The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - HOUR 3 - Playoffs, Lakers

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

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Starting point is 00:02:35 This is The Hurd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening to the show. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. And we've got a great third hour of the show for you. We got the best for last. Oh, you're going to like that. John Paul Morosi will join us in 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:02:58 We'll talk about the Judgian Blast as Aaron Judge. And the Yankees and the Dodgers seem maybe on that collision course. And for the Dodgers, Yankees World Series and all the pesky angels in the way. We've got a lot to get. We'll get some baseball to kind of wet that appetite for you later on this hour. Plus, you've got a heard of lying news. I want to start with this. So the Doug Gottlieb show follows this show on most Fox Sports Radio affiliates.
Starting point is 00:03:30 series X-M, we're on 217 and 203. You can download the podcast version as well. So we had Bill Plachky on. Bill, if you're not from L.A., you may have seen him. He's been on ESPN a good amount as well. But Bill's a longtime writer, columnist for the L.A. Times, and he had a sit-down with Jeannie Bus. And I had him on my show, and he had this to say about the Lakers' future with LeBron James.
Starting point is 00:03:57 I've heard that Phil, would like LeBron traded. I've just heard that. But I've got no nothing to back that up. No on the record stuff to back that up. But I think Phil, I do know that Phil would like them to keep Westbrook and try to make it work with them.
Starting point is 00:04:17 So the idea of keeping Westbrook and trading LeBron is a, huh? And of course, Phil, being Phil Jackson, who has apparently being used as a bit of a, sounding board or advisor in the Lakers' coaching search and search for answers. Let me say this. Anyone who says, no, absolutely not in terms of trading in LeBron James, you shouldn't be part of this discussion.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Now, if you want to sit here and go like, hey, man, LeBron was hurt and Anthony Davis was hurt. And if Anthony Davis wasn't hurt, it's a completely different. team and they make the playoffs. That's fine. Okay. And if you want to think, look, we reconfigure everything else. We screwed up with the Alice Caruso thing. We screwed up with Contavius Caldwell Pope.
Starting point is 00:05:15 KCP was our best, you know, open shooter. And he was also a quality defender. And Alex Crusoe was a great culture guy and a great defender and a good teammate. And honestly, not only was he, you know, like $9 million a year was reasonable, but he said he would have taken less to stay with the Lakers. Those are,
Starting point is 00:05:39 it was a mess, right? You go and get Carmelo Anthony, like Carmelo is well-liked, but he can't guard anybody at all. And that may not matter if the rest of the team can really guard, but nobody could guard anybody. The point is that last year's team was an abject disaster.
Starting point is 00:05:59 If you really want to get down to it, losing in the first round of the playoffs the previous year is underachieving. If you look at LeBron's tenure, there's been one good season, and that was the one in which they won the championship. And I'm not going to like other people taint winning a championship. Based upon the rules, based upon the year, they were the ones that raised the title. Great. But when you have the type of year where you have 10 teams from the West, okay, 10.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Remember, there's only 30 teams in the NBA, and 20 of them make at least the play in, if not the playoffs. So you're one of only five teams in the Western Conference that did not make the play-in or the playoffs. And LeBron James played enough of the year, and you had Russell Westbrook playing, that it seems almost impossible unless they're just not good enough anymore. You can tell me all you want about Frank Vogel,
Starting point is 00:06:57 like didn't they win a championship? Like, we're only giving LeBron credit for a championship, and not frank folk, I don't understand. But the point is that I'm not saying you trade LeBron. I am saying that when you're in a boardroom and you go, hey, let's just spitball ideas. And somebody says, you know, what have we traded LeBron? And you go, no, never, you can't do that. That person who said, no, never, that's the person you go, Jim, pick up your stuff and leave.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Again, it doesn't mean that you want to trade him, that you're still, but at least kick around the idea. what would it look like if we traded it? What would they look like? What would that feel like? What would our roster be like? You know? And the Lakers, if the ancillary concerns, or maybe even the primary concerns are,
Starting point is 00:07:50 hey, we got our network and we got to sell seats and we got like, look, the Lakers sold seats when they were crummy and they've been crummy more than they've been good here in the last decade. But you run the risk re-upping with LeBron, extending LeBron, of riding that thing into the sunset, and that's exactly what happened with Kobe Bryant. You're making it so that it's almost impossible to satisfy the desires of the fan base,
