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Episode Date: August 10, 2023

He talks to Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram about playing for Nick Saban and alongside Lamar Jackson during his NFL career Colin's thoughts on Phil Mickelson allegedly wagering over $1 billion over the past three decadesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to The Heard Podcasts. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Dionne Sanders, Coach Prime, is coming to the biggest season opener college football is seen in years. As is Colorado Buffalo's based national powerhouse TCU.

Big Noon Saturday on Fox starts September 2nd. Well, the newest voice on Big Noon is Mark Ingram, three-time pro bowler, Heisman winner, Bama's first Heisman winner, 12 NFL seasons. You remember them with the Saints and the Ravens in a quick time. with the Texans. It's an absolute pleasure. So let's start with Dion. We are seeing this in the NBA.

A few years ago, I remember when Jason Kidd may have been a decade ago got a job right out of playing. And it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then Steve Nash, and you're seeing it in football. Some of these college guys, Eddie George is now coaching college football. So here's Dion. It's not a program with a lot of funds or a lot of talent. What should I expect, Mark Ingram, first year from Colorado?

I think it's going to be a lot of ups and downs. I mean, he had the most turnover on the roster this season, out the transfer portal. But I think that's what you need coming into a new program. They had the worst record in the country last year. And you want to get guys in your program that want to be there. So one of the first things he did when he went in there, he told me to me, and he was like, listen, you better jump in that portal because I'm bringing my luggage. I'm bringing my luggage in his Louis.

You know what I mean? So, like, if you don't want to be here, you got to go. I want guys who want to be here, who want to play for Colorado, who want to play for Coach Prime. And I think that's part of the culture shift. You can have Shadur Sanders out there, quarterback, a lot of potential, his son, Travis Hunter, wide receiver quarterback. Oh, he's great. So, like, those type of players create a culture and create a standard.

And so hopefully, what Prime is teaching them, what Shadur has to offer to the team, what Travis Hunter brings to the table, hopefully those players follow suit. And I think Coach Prime can get it turned around. It's going to take some time, but, yeah, I think he can do it. Well, the portal certainly helps. I mean, Brian Kelly, first year now at LSU, you're like, whoa. He even took Nick Saban kind of year two, year three to get it going. So Big Noon kickoff Mark Ingram from those listening on radio.

So let's talk about realignment. I think Colorado actually, there's an argument fits the Big 12 better. Utah going now and joining the Big 12 with BYU. That's a good fit. But there's some realignment people don't love. Your takeaway is you love the sport of college football, but you get the business side of the sport. How do you view realignment Huskies, Ducks just added to the Midwest Conference of Note Big Ten? I think the realignment could be good for fans.

Like, I mean, now you got USC playing Michigan, Penn State playing USC. Like, you got all these big games. You got Texas playing Alabama. So you have all these big games that people want to watch. I do. You know what I mean? So I think, you know, for tradition and history, you know, it could be a little whatever. But I think everyone's getting more marquee matchups from the realignment.

Now, I mean, who doesn't want to go to the Big Ten where the school is getting 80 to 100 million. So, you know what I mean? Who doesn't want to go to SEC where you're getting 70 million per school when they were only getting 30 million in the pack? You know what I mean? So as a business, do you get mad at that making that decision? But at the same time, it just shows you, like, kind of hypocritical because they didn't want players making their own money, you know, from NIL. You know what I mean? So you're making all this money at dispense of the athletes that got to travel all these maladages.

You know what I mean? So class. Yeah. So we'll see, man. I think it's good for the game, but obviously, you know, you put some of the athletes that got a code from the West Coast now to the Midwest, you know, especially like the non-football schools. I mean, the non-football sports, you know what I mean? So I think it's going to be a challenge, but I think it's good. I think we get a lot more key matchups that everyone will enjoy to watch.

Yeah. So Jim Harbaugh, I think this is Jim Harbaugh's best team. And I've always felt that there's three or four schools in America. Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, LSU, they just get better players. Michigan gets really good players and occasional stars, but I kind of consider the Buckeyes, LSU, Bama, Georgia. It's just different. I would agree.

