they weren't around when I was choosing what to wear. But they've been around a long time, and there's a new design this year, but my son is a high school quarterback. And this is what he's in. And so, you know, in this. games, more than half the players in this Super Bowl will be wearing this, Devante Smith, A.J. Brown. They're lighter and safer. They're lighter. They're stronger. Like, I won't do it, but I could put these on you and swing a baseball bat, and you really wouldn't feel it. Yeah. Believe me, there's been players who want to do that.

Really? Is that a thing? But also, like, for a quarterback, and, like, we did this on our show this year because Justin Herbert had fractured some rib cartilage in his ribs or whatever. And I had had that injury, and it's a terrible injury, right? Like, you got to go play a football game with like sort of like essentially broken ribs. And so you can attach rib pads to it, you know, like to the shoulder pads, which that technology has been around, but you want the rib pads to be strong enough to, you know, take a big hit or something like that. So yeah, so anyway, Xtechpads.com for high school athletes. These are huge in college with big time college programs. And then big time players from Josh Allen to Daniel Jones to, you know, sort of you

name it at the quarterback position. But, um, and they're sleek. And they make. And they make a lot of make you feel fast, which is fast like Devante Smith. So there you go. Good to see you too. Great seeing you. What do you think? You like the color scheme? No, I like it. Okay. The game's evolving. I'm all for it. Not staying stuck in my place. And even like the helmet game's changing as well, too. You know, and I think like we're going to look back years from now and be like, I do that with my dad. So like my dad played nine years in the NFL. I have his shoulder pads and helmets from when he played. I'm like, did you really play with this equipment? He's like, I really did.

I'm like, okay. Well, now I feel like the game's safer than it's ever been. So there you go. Good to see you, Matt Hasselbeck. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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So you have lived a life of fame and branding. I mean, Notre Dame at the time was the best college program. in the country. Yeah, yeah. Pittsburgh was the biggest brand with the Cowboys in the country. And so you didn't have the fight, like chip on the shoulder. Yet, you had a great career. So much of this league, half the league is undrafted.

Right. So what made you so motivated? What, what pressurized you? Because you go Notre Dame first round, 30% of the first round busts. Yeah. You never, you just got better and better. Because what motivated me was, I was a first round. bullback in college. I had never played tailback. So when they drafted me and said, we're going to

play you at tailback, there was some question marks about can he play tailback? He's never done it before. So that was my motivation because every year I needed to be a better running back because like I didn't know how to spin move or stiff arm. I was just a tank. I was just running guys over. Boom, boom. So I had to learn how to make people miss and do. So that was my drive because everybody said, we think he's okay. So where did you get? Where did you get, like stylistically? He just steals.

I mean, we all do it in life. We have mentors. We have idols. What running back did you say, I like that move. I'm taking that. Growing up in Detroit, I saw Walter Payton. Best running back I've ever seen. 100%.

And I just saw how he never let one guy tackle him, right? So I'm saying to myself, I like that because that was his tenacity. It wasn't, he wasn't like this. Bessaman, or, you know, he had this sweet move. He was just sweetness, right? He just made everything go. So I watched him and said, you know what, I'm not going to let one guy take me down. I'll figure out, learn how to play the position, but I'm just going to take that same tenacity and just go with it. So I like Mike Tomlin a lot, but we have a trend happening in the NFL. When you played in your prime, the middle of the football field was for defense.

Receivers didn't want to go over there. That's right. It's all different now. Can't hit any. buddy. So every, even small running backs want to go over the back. Finesce tie ends. So, and I've said this, I like Mike Tomlin. He's a great leader and a motivator. But like Sean McDermott, can't get the O-line right, five years now. And I do worry that defensive coaches don't have the sensibility of offense. I don't love the O-C. I don't love the O-line. I don't love the offensive identity. Is it a fair criticism of Mike that he is a defensive mind, a defensive culture, the league has pivoted strongly, and that he has sometimes made mistakes or missed on

offense? 100%. I believe that is the case because when you look at the team, you say, well, what's the strength of this team? And 90% of the NFL, the strength of your football team is going to be your offense. And we look at this team, and they, They've got the pieces to be special. They've got a great tidy, and they got two ride receivers. They got a run. They've got it all. They got a quarterback.