Starting point is 00:08:19 even if they want stars to play. They want to see them win. Everybody supports a winning team. Everybody. Does that mean I trade him? No, I just, how much have we seen of Russell Westbrook to not know, like, that act doesn't work. it's not even the best version and it's going to get worse and the shooting was so bad the defense honestly got overshadowed and the defense isn't nearly as good as reputation
Starting point is 00:08:49 so like i would i mean i think the the most important thing is find a way to get russell westbrook off of that team and do so in a fashion where you don't take on some other heard of a contract, you know? It has to be somebody who can play alongside LeBron. You just can't, you can't play a guy who is a point guard but can't shoot and doesn't really defend alongside LeBron and has to, the whole argument for Russell Westbrook is, well, you has to have the ball. He has to have the ball.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Okay, but if you give him the ball, that means you're taking the ball out of the hands of LeBron James. I'd rather have LeBron have the ball, right? anybody think Russell Westbrook's a better player with the ball than LeBron? No. Does anybody think he's a better passer? No. Is he a better shooter?
Starting point is 00:09:42 No. Is he bigger? No. I'm not even getting into Anthony Davis. But that doesn't mean that I close the door. I close off the idea of lighten a match and starting over. That's got to be at least a discussion. Because right now you have so many conflicting alliances and, like, that's why it's just a mess.
Starting point is 00:10:07 You know, you have the clutch guys who are trying to make right for LeBron at the end of his run. In the meantime, like, an agency shouldn't run a team. You have LeBron who's trying to figure out, like, how can I get guys around me to win one more? Or to at least be representative in the playoffs. You have the Lakers to have to look out for short and long term. Right now, long term, like, what are they going to do? what are they going to do? They don't have any draft picks.
Starting point is 00:10:43 You're not developing stars through the G league without draft picks. And you don't really have the ability to go out and sign another star with the three current stars under contract. And the two best players you have, one, father time's creeping up on, still great, not nearly what he used to be, but still great. The other, he had never been able to stay healthy. but I just I people freak out when someone says hey what if you traded LeBron James and you got maybe maybe a team want to overpay for that name for him to break or like you're if you're concerned and you want to keep him so that you can break Kareem's record then you have basically told the rest of the world we don't care about winning.
Starting point is 00:11:34 You can do both. You can win and you can have LeBron break the record. record, but you could also win more and win long term and be successful for a longer period of time, potentially, if you get a pirate transom and return. And you might ask yourself, like, well, what do you get? I don't know. I don't know what that looks like. I don't know what that sounds like.
Starting point is 00:11:59 But I do know that exploring all possible plans for how to fix it is the only way to really fix it. You can't just go like, this is the idea, this is what we're going to do. Because you got to have an A, you got to have a B, you got to have a C. And whether you work consensus, whether you work with whoever the new coaches, whether you work with Polinka,
Starting point is 00:12:23 all of these things. Because they each had a hand in screwing it up. LeBron and his agency forcing the hand of we got to do everything we can to get New Orleans. And the Pelicans, they rake them over the coals to get everything that the, Lakers had. And then the Lakers still won a championship, and they kind of blew it up again.
Starting point is 00:12:48 And while Polinka looks like he missed on Kyle Lowry and he should have resigned, he should have resigned Caruso, it's a pretty well documented fact that Russell Westbrook was a LeBron James Anthony Davis idea. And again, you move mountains, you had to get rid of almost everything except for Taylor and Horton Tucker. Like that's the guy you hung on to. Nice player, good story, going to be fine, going to be good. Rotation player.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Of all the guys that you had, that's the one that you held on to. And look what you're left with. So I'm not necessarily, I don't do this, trade LeBron, don't trade LeBron. I do the explore every possible avenue. Explore every possible avenue of potential success and way of fixing it. And the right answer may not appear in bright lights, but it will feel that way. You know, you got to be, obviously it's delicate in terms of trading LeBron. If you announce that you're trading LeBron, you have lost LeBron.