Even Clemson, as good as they are, doesn't get that level. It's more a Michigan class. But I don't know. I start looking at the NFL draft next year. They're like 15 Michigan guys. Is this Michigan team, do you think they could go toe to toe with Bammer, Georgia. If they have any opportunity to do it, it is now. You have JJ McCarthy coming back. You have Blake Corm, Donovan Edwards, who I think is a super

underrated running back. I think in Blake Corms, as he was averaging like 160 rush yards per game. He comes out to backfield, has a smooth hand. The defense was one of the top ten defenses the last two years. So you have Harbaugh teaching these guys to play physical, playing smart, and you have just half your starters coming back, over half your starters coming back. I think the time is now for Michigan. You know, another thing, when you were the first Heisman winner in Alabama history, and you were very good the year before. Like you didn't just, you know, and I look at Caleb Williams.

He plays quarterback. And like Bama, USC's a big high profile program. They were talking about you. I knew you were the topic. And it was a lot of that because they'd never want a Heisman, I don't believe. You were the first, right? So you were a topic, like eight weeks of the year, it was like, this is the best Bama player. with Caleb Williams, LA quarterback, did it affect you?

Did you hear it? Did you have to, what did Nick say to you as it became, the program became about Mark Ingram for about six to eight weeks? What's it like to live in that fishbowl? Well, I didn't have even a chance to really enjoy it. I remember leaving the hall in New York, Coach Saban's like ripping me. Like, you know, this is going to be changed. Everything is going to be different.

Like you can't, you know, let your approach change. You can't let it change your preparation. Like, we still got to go to the national. championship, like, you can't let it affect you. It's going to be all these people reaching at you. So he was, like, already on me. Like, as soon as I left the Heisman ceremony, like, he's already on me. So I didn't really have a chance to get comfortable, but because he always was thinking

about what was next. Okay, so you won the Heisman, what you're going to do now? Now it's time to win that championship. Heism has won a national championship. So, you know, you need to be a Heisman. You need to win a national champion. And now after you win that champion, like, okay, you're coming back next year. What are we going to do next year?

Everyone's going to be shooting for you. So I think it's about the people around you keeping you. motivated, keeping you humble. It's not about what you've done, it's about what you're going to do. And I still had to go back my junior year. I wanted to be great. I wanted to get drafted to the NFL. So you still have so much things to play for, so much things to work for. You want to bring a championship to your team. So I think Caleb Williams has that mindset. He brought his line into the Heismus ceremony. So that tells you a lot about the type of person he is, giving credit to those big guys. And I think he's humble. I think he's gifted. I think he's

athletic. He has all the tools to be able to be special. and have the opportunity to win again. Yeah. But it's a lot. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to go back out there and win it again. You got everyone shooting for you.

There's going to be other players that step up and have great seasons for their team. So we'll see. I'm eager to see about how he goes in the second season, but I think he'll handle it just fine. Yeah, a smart kid, good dad. He's focused. All right, let's do some NFL stuff. So you had Sean Payton as a coach. Sean won with Taysam Hill, who's a runner more than a thrower.

He won with Drew Brees, who's a thrower more than a runner. He won with smaller Teddy Bridgewater and bigger athletic James Winston. The dude wins with every quarterback. So now it's Russell Wilson, who's a star, who's aging, who likes to throw the deep ball, moves around, sometimes maybe too much for Sean's taste. So give me your sense on at this camp, what do you think the messaging for Sean is with that offense and Russell Wilson? I think the main thing is they need to get back to what makes Russell

well. So Sean has his offense. Sean has what he's going to do, and he's going to implement that to Russell, but he's also going to think he's going to do some things that Russell was really good at when we saw him in Seattle. What's that? You've got to be able to run the football. You've got to be able to run the football. Play action, yes is better. And you have, you play action

him, and then he could take his shots downfield. And then what else did he do? All scheduled plays, break and the tackle, slivered her out the pocket, finding somebody downfield or stand in plays with his legs. So you need to just get back to a simple offense that Russell can thrive in, running the football, Marshawn Lynch. You remember those days? Yes.

Yeah. Tough defense, which they have in Denver. So I think he's settled for success, but it's going to be – you got to get Russ comfortable. You got to get Russ going. And he's going to implement some of the things that Russ is good with the play action, the off-schedgedle plays, moving them around. He's going to implement that within the current system. He has been running with Drew Brees with –

Taysam Hill? Yeah, with Taisam Hill, with James. So he can navigate the offense and tailor it to your skill set. And I think that's what Sean's going to do in this training camp. Yeah, that's what Andy Reizzo has done. He finds your talent, Michael, Vic, Mahomes, Alex Smith, and moves into it. So you played with Lamar Jackson. Lamar's interesting.

So I didn't know if he was going to work in the NFL. He was so insanely fast in college. I'm like, is the ACC bad or see the world's fastest human? And I just didn't know. He was the end of the first round. A lot of people passed on him. Then he comes in. he's kind of more of a runner than a thrower, but by the second year, I'm like, he can throw.

