The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Robert Griffin III joins The Herd

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Pro Bowler and Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III (RG3) joins the show to break down Caleb Williams emerging as a legitimate franchise quarterback, and to preview the massive Ohio State vs. Michigan rivalry showdownSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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When Tim Tebow came into the league, I was like, come on, give me a break. you know, it's just, it's fun, it's a great story. And there's some of that with Shadur. The difference is Shadur can play. Shadur can make an NFL throws. My take is, I think he needs, there's a little bit more self-awareness. I think a little more maturity, but he grew up.

But he grew up as a rich kid with his famous dad. It's not, it's not a normal life like the rest of us lived, right? So, but I will say this. He provides something Dylan Gabriel, in my opinion, did not. big downfield throws. And to me, I would just let him run the seat. I've seen Dylan. He stabilized the offense.

I kind of like I'd give Shador this season. What say you? Yeah, Colin, I would do the same. And listen, I had a relationship with every quarterback that has been there this season for the Cleveland Browns. Joe Flack was teammates with him in Baltimore. No Kenny Pickett really, really well, no Dylan well, and no Shadir well. And when you watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose, and more excitement than they have all season long because of his ability to make the extended play. And with that comes mistakes.

He'd do a bad interception, but he bounced back really well off of it. And when I watched him play and you saw Miles Garrett's reaction on the sideline when he throws that deep shot to Isaiah Bond, they weren't reacting like that with any other quarterback in the game. So I think he has the pulse of the team, the pulse of the city. and some of that self-awareness you're talking about, he is self-aware that he believes he is going to be successful. So he speaks confidently. He walks around confidently, and that is why he's not afraid to make those types of throws deep down the field

because he is not afraid of the potential mistakes, which you can't say that for every other quarterback that's been under center there. Yeah, and there is something, Robert, about locker rooms. Like, I remember talking to players who played with Michael Vicks. and they were like, man, Michael made you feel bigger and faster. Like Michael was like our, you know, Michael in the fourth quarter, you'd play better defense because you're like, just give Michael, just give Michael one more possession.

You're saying that's a real thing with certain players. Yeah, I think it is. And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches is because he is going to do what you ask him to do. And he's going to get it done, right? But coaching, the difference, I always believe this, Colin, the difference between coaching and playing is the players know how to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional.

They never drew up that play, that deep shot to Isaiah Bond and said, all right, Chedare, what we want you to do is when they pressure, escape the pocket immediately. Run to your right and throw a 52-yard bomb down the field. That was not in the game plan, okay? But great players, guys, you have a good feel for the game, they find their ways into those types of plays. Even the Jerry Judy pass where I don't know what he was doing

with the hop, skipping a jump, trying to do a high step in the middle of the field. But those are plays that Dylan Gabriel isn't making because he is such like a coaching 101 type of player. You have to live with the good and the bad from Shadur. That screen pass for a touchdown was exactly how they drew it up. But you've got to take those plays with some of his unconventional playmaking as well because he will make the team feel bigger and brighter.

themselves. Heck, the defense had 10 sacks. I think that's a byproduct if they were excited to have Shudder Sanders out there on the field with him. A team, I think, is really good, is Seattle. Now, they didn't meet the Rams, but nobody, I mean, the Rams haven't trailed in weeks. And the Rams don't have penalties. They don't turn it on.

Rams are playing at a level right now. You only worry is, do they peak? But JSN is about to break an all-time NFL record if he keeps it up. So I want you to tell me, you do college and pro. What? makes him so special. If it was easy, everybody could do it.

He doesn't run a 4-25. He's not the biggest guy. What is he doing that other receivers who are bigger, who are faster, aren't doing? Yeah, I think, you know, I do love to quote this person because the hips don't lie. And that's what Shakira told us all, right? And I look at JSN and I say he's a hip connoisseur. You talk about his ability to feel leverage and work guys. leverage against themselves. We talked about this off air. He has a knack for finding open space,

but I think his next level trait is he is not worried about catching the football. He's so confident in that regard that when the ball is in the air, he's already thinking, how can I make the next play? He caught that pass down the field this past weekend, and most guys would fall as soon as they feel contact just to make sure they can secure the catch. He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there. He's catching the ball, and he's like, how do I get to the end zone? To me, his ability to do those things is what makes him to a quarterback's best friend. He's going to be on time.

He's going to be in rhythm. He's going to be open. He's going to use your leverage against you as a DB, and he's going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to score touchdowns. Okay, so the thing with Caleb is four straight games under 60%. I always feel like the bigger ceiling you have, I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins. if you can throw like him or run like Cam. I don't need 60.

