The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR-3-Ready or Not

Episode Date: September 23, 2020

Colin discusses which things in the NFL he is ready to admit or notGuest: Tristan Thompson Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for priv...acy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:34 Only Casper mattresses align with your spine. 86 supportive gel pods, casper.com. Check it out. Tristan Thompson, by the way, had a great game this year against Yokic for Denver. Totally shut him down. We'll get to that in a second, though. So because Yokic has become, you know, it's interesting. You know, it used to be when I was growing up.
Starting point is 00:02:53 You'd watch a guy playing college for four years, like D. Wade. And then you'd watch him in March Madness. and you had a sense who they are. And what happens with a lot of international players is, like, if they're good, they go to a bad team that we don't watch a lot, and we didn't watch them in college or high school, and then they get over here, unless they're like, you know, Luca good, where he's like good instantly, you know, they take time to develop. And the Denver Nuggets don't get on national TV a lot.
Starting point is 00:03:17 So the bubble, we're seeing Yokic way more than we've ever watched him. He is the best passing big man ever, and I covered Arvetus a bonus. And he's better than Arvetus. And Arvetus was an unbelievable passer. Bill Walton was also a great passing big man. And Jack Sigma, Sonic's reference. Let's bring in Tristan Thompson, nine years in the NBA. NBA champ, four straight finals with LeBron James.
Starting point is 00:03:41 So first of all, let's start with this. Game three, Lakers look disengaged early. Should the Lakers be concerned about last night's performance? No, not at all. I think it's the Western Conference finals. I think the Lakers know this is going to be a dogfighter. If you look at what Denver has done in the last two series, especially against the clippers, come back from 3-1,
Starting point is 00:04:03 that just shows you that this team has heart, and they're not going to back down. It's a chess match. Mike Malone, who's a great coach in our league, that definitely needs to get more recognition, made his adjustments, and now it's on Frank Vogel and his staff to look at the film and make those adjustments.
Starting point is 00:04:19 This is the Western Conference finals, and that's what you got to do. By the way, you did play Nicola Yochich, very good. And a lot of people, we don't watch Denver Nuggets basketball a lot in America, and now we are. You shut him down, four for 11, eight points in 32 minutes. It was March 7th. You Cavs won.
Starting point is 00:04:36 What did you do? We beat them twice, by the way, in Denver, any Cleveland. So when we played him in March, it was in Cleveland. Jokers, we all know how great offensively he is. But one thing about Denver's ball club is that defensively, you know, they don't really do the best job in terms of blocking shots or protecting the paint during the regular season. Obviously in the playoffs now, they've done a better job.
Starting point is 00:04:58 But for me, I would just keep running him up and down the floor. You want to wear him out, you know. Obviously, you know, he's not the best-shaped athlete in our league. So for me, with setting screens, rolling to the rim, always going to the offensive glass, just be a pest. My mindset is almost when I play against anyone is that, you know, if I'm running against a brick wall, I'm going to break the brick wall before I break my face. So I'm going to keep attacking the rim, keep doing everything to just. just wear him out. And it showed when we play him when he was four for 11, eight points.
Starting point is 00:05:30 And that's what their bigs have to do. They got to be active. They got to be active. Dwight Howard's got to be active. AD's got to hit the offensive glass. Put pressure on him. He's very comfortable offensively. You've got to make him play on both ends. By the way, AD only had a couple of rebounds last night. He's obviously a great talent. I've always said he's a tad soft to me, doesn't have a ton of dog in him. I've never felt that he really wanted to be, he doesn't want to be a five. He wants to be a four. He wants to run up and down the floor. Did you think last night it was just conscious that he just, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:01 he just didn't want to battle last night? With two rebounds, 80 knows, everyone knows that's unacceptable. He knows that he's got to, in this series, he's got to be getting 25 and 10 every night. And the most important thing is offensive rebounds. I think, like I said about Jokk is to wear him out and fatigue him and make him tired, 80's got to get at least four offensive rebounds of games, just to wear him out.