He's fine. It's not pretty, but Philip Rivers wasn't pretty. It was a different throwing. So you're with him, and so they bring in a new offensive coordinator, and I still believe first impressions matter, and our first impression for a lot of people of Lamar is runner. And my argument is, I think he throws it way better than you people think. First of all, outside of the tight end, receiving corps has been. and it's been run centered.

So what do you make? Now, the word is they're bringing Odell Beckham, if he's healthy, he's good, Zay Flowers, the kid they draft. Did you think when you were there, did you trust Lamar as a thrower? I was super surprised because you hear all these, you hear all these stories and rumors

that how he can't throw, right? And so I'm coming from New Orleans eight years with Drew Brees. I've seen him make every throw, you know, and I go. go to Lamar now, and we're in offseason, we're doing OTAs and stuff. I'm seeing him make every throw. The deep outs, the deep ball, crossing routes,

cross and routes, cover two turkey hole. I'm like, seeing him make every throw. I'm like, what are these people talking about? This dude has talented arm as anybody. Now, sometimes, yeah, every quarter, yeah, sometimes he changes his arm angles. You know what I mean? So he can get the ball. He can navigate, but he's a special thrower.

Now he's an elite ball carrier. So when he starts running the ball, he's not just a quarterback that can run. He's an elite ball carrier, a Tyree kill, a returner, a Debo Samuel. Like, he's electric, physical, and he can run, but he is also special with his arm. He can throw the ball. What's he like as a guy? One of the things I like about him, every time he comes back every offseason, his

traps are bigger, so he puts in the time. Jalen Hirsch does this. And the other thing I like about him, he gets pissed when he struggles. Like, he wants to win. Like, he gets mad at Lamar. What is he like as a guy? He's one of those guys, man. That's why you can't say nothing bad about Lamar Jackson to nobody in that Baltimore

Ravens locker room. They will be at you for that. They will fight you for that because he's one of those guys. They will go to war for him and they want to fight for him because they want to support him. They want to see him do well because he's a hard worker. He's special. He's talented. And he's just one of the guys, man. He's one of the guys. He kicks it. He hangs out. He's just, he's Lamar. He's a hard worker. You got to respect his story, man. So Lamar's one of those guys. And you can't go around any Baltimore Ravens player or any player who has played with Lamar Jackson and say anything bad about Lamar. Yeah, they love him. Yep, because he's that guy. He's that guy. Okay, so the Travis A-TN played at Clemson, and now he's with Jacksonville, and he had a very interesting quote for a young guy.

He had great perspective about two weeks ago. I think I was off or something. I saw it on TV. And he said, man, you got to diversify. He said, if you think you're going to be a downhill runner, those days are over. And I thought that's a really good perspective. It's not that people are anti-running back, but you got to block. You got to catch.

That's why McCaffrey's still getting the bag. So you look at it, you could do all that. How do you view the current running back space and the belief that nobody wants to pay them? You do have to diversify your game. You have to be able to do everything. But at the same time, we have a player like Austin Eckler who probably had the second amount, the second most catches on his team getting paid less than the number two, number three receiver.

So what are we doing? Like, the production hurts the running back. Running back runs for 2,000 yards. They're like, oh, he's not going to do it again. He's worn down. You a receiver catch for 2,000, they're like, yo, let's pay him. You know, somebody gets 20 sacks. They're like, oh, let's pay him.

But you get 250 carries and 100 catches, 350 touches. They're like, I think he's worn down. I don't know how much longer he can last. So it just sucks. It's unfortunate. Every other position, the franchise tag has went up since 2015. The running back position is only one down since 2015. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yes. The running back position has been down since 2015. So it sucks what they're doing to the running back market, but I mean, what can we do? Like, you're under CBA, the GMs, the owners, like, they're the only paying a certain amount to the running back. So it sucks, man, especially when you got guys like Josh Jacobs who just led the League of Russian or Sequin Barkley. Now he's only on a one-year deal. You know, you get hurt. Now they want you for league minimum, you know what I mean?