Starting point is 00:13:59 He's gone. But like, LeBron was the guy who destroyed the second half of the season now. You can't go to the All-Star break. go to Cleveland and start talking about next year and Brony and maybe with Cleveland and whatever and not mention the fact that, hey, when I get back, we're going to crank this up into gear, we're going to get a good plows. He didn't. And everybody reacts to that.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Everybody feels it. Whether or not he knew their goose was cooked, whether or not he knew that they would never recover, the fact is that by stating it, he basically stated, hey, all options are on the table for my future. All options should be on the table for the Lakers future as well. All right, coming up next. It feels like, feels like Aaron Judge, who's in a contract negotiation dispute with the Yankees has made himself a ton of money.
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Starting point is 00:18:51 Man, we got a lot to get to. Hoop was good last night. Warriors were not good. They got beat by a million. No, really, it felt like a million. And then the bucks came from behind, down six with a minute 50 to go. And Janice hits a big three. And all of a sudden, the Celtics are now staring down at a three games at two series advantage by the bucks.
Starting point is 00:19:11 They got a return to Milwaukee. More on the hoop. Upcoming, plus the best for last, which I think you will really enjoy. You'll also enjoy John Paul Morosi, who joins us. Fox Sports Radio, MLB Network Insider. and look, the Yankees before the season, there was a lot of talk of a negotiation for an extension with Aaron Judge.
Starting point is 00:19:34 They hit an impasse. And I guess judges handled this in a judging way. Seems like he's making himself a lot of money. Is that fair? Are we just in a very early he's come out hot sort of place? Well, obviously, the Yankees have the best record in all of baseball, 22 and 8 entering tonight's game in Chicago. I do very much enjoy a talent of our game.
Starting point is 00:20:05 When the narrative is said of, oh, my gosh, is he going to be distracted? And we're just fine. It's been a lot of fun to watch and play, the walk-off home run. Obviously, historic moment for him. I just think in watching him, I've watched the Yankees of a person to Fairmount this year, Doug. He's just really focused. You can tell his body is really aligned. He's done a really good job the last couple years.
Starting point is 00:20:30 It has off-season work. Whether it's been yoga, different, his body as limber as possible, obviously when you're that tall and that strong, that can be a challenge. I think it's just taking them some years to figure out the best and most optimal way to take care of his body. And I think to Aaron's credit, whatever would be said about his health or injuries or time that he missed in years past, I really think he has figured out that part of the game that comes down to being healthy and how to keep yourself in peak form as close as possible for 162. obviously that's a hard thing to do.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And I just think it's taking him some time. And my goodness, Doug, he is putting on a show right now. He is. Conversely, you have the Cincinnati Reds, on pace to lose 126 games. Now, look, you can say whatever you want about tanking. It does work, case in point, the Astros, right? I mean, we could go through baseball and look at all these teams that bottomed out.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Was this planned? Is this part of a master plan to be this bad? I don't think their idea was to be this bad. I think that they knew they had to trim some payroll. I believe internal competitive than they are. They are not a competitive Major League team at the moment. They've got a minus 72 run different games. That is hard to do.
Starting point is 00:21:57 And to your point, that's his story. They might even trade more. And I think, Doug, what I would say to the question of tanking, it's now going to be harder for that. to be a successful approach because of the rules that have been put in the lottery that's now part of the draft. I just think that the
Starting point is 00:22:19 ability to supplement draft picks without being able to go trade for Justin Verlander. I would say no, without the ability to go out and sign the likes of a John Lester and Jason Award, I would say probably not. So you have to combine those two things, and unless you're the
Starting point is 00:22:54 Ways, who are such a unique team in the history of the game, who have perfected the strategy, I just think the reds are a shining example right now. That's the right word to prove to everybody that this is not as simple or as straightforward as the rays make it look every year. And they have missed. They've missed on some of these trades and some of the moves they've made. And the result is, sadly, a non-competitive baseball towns of our country.