Starting point is 00:06:25 foul trouble on him. That's how you wear out big men in our league, whether it's Joe Kitch, M. B, DeMarcus cousin when he was at when he was at his peak. To get those guys off their game offensively, you've got to be extra active when your team has the ball. So whether it's the glass, rebounding, setting pick and rolls rolling, that's what A.D. needs to do. And yes, you know, everyone questions, does he like playing the five? But in this series, 80 has to accept that roll at the five, which I think he's doing, but he's got to have more than two rebounds. that, you know, he knows and he'll tell you himself, you know, that's unacceptable. And I think he's in a bounce back.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Well, there's three, let's shift to the Clippers. So earlier, I played detective on the show. I said, something's going on with the Clippers. We have three different stories that have leaked on Paul George, that his teammates rolled their eyes when he said, hey, it's not about this year, it's about long-term. We have stories that he was arguing with teammates. A lot of this stuff wasn't visible.
Starting point is 00:07:21 this is people within the organization, somebody leaking stuff. And I said, Tristan, stuff gets out because somebody wants it out. Somebody's not, like the Clippers maybe are getting these stories out because they're about ready to move him and they want to protect themselves when they move him. They can say, look, look, look,
Starting point is 00:07:39 he didn't get along with anybody and his teammates bailed on him. What do you make of all these Paul George stories coming out? It seems to me it's almost planned. Now, I'm very familiar with, team meetings that become on my Twitter, on my phone, and 30 minutes later, and it's either shams or woe's talking about. I'm so used to it.
Starting point is 00:07:59 I'm like, I sort of the team meeting. Who is calling their agent or who's friends with the media? But I think I know Paul George really well, and with him having that talk after the game, Paul George's heart meet is in the right place. I know he wants everyone to feel better after the game, but for me as a player, after, you know, we tricked off a 3-1 lead and lose,
Starting point is 00:08:20 The last thing I want to hear is, you know, a speech that, you know, that, hey, you know, guys, you did a good job, but there's always next year. Like, I'm furious. I'm upset. The last thing I want to hear is, hey, guys, you got next year. I know what he's trying to do in terms of like, hey, guys, you know, we didn't get to where we want to get to. Let's guys stay locked in. Get better this summer. Let's work on our game.
Starting point is 00:08:40 The timing is just not the right moment, especially with, you know, him getting in the verbal altercation with Tres and all that. I think his heart's in the right place. Just the timing was off. But like you said, people put stuff out there to get the noise going. But I think Paul George isn't the problem. I think they just got to find a better way to make everyone mesh. But if somebody's, let me ask you this. If you, when you're in Cleveland and a bunch of stuff leaked about you,
Starting point is 00:09:09 wouldn't you question, okay, wouldn't you question if those guys have your back? Like if I'm Paul George this morning, I'm thinking, I got three different stories leaked on me. These guys don't have my back. This staff doesn't have my back. How can a player trust his teammates when three stories from three different reporters leak out? I think, you know, being around when we had Kyrie, Braun, and Kay Love, you know, they gave Kev a hard time. And even Kyrie, I think the key is to kind of have thick skin. Of course, you know, you could definitely go in the locker room and send a text to me like, man, like, you know, who's talking?
Starting point is 00:09:44 Like, like, Braun's definitely said that in our locker room. Like, what we do in-house is our business. Don't be going out and telling people. Like, you know, like, obviously it never always works, but the fact that if you say it one time, at least makes a guy think and wonder. Yeah. But, yeah, it's definitely a weird feeling.
Starting point is 00:10:01 But it's part of the game. I think for PG, it's just, you know, control you can control, which is, you know, get back in that gym, show everyone that you're working hard. You know, of course he had a, not his best game and the style of fashion
Starting point is 00:10:12 that they went out in terms of his performance. So just control, you can control PG and just get in the gym. So next year when you're in the situation, and you're up for you, you don't have to worry about that. You guys handle business and get to the next round.
