The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Philip Rivers stops by with some legendary trash talk, Shedeur Sanders Named Starter

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

Colin talks to 8-time Pro Bowl QB Philip Rivers about his legendary trash talk as a player, using new technology, and why he always admired Brett Favre More on Shedeur Sanders starting in the Browns first preseason game and why people are overreactingSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First round picked by the Giants, traded for Eli Manning on draft day, and they both end up having absolutely remarkable careers. He is now the football coach and has been for several years in Alabama at St. Michael Catholic. His son now is the quarterback and a good one. Philip Rivers is now joining us live today. You know, I've got to tell the audience. I've never seen your son play. But his name is Gunner Rivers, and I'm telling you right now, that's a franchise quarterback

name. I would draft him sight unseen on that, just on the name. Now, you were a trash talker, and you had a different delivery. Does he have your kind of sidearm delivery? Is he a little trash talker? Does he have some of the Philip Rivers classic traits? Hey, Colin, how's it going? Yeah, no, he definitely has some of the same traits. He's a little more traditional throwing the football than I was, but a lot of people see him throw

and go, dang, you throw just like your dad. So he has a little bit of that. I guess it's just genetic. And then he's a little more reserved than I am. He has the fire and passion for the game, but I think he's got his mom's calmness, which will probably serve him well. I think everybody, very few people had your intensity on the field. You know, it's amazing. You were a trash talker, but players, even opponents loved you. Did you think your intensity? You're obviously talented.

Did you think your passion and intensity was your best trait? It was probably one of them. I think, you know, I had to a little bit tow the line. I probably crossed the line a few times. You know, I think there's a, there's a, you know, a line that you don't want to cross to where you maybe are not helping yourself or your team. So I'm sure that I didn't always keep that in check. But I do think that the passion and the fire and the intensity was genuine.

I don't think. I know it was genuine. And I do think it was felt by our teammates. And in some regard helped fuel kind of our personality and our resiliency and how we went about the game. And then you mentioned our opponents. And I hope, you obviously gain respect of your opponent over doing it for a long period of time. So maybe not early on, but I think as time grew, you gained that respect, and they realized, man, this dude loves to play football.

And that's really all it was. There's a guy playing football in the backyard. And I just never let that leave me, although we were playing, you know, in front of, you know, a million people there on a Sunday afternoon. You know, you told me one time, and I've used this whenever I give a speech, I always say the great Philip Rivers told me he liked the process of building the game plan as much as the game. and can you instill that in your son or a young quarterback or do you think that was just your dad was a football coach do you think that's god-given and innate that you loved practice i can you if a guy some of these quarterbacks i think like the game i'm not sure they love practice can you teach that or did you feel that was just in you from day one well i do think that there was a uh some of that was just in me

but I think you better grow to love it, to love the process, especially play in this position, you know, if you want to be great and, you know, and maybe I didn't get to great, but I know I was pretty dang good for a long time, and I don't think you can get there if you just think you're going to, you know, show up and go out there and play for three and a half hours on a Sunday afternoon. And so, you know, the process of every day and the chance to be on the grass with your buddies, practicing football, you know, and sitting in a meeting room and figuring out, out, you know, spags's blitz patterns and Rex Ryan's blitz patterns and all these and like figuring out how we're going to get this thing picked up to throw a touchdown to Antonio Gates.

I mean, that's that's, that's what is, that's a blast or even a third down conversion versus Zimmer's, you know, a double mug scheme. I mean, those things were so fun to work on all week. And then when it came to in the game, you know, there were some, some of the most gratifying plays on a Sunday afternoon were the ones the fans didn't even realize, but it was the, but the behind the scenes preparations, you know, and it's those, those, those, the Saturday morning walk. through, the bus rides, all those things that lead up to the game, I certainly love to play. I loved the games and running out of the tunnel and all those things that I used to ask my mom and dad, hey, introduce me. You know, I'm coming out and we're playing soever, you know, whoever, and they would introduce me and I'd come running out down the hall, you know, getting introduced. So I love that part. I'll be clear on that. But it was the process that made that part so special. And so I just don't know how you play quarterback and don't, aren't all in on the