So you need to take care of these star players. I mean, Daniel Jones is whatever got $90 million. Like, why you can't take care of your guys? who's been, you know, the offense. Then the offense. You don't want to take care of them. You know what I mean? It's just highly unfortunate, and I'm rooting for my running back brothers all around the

league, man, because they got to get the money. You've got to have the leverage. You've got to be doing everything the right way. You've got to go to a system that likes you, a system that likes you, a coach that likes you, and everything has to go right for you in order for you to get paid. So it's just, it sucks. Four, I'm going to mention four coaches. And just give me a sentence on when I give you their name,

Like, what's their secret sauce? Like, what's their thing? So let me give you. Let's start with Sean Payton. He's a players coach. He kind of has a great temperature for the team and how to either motivate the team, recover the team.

He just has a great gauge for the team and how to motivate them. Okay. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream,

this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Nick Saban. Perfectionist. Yeah. And if you're not doing what it takes to be perfect on a daily basis, both on the field and off the field, he's going to have a problem with you.

Do they ever yell at you? Yeah, he did. You were one of his best players. He yelled at you. Yeah, he yelled. Like, mad because I'm running too hard. Like, I'm like, you guys are teared off on us. You don't tell them to chill when they hit us.

Like, you know what I mean? You mad at me because I'm running hard. Like, no, but, you know, um. Yeah, he'll get on you, but it's all for the best. He wants you to be the best person in life and the best player on the field. So he's going to push you for that perfection. This will be interesting to me. I don't know him personally, but I know his brother, John Harbaugh.

He's tough, tough. You can tell he comes from a coach and family. And, you know, your coach's personality kind of resonates with your team. And, you know, he's kind of like, was a special team's coach. He's tough. You know what I mean? So Raven's tough, defense, tough football, tough running the game. tough quarterback. No, Mike Tomlin.

The Raven, Mike Tomlin. Tough, dude. Yeah. Are you asking me? No, I'm saying Harbaugh. John Harbaugh reminds me at Tomlin. I mean, it's the AFC North, man. The AFC North is different. It's tough. It's physical. It's real true football. You knew it when you were there. You could feel, you could sense it. You could feel when you don't play in the AFC North, because when you play the AFC North, you have to play the, like, when you play the FC North, you go to these teams. Two of them come to you, but you have to go to either Pittsburgh or Baltimore or Cincinnati or Cleveland. It's just tough, man. It's physical. And it's just, it's real football.

It's real football in the AirC North. And finally, I don't know about him. He's giant, Dan Campbell. Man, you just got to love that dude. You love that dude, man. You love that dude. He was with me in New Orleans. And, man, when he gets up there, he just commands the room.

Like, you respect him because he's done it. You respect him because he respects you. And you know he's going to do whatever it takes to put you in the best position to have success. So, man, you just love that dude. You love Dan Campbell. He's one of them guys. you love to be around. You want to go have a beer with them.

You want to hang with them. But you want to run through a wall for them, too, because you want them to do well. We want to have success for them. So, you know, I think about this. I was told this years ago by an executive in the NFL. He said, if you're the Saints or Miami, you have to draft more mature players because they're party towns.

They're port towns. Right? Yeah. So Miami Dolphins, New Orleans, those are. Miami's a lot more active than New Orleans is, but you can get in trouble in New Orleans. New Orleans. you have to do a lot to get in trouble in the one. Yeah, they take care of the saints out there, man.

Okay, they do. They take care of the saints out there. Even if you did something a little sideways, nobody's saying anything. They're going to try to take care of you. If you did something crazy sideways, like, it's nothing they could do. But, like, if you just... You're having too many beers. Yeah, you're good.

You're good. You're good. You're good. Okay. Miami, now you didn't play there, but you live around there. South Florida is a different monster, man. So you know guys that have played there? Yeah.

I mean, Toronto, Austin. is one of my good friends. He's down there. They're starting left tackle. What do they say? I mean, if you want to, in Miami, there's something to do every night of the week.

If you want to go out Monday, you can. If you want to go out Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, there's some function going on every night of the week. So you have to be able to have self-control. You have to be able to be disciplined. And you have to be able to know there's a time and a place for everything because it's available to you, whatever you want. That's a great way to put it.

It's available to you. Yeah. What a pleasure. Mark Ingram, Fox Sports, college football analysts. Welcome to the family. Hey, I'm a pleasure to be a part of the family. Shout out to Big New Kickoff. Make sure y'all tune in. Check us out every Saturday. All right. That's great. Yes, sir. Where to go? You crushed. Thank you. Mark Ingram. Ryan with the news.

No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Speaking of South Florida, we've seen a lot of top five and top 10 list this off season and into training camp. Tyree Kill is the latest to make a list. naming his top five wide receivers of all time. He made one big omission on his list, and here's what he had to say. My people get mad at me because I don't put Jared Rice in my category. I love Jerry Rice. He played a long time in the NFL, you know.