Starting point is 00:23:22 The Angels are an interesting franchise, right? They draw three million a year regardless. They have two of the five best players in the game, right? You got Ruthian type of stats from Shohei Otani and Mike Trout is an all-timer. And yet they've been since the one year in the playoffs, the loss to Kansas City, they've gotten progressively worse. Sprinkle in some Joe Madden seems to have some pitching. Does this thing last? Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:54 I believe it will, Doug. And the pitching. I know it's funny because we've talked about this team a lot in our conversations over the last few years, Doug. And a lot of credit, Perry Manassee and their new GM rotation. If you look at the first five games of last season, and who started on the mound for those five games, are gone, the only one who's still. And they've added in guys who have been collectively impactful,
Starting point is 00:24:26 including through a no-hitter, I'm picked from the University of Louisville. So I think whether it's Michael Lorenzen, Patrick Sandoval, Noah Cindergarde, you add all of them into Otani. You've got one of the best closers in the world, in my opinion, in Reiselaeiglesias, and then the lineup. You've had surprising production from the likes of Taylor-Wutani. Try healthy.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Now he's batten-in-law lines we've seen in baseball so far this season. Yeah, I mean, it's really hard to not point that one out, considering, you know, for years it has been trout's great, but he's on a crummy team. And then it was, Shohei is great. Padre is going to sign Robbie Canell? That appears to be the case right now, Doug, in a pretty unique situation unfolding there in San Diego. They just added back to their active roster, both Will Myers and Luke Void and Doug to get some productivity out of the DH spot.
Starting point is 00:25:42 They're another interesting team. Now, they're still in second place behind the Dodgers pitching. They've seen Mike Cleaverter come back. Blake Snell is due to comeback. McKenzie Gore's come up from the minor leagues and at DH, where they need to have more production. And so I think Canoe of a veteran, he's had the highest of high as in baseball. to his suspension for PED, so he can, he's players now and help them through the journey of a baseball career.
Starting point is 00:26:20 I think in many ways, Doug, he's a really, really make some progress in advance in the playoffs for the first time in the generation. Okay, but if that's the case, why would the Mets DFAM? No more room between Dominic Smith and Luis Guillaume, Travis Jankowski, there with the Mets was just better, and they had guys like Dom Smith who had just passed Cano by. And I think in their case, the Mets have a really deep lineup. I think they're one of the best overall teams in the game right now.
Starting point is 00:26:57 So I think from the Mets' perspective, and I credit Steve Cohen for this, because some teams would say, some owners would say, listen, if I'm spending the money on this guy, we better keep him, because we need to make sure he's still, I want him at least to be on the roster instead. He said, listen, you make, and he's talking to Billy Eppler, you make the best decision you can for the well-being of the team, and Billy made
Starting point is 00:27:21 he let's let's Robbie Connell go and I do think Robbie can still contribute I just think San Diego is probably a better fit for him right now than the Mets Yeah I mean like look it's a it's a sunken cost He had already bought the team Exactly the contract was already signed
Starting point is 00:27:37 And And you know what's the point of spending all this money To try and fix the Mets And not being willing to write You were going to write that check anyway It's just writing it sooner Rather rather than later John Paul Morosi joining us here
Starting point is 00:27:50 Doug Gottlie been for Colin this is the hurt. You mentioned something which, again, I don't know how many non-hardcore baseball fans have come around to yet. There's Universal DH, right? Right.
Starting point is 00:28:03 So it's a different roster composition for National League teams. You mentioned the Padres trying to figure out that spot. Who else in that National League has struggled so much with what seems like, you just get a guy who can hit,
Starting point is 00:28:17 it seems like it should be easy, but it's not. I actually love I love the Universal D.H for a couple of reasons. I think on the positive side, the Universal D.H. allows the Cardinals to sign Albert Pools and bring him back. I think that's a really good story for the overall industry. I think you look at the Braves.
Starting point is 00:28:41 You're Doug a little early to keep him in the lineup and get him back while his leg was getting back to 100% because they could use him at the DH. Bryce Harper has had a hard time throwing the baseball because of an injury to his elbow. So Bryce has been a DH now for the Phillies for a while. I think it actually has been a positive sign for a lot of different teams. I would look at a club like the Brewers. They are, I think, a really good ball club. And when you consider their ability to bring in Rowdy to L.