process if you're trying to be, you know, trying to be, you know, one of the best. You know, it's, I have said this, one of the things I do think you can become more accurate with coaching. I think your footwork can improve with coaching. But there is one thing that I just think is innate. Certain quarterbacks, Mahomes, you could see this instantly. Patrick can see the field. He just sees the field. You did. Breeze did. Brady, obviously. did. And then I'll watch some young guys and I'm like, I don't know if they, I don't know if they can see it. Like, and I know there's a film study. Did you get, did you always have that? Because you were a good high school, college coach. The ability to, and I've heard this said about you and I've heard this

said about Peyton and Brady, that when a play was over, you could look at the right side of the field and yet you knew what was going on and could see the left side of the field without staring at it. the great quarterbacks have this innate ability they just there's a rhythm to the secondary and i guess my question is are there can you teach that you had an innate feel for the position are there some things philip that aren't teachable yeah i mean i think that i think yes i mean i think there's certain things that and talents that so many guys have and so many different positions that are God-given ability. And you can, like you said, I agree 100%.

You know, we got to clean up some footwork. We got to clean up some fundamentals. We can clean up how you're reading this. Maybe your eyes are just in the wrong place. But there are some things, you know, being able to have to be accurate. You can work on accuracy. Some people just, they can throw all day long and they just aren't very accurate. And, you know, accuracy, anticipation, and to be able to see it all and process it fast,

definitely you can improve it, but you're probably in a window. You know, someone that can't do that, you can't get them to an elite level. Someone that's pretty dang good at it, maybe you can get them to really good at it. But you can't. I don't think you can, there's certain parts of playing the position that you can't make vast improvements. And some guys, like you mentioned, Mahomes, and we could go on and on of talking about guys. They're at a certain level already that they are able to process and do those things, coached or not a coached.

And then now you throw in Andy Reed and some of the other coaches he's had, and now in the experience that he's gained, and then you can take him to an even higher level, but he was already pretty dang a lead at it. So I do agree with you on those things. And, you know, it's funny because, and everybody has their process. You know, me and Drew were teammates.

We got to connect this weekend. It was great to see Drew, and we had such a different process in terms of our daily routine, but yet they were both. They both worked, and there's some similarities. But I say that not to mention this about Drew, We all have our different routines, but I used to, I wasn't big looking at the iPad off the, you know, coming off the field.

Now, I would go look at it to see or see the pictures to confirm maybe or, dang, maybe they fooled me. I need to go see it. But a lot of times, you know, it was kind of a running joke. I'd say, I saw it live, guys. I just saw it live. I don't need to come back over here and look at it again. I know I should have gone the other way, you know?

So, and again, and that went in an arrogant way. It was just, I saw it live, you know, and so certain. I use those tools as needed over there. But yeah, there is definitely some of that. And I say it in humility because shoot, I threw it to the other team, you know, shoot 200 times or however many times. So I certainly take all right decisions. But I feel like I did have that ability to see it and process it quickly

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Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I have this, I wrote about this in my first book. I've had this theory forever, that most of the great quarterbacks, at one point, North Carolina State had three starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and Cal had two or three, and USC and Ohio State had none. That there's an argument to be made that when you play at a North Carolina State or a Cal

or a Miami of Ohio or a Purdue, that's real life in the NFL. You're getting hit. The windows are small. These USC guys are throwing a wide open wide receivers. You're not doing that at Duke. You're not doing that at NC State. That I think it was an advantage for you to go to NC State. instead of an Ohio state

because the NFL truth is discomfort. Nobody's that open. You don't get great protection. You're getting hit constantly. I used to joke. I remember Matt Linerd at USC. One year he got sacked 11 times. He may have just fallen down half of those.

He barely got touched. I'll give you an example. J.J. McCarthy always played with a lead. Michigan, a perfect offensive line. I worry about J.J. three years with hardball or two years with hardball, he barely got touched. Do you think there's an advantage

getting beat up a little bit in college like Mahomes or Josh Allen, then going to the NFL? Yeah, I mean, when you, yeah, I'm sold based on that minute of you saying that. I'd never thought of it that way. And I certainly didn't ever feel like I had inferior teammates those years at NC State.