Starting point is 00:10:23 By the way, you may have given me some good information. Now, you have to be totally honest with me. Did LeBron occasionally leak stories? Occasionally? No, LeBron would never, I don't think LeBron ever leaked a story. I feel like most of our stories
Starting point is 00:10:40 might have came from guys that don't wear the jersey. So you cross out about 12 guys. I think most of the stories came from people that were probably maybe wearing the suits. With our team, with our team, we were kind of more straight shooter. If you look at our roster, we had a more straight shooter guys and guys that really weren't
Starting point is 00:10:59 cool with the media like that. So because they'd always talk bad about us, so we're like, you know, screw them. So we kind of kept stuff in-house because we had a lot of stuff that we went through. We'll hopefully get a Netflix special like The Last Dance so we can talk about some stuff. Okay, so the Miami-Boston series, they're very young teams. You have two great players, Jimmy Butler and Jason. Tatum. It's very easy to look at those two and say they'll decide the series. You have two very competent coaches, Eric Spolstra, Brad Stevens. So you got two stars, one each team, two great coaches.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Is there a key beyond the coaching, beyond Butler and Jason Tatum? What is the key going forward in your opinion of this series, Miami and the Celtics? So the key for Miami, I feel in the first two games, was Drag. I think if Miami wants to win this series and go on to the finals, it's Drogic. If you look at Drogic's numbers, last game, he didn't play too well. The first two games, he had 20 points, made big threes, made big plays. He's the key for Miami because when he plays at a high level and he's creating, he's finding guys in the threes and a pick and roll, finding BAM on the Oops and making
Starting point is 00:12:08 threes, they're definitely tough to guard. But for Boston, they figured out something. Miami does a really good job running a zone, but the problem with their zone is that like any zone, the middle is always open, and I feel like Boston realized, let's attack the zone. The first two games Boston were shooting, threes, and settling, they realized that let's get in the middle of the paint and let's put pressure on them because at the end of the day, if you go guard for guard, Boston has Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, Marcus Mark, Campbell Walker, four starters on almost every team in our league against Miami's guards that are, you know, they're good, but if you look at the,
Starting point is 00:12:46 if you have to compare, people would say Boston with the edge. had winning this series. But the question is, it's a chess match. Bosset, I think, figured it out in terms of attacking the zone, and just, they have big guards. Be big and attack their big. Attack their guards. Attack Drogh.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Attack Tyler Hero. Attacked Duncan Robinson. Those guys aren't top-tier defenders. You got to attack them. You ever notice something like that shirt Tristan Thompson wears looks great on him. If John Goulet and I wore that shirt, we would look ridiculous and you wear it. and you looked like some style maven, some style. Now, where did you get that?
Starting point is 00:13:24 Give somebody props for that. Where did you get that? It's actually a friend of mine, Jack McClain. He played for the U. He played for the U. So he gave me this shirt, hooked me up. I always take the free $99. So I was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:13:39 Let me wear it, support my boy. And it's, you know, I feel like I get the Tommy Bahama yacht club feels. So I was like, why not brighten up the room? Yeah. If I wore a shirt with big birds on it, I mean, people would say, listen, you can't come into the room. I'd be a security risk.
Starting point is 00:13:53 You wear it and look like a million bucks. Tristan is good at seeing you, buddy. Always good to you, Colin. Thank you. All right, good stuff. When it comes to reaching my health goals, it's about changing mindsets and habits. Go to noem.com slash herd. N-O-O-M-com slash her.
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Starting point is 00:16:19 this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes.
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Starting point is 00:17:55 If you came in here with that shirt on, which is a very nice shirt. Yeah, it was. But you know, oh, you always wear buttoned outs. Like, the craziest you will get with colors is like you had a mint on the other day. No, they came, they came, when I first came to Fox, they came with, uh, I don't know. do dots. Well, dots aren't good for television anyway. I'm not a dot guy.
Starting point is 00:18:15 They look like they're moving. Today, I have very, I'm not, I don't like a lot of colors and stuff. I mess with my hair, big mistake. Now I'm messing with my face. I'm 50-50. That works. Don't screw with shirts. I don't want, when you watch the show, I don't want you to watch my shirt.
Starting point is 00:18:30 I want you to hear what I'm saying. That's fair. I go a little more wild with the colors. So there's been a huge debate about whether this year's NBA title will have an aster next to it. And Kevin Durant picked the side he's on when he was asked about whoever the champion is in the bubble. Will they be respected as much as the champions from any other season?
