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All right, there's a podcast, the Athletic Football Show,
NFL rider at the Athletic as well.
But Robert Mays, when I first spotted him,
it was his food spreadsheet as I was coming in and out of Chicago,
and he's humble and he doesn't want to talk about it.
But if you ever want to find out where to eat Chicago,
It is like a depth chart for food.
It is an absolute pleasure to meet you.
We both now live in Chicago, a great North American city, a great global city.
And the bears and the Cubs dominate talk radio.
And here's my thing.
I made this argument that people can get divorced.
It doesn't mean they're bad people.
They can get remarried, fit tempo of personality matters.
I'm going to argue that Ben is Shannon.
He's on that spreadsheet.
He's a timing and structure coach.
I don't know if Caleb is a timing and structure quarterback.
So on the first drives, it's magic.
The further you get away from the spreadsheet, it doesn't look right.
It is a quarterback built to move freelance and ad lib.
Robert, what if, what if this weekend against an average cowboy defense
We get a great first drive
and more of the drag
Where do we go with this?
I was more encouraged by what he did on Sunday
After that first draft.
Do we hear all right guys to make sure
that Mike work? Does it work? Okay, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I think I was more encouraged about what I saw on Sunday
than you were after the first draft.
I think there were a lot of structural issues
with the offense that were more of a problem
than Caleb was, even beyond the first game.
The run game, some of the offensive line concerns.
I think stylistically, I am not as worry about it as you are
because I actually think that Caleb has more
similarities as a passer than to Jared Goff, then most people would think. They have very whip-like
arms. They're really good attacking the intermediate area of the field. You don't want them pushing
the ball down the field outside the numbers in a way that J-1 Hertz or Jaden Daniels would. But when you
think about some of those outbreaking routes, routes over the middle of the field, Caleb does
throw those really well. And the creation part is important, but the creation is a breaking case
from emergency thing. Even if you're Ben Johnson, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, you're never going to be
able to scheme things properly all the time. And that's why having a quarterback who can do
something out of structure is important because he makes you right when you're not right. So I do
think that there's a balance to be found between asking a guy to play in structure and then
allowing him to play outside of structure when some of those structural things start breaking down.
And then there's the other young quarterback that won't play this weekend, J.J. McCarthy. I've
said, I don't feel Caleb is overwhelmed. It's more of a fit. With J.J. McCarthy, and I was not a big
fan coming out of college. I said, I don't, I don't see it. He's never played from behind.
Harbaugh dominated that program. It was defense run game. I thought he looked overwhelmed.
And they did want to re-sign Donald. There was rumors they had Daniel Jones. There was rumors about
Aaron. Kevin O'Connell is about as sharp as they get. And seven of those eight quarters
were, I mean, jarring. Do you think there's, in the building privately, a little
concerned on their first round quarterback. I love what you said about JJ and not having to play
from behind at Michigan. They put him in really advantageous situations. Yes. And that was the whole
plan in Minnesota, is that we can plug this guy in and be okay because we've built so much
strength around him. That hasn't come to fruition in the first couple weeks because they've had
injuries, right? The offensive line, the left tackle being hurt for the first two games, you've
really seen that. Great left tackle. Very good left tackle. And now you're going to a truly below
average left tackle. And so this idea that JJ is set up to succeed because the
infrastructure is so solid, the infrastructure hasn't been solid. And so I don't think the first
couple weeks have done anything to assuage concerns you would have about him coming in,
but I also think that the Vikings haven't been able to make good on their end of the bargain so
far. I want to wait to see when the offensive line is healthier, when the run game can be a little
bit better, and you take stuff off of his plate in the way that you were planning to, what does
J.J. McCarthy look like then. If we get to the back half of the season, the offensive line is
healthy, the run game is good, and those four or five throws you're asking him to make,
are still going awry, then I think we can really get into causes for concern.
So when you live in Chicago, you are reminded as I take the train that Green Bay is right up the road.
And I will make the argument that for the last 30 years, it's the best run organization.