But there's a combination of that, of yeah, and even more so, maybe now you don't have the, you know, all the comparisons you made make perfect sense. But we felt like at NC State, we were going to think, win them all. You know, we thought we were going to win them all. So I say that with all due respect to certain teammates I had because I had many teammates. You mentioned the quarterbacks, you know, behind me, the great receiver, Torrey Holt, many teammates of mine that had long careers in the NFL.

But yes, and I think, too, you get to play, you play more games. You know, I played in 51 college football games. So I definitely felt like even more equipped than had you go to a place and you only play two years, you play 20 games, and you play from a lead, and you hand it off, and you throw it 18 times. I threw 100 passes in my first two games in NC State with Norm Chow. But you're right, though. You get to the NFL, and I was in my first week or two of minicamp, and we had some play on. I don't remember, and I didn't throw the ball. I got to the checkdown.

Didn't throw the deep cross or deep over, and Cam Cameron said, why didn't you throw? it. And I said, he's not open. And he said, he's wide open. And I was like, dang. Okay. Like, there's the windows and the separation. So those things, those things are all true that you say. Now, you take a Matt Leiner to JJ McCarthy, a guy that can come from those, you know, historic programs, and they can still be unbelievable NFL career. It's great. So it's not like you can't that way. But is there something to be said for the, you know, the, the, the, the, Texas Techs and the Wyoming's and the NC states of the world, maybe. Heck yeah.

And, you know, I definitely think there's something to game experience and playing and playing. There's no similar, there's nothing, no substitute for playing. You have to play. Yeah. So Antonio Gates makes a Hall of Fame. Speaking of college, never played a college football snap. Take me to, it may have been a practice. When was the first moment you're at practice or somewhere with him?

and you went, who's that guy? You knew how long did it take for you to identify, whoa, people can't guard him. He's too big for linebackers. He's too strong for safeties. How long did it take? Well, not long. I mean, I was in my rookie year, and I had a front row seat my first two years with Drew and Gates. That would have been his, you know, he was a rookie year before me.

And so I got to see it from the sideline. in those first two years. And he was one of those guys that, you know, we had a gaitreel. We had a gait rule. We had the progression for the play and based off the coverage. And then we said, okay, and this one is gaitr rule. And it was, which meant, hey, if he's singled up, I don't care if the leverage is good for him, he's going to beat them anyway.

And it was just that overrode, that over, you know, the progression was then done. It was overridden by the gait rule. But he had a unique ability to, he was fast and big. but he had a unique ability to understand body position and getting hands off and attacking, attacking leverage and doing those things. And, and I,

you know, he was always considered this basketball guy, basketball guy, basketball guy, but I think what he did was, he was very humble and saying, crap, I want to be a football guy,

and I've got to learn all this, what is all these coverages and they're bracketing me and where's the help? And once he learned that, then it was, then it was forget about it. And that's why he had that stretch, you know, seven or eight,

nine-year stretch. Obviously, he played longer than that, and his whole career was awesome. But he had that stretch where, he was arguably, you know, just uncoverable. So finally, your son, Gunner Rivers, is, and you can look him up, he's going to be one of those top quarterbacks on all those recruiting things,

so you're going to start hearing about him. Do you ever watch him and think, man, he does that a little better than dad did at his age? Is there anything you're just thinking, man, he may be, he may have a little better fastball than dad, or he may move a little better than dad. Oh, yeah, that happens. more than you'd think. I think, too, the game has just changed so much. You know, you and I talked a little bit off air briefly.

You know, 25 years ago, it was just different. The game is just different than what it is now. There wasn't seven-on-sevons. And, you know, we didn't grow up playing flag football. I mean, me and Gunner, and, you know, we were playing flag football, playing against teams from Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona and all this when we were in California when he was 10 years old. You know, so you're getting to practice that anticipation and accuracy as a 10-year-old.

And so he's just thrown the football in a competitive environment a whole lot more because of the day and age of football that we're in. And, you know, it's been fun. It's fun to coach him and his teammates and be at this school and coach these guys up. And, you know, and again, remember the mission is it's more than about the game. I remind these guys it's going to end for you at some point. Most of our guys, it's going to end when they graduate high school. And hopefully, you know, Gunner and he does have some teammates that can advance and play college football. but I remind them that even if you get to play for 17 years, it does stop and the clock will end.