Starting point is 00:29:11 I think it's actually probably been a positive for a lot of NL teams. So really the Padres to me stand out as one that needs more from that spot. I would also add the Marlins. And they were one team, Doug, that I sort of expected. maybe they would make a play to get Robbie Canoe because, of course, he spent a lot of time in Florida, and that could be a good fitting nose down Mattingly. But that's one team that Miami's pitching, Doug, is an offense,
Starting point is 00:29:37 and that's one team that probably could use a boost at DH as well, and that's why maybe we see a guy like Nelson Cruz get traded by the nationals during the course of the season because he's a veteran bat and can be a D.H for a team in the NL where that would not have been an option one year ago. JP, thanks so much for joining us. really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. Got some day baseball, getaway day,
Starting point is 00:29:58 playing out now. Thanks so much for joining us. All the best. My pleasure, my friend. Thank you very much. All right, John Paul Morosi went, and he also went Buzz Williams and lost his voice right at the end there. We cut it off just in time. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
Starting point is 00:30:15 This is the herd line news. You can never doubt the heart and soul of J.P. Morosi to show up and talk some baseball, regardless of the conditions. He'll work himself to exhaustion there, as you could tell, as his voice started to give out there on us. But we will go from baseball to a little bit of NFL, Doug. You talked about this last hour with our good buddy John Middilkoff. The San Francisco 49ers are a team that everyone has their eyes on, and especially this offseason with their current quarterback situation. They traded several first round picks and moved up and take Tray Lance, who sat behind Jimmy Garoppolo this season.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Now people are wondering what they're going to do with Jimmy G or Trey Lance because what we did see from Trey Lance was not necessarily great this season in the limited action that we did see him. So another guy who you're very familiar with, former quarterback Chris Sims, now with pro football talk, had this to say about Trey Lance and his status right now in the Bay Area. Are they scared a little bit or not? not know what they're going to get. I think, of course, they are. You know, anybody you talk to
Starting point is 00:31:26 that saw a training camp last year, either that was part of the 49er staff or when they went and worked with the Los Angeles chargers there, and you hear people that witness those practice, there had to be concerned coming out of San Francisco early on in the year last year. I know there was. There was too many people that were like, oh, man, Tray Lance practices, ooh, the ball's everywhere. It's this or it's that way. It's everywhere. Ooh, man, he's not ready yet. So that's got to scare. them to a degree, but at some point, like to your point, you got to rip off the band-aid and see what he's got.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Oh, I definitely think they're going to rip off the band-aid. My guess is, okay, the guess is that they're going to hold on to Garapolo as an insurance policy. And oh, yeah, by the way, because they got a bunch of sunken costs and they paid him. And oh, yeah, by the way, if somebody else's quarterback goes down or somebody else feels like they're in a need for a quarterback, they can get some sort of value in return. You're coming off of surgery, so you're not going to be able to trade him right now. You could obviously cut him, but once you cut him, he's gone. At least now you protect yourself and you have a guy who's a viable backup you think, if needed.
Starting point is 00:32:43 I think it's the same thing with the Browns. Nobody wants to trade for Baker. Everybody's just waiting out until he gets released. Meanwhile, they're just waiting out to see if somebody is in desperation need for a quarterback, and they can do the San Bradford from Philly to Minnesota. It's definitely a game of chicken right now across the NFL on who's going to blink first in terms of, are you going to release them or are you going to trade for them?
Starting point is 00:33:06 You're going to release them or you're going to trade for them? And so far, it looks like the 49ers and the Browns are willing to hold on to the last possible moment. And to their credit, I mean, why cut them? You know, we've seen what happens to teams who have aspirations to go far, whether in the postseason or not, and when you lose your quarterback, that can basically torpedo your year.
Starting point is 00:33:28 So if you have a capable backup, might as well hang on to them. We will keep it here in the NFL. Doug, have you heard the news? The Denver Broncos have already won the next four Super Bowls after trading for Russell Wilson. I have not heard that. Yeah, you have not heard that?