Now, I always looked at lack of ownership as a liability for years and years, that the Rams
have somebody they can go call Stan Cronkey and say, I know you're on the Gulfstream, on the
tarmac.
we need Matt Stafford, and the owner says, go for it.
But as billionaires now, as millionaires used to own the league
that firing a coaching staff, $40 million checks,
was a non-starter.
It's not anymore.
And so billionaires have become oligarchs have become crazier,
whether it's the tech guys,
whether it's the boys' club in the NFL.
And so the lack of an owner actually allows patients
that nobody else can have in the league.
And I look at Green Bay's roster.
Robert, tight end, running back,
defensive line.
They moved off Kenny Clark.
Good player.
They're fine.
I look at Green Bay right now.
It's almost a flawless team.
It reminds me of Kansas City with Tyreek.
Play from behind.
Play with a lead.
Play aggressively.
Paying the right people.
I've said this.
I don't think,
I don't think anybody right now for the next three years has built like Green Bay.
Who gets credit?
It's a combination of the coaching staff and the front office.
I think what you said about the ownership is perfect because you want to blend of methodical,
patient, responsible decision-making.
But when that moment is there for you to jump on something, you still want to be able to do that.
And that's why the Michael Parsons trade to me would be so encouraging if I were a Packers fans.
Like when they know that there's something there to be had, they're going after it.
And so there's a roster strength overall.
They've been able to build so much depth
because of how patient they build the roster.
But then you look at the schematics of it,
on both sides of the ball, this is an extremely well-coached,
creative team.
Jeff Hathley has been a find.
I loved him last year because I thought he did such a good job
of tailoring the defense to his personnel.
They did not have very good corners last year,
at least unproven corners.
And instead of playing a lot of man and a lot of single high
like he used to back at Boston College
and with the Niners, they played a lot of cover two
in order to hide some of those players.
And I just think that shows real awareness.
What is my talent and how can I get the most out of them?
Well, now, as the talent has started to really increase, including Micah Parsons,
those ideas, being able to deploy those guys in the right ways, it's still happening.
The players are just better.
You combine Micah Parsons with real leaps from some of the young guys, Quay Walker, Edwin Cooper,
Keishon Nixon, who's now in his second year as a corner, he's getting better.
The incremental improvements you've needed from the youngest roster in the league has happened.
the coaching ideas are still very good,
and now you're starting to develop superstar-level players.
When all those three things are coming together at the same time,
you're getting the 2025 Packers so far.
So Al Michaels threw a little shade at the Eagles last night,
saying not all great teams are fun to watch,
and everybody summarily knew what he was talking about,
whereas the bills are.
I think America is kind of rooting for the Buffalo Bills,
and I know emotionally I'm not supposed to root, but I kind of am.
Philadelphia is fascinating.
I like the Rams this weekend.
I think Jared verse in that defensive front is a problem.
I think the last half of last year post- Thanksgiving,
I thought it was the most improved defense, really fast.
Young players, when they get hurt, recover more quickly.
It's the Packers' offense is the Rams defense.
Not paid, proven, getting better.
Philadelphia is an anomaly.
They decided after the buy last year, we're not going to throw anymore,
especially downfield.
Is it sustainable?
It doesn't feel like it's bad.
built the play from behind.
It's just wild in a past first league.
They don't throw it downfield.
I mean, don't you think over the course of five weeks, seven weeks, nine weeks, that will be a
liability?
Absolutely.
Eventually, you have to be able to do a little bit of everything.
And it especially becomes a problem when the run game is no longer as dynamic as it
was last year.
And you're already seeing that.
I mean, Sequan's averaging less than four yards a carry.
Is he?
Yes.
and the down-to-down efficiency,
he's below average right now
compared to running backs around the league.
Wow.
And I think a lot of that is
you're seeing offensive line changes for them.
The right guard, Tyler Steen,
takes over for Mackay Beckton this year.
He's had his issues.
Landon Dickerson at Left Guard
clearly has not been healthy
over the first couple weeks.
And the tight ends on this team
are not strong run blockers.