So it's got to be more than just the X's and O's. You've got to learn those life lessons that you get from this great sport. And I'm hopeful that I can pass some of that down to these guys and help them be better men for having been in the program. Well, you're a class guy. One of my favorite players, 17 years. I was looking at some of your stats. six most

421 career passing touchdowns, the sixth most in NFL history. 240 consecutive starts in the regular season. That is a lot of starts. Did you ever have a game day when you just felt like crud and started? Like did you ever have, I mean, you obviously were not in perfect condition.

Did you ever not know an hour before a game if you were going to start? No, I know. but yes, many games where it felt like crud would be an understatement. But thankfully, I mean, again, this isn't me saying, wow, look how tough I was.

I really was. I was blessed with health and the ability to go out there every Sunday. I'll just leave it at that. But there were certain Sundays that weren't real fun physically, weren't real fun during the week to get there. But, again, a lot of great guys up front fighting like crazy to keep me clean.

And then you just have some injuries you have and you deal with them. and you, there was the one, the one record that was one of my favorite growing up, you know, I mentioned the 51 starts in a row at NC State, which at a time, at that time was a record. I think it's been broken, and now these guys played 14, 15 games a year. But one of my favorite records was Brett Farr's Start Street. And I remember watching that going, man, he's played how many a row? Man, he's going to get to 300.

And I remember just saying, again, this is just as a competitor, I'm going to chase Brett Farr's record. I'm going to get there. And I didn't play those first two years as I sat behind Drew, and I realized ultimately I couldn't get there, but by golly, I was going to find a way to be second, you know, and suit up and be out there if I could every week for our team. And I do think there's a, you know, the best ability, as Chuck Amato told us, the best ability is dependability.

And that was one thing I was going to be. I was going to be out there every week. I was going to be out there every week and give it my all. And shoot, I know we fell short plenty of times. They knew they could count on 17 and get them everything they had for those 240 in a row. Well, my favorite interview in a long time. Philip, absolute pleasure. St. Michael Catholic High School in Alabama.

He took over a program that didn't really exist. They just won their first playoff game last year. Congratulations to you and your program, and they are lucky to have you as a coach. Thanks, man. Thanks, Colin. Enjoyed it. Philip Rivers' great stories. Just an impressive guy.

Like he, there's a guy, like, there's a guy that, he had some offensive lines that were a bit dubious. He took a few hits in his day and was always there. 240 consecutive starts in the regular season. That is a ton. We take a break. Heard line news around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names. of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say,

Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joe Thomas and Philip Rivers, that's always a good day. J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Rams fans, Collins are kind of panicking about this Matt Stafford back situation. Previously, he was labeled week to week, which, oh, that's not good, especially in August.

But reports today say Stafford is progressing to doing on-field work. He got an epidural in his back a few weeks ago, and the Rams have tried to give him time to let his back heel on his own. that means he's hanging out and about in let's say the South Bay out here in L.A. But I'm of the belief he's going to be fine week one. This is just an old vet getting a lot of rest. I would not panic over this back stuff. I don't think it's a thing at all. I mean, they've got, you know, he's a guy that took some hits.

And he's also, and we've noted this, he's the last old quarterback in the league that will stand in the pocket to the very end. and take a helmet to the teeth. But what do I love? Dude, he has, Aaron Rogers, since his, I think it's 20-22, averages fewer big plays, 20-plus plays than Derek Carr.

Oh. Yeah, Aaron is done getting hit. He will not sit in it. And by the way, I'd probably be more Aaron than Matt Stafford. I'm not blaming him, but Matt's going to stay in there and take a hit to the very end.

Tom Brady at the end was practicing getting sacked. Aaron doesn't want to get hit. Eli didn't want to get hit, and they're great quarterbacks. Stafford will get hit, so it's punitives. Those hits have added up. It is interesting. The narrative surrounding these two old players here, Stafford is ascending.

It wins a Super Bowl, projected to win a Super Bowl, no look passes. Meanwhile, Aaron Rogers has been an unmitigated disaster since forcing his way out of Green Bay. Obviously, there was the injury. But I'll tell right now, Stafford gets back to another Super Bowl. We're going to be talking, I guarantee you Super Bowl week.