If you're Drew Breeze, I don't get the deep ball. If you're Kirk Cousins, I don't get the movement. So Caleb hit 61.5% and I got the big plays. I'm good with it. He does miss stuff. Let me ask you. Is accuracy, how correctable is it? Some things, some guys in the NBA,

John Morant was never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook has worked his tail off. He's not. But right, like some things. things are correctable and some guys are never great shooters. When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just say, hey, listen, don't worry about it. You're getting so much upside. If he gets 61% that's gravy on top everything else. How do you view that? I view it as, I'm going to say this and people might not love it, but accuracy is a myth. All right? If I, you just saw that ball he

threw behind the tight end, but if he throws that and puts that ball in the right place, the right place might be on the guy's shoelaces. The right place might be his back shoulder when he's running full speed to his front shoulder being the right side of his body. Accuracy to me is always dependent upon where the defense is

and what you're trying to get the receiver to do. So where I think his 61% completion percentage comes from is more so the fact that he is willing to take more chances to have big plays occur which drives down his completion percentage. Do you

want a guy that's going to be a checkdown, Charlie? Do you want a guy that is not going to take those risks deep down the field because he's afraid to make mistakes? I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is. I think he's aggressive by nature and what Ben Johnson has been able to accomplish with him

is eliminate those negative plays that I heard you talking about earlier on this show. I think their relationship is perfect because what Caleb gives him, you mentioned this about Jared Gough. Jared, if it's there, and you scheme it up, he's going to hit it.

Caleb gives you the ability that when you get into the playoffs, it's no longer about just the X's and the O's. It's about the Jimmies and the Joe's. And Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joe's that is going to make a play that is going to make your jaw hit the ground. And you need that at the quarterback position. And I think they just have that perfect match of,

okay, let me get into my Wussai moments and make sure I do what I need to do. and then when it's time to be Superman, Caleb Williams can do that as well. All right, a couple of college questions, because you're so good at this. I said, if you don't have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall Street, in Silicon Valley, or in college football are going to be aggressive. In the NFL, I can't go poach Andy Reader, Sean Peyton, Week 8. But in college, in college I can, and LSU didn't give a rip about Ole Miss.

So if you don't have stipulations, regulations, or roadblocks, well, I'm just going to go buy your coach. I don't blame the individual. I blame the sport. Or am I wrong? Is there loyalty? Am I being, you know, I don't want to be Pollyanna about it. But it's like I just think in life, smart aggressive people, if you don't have regulations, are going to be aggressive.

And I'm not going to blame Lane. How do you view it? No, I think you're 100% right there, Colin. It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the price is similar. Okay, if Ole Miss is coming to Lang Kiffin and saying, hey, you've done a great job here, you've built this program, backup, we're a national title contender year after year now with you being at the helm, and we're going to offer you $85 million to be our coach. Well, then I think Lynn Kiffin would be an idiot to leave and go to LSU or go. go to Florida. But if they're saying, hey, here's $90 million over here at another school, and the school you're currently at is going to give you 60? Yeah, there's no loyalty there. And I think

anyone that is claiming that they would take the 60 over the 90 is lying to you. You should never trust them in anything. So I understand what Lane Kiffin's history, that people say, oh, well, he's done this. He did this with the Raiders. He did that over at Alabama. Did this at Tennessee, at USC, whatever it may be. But in this situation, if Ole Miss isn't going to match with the other schools are willing to pay him,

or at least get close within a couple million, then he should leave. And he would be right to do that by his family. Because although it might be more risky to go to LSU and more risky to potentially go to Florida,

if they're going to pay him significantly more, he knows, hey man, if they fire me in four years because of the buyouts, I'm going to the bank with $90 million. dollars, I might never have to coach ever again in my life. And I can take care of my family.

So I think that part of it, he is a human being. He has a family to take care of. And he has to look out in the best interest of his family, especially when the dollars don't match. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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Okay, finally, it's not that USC lost. Winning at Outson is really hard. Buckeyes lost there last year. After the loss, Lincoln Riley says, oh, we're close, and I'm like, timeout. 27 carries, 52 yards. If Kirby Smart had a team that ran for 52 yards on 27 carries, he would be furious. He would be outraged.

I mean, it would be laps on the track after the game. And my take is this whole thing about we're close. You got whacked at Notre Dame. You got whacked at Oregon. I mean, a couple years ago, whacked at Michigan. You got to beat Illinois. I think it's the mindset four years in, in big games against the best teams, Penn State, doesn't matter where it's at.