Starting point is 00:33:43 Oh, okay. Yeah, obviously kidding there. But it was the monumental move of the offseason and what was already a wild NFL offseason. But Hall of Fame quarterback, president of football operations, John Elway said that Russell Wilson was, quote, the piece we needed. We had a good football team, and I think George Payton, the general manager, did a tremendous job of putting together that deal and getting him here.
Starting point is 00:34:06 It's great to see the fan base energized again. There's a lot of talk and a lot of expectations on the Broncos this year. And I personally think they are going to be not bad, but they're very clearly going to be in a struggle and an absolute fight to make the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, like, look, they finished the last place in their division, so they're going to have an easier schedule when the schedule is released later tonight. As easy as it could possibly be considering their division.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Obviously in the division is difficult. And as much as, you know me, I'm a charger guy and everybody is convinced that Herbert's, no, I'm kidding. That Herbert's the dude. the fact is that, you know, don't tell me your pregnant, show me the baby, how many times we're going to say the Chargers have a great roster and it not play out. It feels like that actually is the best roster in the division. Yeah. And we'll see.
Starting point is 00:35:01 But, you know, we've been spoiled by Tom Brady, taking over a team that, you know, in 20 years hadn't done anything. You put Tom Brady in, though they were a wild card, they win a Super Bowl. I think people think it is that easy. And the Broncos were a quarterback away, but they were also a quarterback, a coach away, and how is the offensive line, which seemed really improved last year. I'm with you in that I'm not willing to hand them the Lombardi Trophy just yet, especially when you got my homes in Kansas City. Heck, I don't know what the Raiders will be.
Starting point is 00:35:37 I mean, I do think Josh McDaniel is a good coach. It was nothing short of a miracle that they made the playoffs last year. And the charts have a great roster, but we'd be, kidding ourselves. We didn't say like the Broncos have some talent. Russell Wilson hasn't played with a ton of talent recently and one would think they can be pretty good.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Will they be great? I would I would bet against them being great, but I would also bet against them being terrible. Yeah, I would say to your point, like when we look at the chargers and yes, they have a certain propensity to kind of fall apart in the biggest moments,
Starting point is 00:36:12 but all the same. I mean, they were an inch away from making the play. You would imagine that with all of the additions that they've made, they have greatly improved and considering Justin Herbert will continue to grow. And we'll wrap it up with this in the NBA, Doug. It's been a less than stellar postseason thus far for James Harden in his debut with the 76ers after being traded from the Brooklyn Nets. And Amari Stodemeyer was on first take talking about how he would handle James Harden in the offseason if the 76ers are brought. bounced from the playoffs. I can't commit to that.
Starting point is 00:36:48 If I'm the owner of the sixes, I cannot commit to giving him a max deal. I just don't see the dedication that I would need to see from my top 75 player. You know, you have to be able to have a certain level of determination and focus on being the best player you can possibly be and also be there for your teammates when they need you the most. And if he's not capable of doing that,
Starting point is 00:37:08 and as a max player, I'm not going to be willing to now give you a max contract if you're not showing me that you can handle the situation. Tough words. You know, Mari Stamar, yeah, totally. You know Amari Stamarer's player development assistant with the Brooklyn Nets. Right? Man.
Starting point is 00:37:26 Where was James Hardman before Philadelphia? I mean, he's, and anything you say on TV when you're still, when you're a former player generally like that, the critique is a lot slighter than it is in reality. I mean, basically Amari's like he came in out of shape and he doesn't work, doesn't work hard. and we already knew he had flaws and that he's been he's had injury issues and he's in his early 30s
Starting point is 00:37:53 but feels like his mid to late 30s those are red flags galore because players and guys that are former great players generally don't call out
Starting point is 00:38:03 the work ethic of others and that's right music with the news well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line news you know
Starting point is 00:38:13 um this This is, I'm not a big schedule release guy. I don't know if you guys are big schedule release guys. You know, it's just, it's one of those things where I get it. I understand what the NFL is doing. Like, hey, we got draft last month, schedule release this month. You know what, July, you know, July is OTAs and whatever.