He's like the alpha of our position. But I feel like, man. He wasn't playing in that sweet spot when you were coming through, right? He wasn't playing in the sweet spot where I was able to watch. See, I was able to beat my rookie year. Watch Prime AB go out there and go for like 200. I think Calvin Johnson in my lifetime is the most underrated receiver. Was Calvin in his list?

I'm a huge Calvin Johnson fan. I don't know if Calvin made his list. Randy Moss, I think I heard, made his list. I did an event once with Calvin Johnson. Maybe the nicest guy I've ever met that was a pro athlete. And gigantic. I don't know how a corner covered. He was like Cam Newton's size.

I have no idea how five, nine corners covered Cal. Okay, so here it is. Antonio Brownwell, Antonio's numbers already were amazing. Tori Holtz great, Calvin Johnson, Randy Masterello. I don't, you know, I think Jerry Rice is the best I've ever seen, but that's a pretty good group. Oh, yeah, absolutely. The Antonio Brown thing is going to be so fascinating to look back on his whole career, because, yeah, there was a stretch that Tyreek was alluding to where,

unquestionably, he was the best receiver in the league or the second best receiver for like a five-year stretch. The way everything came unraveled at the end was seriously going to make people question his credentials. It unravels for a lot of receivers late in their career because it is the basketball position of the league. You break the huddle first. It's kind of mono-a-mano. It's you against the DB. You don't need a left tackle blocking. I mean, it's largely you are an independent contractor breaking the huddle, going to the sideline, making.

And by the way, it's the only position when you're covered, throw the ball up. So like there's a potential turnover. You have to go be a playmaker. And so I think a lot of those guys see themselves sort of independently of structure and you know they want the ball I get it Stefan Diggs now wants the ball. Sure of course Jerry Rice I think has to be on the list of that

that's kind of... You know Jerry what's amazing about Jerry Rice and again that's kind of in my wheelhouse J-Mack would hate me talking about this although he was 80s is that he he wasn't a burner like if you looked at his 40 time it wasn't 4-3 yet I never

saw anybody catch him from behind. He was the first guy I noticed that in his routes, he ran the exact same speed into his route, during his route, and out of his route. He never changed speeds. He didn't break. He didn't stutter step. He didn't set up the route. He ran fast. Start, break, route, catch, go. And it's one of the first. And he was also long, so he was a long strider. So he almost looked like a track guy when he got the ball in his hands. But it is amazing. You go back and look at all the combine numbers. He was fast, but he wasn't like Dion's speed. And if I said to you, yeah, the greatest receiver of all time, first thing you would think of is, oh, he must be just a burn. Antonio Brown's a burner, right? And he wasn't T.O. size. He wasn't

Antonio Brown fast. He was just the perfect route runner. I would almost call him elegant. The game was smooth and elegant. And he came from a small... I never saw him play a single college game. He played in a small college, goes into high profile, and he lasted forever, it felt like. The Lions are one of the hotter teams heading into this season,

but their defense will need to step up after finishing with the NFL's worst total defense last season. One of the keys will be the growth of last year's second overall pick, Aidan Hutchinson, who finished with nine and a half sacks and three picks. Dan Campbell believes he will be even better in 2023.

I feel like he's got more in his toolbox. And he was already a confident player, but you can just see he is, you know, he has a ton of confidence. And you see these tools coming out that have elevated his game, you know. So, you know, he's got a counter move. He's got a spin. He's got a bull. Just he's violent shedding the run game.

He sets an edge. He's a big man. he's got a high motor. He's taking it up a notch. That's what you want to see. I like Dan Campbell. I may have my questions about it, but I like Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell and Mike Tomlin,

if you could pick two coaches to have a beer with and just say, can we just talk football for a half hour? I mean, it'd be hard. I've had beers with Peyton. Some of these guys have so many stories. Peyton's the great storyteller. Pete Carroll would live. literally talk so fast, you couldn't understand him. He's going to 1,000 miles an hour.