And I think they've really run into some issues there as well.
So if you're going to be a team
that doesn't want to throw the ball down the field,
you better be the most explosive dynamic running team
in the league.
first couple weeks, they just really haven't been that.
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Yeah, the, sticking with Los Angeles, I said this yesterday, everybody thought it was hyperbolic, and I said,
folks, if the NFL Hall of Fame was the Basketball Hall of Fame, where like a Globetrotter and an official can make it.
But football, Atlanta's got the College Hall of Fame, Canton's got the pro.
But like basketball, if you combine them, I could argue Jim Harbaugh is the best coach ever.
He has taken five car wrecks, except Stanford, and there's some academic reasons why, he was great the next year, all of them.
He leaves, they're all a hazmat spill, instantly.
So it's not that you lose a good coach.
I mean, Jimmy Johnson's a great coach.
To me, one of the five best ever, he leaves, he built up good personnel.
The next coach comes in, takes Jimmy's players.
He's always a great personnel guy as a coach, and they win.
Jim leaves, it's man overboard.
I find him to be a remarkable guy.
He's much more happier now.
When you do at the athletic, Robert,
when you talk about the chargers
and you talk about what he took over,
Herbert's even better,
how do people view him?
I don't think he was likable seven or eight years ago,
even by Michigan people.
He was driving the AD crazy.
How do people view Harbaugh in the league?
He's a force multiplier.
He is able to get the most out of whatever
where the roster talent looks like.
And I think that you've seen that consistently.
And it's hard to know what the secret sauce of that exactly is.
I went there last year, and I spent two days in the locker room talking to guys
because I was curious about this exact question.
And the answers are kind of all over the place, two that stick with me.
I asked Derwin James.
I was like, what is culture to you in the NFL?
And he said, culture to me is when you look at the logo, what do you see?
What does that mean to you?
He said that?
Dervynes said that to me.
That's really smart.
And I thought that that was such an astute point.
And I think with the Chargers now, you're starting to feel a certain identity
when you watch them play. That's really interesting.
And then Deion Henley told me a story about how they would go through, even in OTAs,
and every single player, associated with the organization, coaches players got up and they said,
why are you here, what brings you here? Why do you want to be good? Why do you want to be great?
Why do you want to be successful? And every person gave their answer in front of the entire team.
And so I think that there's just a real conscious, how do I build connective tissue in this building?
How do I make people feel invested? How do I get the best out of them? And the best example of this to me,
me is what Justin Herbert has played like. Because when Justin Herbert played for Joe Lombardi in that old
offense, it always felt like he was a little tight. Yes. Right? And there was just a roboticism to him
and there wasn't a looseness to the way that he played. And you watch him in the last couple of years
when he wasn't hurt last year and then the first couple weeks of this season, there's an aggressiveness.
He's willing to run. Like Jim Harbaugh going up to him before the games and shaking his shoulder
pads and gassing him up. That may seem silly, but I actually do think that there's a purpose and a
motivation behind that to get him to play. I've always joked about it. I wish Justin was 10%
dumber. And I honestly think he has played the last year and a half like he's 10% dumber
and it's been to his benefit. I think Jim's a big reason for that. So we were saying that
when I always think it's funny with Brady, the minute Mahomes comes into the league,
people never wanted to love Brady because he was efficient and it was pre-snap. I mean,
Aaron Rogers for years, Aaron's better than Tom. I mean, Tom wins, but it's Belichick.
And then the minute Mahomes gets good, it's like, listen, Tom's the system guy, Mahomes is the, and I'm like, okay, whatever.
Then he goes to Tampa and wins, and that quietes down.
Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the world right now.
And I know, and so I'm going to do this, and Patrick's a wonderful guy, but I've watched the last two years.
In the history of quarterbacks, luck, Elway, Peyton, if you have massive horsepower, Farrv, you throw picks.
like if you can throw
101, you throw
101, you don't throw
the knuckler.
Josh Allen has had about a year.