Starting point is 00:38:35 And then August you get to real camp, and we just kind of keep the stories going. And the free agency, the quarterback movement, that's always, I mean, really kind of saved us during when COVID, everything was shut down. Tom Brady really helped us, right? Tom Brady and the Jordan documentary really helped us. But, I mean, you already know who's going to play one another. You just don't know dates. So what, tonight you're going to sit around and go, oh, on a Sunday where I'm already going to be watching football,
Starting point is 00:39:05 here's a game that I need to watch, which may or may not be a peak importance. Yeah, I'm just not a schedule release guy. doesn't mean that we're not going to keep you updated on it right here on Fox Sports Radio and talk about it. But the old radio of there's a win. That's a loss. That's a loss. That's a win.
Starting point is 00:39:28 That's a win. I just, I have no idea who's going to play. Who's going to be healthy? How the team's going to play. Will I geek out over Christmas Day games or Thanksgiving games or whatever? Those are kind of already going to be. announce you know about who's going to play i mean sorry i'm i'm going to watch football every sunday
Starting point is 00:39:50 i'm going to have red zone on one tv and then if the chargers are playing in another tv that's that's how i roll so i you're not really disrupting or changing or focusing my plans but i i could be maybe i'm the only one right like the super bowl gets done every year and you know fox has next two of the next three the super bowl next year is on fox i'm going to watch the super bowl i don't I appreciate knowing it's going to be on Fox. But did we need to run a commercial 364 days before the actual Super Bowl? CBS does that every year. It's one of those head scratchers.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Coming up next, we got the best for last, including there are five stories that I know you've missed. And it's not your fault. I'll catch you up next in the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the HARD weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire, with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day.
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Starting point is 00:45:04 I haven't seen if there's been one today. We got, we have two NBA games tonight, a close-out game potentially for the Miami Heat, where James Hardin said, the Sixers didn't follow the game plan last game. Hmm, wonder what that's about. The Suns visit the Mavericks. That last Sun's Mavericks game in Dallas, this is Sunday.
Starting point is 00:45:27 What a debacle that was. I mean, just Flop Fest 2000. It's awful. Awful. Phoenix is a two-point favorite. That would mean they would close out that series. Philadelphia, two-point favorite over the heat. That would mean that series would go to seven.
Starting point is 00:45:42 I like both the home teams and that. Let's get to the best for last. It's almost the end of the show. But that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. So here's what we got. I found five stories that like with all the stuff kind of going on in sports and the market sort of crashing.
Starting point is 00:46:03 There are other stories which are, I just, I can't believe that we're not talking enough about. Like this one. However old you are, had you ever heard of? Have you ever heard of Korean age? You guys ever heard of this, Korean age? Apparently, it's tradition in South Korea. When you're born, that first year, you know, you go by months? Oh, he's five months.
Starting point is 00:46:28 He's seven months, right? That's actually you're one year old. So how old are you? It's a simple, straightforward question. There's a new president in South Korea, and one of the things he ran on was, when I become president, you all get in your year back. How about that? How old did you say you are?
Starting point is 00:46:48 Well, I was 45, but then we had a new president, and now I'm 44. Ages, after all, apparently just a number. I saw this one as well. This one's a fantastic one. A tiny fragment of an asteroid that hit Earth 66 million years ago may have been found encased in amber. That's like Jurassic Park, right? When that at Drescent Park, then how they found mosquitoes that had dino DNA. I'm remembering correctly, right?