Well, Stafford had a better career than Aaron. Her Rogers. I've been saying this. High school, college, early pro, late pro. Stafford's better. Now, now, was there a nine-year period in the middle when Aaron, with a really good organization and always having good offensive lines was better than Stafford in Detroit? Yes.

But this goes back to something we talked about earlier. If you're great, great will find you. Sean McVeigh found a quarterback in a losing franchise who kept losing and said, That is special. So it's like it's justice. Like this guy deserved finally to get a great coach. He was just too talented to not. John Elway was eventually going to find his magical coach.

And he got it with Shanahan. Certainly. Let's move on to Drake May. The hype continues to build for the second year QB in New England. He's been getting comparisons to Josh Allen, the reigning MVP. Here's May responding to that compliment. he's the MVP. I think the comparisons are, I got a lot of work to do, you know,

with kind of even giving the same, you know, the atmosphere or atmosphere as Josh. So luckily he's in the division, so we got some good matchups. I was looking forward to, but really comparisons. I'm just trying to be myself. And hey, at the end of the day, some people think that.

I mean, that's a lot of respect for him. But I've got a lot of work to do for that. Yeah, I think his comp is Herbert, and I think it's an accurate one. I don't think there is a comp for Josh Allen. Josh Allen and Herbert, are the two comps essentially for... No pressure, drink. There is no...

Yeah, I mean, I can see Justin Herbert. You can see it. Same size, they move well. You can see Herbert. You can see it in college. There is no comp for Josh Allen. There's never been anything quite like it. What about Dave Craig from your Seattle days?

He's a comp for Josh Allen? I'm just kidding. But in all honesty, he was really good. Stoard in the pocket. I don't think he was as mobile as Drake. Now, Drake's, I mean, when you watch Drake right there, you can see it. I mean, he's got a, he's really talented. And he has had nothing to work with.

So, I mean, they've got their, they've got their, it's exciting. If you're a New England fan, you've got your guy. Now, how great will he be? But listen, Chicago's never had their guy. Like some of these organizations, I mean, Tampa before Brady. I mean, they look forever. The Jets, they're still looking for another name of. Thanks.

So, I mean, it just, when you have Drake May, it's like, okay, 12 years, let's just get him protected and get him weapons. You've got your guy. All right, let's wrap up with a little baseball. My Yanks, they got Aaron Judge back last night, but it did not matter. They lost their fifth straight, a two-zero defeat against the Rangers. Yanks have lost five straight. People are panicking. I think it's time to take a deep breath.

Here's Judge talking to the media after the game. I got some work to do. I know a lot of things to clean up. But the boys in here fired up to, you know, change all that and get things right. And we got a great ball club in here. So just a lot of mistakes all around. You know, some mental mistakes and physical mistakes. But, yeah, we have guys are we got to fix them.

They got to fix them now. Yeah, they're very, they're very, I mean, once Garrett Cole's gone, you lose your ace, you become very Aaron Judge Reliant. And he just got back. He was out, and they didn't play well. Yeah. They're very home run reliant and very Aaron Judge Reliant. Reliant.

For all the money they spend, and I think the Dodgers and the Mets spend more. I think they're third, I think, right now in baseball. For all the money they spend, they feel like they have a little bit of an uneven roster, and, I mean, they're just very judge and home run reliance. Yeah, all the Dodgers fans here put together this interesting chart. Yankees compared to the arguably worst team in baseball, the White Sox since July 6th. So we're looking at a month of data here. Not great when you're compared to a historically bad White Sox team.

I will just say the Yanks are going to be okay. They're still firmly in the wild card mix. There's like 45-ish games left in the season. Everybody goes through these lulls. They're going to be all right. I mean, the Dodgers, was it about six weeks ago? The Dodgers were tire fire. They got swept by the Brewers.

Less than that. They got swept by the Brewers. They couldn't score. They had injuries. You have 162 games. games. I'm sorry. Ask players have ultimate urgency. If you have a couple pitching injuries, you're done. Right now

the Yankees have a, you know, Aaron Boone, the bullpen, Devin Williams. You know, it's just, they've got back end issues. It's the way it works. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. The, um,

good show today. Philip Rivers was, hopefully if you were in your car listening for about 25 minutes, he was, he's got great stories. And Joe Thomas came on earlier today. And, you know, you get, these days on the internet, I swear to God, between AI and the tribal nature of political fans, half the time, I don't even know. And then you got people on the internet that are pretending there, Adam Schaefter.