Here's an amazing stat. The bills have not
lost the turnover battle in 25
games, and they have a V-12
for an engine.
I find what we're watching.
It's not validated through statistical
precision, like Hank Aaron
surpassing Ruth. But in terms of
we're watching history,
this horsepower
and no turnovers, Robert, doesn't make sense.
Andrew Luck was brilliant.
He couldn't get the reckless out.
Eli Manning, brilliant, couldn't get the reckless out.
I'm watching this, and I'm like, they're going to win the Super Bowl.
They make no mistakes.
They never turn it over.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm sure you have this encyclopedic knowledge of it, but I don't think he has a flaw.
Right now?
Absolutely not.
I don't know what it would be because the turnovers were absolutely part of the decision making was part of it.
Yes.
And now, even you've seen it happen in stages.
And so two years ago in 2023, I thought he actually had a quiet case to be the MVP, even if the team success wasn't there.
He threw more picks in 2023, but really would, was totally ramped down was the amount of sacks he was taking.
He doesn't get sacked.
And you can find-
Two years in a row.
Two years in a row.
The sack avoidance is incredible.
And I think part of that is the offensive line.
Part of that is his elusiveness.
But where he's really made the most progress,
to me, outside of the accuracy, which that's undeniable.
So much work has been done about how he worked on his mechanics, and that's been, that story
has been told.
I think a story that's been less told is that he has become pre-snap, one of the best
quarterbacks in the league.
I think it's him in Mahomes.
The bills do such a great job of very subtly offering him information before the play.
We're going to nudge the running back out in motion just a little bit so you get half
a step from the linebacker to know whether he's coming.
And he's so smart that when you combine it with his athleticism and the offensive line
talent, he's not going to get sacked because he has the answers to the test before it even starts.
So you combine the mental horsepower with the physical horsepower that we're seeing,
and that has led to the Josh Allen that you're watching right now.
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Obviously, this is just great information.
I love this.
One of the great advantages that you get to travel around and go to locker rooms, and I will
say, just hearing all this stuff is so much fun.
So finally, let's pivot back to Bears Cowboys.
So I think it's a shootout.
I think it's wild.
I think it's incredibly fun.
I do think Caleb gives me more precision past the first drive.
Dak Prescott, I cannot believe how good he is after a second, sir.
I literally cannot believe how good he is.
I'm going to put you on the spot.
What is the game?
I'm not a winner.
What does the game look like?
These are not great defenses.
I think it looks like a shootout.
I think it looks like a lot of points because the Cowboys offense is rolling.
As somebody who's always believed in Dak Prescott, the last two weeks have been a dream.
Not just because of his play, but when I was frustrated with the Dallas offense over the last few years,
it always just felt very static to me.
It was very spread out.
It was very shotgun.
And you just can't play that way unless you have truly elite dominant perimeter receivers.
And I'm not talking about just C.D. Lamp.
The two teams that could get away playing that way, the Bengals and the Eagles,
because you got those two guys and you just have horses on the outside.
The Cowboys never had that.
And so I always wanted to feel just the tick more dynamic.
Just league average play action rate, league average motion rate,
and get him one more weapon.
All of that has happened.
Every single one of those things has lined up,
and now the Dak Prescott that always existed,
the one that's aggressive, that processes really well,
you're still seeing that guy,
but everything else around him has led to a more explosive offense.
And so I think that is here to stay for the most part, as long as Dallas stays healthy this year.
And I think the Dallas defense is going to be a problem over the course of the year.
And so those games are going to include a lot of points.
I think this Sunday is one of them.
I think history is going to be very kind to Dak Prescott, is that he has had three coaches,
none of whom were wildly popular with the critics or the fans.
And every year with Dak, you basically get a 98-passer rating, 30 touchdowns, 10 pitch,
67% completion percentage.
Unbelievable and Tangibles leadership.
He went through the pandemic, BLM.
You know, in the state of Texas, that was controversial.
It is, I said, I was never like a huge DAC fan,
but it's almost like a band that you got, as they age, you're like,
or, you know, Robert Redford, I grew up with that.