Starting point is 00:18:51 Yeah, of course. You still had to play against these dudes. I think it's going to be respected for sure. Probably more respected. It's tough for them boys in there, man. They've been away from everybody for that long. You're the last one standing. That's going to be tough.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Totally agree. I think this is unbelievable. So ask yourself that we've talked about this. My entire life, here's what the NBA. playoffs look like. The old guys take over and the young guys shrink. For the only time in my life, the young guys have exploded and the old guys outside of LeBron have been shrinking. Why? Because the old guys aren't around their kids and their family. And they're much more conditioned to playing in front of these crowds and playoff crowds, their routine going into the playoffs. How long has
Starting point is 00:19:34 LeBron been? How long have the Lakers old team been there? Okay. So game seven of the finals was originally expected to be on October 12th. It could be later if the conference finals both go into seven games, which we don't know, but we'll see. If the four remaining teams, the four remaining teams arrived in Orlando on July 7th through the 9th. So if the finals go to seven games,
Starting point is 00:19:54 the two teams would have been in the bubble just over three months. Folks, I go to a resort with my wife. After six days, I'm going, I need to go home. Six days is too long for vacation for me. Like, people go, you should go on a cruise. I'm like on a boat for seven days. What am I, Gilligan? I can't do. I can't even go
Starting point is 00:20:15 to a boat for seven day. You're in a hotel room. And by the way, Disney's got nice stuff. I've been in Disney World with my kids a zillion times. I can't go there for two weeks. Yeah. Look, no one's saying that I don't have top of the line accommodations, food. Yes. They can go fishing. They can go golfing. They have little activities and DJs and they have a pool and they have spikes. They have stuff to do. Okay. So it's not like they are, you know, camping in the wilderness for three months, you know, naked and afraid or something. But they're away from their families. They're away from their routine. They're away from their homes for three months with nothing but basketball and their teammates.
Starting point is 00:20:52 Contrary to popular belief, there is no, they're not hanging out with media. The media is on the other side of the complex. Like, this is a lot. And it's not, no one's asking for sympathy. It's just the facts. Like, they're away from their family for three months. This is not normal. This is not what they sign.
Starting point is 00:21:08 signed up for. It's very difficult. Would this be something that an NBA player would have to do? So, and yes, they're being compensated because as soon as everyone talks about this, they're like, they make a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:21:18 They get paid for this. Yes. But that's not what, when they were like, oh, I want to be an NBA player. Once a year, I'm going to have to go away from my family for three months. That wasn't what they signed up for.
Starting point is 00:21:26 This is a very unique situation. It's very stressful. And we saw what happened with the clippers. By the way, it's stressful on coaches. Yeah, we're only stressful on the players. There's staff. There's coaches who cannot bring their family.
Starting point is 00:21:38 in, right? The coaches may be able to, but I don't know, I don't think the staff can bring people in. How many people can you bring in? Hey, listen, if LeBron wins this, it's not a deficit. It's a credit. It's another credit. To whoever wins this, it's going to be a credit because this has been an extreme
Starting point is 00:21:54 situation to deal with as a player. LeBron gets to the final. His fifth coach, he's gone to the final with. Michael Jordan got to the finals with one. Could never get with a second coach. Michael couldn't win with a second team.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Okay. I'll tell you, it's a big chessboard, and LeBron's knocked all the pawns on. The king remains. He's definitely knocking down some critics, especially doing it in the West this year. So Tom Brady is still working on getting on the same page with the rest of the buck's offense, and he admits it's going to take a while before he's fully in sync with his new team. Well, I think we're going to be building it all season. As much as we'd love for everything to come together instantaneously, we all realize it's going to take some time.
Starting point is 00:22:36 We're all getting to know each other, getting to know each other personally, getting to know each other professionally, figuring out how everyone can play a different role and play it well. So it's going to take us a little bit of time and we're going to work our ass off to get it right. If they think about this, if they improved 5 to 6% every week. Now that sounds granular, right? Like that's it. By Thanksgiving, you're 50% better of its football team. It's just if you're 5, 6 better, just a little better every week. You look at Thanksgiving, you're like, oh, there.