Notre Dame, Michigan last year, Illinois, Oregon. You can't make stops and your special teams are a wreck. Yeah. I mean, it's not that you'll love. lose to Oregon. Oregon didn't play well. I mean, Oregon had it in the first happening like seven penalties. Oregon was missing three receivers.

I just think to myself, nobody wants to hear that. You got to understand. This is, when Pete was here, there was no NFL. It was next to the Lakers. It's the biggest show in town. Correct. So what do you take from

well, we're close? How does that land for you? Well, Colin, I do I do think they are close. And the thing is, what you just brought up is probably the thing that's weighing heaviest on Lincoln Riley. They brought him in to bring back the show.

And in order for the show to really be there, you have to win the big games on the field. No one cares if you beat Northwestern. They, they care if you can beat Oregon. And I think what this team has been going through over the last couple seasons,

is adjusting to playing in the Big Ten, even though I know Oregon is an old Pac-12 opponent and an old Pac-12 rivalry, they're adjusting their style of play to having to play against the bigger, meteor offense and defensive lines that they're facing in the Big Ten. And when I say, yes, they are close.

They have the quarterback. They're down there starting two running backs. King Miller is a great story, but he wasn't their starter going into the season for a reason. it's because Waymo, Jordan, and Eli Sanders were better running backs. So I don't look at this and make excuses for Lincoln. I do think Lincoln Riley is a great coach. I think that him leaving Oklahoma the way that he did rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

I think he is feeling that pressure knowing that he's on a 10-year deal, and they haven't gotten to where they need to be quite yet. I do think they get there. I think his answers in the media are to not add more pressure and more backlash to what he's already receiving from the media itself. So he has to be confident and he has to say, I think we're close. Otherwise, if he gives up, then everyone's really going to start calling for him to get fired more so than they already are. I know.

Nobody wants to throw it out there. I think Ohio State's going to bury Michigan this weekend in Ann Arbor. Barry him. You think they're going to bury him? I think this defense, you have to go back about maybe the Jalen Carter Georgia defense, maybe one of Knicks. I'm telling you, linebacker, secondary, the windows are tiny. It's a freshman quarterback. I'm with you.

And I like you. He is 19. I can't say I'm with you that they're going to bury them. I do think the fact that Michigan is one of the last four meetings does mean something. I think when you have this rivalry, the records go out the window. And there's two big factors. One, how healthy is Jeremiah Smith and Carnel Tate going to be if they play in this game? Because if they don't play, I think that's not just a big factor.

It's also going to hurt the defense because this defense is extremely talented. But the one thing you can never truly account for is Underwood and his ability to make extended plays. Every defensive coordinator, when they face a guy that can make plays with his arm and his legs, stay up all night about it. So that to me are the two biggest factors. How are they going to keep him bottled up? And then are they going to have their full arsenal of weapons on the offensive side? This is a really great game to watch because of the magnitude of it.

And I believe this, Colin, if Michigan beats Ohio State, I think the Big Ten gets four teams, four teams into the college football playoff. I know. That's one way to end the show, isn't it? You're saying if. Like you gave it a big old possibility. It's always a possibility. And listen, I got no bias.

I got no dog in the fight when it comes to who are you more loyal to Ohio State or Michigan. I just know that this game means everything. And we've seen Michigan beat Ohio State when they weren't very good. So now Michigan has clawed their way back into at least somewhat of a conversation of having a chance to make the college football playoff. This is their Super Bowl. If they win it, I think they get in. Robert, always a pleasure, my friend. Appreciate you, brother.

He's so good on that stuff. Can go NFL, go college. The JSN stuff is, it's just crazy. That a wide receiver can end with like 2100 yards. And I do think it helps that Donald loves to throw the ball down the field. He has taken big swings, and he's a great, not only is a great route runner underneath, he can get deep on people. So show us flying by. I'm going to give Nick right three hours today.

I was going to call management, cut him back an hour because we got a lot of stuff. But today I'll give him three. Tomorrow, it's anybody's guess. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeartRadio app. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going to be. down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel,

help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real.

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She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerna Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface, because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court-side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the I-Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.

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Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I was watching the Rams last night. You have to have a multi-faceted approach to build a roster. They went and got Nate Landman from Atlanta, a one-year deal for a nickel. The guy's a pro bowler. I mean, the guy's playing out of his mind. They go get Devonte Adams. They were paying them less than Calvin Ridley makes.