But the question mark is, what type of offense are we? And it's been a question mark for the last three years. It's like, what are? You don't know what they are. Do you buy them? I do. I like him. Why?

Because we saw the last four weeks of the season, we saw his development. And he started to go out and win football games. And that's a hard thing to do in the NFL for a quarterback, a young quarterback, rookie quarterback, to go out in the last drive of the game, to drive your team down to a winning touchdown or a winning field goal. And he did it, I think, four times at the end of the year. And you've got to be special to do that. That's not something that just is in the handbook that says,

We do this. You've got to be special and make those plays, and he made them. Okay, let's go to Super Bowls. So we have the great quarterback with a young roster, and a young quarterback with a loaded roster. Super Bowls. Bill Romanowski told me, tough guy, he said, I don't remember the first two series of my first Super Bowl.

It was lights. I felt like I was going to pass out. I couldn't get my breath. You had been in so many big Notre Dame games, so many big Steelers games. Was the Super Bowl, though, different? It was. Anxiety-wise?

It was. Because what people don't realize is the lead-up to the game. It's so long. When you get to the stadium, you got like four hours, five hours, before you even play the game. normally you get to the you get to the stadium and in two hours you're on the field playing in the in the Super Bowl it's four or five hours you just sitting there you got pads on you're ready to go and then you get up for warm-ups and then you go back in

locker room for 45 minutes to an hour and then you come all the way back down and then you got to get up again so the coaches that have been in Super Bowls have an advantage because they know to tell the guy hey slow down let's not do a big warm up the first time because we've got to do this again in another hour. The coaches that don't have the experience go out there and they go as business as usual, but it's not business as usual. It's so different. Do you have a feeling? I said, I don't remember a Super Bowl. I started early on Philly. I do like Kansas City now. Andy Reed, Mahalms, been in the game. O lines better than people think defense spags is brilliant um what should i look for what was something in your super

bowl that none of the media people talked about are there these little elements in you're thinking after the game you're thinking man that i'll tell you what mattered in that game was blank the offensive line play in our game it mattered you didn't see being on the ground you didn't see him running for his life you never saw any of that so that when we played Seattle just, they couldn't get to the quarterback. And so it was the offensive line play was outstanding. In this game, it's going to be the same thing. If you see Mahomes running for his life, they lose.

Because he's got to be the guy that makes the plays. Their offense is predicated around him getting, pushing the ball down the field. They're not a three-step, get the ball out of your hands, offense, right? So because of that, their offensive line is going to have to protect three, four, five seconds. and it's asking a lot for that Eagles pass rush. So if that offensive line can protect Mahomes, then they beat the Eagles. If they cannot protect Mahomes,

and you'll know the first three or four plays in the game. You always do, don't you? You'll know right now. Remember the Patriots, it was Phoenix. The Patriots played the New York Giants. It was the stray hand. Yep. OCU and your talk.

First series, New England tried to get clever with a reverse, total penetration by the giants. And it was like, it was like just a gang, just like, boom. And you knew right then, you're like, oh.

I remember, because the first series, every giant was beating every patriot on the line. And you're like, this is the first series. This is the first series. And that really predicated the game.

No doubt. When we saw, when we saw my homes, when they played Tampa, the same thing. You saw Mahomes running for his life. The first drive, and you're like, he can't keep this up. There's no way he's going to be.

And they just dominated them. And so that's what you're going to see. You're going to know in the first three or four plays, if Mahomes can manage, then it's going to be a football game. If he's running around back there, they're in big trouble. All right. You've been with planters forever. Yeah.

Haven't you? Ten plus years? They have a new ad. They do. They've got a. great ad and it's it's a legendary ad for a legendary person mr peanut is he's he's going to be roasted and it's a great ad i'm not going to give too much comedy roasted yeah he's going to get roasted but you got to be a legend right to get roasted so if this is his moment uh he's going to get

roasted but it's going to be a great ad you got to watch it uh hall of famer it's great seeing you thank absolutely jerome i get you one to year uh best of luck to you and planners and thanks for by making the drive out here. I love watching you because you make everybody think. It's not just the normal way to look at things. You look at everything so differently, so I appreciate that. Thanks, man. No problem.