Starting point is 00:23:06 a significantly better team. It's just don't take these big jumps. The first thing they have to work on is start, I would say the next two or three weeks, acknowledge tight end is a position and throw to it because they've got three guys that can play and they're not even looking at the tight end. It's
Starting point is 00:23:22 going to take some time with Tom Brady and the Bucks. But the unique situation with Tom Brady and the Bucks is they don't really have time. So yes, you're right. It probably is a gradual growth situation, but it's Tom Brady.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Here's another thing. Atlanta's a hot mess. Carolina's clearly in a rebuild. And New Orleans isn't as good as we thought. So this, again, this is like Philadelphia. You've got a little bit of runway here. You're not in a division with Baltimore or Kansas City or Seattle where you look up in there 8 and 0 or 7 and 1. Like
Starting point is 00:23:56 New Orleans plays Green Bay this weekend. Yeah. Well, so New Orleans looked great in the first game. And now they're without Michael Thomas. And that performance. Here comes Aaron Rogers, we know Michael Thomas, so it's like if the Saints are 1 and 2, you've got some runway here to get it. Yeah, capitalize on the situation. So we're big into facial hair around here now.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Yeah. It's a showdown between Fitzmagic and Minshu Mania on Thursday night football tomorrow. I'm going to watch that, actually. I'm excited for it. The two quarterbacks are known for their strong choices and facial hair, and they traded some jabs ahead of their matchup. Brian Fitzpatrick started off. He was asked why beards are better than mustaches. The mustache versus the beard.
Starting point is 00:24:38 I mean, I think the beard is a cooler look. And I think guys that grow mustaches a lot of times have patchy sides for their beards. So they just stick with the mustache. Gardner mentioned she has a pretty strong mustache, but he was not phased by Fitzpatrick's comment. So here was his response to Fitzpatrick. Yeah, I think I've strong. I can grow a beard with no patchy sides. But, you know, I'm going to have respect for my elders.
Starting point is 00:25:05 You know, especially when they're much, much elder. Minchu, look, you know what I want to say something? I want you to watch tomorrow night with Minshu. So I've made this comment before. I do not want this to come across as negative. But Minchew and Baker Mayfield played in the same offensive system in college with the exact same numbers. The difference is Baker had much better teammates at Oklahoma.
Starting point is 00:25:27 Watch Gardner Minshew tomorrow. Tell me the difference with him in Baker Mayfield. Tell me the difference. And I'm not knocking Baker. because I've said Baker's a franchise quarterback. When you watch Minchoo play, I see Baker Mayfield. He can run around a little bit. He can be a little loose sometimes, a little looser than I like.
Starting point is 00:25:46 But this kid ran Baker's offense. Remember, Mike Leach was his coach, Gardner Minchew. Mike Leach is sort of the godfather of what Lincoln Riley runs. So Baker and Minchew did the exact same college offense. Go look at their numbers. Identical. And both had a different path. Baker was a two-time walker.
Starting point is 00:26:04 on. I think Minchu was, Minchu wasn't a walk on, but he bounced around a couple of places. Minchew is Baker Mayfield. The difference is one guy got picked in the first round and has you know, progressive commercials and the other guy is, you know, nobody from Pullman. Well, similarly, they
Starting point is 00:26:20 both play with kind of an unapologetic confidence. Yes. So, they're a little raw. Right. But Minchu has arrived as a franchise quarterback. Like he's playing well enough to be, to have that job. I mean, he's gotten cosigned by everyone in the league now.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Like, he's, he is, that is his job. This is an interesting game for Jacksonville, though, because, and for Miami, because if Miami loses this game, especially after Singh Harvard, and now we've seen Joe Burrow, that, that, Tua noise is going to start building in Miami really quickly. God. Actually, if I'd have told you before the season, Jacksonville, Miami, but you watch it, and Greg Kosell set on their show 10 days ago, and he said it like, Not smiling.
Starting point is 00:27:05 He's like... No, he said it with conviction. He said, Gardner Minch who's a franchise quarterback. Like, you guys can talk about all the other college guys. He is an NFL franchise quarterback. Now, I'm not saying Jacksonville still wouldn't take him, but we are running out of teams that need a quarterback. Like New York Giants, Daniel Jones struggles next two months.