So I knew all the president's men.
But sometimes you'll go, and when a celebrity passes,
is you go to YouTube and listen to their music,
or you go and look at their IBM page or IBMB page,
and you're like, they're in a lot of good movies.
I look at Dak Prescott now, and I'm like Brian Schottnheimer,
Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy,
he's going to get Hall of Fame votes.
He is going to get Hall of Fame votes.
Is he not?
I think he probably deserves it if he has five more seasons,
like the one that we're watching right now,
or like the 20-23 season.
Comparing it to the music thing,
to me, like, Dak is like Food Fighters, right?
It's just this band that you never thought was the best band,
but they've been doing it for so long at a pretty good clip.
And Dave Grohl did it with Nirvana.
He did it with foo fighters.
He can do it in different situations.
Like, Dak has been that.
You're never going to say Dak Prescott is the best quarterback in the world.
The same way you're never going to say that Dave Grohl is the best rock star in the world.
But there is a consistency and the legitimacy for so long that you really can't deny it.
I thought I was good with analogies.
Fu fighters crushed.
That's the best, that's the best connectivity I've ever heard on the show.
What a pleasure.
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It's a pleasure to meet you.
Thank you very much for having me.
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We have some big news.
What's the news, new?
Huge news.
We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.
We invented a podcast?
Well, we didn't invent it.
We just contributed to a...
We're the first people to do podcasts.
pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
But this one's extra special.
So how do we actually come up with a name,
Hey Jonas, guys?
I honestly don't remember.
I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
We were thinking I'm originally calling it
one of the early names of our band
before Jonas Brothers was...
This is how you guys remember it going down?
Yes.
I have a very different memory of this.
We were talking about a thing,
a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say,
Hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential
title for the podcast.
But thanks for remembering that, guys.
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One of the questions is, which QB will have the most passing yards in week three?
Colin, you got Dak, Stafford, Love, or Baker?
Who you got?
Dak Prescott in a shootout against the bear.
I cannot wait to watch that game.
That is fascinating.
I'm going to take DAC throws for over 275 yards.
I think that's a good wager by you.
Well, it's week three across the national football.
Is it time to panic for some teams?
Who's on the rise?
Who's regressing?
We like to call it tomorrow's headlines today.
As J-MAC predicts the headline, we'll be reading on Monday.
Let's start Rams at the Eagles.
Yeah, let's bust right into it, Colin, with the best game on the board Sunday.
The defending Super Bowl champs at home against the Rams.
The headline will be hookah and rally.
Philly can't go shot for shot with L.A.
I'm kind of with you on this.
I think the L.A. offense is just a little too high-powered for Philly.
We haven't seen too much from the Eagles offensively yet.
Maybe there's an offensive coordinator issue, or they're just playing to their strengths.
But there were some Lane Johnson comments today, like literally in the last hour, about this whole push push thing and how he knows that the penalty flags are coming.
I think if you remove that from the Eagles, it changes the calculus of their offense.
You can't just go for, hey, let's get to third and short, and we've got two downs to get it because I think the NFL is going to litigate it a little stronger this week.
I will say, I mentioned this earlier, the Rams seem like a public underdog this week.
Those are very dangerous.
80% of the bets at one shop in Vegas has the fans on the Rams at getting three and a half.
Don't feel awesome about that, but I'll take the Rams in their offense to cover and pull the upset of the Eagles.
Well, I'm still waiting for the first Cam Ward W.
Tomorrow's headlines today, Daniel Jones and the Colts at Tennessee.
You know, I'm a weirdo, Colin.
I like these ugly, gross games.
I mean, this is nasty, but you can find an edge in that because,
Nobody's talking about it on TV all day.
The headline for this one will be.
Smile for the camera.
Ward, picture perfect in first win.
Colin, I've got this as a major upset.
I've got in the first win of the season for Cam Ward.
Oh, good.
I think they pull it off at home against the mighty Colts and Daniel Jones.
Everybody loves DJ.
Colin, I got some great stats for you.