And then Tomlin and Campbell would just be a presence. I feel like Dan Campbell and Mike Tomlin have a presence. Mike Frable's got a little bit of it. Like they'd like the stepdad you don't want to see in a bad mood. Like just you just like to make sure that they're in a good mood all the time. We'll wrap up with this. Phil Mickelson has been known to be heavily involved in sports gambling, but we're getting a little more detailed look after excerpts from a professional gambler, Billy Walters' book, were reported yesterday, saying Mickelson has bet more than $1 billion on football,

basketball, and baseball over the past three decades, even allegedly attempting to place a $400,000 wager on Team USA in the 2012 Ryder Cup, which Mickelson was participating in. Walters added that from 2010 to 2014, mickleson made 858 bets of $220,000 and $1,11515 bets of $110,000, estimating that Mickelson endured losses of about $100 million. Okay, so here's my takeaway. He wagered over a billion, but only lost $100 million.

Yeah, that's... Like, that's not... He's actually really good. Is he actually the world's best better? So, yeah, like he's the world's best better. So here, take the Rider Cup bets out because that feels inappropriate, right? Take that out. This guy was making $30 to $50 million a year.

What do I care if he bets $100 grand? What do I care on football games? It means nothing to me. Now, no, no. The writer, now, now, it's fascinating. The book's going to be fascinating. I can't wait to read it. And I read the Alan Shipnuck book on Phil.

He's just a lot. Like Phil's a lot to unpack. I would say he's a consumer. Food, alcohol, wine, gambling. It's his personality. He's a big swing guy. And I think my takeaway, take the Ryder Cup bet out and you say he's wagered over a billion dollars. Okay, it's a lot.

But he's not broke. He's, right? And the other thing is his income, I don't think the fans understand this. His income is like Leonardo DiCaprio or like one of these guys that makes you have 40 million a year. every year. So $100,000 bets, if you're decent at it, I know, I should be just furious. And my takeaway is, I'm not, I'm kind of surprised at the Ryder Cup stuff, right? Sure. Yeah, that's obviously going to be in a completely different category of. But the Alan Shipnuck book called Phil, is, it's short and fascinating and well-researched.

And I told Alan when I read the book, I know I saw a lot of warts. I don't know if I like like Phil less. I almost like him more. He's just so authentic and so all in. So he's flawed. It's very weird with Phil Michael. He's the only guy I've never interviewed in this business that I want to interview. And he's just a huge personality. But like John Daly's life went off the rails, Phil's just big at everything. Betting, food, drink, personality jokes, live. He's just a huge enormous personality. So I think outside of the Ryder Cup thing, I'm like, yeah,

I'm not shocked by that. Am I wrong on that? No, I think it's sort of what we've come to known Phil as, which is sort of this relatable every man with a lot of bank. Tiger was just this completely different. Tiger had secrets. Tiger had secrets.

Phil's like, yeah, I can see him betting a billion dollars. Like, I'm not surprised at all. The Ryder Cup thing feels wrong. But that's, remember, golf's not a league. The golf's not an NBA player betting on the NBA. PGA is a charity. So you say to yourself, I can't believe he would bet on it.

PGA tours a charity. It's not a league. It's not NASCAR. It's not NFL, NBA, MLS, Major League Baseball. It has a commissioner, but it was a charity. PGA doesn't even run the Masters, the British Open, the U.S. Open. And then run it. There's two PGAs.

There's PGA of America. There's a PGA that runs the PGA championship. So I don't know how it lands for me, but it lands predictably for me. I can't wait to read the book, but I'm like, yeah, that's what Phil would do. A billion dollars. Ryan with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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The Ryder Cup is not the U.S. Open. It's not the British Open. It's the Ryder Cup. And it's different. I also think that some athletes are a gift. Tiger Woods gave me 12 years of getting me to a TV set. The Sopranos and Tiger Woods are about the only thing outside of the NFL to get me to a television on Sunday nights.

like that's the power of Tiger. Tiger gave me so many great late Sunday afternoons watching Tiger win tournaments. Tiger has flaws. What a gift he's been in my viewing life as a consumer. Phil Mickelson, this will be the second or third book I've read on him. Fascinating character, not perfect. Had the courage to go out years ago and criticized the tour for not taking care of its best golfers. The guy gambles a lot. And he makes a lot. And he makes a lot. enormous amounts of money and continues to do that. There's only two or three golfers on the planet. When they're playing and winning a major, I am glued to a TV.

Brooks Kepka, Rory McElroy, who hasn't won as much as many of a study with Phil Mickelson. I would say Tiger, but I think we're out of that space. Phil Mickelson, I like Dustin Johnson a lot, Rory McElroy and Brooks Kepka. So, I mean, we can sit here and bang on Phil. I cannot wait to read the book, but Phil is a bigger than life consumer and character, and he is fascinating. And guess what? Truth is, most of the fascinating guys got a lot of baggage.

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