Starting point is 00:27:23 They may just bail on him. Trevor Lawrence in New York. Oh, my gosh. Well, they don't have anybody else now that's Seqon's out. There's nobody to market. Nope. Nobody in New York's watching the Jets or Giants. The ratings came out last week.
Starting point is 00:27:32 They were shocking. They were the worst in the league. New York was the worst ratings in the league of any city. Making you blame them? No, jets are unwatchable. But they're both unwatchable. They're awful. Joy with the news.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. All right. We'll play ready or not. Things around the NFL, I'm ready to admit, or not.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the I-Hard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.
Starting point is 00:28:35 A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations
Starting point is 00:28:58 with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.
Starting point is 00:29:20 So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and. at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim?
Starting point is 00:29:47 Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.
Starting point is 00:30:07 I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?
Starting point is 00:30:26 Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests.
Starting point is 00:30:50 I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. We don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross,
Starting point is 00:31:11 because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood,
Starting point is 00:31:29 pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free. iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now. MDrive for men. Check it out today. Lean muscle. Walgreens, Rite Aid has it. Take a supplement every morning. Okay, we're going to play in best for last. Ready or not ready? We're two games in. Some things look pretty obvious. Joe Burrell's pretty good. Gardner Minchu's better than we thought. Trabiski
Starting point is 00:31:56 is still struggling. There's other things that are not so obvious. Is Dallas this much of a mess, or will they get it together? Or the Rams this good? We're going to play ready or not ready with 10 different topics. Here we go, Joy. The 49ers are done for the season. Ready or not? Not ready. First of all, they still run the ball, top five running team.
Starting point is 00:32:18 They don't turn it over. They have one turnover this season. They're getting Garoppolo may play this weekend. And outside of Bosa's injuries, these are people that are coming back. Their schedule is actually fine for two or three weeks. They play the Giants this weekend. win. It's brutal week six through 13, but outside of Bosa, all these guys should return by week five or six. Justin Herbert should start for the Chargers, ready or not? I'm ready. Listen,
Starting point is 00:32:47 I like Tyrod Taylor. He has one 300-plus-yard passing game in 47 career starts. Justin Herbert has one start and pass for 300 yards. This is an operation in the Chargers in Los Angeles between the Dodgers, between the Lakers, between the clippers, between the options for people, the beach, the mountains, doesn't have much of an identity. They're the second most popular NFL team in the same stadium. Herbert gives them juice. And just watch him. He's a big, strong kid with a big arm can move.
Starting point is 00:33:19 He's got a lot of burrow. He's got a better arm than burrow. So let him play. The Jets should move on from Adam Gase, ready or not. Okay, not ready yet. But in two weeks, they play Denver at home. You better win that football game. they do have an egregious amount of wide receiver and running back injuries.
Starting point is 00:33:37 They have no starters. Everybody's hurt. Labian Bell, Jameson Crowder, Breschard Paraming, Denzel Mims, now they're centers out. The Niners and the Jets literally have lost combined a dozen good players. But in two weeks, Denver at home without Drew Locke, if that game's not competitive, it's time to get rid of him. Russell Wilson will win his first MVP, ready or not. I'm ready. Remember, the last two winners, Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes, have had great September's and got off to a lead. And as you know, MVP's about story. It's hard. I remember when Carson Palmer in college won it and nobody talked about him for the first seven weeks.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And it was shocking because it was the last time I remember a Heisman winner that nobody discussed three quarters through the season. Then he got really hot late and everybody and he won. Usually the way the MVPs go, you get a lot of discussion early. you get a lead on the discussion and he either pull away or you hold everybody off. And Russell's September is going to give him, plus the narrative he's never gotten involved. I would say he's easily the front runner. Tua should start for the dolphins, ready or not? Not ready. First of all, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buffalo is a good team and the good defense. Ryan Fitzpatrick once again was pretty good against Buffalo's defense.
Starting point is 00:34:55 So Ryan can play. Also, and this is one of the reasons I picked Miami to come. cover the spread last week. In fact, I thought they would win is this was a really good team at the end of last year. We like them. And through two games this year, New England, if you just buy into this argument, New England's better than we thought, why wouldn't I look Ryan Fitzpatrick? I got another five games with Ryan Fitzpatrick. I just, this team is going in the right direction. Just, just, the schedule softens up in October, November. Then if Fitzpatrick struggles, we can move to it in. The Eagles will miss the playoffs, ready or not?