I mean, I don't know what is true and what's not. So with Cleveland, the video I've seen, I think Shadour Sanders looks better than Dylan Gabriel. Now, you say, well, Dylan's getting snaps with the better players. I will say this. The Browns have a very weak receiving core. So the difference between the number two receiver for the Browns and the number four is probably not that great.

They're both throwing as just guys. But Joe Thomas earlier today on sort of how he views the current Browns quarterback pecking order. I think Shadur is ahead of Dylan right now. Dylan clearly has some things that he does really well. Obviously, his mobility, his ability to get outside the pocket. But the challenge of being a short quarterback, especially in the NFL and NFL passing offenses, is that you have to throw to a spot a lot of times.

You have to build that trust and that understanding of looking at the structure of the defense, knowing where the ball needs to go. So far, Chadur has, I think, in my opinion, outplayed Dylan at this point in training camp because Dylan's had some struggles with accuracy. And Chadur, although it's not been great with the procedural side of things, when he's up there under the center and he's trying to make calls and adjustments at the line of

scrimmage he's getting everybody lined up the snap count i don't know of all the voices in cleveland that's the one you know and that's not a knock on the other journalists and all the people mary k cabot i know she's been very uh optimistic with shader sanders mary k cabot's excellent she's been optimistic and joe thomas is like i like him better than dillan gabriel that's what i'm going to trust and i'm going to trust my eyes he's just a bigger kid that throws the ball more accurately, more often. I don't know what he's, you know, I don't know lining people up. Maybe he's not as good at that.

I think you can develop that over time and reps and practice. But here's Joe Thomas also. The other thing I asked him about, I said, and Joe, I don't know the number. Joe Thomas must have had 40 quarterbacks behind him, at least 25. I mean, it was a different guy every week. But one of the stories that came out, It's a team that's the Brown's rival, the Steelers. And these are Pittsburgh reporters saying, yeah, this Aaron thing is very dink and donkey,

won't throw the ball down the field. And my take is he doesn't trust the offensive line. He didn't trust the Jets O' line, and the Steelers'O line, according to PFF, is worse. And here's Joe Thomas on older quarterbacks and Aaron Rogers, sometimes going underneath instead of sitting and waiting the extra beat. The young quarterbacks, they don't know any better, right? their youth is their ignorance. And it serves them well because they're willing to stand in there

and they're willing to take those hits right in the chops. And I think that remains to be seen a little bit with Aaron Rogers because he's never been a guy that loved being hit. I mean, he's never been a huge guy, but he's always had great feat. He's always been able to extend the play, get out of the pocket with his athleticism. And we really didn't see that with the Jets. And so far, coming out of the Steelers training camp, there's been some conversation about him not really showing great mobility,

not showing an ability to escape the pocket, escape the rush, and that comes into question then about how much is he willing to be able to just stand in there and extend the play if he can't do it with his feet anymore and he's not willing to take the hits yeah and i and i that's why i've said is i said this two three days ago when i read multiple stories out of the steelers i think it's going to look like a more polished better coach version of the jets aaron doesn't want to take the hits and i don't blame him brady didn't peyton didn't Eli didn't. Aaron doesn't. Stafford's an outlier.

He'll sit in there to the very end. Philip Rivers took some shots. Big Ben took way too many shots, in my opinion. Big Ben would hold the ball later in his career. It's like, bro, get out of there. But, I mean, when you watch this video, you know, you can watch his movement. He doesn't look like 26-year-old Aaron. He doesn't.

He's an older guy. So, and since 2022, the staff put it here, the last season in Green Bay, Aaron's got fewer what they call big pass plays, 20 plus yards, than Derek Carr. And that's not that Aaron can't throw it deep. He's just not going to sit in the pocket and take shots. Now, I think if he played with the Lions or the Eagles and their own lines, those numbers would all change. It's not his lack of ability. Aaron still 10.

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