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I don't know if they're great. Mavs, of course, a couple days ago got Kyrie. They'll be better, but Luca and Kyrie don't play defense, so we'll see how that works out. But J-MAC now, very frenetic, very busy news. We will get to that. We'll get to the NBA shortly, Colin. Let's start with Dak Prescott. He drew plenty of Blaine.

for the Cowboys disappointing loss to the Niners. A couple picks. He led the league with 15 interceptions this season. Yeah, and he's not been an interception guy. But here's C.D. Lamb, defending Dak Prescott. I don't think anyone deserves the criticism that he gets. They're crazy. Why?

Why? Why? Why are you? I don't know. It's football. A lot of other people get paid to make plays. But the way that he gets talked about is crazy. Like, it's wild.

I don't think he deserves it. I think I think Dak gets the credit when he deserves it and the criticism. This year he got banged on because he threw 15 picks. When you're one of the highest paid players in the league, it comes with the territory, right? If you are the quarterback of Notre Dame or you are a quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys

of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the nation's paying attention to the Packers, and that's just part of the deal. If you play shortstop for the Yankees, if you're Kentucky basketball, John Calapari can win 25 games and he gets ripped. That's the reality of being part of a big brand. He's not a top 10 quarterback in the league, but he's paid like a top five quarterback, which is insane. All right, let's move on.

Second Story here. Brock Purdy obviously suffered the torn UCL in the NFC championship. He's going to have surgery later this month. They're expecting he'll be out for six months. Legendary, can I call him that? Legendary 49ers quarterback Joe Montana thinks Purdy should retain the job when healthy, but here he is explaining why he would not start Trey Lance. I don't think he's ready to take that.

caliber team, talented kid, and he might be partway through the year if he gets more starts. I don't know, but do you want to turn over a team that you want to get off to a great start with a guy where you still might have a question about? Here's the thing. In the history of the national footballing, in the entire history, find me the great quarterback, not passable, that when given an opportunity early, wasn't ready. Now, Aaron Rogers is the answer. Burrow, play, Herbert play, Mahomes, Year play, Lamar play, Big Ben, play.

Breeze, play. Now, Breeze got hurt. Overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly, you've got to be ready to go. And the longer it takes, the more apprehension I have. Now, I think Trey's got some talent, but we've got a lot of time here. Like, if you're not ready now, you're not going to be special. Can you give him some wiggle room where he played college, the COVID year? You know what?

I don't have time to wiggle. I'm a GM. I got to win games. That wiggle stuff sounds great. That's what you do in Little League. 10-year-old, let's wait until he's 11. I can wiggle around. This is pro football.

I don't have time to wiggle. You got to play. I gave up three picks, first rounders, or whatever it was. So it's not like he can't play. But here's the thing. Let me ask you this. It didn't look like he could play. Brock Purdy, seventh round.

Ready to play. But he's like a four-year college starter. Well, that's somebody. else's problem. He shouldn't have drafted Lance. If I'm drafting you in the first round, part of the draft is, hey, if things go sideways and you have to play, you got to be ready to play. Justin Herbert was on the sideline. Remember this? They were playing Kansas City in Mahomes. Tyrod Taylor had some puncture with a team doctor. They walked up to Herbert on the sidelines and said, yeah, you got to play against Mahomes. Now, go. And Herbert was great. You got to be a, well, he's, he's, you know,

played college here. This is professional football. You've got to be ready to go. I can't believe I'm being forced to defend Shrey Lance. The Shanahan system is tough. Take some time. Why isn't it tough for Brock Purdy? Well, because he went to college and played for three years.

It's not nuclear science. It's football. It's not that tough. I'm not a Lance guy just for the record. All right, final story, Colin. Listen, man, we've been on the air for almost three hours. There have been like 400 trades in the envy. I'm not even exaggerated.

So I don't even know where we'd be. begin here, but, you know, Mo Bamba is now in the Lakers. They ship Patrick Beverly to the Orlando Magic. So Bev's out. Pat Bev's gone. Finally. That'll make Nick Wright happen. Total disaster. I mean, Russell Westbrook and Patrick Beverly, two point guards who can't pass or can't shoot are gone. Good upgrade for the Lakers. Mo Bamba, I don't know where he fits in in the front court. They got size if A.D. gets hurt. Whatever. So the Pistons are sending Kevin Knox, a Kentucky guy, to the Warriors as part of the James Wiseman deal. Is he about 12 point a game guy?