Starting point is 00:35:32 I'm not ready to go there. First of all, last year they started one and two, and they made the playoffs. This division's horrible, or at least in the conversation for one of the two weakest in the NFL. We've got a lot of runway here. You get a lot of time to fix your problems. Also, they're without three of their top five offensive linemen. It's why the Steelers last week struggled a lot against Denver, despite facing Jeff
Starting point is 00:35:56 Driscoll, but the Steelers were missing three offensive linemen. let's let's let's let's let Philadelphia's offensive line get itself right physically then I can make more proclamations and have a more conviction on what's wrong with it right now carson wends is off just give me two or three more weeks let the offensive line get help and they have the bangles this week yeah browns need to trade odal beckham junior ready or not i'm ready okay d'andre hopkins kiner murray worked instantly like it doesn't take this long i mean by the way tom brady and mike Evans, week two, it clicked. So Beckham has gone,
Starting point is 00:36:32 O'Dell Beckham, Jr., 12 straight games without 100 plus receiving yards, five touchdowns in 18 games. Now remember, with the Giants, he had 44 touchdowns in 59 games, and we didn't think at the end, Eli was
Starting point is 00:36:48 giving him enough love. So I just think they have so many weapons, they're really going to become a power running team. That's what Cleveland's going to become. They're a power running team. I think They'll do very well. And so I just think they've got some issues on the back end of their defense right now. You could solve.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Don't kid me. There's several teams in this league. I think Seattle and OBJ, you know, New England, if you gave Cam one vertical threat, New England's a handful. There are people. And OBJ, to his credit, has not been disruptive. He's been a good team player. I don't feel this situation where, oh, he's got to blow up this culture.
Starting point is 00:37:26 Well, B.J wants to win games and make catches. When he goes into infrastructures that are a little loose, like the Giants of the end in Cleveland, he struggles with that. Brady shouldn't have left Belichick, ready or not. That's slow down. First of all, Mike Evans had a hamstring first week. Chris Godwin last week missed concussion protocol. Gronks just out of retirement. Let's let it work.
Starting point is 00:37:50 And also, again, as I said with Carson Wentz, if the Saints lose to the Packers this week, We know Carolina's rebuilding, and we know Atlanta's kind of a mess, and Dan Quinn's about to get canned. If the Saints lose this weekend, Tom's in first place if he wins, and this is not, this division is not quite as good as we thought it would be. So we've got time here to let this thing bake and work out. The Packers are Super Bowl contenders, ready or not? I know what you're going to say you hate Aaron Rogers. I'm not ready. Minnesota's not good at all.
Starting point is 00:38:25 In fact, Mike Zimmer's on the hot seat now. They replaced, they lost two corners, their best pass rusher, and they've had injuries. And then they played Detroit. Well, I mean, they're a mess. Detroit's a mess. Matt Patricia's done. So give me two more weeks. By the way, their schedule coming up at Saints, at Bucks, at Niners, then we'll know more.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Cam is a good fit with the Patriots, ready or not. Yeah, I mean, I'm ready. Listen, the Julian Edelman Cam thing was so good. you have to literally have blinders on or be anti-CAM to not acknowledge Nikiel, Harry and Cam works, and Edelman in Cam works. It's like, okay, if I can get those two to work, it's going to work.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Because I know the defense is good, and I know they'll run with Cam. Derek Carr is the quarterback of the future for the Raiders. Yes, let me give you a stat on Derek Carr. Third Downs matter. He has 141 pass-a-rating on third down this year. Derek Carr weapons at work. Derek Carr can play.
Starting point is 00:39:25 Derek Carr can wing it. There's a lot of Tony Romo there with him. All right, everybody. Love the show. See you tomorrow for join everybody. The Hurd. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
Starting point is 00:40:17 embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th.
Starting point is 00:40:40 You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me.
Starting point is 00:41:12 84's big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick you here, unpack what went down, and try to be. to make sense of how we survived it with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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