So Owen two underdogs, okay?
Going back the last 15 years, nobody wants anything to do with them
because they look bad.
for two games in a row.
Owen, two underdogs in week three are hitting at 66% against the spread.
Wow.
Because nobody wants to bet them.
I mean, this game should have probably been like a pick-um, right?
If you're looking at the summer line, now you've got all of a sudden laying numbers with
the Colts on the road.
The one injury concern for the Titans I have is sweat, the big fella in the middle
out of Texas.
He's been great against the run.
Hasn't practiced all week.
They just announced here in the last 10 minutes.
He's a game-time decision.
That's not great because Jonathan Taylor has looked.
incredible.
I will say I love this matchup also because it's
two former Cincinnati guys.
Brian Callahan, who was with Burrow,
against Captain Liu, the defensive coordinator.
I think big edge to Cam Ward and company.
Final number for you, Colin, you'll like this.
Indy 30th in pressures through two games.
Cam Ward has faced two brutal defenses.
Denver at altitude and the Rams.
They get after the quarterback.
The Colts, they do not.
I think Cam Ward gets his first win.
I like that.
Good pick.
Tomorrow's headlines today.
You have been on this since Monday.
Falcons?
I literally lost a 401k multiple college kids education on the Falcons over the last 15 years.
What say you?
Yeah.
Well, let's go get everybody a jet ski.
The headline for Falcons.
Panthers will be working 925.
Falcons stand-on-business hours.
I know you love stand-on-business.
Colin, this is a Bijon Robinson special.
He's going to go off.
I mean, this is a terrible Carolina run defense.
Cannot stop the run at all.
It's going to be Bijan, Tony Algier.
I think they just ground and pound their way to victory.
And oh, by the way, okay?
I know everybody says, well, Bryce Young, he cooked the Falcons last year.
Remember late in the season?
Yeah.
He was like wearing a tuxedo in the pocket.
The Falcons had no pass rush.
Through two weeks, Atlanta's pass rush, one of the best in the league.
Yeah.
They invested heavily, right?
Two guys in the first round.
and then they went out and got Leonard Floyd.
I really like the Falcons here.
Colin, here's a fun stat for you.
The Carolina Panthers, the only team through two weeks to lead for zero seconds.
Have not had a lead at all this season.
Can't play from behind.
I think Atlanta wins this handle.
That we keep waiting.
You know, it's interesting about Bryce Young.
There are moments.
There are halves.
There are, and they just can't put it together.
They just can't.
All right.
This is one of the games I like.
tomorrow's headlines today. Saints, the Dome Team
cross-country against Seattle, a team that
has, I mean, the second half defense against the Niners and the Steelers
was pretty redeemable by Seattle. It was plucky. I mean, you know,
consider the opponent. Obviously, we don't wear down on Aaron Rogers, but the
headline for Seahawks Saints will be his
poor performance. Rattler kept coiled by circling
Hawks. Now listen, I love this at seven. I don't love it as much at seven and a half, obviously,
seven a key number. But Colin, Spencer Rattler, 0 and 8 as a starter. I haven't seen it, man.
If you look at his, you know, next-gen stats has the passing charts, nothing down the field.
He just doesn't want to make mistakes, so he's doing quick short stuff. Now he faces arguably
the best secondary in the league in Seattle. I think they eat them up at maybe a one or two
defensive touchdowns. If you've got the Seahawks defense and fantasy, I can almost guarantee a victory for you.
This feels like a big Kenneth Walker game.
Listen, where are you on Darnold?
It's still early in the season.
No, I don't think this organization is as good as Minnesota and Kevin O'Connell
with play calling and play design.
But what they're asking Sam to do, last year Sam was asked to carry a defense that I don't
think, I think this Seattle defense is special.
I think this run game is special.
They're not asking Sam to do things that can get Sam in trouble.
They're not asking him to throw 38 times a game.
What they're asking him to do is throw on play action, protect the football,
and then, and Sam's pretty good at this, three or four times a game,
you're going to get loose and make a play.