Unstoppable. Like the number one red. zone threat in the league right now. And Emmanuel Forbes, they got him off waivers, I think from Washington. He may be their best corner. I mean, if you're going to pay Stafford and you're going to, you know, you pay Rob Havenstein and you're going to pay, you know, your tight end, your top tight end. And, I mean, they have done such a good job with a cap.

They are a stacked roster. They got our manual Forbes off waivers, landman for a nickel. and these guys, I mean, I mean, Devante, I'm shocked that wasn't a bidding war. He's unstoppable. He looks like the Aaron Devante prime green bay. And then they've hit on like seven of their last eight defensive picks.

They just don't miss on defense. They are, right now, Devante Adams leads the NFL in receiving touchdowns. And he's playing on the other side from Puka with a real run game. It's not like he's the only option. So you watch them, we always talk about Philadelphia's roster. Emmanuel Forbes, Nate Lammon, Devonte Adams, took a good roster and added jet fuel to it. It is a great roster.

Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. You know, we haven't talked about the Jets Ravens thriller. Baltimore was down bad at halftime, Colin. They had three points. The offense could do nothing. The Jets defense, which lost Soss Gardner and Quinn and Williams.

largely locked up Baltimore. Now the Ravens got going in the second half, but Colin, I don't know, Lamar did not look particularly sharp. 13 of 23 for a buck 53. He's not healthy. Yeah, Baltimore's offense. Yeah, I don't think he's healthy.

Anyways, here's Lamar talking about the offensive struggles against the Jets. I feel like we just need to execute, you know, a lot better. We get in great field position, but we're not putting points on the board. You know, they have nothing to do with no injury. I'm out there, so I feel like I should. to be able to do what I do?

You were saying you don't think he's healthy, huh? No, I just, he's not as elusive. I don't think he's totally healthy. I watched that game. That was a corner TV game, but I will say this. I don't know, their offense has no rhythm. I don't know what their offense is.

It was a lot of Lamar running around and throwing it up. And I would say vomiting it up. It's not like he was accurate. He had seven carries for 11 yards against the Jets. Yeah, it's not good. Something's going on. Now, quick news. They will face Cincinnati Thanksgiving night.

Joe Burrow, it's been announced he's going to play, barring some unbelievable setback. But Joe Burroughs going to go against Lamar. And in a game that doesn't mean much because the Bengals are toast for the season. But if, you know, if Pittsburgh wins, they get right back in the mix to win the division. Everybody thinks it's going to be the Ravens now. I got to see more from that offense, Colin. I don't even know that they're like a dangerous team in the postseason based on what I've seen with Lamar getting back.

Do you think they're dangerous? No. No, no. I mean, right now, they're not, they are, I mean, explosive Raven teams have struggled in the playoffs. This doesn't even, this isn't even mid. Forget explosive. Right now, they don't have an identity. They're not as elusive.

It's just, it's a, they're a hard watch. They can flip the switch at any moment, though, once Lamar starts getting into high gear. We'll see if that happens. Next up, Drake May and the Patriots, I would go off on Vrable costing me money because of his inability to call plays inside the five-yard line, Colin. New England did not look good. They had a pick six. They do get the win, 2620.

Is this playing down to your competition or what? They did not look good at all. Yeah, I mean, you're not going to play. Listen, they had been on a streak for two months. They're still young. So, I mean, you go on the road in the NFL, you got four or five guys missing on one side of the ball. Your offensive line had a couple of guys carted off.

They did. The entire left side of the line was carded off. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I just think you won. I don't care what it looks like. You know, in September and October, it's just easier to play football. Your roster's full and the weather's great and people haven't seen all your fun stuff. And then everybody's seen your stuff. You're missing four starters. Bears yesterday missed the entire linebacking court. Now is when you see where coaching comes into play. I mean, one of the reasons the Rams are so good right now,

they're healthy. You know, people are missing. A lot of teams are missing eight, nine star. Well, I guess the Rams are missing a tight end, but they've got three good ones behind it. So it's a win, a win. O lines beat up, they're fine. Well, I'll just say this. They had seven plays in the game from the one-yard line.

Do you know how many times they scored a touchdown on them? Zero. Colin, that is troubling. Josh McDaniels has, he's been around the block. You're telling me he had no good plays at the one-yard line? that is a little troublesome for me. Stevenson, I don't know that they can trust that guy in a big playoff spot. I'll just say this.