Starting point is 00:47:24 A discovery NASA has described as mind blowing. It's one of the several astounding finds, the unique fossil site in Hell Creek formation in North Dakota. So they have a tiny fragment of an asteroid and a dinosaur leg. and from that they have concluded that the asteroid that wiped off the dinosaurs there was apparently a couple of animals that were right there in the site and saw the impact
Starting point is 00:47:56 all that from a tiny little piece of amber we buying that music we buy in that I guess scientific discovery a la Jurassic Park yeah I guess I have to take their word for it it sounds like you know one of those things things where you get a small portion of the story and then all of a sudden, you know, you're just
Starting point is 00:48:19 making wild conclusions about what you think happened and then someone else is looking at you going, you didn't really get the whole story, did you? You're just kind of making well. Well, you know, someone told me. Someone told me. I heard it from someone. It's like, okay. Maybe you need to do a little bit more hard evidence research here before, you know. This is hard evidence with DNA testing into 66 million-year-old asteroid which wiped the dinosaurs from there. All right, this one went viral, okay? So James Cromwell from Succession,
Starting point is 00:48:53 he superglued himself to a Starbucks counter protesting Starbucks surcharge for like oat milk and other vegan milk. I'm surprised this wasn't you, Doug. You know, I've worked myself away some from the oat milk. Really? Yeah, I do. I actually do that. heavy cream thing.
Starting point is 00:49:12 You were a big oat milk advocate at one point. I'm still an oat milk advocate for certain things, like cereal, a good, is it Chalbani or whatever? Their creamy oat milk is really quite good, but it's like the, I don't want the surcharge. If we're going to protest a surcharge, why aren't we protesting the guacamole surcharge? That's good point. Right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:34 I mean, I guess his argument is you're already using milk. Okay, milk costs a certain amount. oat milk and milk like the price of milk is exceedingly high I don't think the price of oat milk is all that high but we've gotten to the point of what like what's the next thing
Starting point is 00:49:51 that we will super glue ourselves to in order to you know remember we had the Minnesota Timberwolves he had the lady you know twice we've had people super glue themselves to a basketball floor now he's supergluing himself to Starbucks what's the next thing to super I also just don't really get the idea behind that protest
Starting point is 00:50:07 like it's a business they can charge what they want Like, what are you going to do? Go into a restaurant and be like, hey, I think you charge too much for steak. I'm going to super glue my hand to the door. Yeah, you could also go to another chain. Right, that's exactly right. Or you could make it at home. Yeah, I just don't understand the premise behind.
Starting point is 00:50:25 If they want to charge that, it's their business. They can charge whatever they want. The other question I have is, was he really stuck to the counter? Like, when you super glue yourself, are you actually stuck? It said that he used a plastic knife. Was this like in a Christmas story? when the kid puts his tongue on the pole and they can't get him off?
Starting point is 00:50:42 Yeah, yeah. You'll shoot your eye out. You'll shoot your eye. Yes, he stuck his tongue to a pole and it got stuck and then they had to remove it. I mean, I can only guess who would have thought super glue abuse.
Starting point is 00:50:55 All right, I got a couple sports ones here. The Washington commanders. You know, Sam Howell, he's like North Carolina's version of Baker Mayfield had a disappointing year, slipped in the draft. Howell is now a member of the Washington commanders. He revealed since childhood
Starting point is 00:51:11 he's only eaten chicken, mostly nuggets and tenders. Basically he's like my kids. He claims to have never been anywhere near seafood and he's never eaten so much as a hamburger. Okay, I get the seafood part. But like, he even, if you read the story,
Starting point is 00:51:27 he even brings his own nuggets to team meals. Like some nuggets. I mean, like, look, how do you have a burger? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, but I mean, like, look, we've found different ways, much as the burger discussion, like, you know, Keynes has entered the conversation with chick-fil-A, you know, what initially started by, but here's the one thing I want to make sure and point out
Starting point is 00:51:49 that there's no such thing as a boneless wing. A boneless wing is a chicken nugget. Okay? Just, and tenders are just bigger forms of chicken nuggets. All right, this one I loved. There's a math teacher called kickball cupid giana petia from warwick warwick rhode island she used she used tinder okay tinder to load up a local team for dodgeball for excuse me for kickball and so tinder cut her up she can't use tinder anymore because she didn't use tinder for dating she used it to fill out her roster for kickball i i shouldn't she get award for creativity right i don't know swipe right for kick I love kickball. Who did you like kickball? I love kickball.
Starting point is 00:52:36 All right. Tomorrow we will recap and review the Sixers and what I think will be a series saving win at home against the heat and and what happens out west. I think the Mavericks survive. That's tomorrow. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Hurt. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy,
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Starting point is 00:53:45 I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex Eagle.
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