I saw a stat. No, you see under that. Now, see a rotational guy. Barely. Yeah, not really. The real story here is James Wiseman. The Warriors, according to some salary cap guys, will save close to $131.0.

I saw that. I don't understand that. I don't need. I mean, you know, the luxury tax and the rookie deal, all that stuff kicks in. It's just been a wild, basically, hour here. here with trades. And here's the thing is you can bang on the Warriors for this. So, but here's the reality of the Warriors. They are the highest intellectual organization in the sport. The coach is

smart. The players are smart. The front office is smart. When you go to the Warriors, that's where they went and got Andrew Wiggins. Highly functional bright guy, fit. Like, it's hard for these young guys. Kuminga, Moody. It's hard. The Warriors are not built. for kids. They're just not. And I think Wiseman can play and I think he'll flourish. But Golden State,

you're talking about Steph and Clay and Kerr and Dremon. And it's all the, and Wiggins. It took, by the way, it took Kayvon Looney about three years.

For a long time, you didn't know what he was. Now he feels like, okay, he's in that tunnel. They went and got that Dante, the kid. Even Chenzo. Okay, again,

Villanova guy. Villanova guys go to college for three years. They come in mature to the NBA. Golden State is a big ask for a 19-year-old kid who played like five college games. Now, the one deal that I haven't seen happened yet is OG Ananobe looks like he's leaving Toronto, and Golden State is rumored to be a destination. They may get off Moody and Cominga. It hasn't happened yet, but there's speculation about it.

Ananobe is a great defensive wing, one of the better wings in the league. That would be big, obviously. And the only other trade I saw, Bones Highland, who's an instant offense guy on the Denver bench, is going to the Clippers. Oh. And are they getting rid of somebody? I don't like Denver trading a guy who now is going to be angry at you for trading him, because he wasn't playing a lot, but he's good. And now he goes to the Clippers who you could face in the playoffs. So I don't love that deal for Denver, but the West is absolutely stacked right.

All right. J-Mack with the news. Earlier in the show, I listed one through eight. I think the best teams in the West. Now, I am not predicting this is how they'll finish. I said, I believe this morning, give this about two weeks to bake and guys to play, the Western Conference, here's how I stack them. I think, and again, the trades aren't finished. Golden State and Phoenix have the two best starting fives in the West.

They don't play enough guys. They got no bench. But the playoffs are about stars. Everybody shrinks the rotation. After that, I think it feels like Clippers Memphis. They have deep benches, but not quite the star power. As everybody rolls their eyes at me, after that, I'm Lakers, Denver. I love one piece.

I love LeBron and I love Yokic. I don't know if I'm going to get postseason stuff from DeAngelo Russell or Michael, whoever. I don't know what I'm getting there. And then I think two teams in the West that are great stories, I'm not convinced there'll be great teams, Sacramento and Dallas. I think Dallas is dynamic and fun to watch on TV. But Luca and Kyrie play. Hey, no defense.

So, they go in pairs. Best two starting fives. Depth, coaches I love, Memphis and the clips, lack a little star power. Lakers Nuggets, each a star, don't think they're championship teams. Kings Mavericks, better story than team, really fun to watch. Who's got the best,

Most talented one-two punch of those top eight, Colin. It's pretty obvious. Sitting there at number eight, Luca Donchich, the best player in the NBA, and Kyrie Irving, probably the best. You hated the trade an hour ago. I didn't like the trade long term because I don't like Kyrie Irving. He's a toxic member in the locker room.

But without question, Luca Donch's best player, and those two are going to dominate. You've got them way low at eight. Let's just file this away for, you know, May 15. So I like the deal, but have him an eight. You hated the deal. Now you think they're under value. Yes, exactly.

Does that make any sense? your wife has a lot of work to do with you. Yes. That's a, that's a. All right. This was fun today. We got security helicopters flying around. Maybe we'll win tomorrow.

I got Gail Force wins. I got Skip's audience and Nick and Broussard and Kevin Wilde's audience. A lot going on here in Arizona. I still don't know who I like in the game. Sorry. I don't. Eagles. Well, I'm leaning Kansas City.

It is a slight lean. Couple of weeks. Andy Reed, Mahomes is healthier. That's where I fall today. And I found my phone. I know you don't care about that, but that made the day great. Jerome Bettis, Matt Hasselbeck, Nick Wright,

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