Hopefully they get the buy, because I don't even know that they're a lot to win one playoff game, Colin. We'll see. I like me as much as the next guy, but, yeah, we'll see. Final story is the Detroit Lions. Their offense was not great. The interior offensive line just crumbling against the G-Men. But Jamir Gibbs saved their bacon. 219 yards on the ground plus another 45 through the air.

he looked like a blur on the turf indoors. A monster game. First lion to rush for over 200 yards since Barry Sanders. Lions did need overtime, did not cover. They should have lost this game. The New York Giants cannot do anything when it matters most. Well, the Giants fired their defensive coordinator and should have. I mean, you know, the giant, I could be wrong.

I'm just off the top of my head. I think the Giants have led five games in the fourth quarter. Is it five? At least four. I don't know about five. No, I mean, they cannot. make stops. It was if you're going to judge Mike Kafka, you can't

do it on wins and losses. Because I, and if you're considering him, I'm going to do it on overall performance. I thought the Giants played their butt off. They don't have dart. They don't have Scataboo. They don't have Malik neighbors. I thought the Giants played their tail off. Listen, Mike Kafka, I

would almost count that as a win. He did his job. The offense was excellent. The effort was amazing. The passion was, I mean, even the trick play to James. Well, you're giving Kafka a lot of credit. James Winston played out of his mind. Colin, here's my thing.

How did Brian Daubal look at Winston, Dart, and Russell Wilson and start Russell Wilson to begin the season? James Winston looks better than Rusted at any point this season. Winston was out there bowling. I was stunned. I can't. I mean, honestly, I don't want to go overboard on one game, but did James not to you look like somebody who could compete for a starting spot

on one of these bad teams? Well, yeah, I mean, there are, There are quarterbacks that I'll build around, and there are quarterbacks for a year I would start. A bridge guy. Yeah, I think James is a clear bridge quarterback, but he's always been productive. It's not a matter of size, arm, he likes to throw the ball down the field. He's not a ding-dunk guy, and he's kind of a joyful human being. Like, he's not, he doesn't have a huge ego, a little goofy, but whatever.

He's going to have a good broadcasting career. He's full of, you know, he's full of personality. but here it. Giants have blown six fourth quarter leads. Five in the fourth quarter, they had a lead of 10 plus point. So that's why they fired

So who's that? Who's that on that? I mean, it can't all be on Daibold. Now you got Katska doing it. No, it's the D.C. He just got Kamp. J. Mack, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Line News. I want to play a Miles Garrett

comment here in a second. You know, I said this before. When Tim Tebow went on a winning streak, I mean, Saturday Night Live literally did a bit on it. It was Matt Prater's kicks in the great defense. He'd be terrible for three and a half quarters. His team would trail, but they were within reach because the Broncos' defense and kicking game was so good. But there was a fanaticism. There was a conspiracy theory. Nobody likes it. It was all nonsense. The difference is, is Shador can make NFL big boy downfield throws consistently. I think I was as shocked. Is anybody that he fell to the fifth round?

But when I watched yesterday, to be honest, it felt a little like Colorado. Is that he has bad throws, he had a terrible pick. He missed people badly. But he doesn't lack confidence. He'll throw the ball down the field. And Miles Garrett on one of his bigger throws. I mean, he put it up, and I'm just like, oh, God, who is that he going to? And he drops it in the bucket.

And I'm just like, wow, that. there's not many guys in lead that can make that throw. So that was a hell of a throw. I hope he can continue to grow and develop for making plays like that. And they'll take it from there. And that three throws, 25 yards or more downfield. Okay, that's one more than Dylan Gabriel had thrown all year. I thought RG3 nailed it.

Coaches love Dylan Gabriel. He'll settle the offense. He'll complete the pass. He'll do what's drawn up. should do her like Caleb though without Caleb's horsepower should do her sometime going to do his own thing

but you're going to take big swings and you go strike out more big swings and there are certain coaches certain offensive coaches well and defensive coaches they don't want you going too much off script and so they're you know coaches like

I mean I think Kevin Stefansky says our defense is really good don't turn the ball over and we can beat Green Bay and they did So, Chedur is not always going to be a coach's because Chedur will add lib, but he doesn't have the Steve Young, the Farr, the Caleb, the Cam, the ability to make place. He's a decent athlete, not a great athlete. But here was Stefansky announcing earlier today, Chador is the official starting quarterback going forward. Chador will start this week.

Obviously, you know, number one job of quarterback is to win, so excited to get that first win under his belt. And then next thing is improvement. And that's what young players do. Certainly young quarterbacks do. You get one game better, and that's just from working at it.

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