So I think Sam's always been at his best.
When he's not asked to carry, he is asked to athletically complement an offense,
and I think it's a perfect fit for him.
Totally agree.
He's going to keep it safe.
Just don't turn the ball over, and Seattle should coast do,
like a 28 to 10 victory.
Yes.
Finally, tomorrow's headlines today.
Listen, NFC teams at Baltimore against Lamar usually is a recipe for an L.
Now, I did get the Monday night game wrong last week.
I had Texans.
That one hurt, man.
Same here.
And listen, I looked at your Cowboys Bears game.
I kind of wanted to take Dallas, backed off.
But I'm going with Monday night.
The headline for Ravens, Lions, Will B.
turn your head and goff.
Lions fail physical test.
Colin, I can't get out of my head the vision of Detroit outdoors in week one,
looking slow and plotting and the offensive line kind of crumbling.
And then they go home and they look incredible.
I just don't think they're the same team indoors versus outdoors.
You know, I know everybody's excited about Goff and Amara connected again last week and they're back.
Colin, again, this is a totally different animal.
The Ravens are one of the three best teams in the league.
the Bears, they're maybe one of the five worst.
This is just a big step up in class for golf.
I think pressure up the middle will continue to rattle him.
And I think, like you said, Lamar Jackson, something like 24 and 2 against the NFC.
I would not be surprised if this was a big Derek Henry, Lamar Jackson ground game two.
And the last time they met outdoors a couple years ago, Detroit was 5 and 1.
It was 35-0 in the middle of the third quarter.
They got rolled.
They got a dump truck.
I also think because the bears are such a high-profile.
team right now because of the Caleb story that we're overvaluing the Detroit win.
Yes.
We're like, okay, this is the real team.
They were not competitive against the Packers.
And I think we just, we have to look at the Bears right now as an experiment more than
anything.
So I like, I just take the Bears game out.
And I, I don't know, I just, I look at this team.
There's still two coordinators I question.
I question their defense.
In the middle of their offensive line, their run game is not as,
viable. It's not as strong.
So I think this is a tough spot. I think there are ways
to beat Baltimore
dominant time of
possession, and I don't think they'll bring that
to the table. Yeah, totally agree.
Good stuff today.
We agree on, let's see, hold on.
One, like every game. I don't think we've ever
had three picks.
Yeah. First of all, we've never had three of the same
picks. We've never agreed on three
picks. So this is at first. Yeah, by the
way, we talked earlier about Chargers
Broncos, that looks like it's headed toward three.
You can't get the normal rate.
I think the charges are going to be favored by three.
Colin, if the Chargers go three and O in the division to start the season.
That's a big cushion with wins in your pocket over Raiders, Chiefs and Broncos.
You know what's remarkable about Chargers?
When they lost Rishan Slater, I came on the other next day.
I'm like, that's two L's.
Joe Alt has been unbelievable.
and everybody wanted them to take a receiver.
Their season...
Neighbors was the guy, right?
Yep. They went.
Classic Harbaugh. He's like, we're going to move Joel, right, tackle to left.
He's been as good or better than Slater.
He's not even allowing a pressure.
So, yeah, as we're showing our TV audience, the schedule.
Listen, I'll tell you what's going to get a huge rating, and I think it's going to be close
in a lot of points.
The Cowboys Bears is going to get a monster number as long as the game is close,
and I think it's going to be.
I had Eric Mangini, a former NFL coach, joining us.
And I talked about it.
I said, you know, it's amazing.
Here's Dak on a second surgery with Brian Schottnheimer, George Pickens.
And I said to Eric, like, you always get the same DAC.
Here he is.
It's year after year of drama and dysfunction and everything that goes into sort of Jerry's world.
But Dak's not part of that.
And I've been so impressed by DAC these first two games.
He's the highest paid player right now in the league,
and he actually looked like he deserved that distinction over the last two games.
And there's not been many times where I could have said that about Dak.
Yeah, no, it's like, you know, Josh Allen signed a team-friendly deal.
Dak didn't necessarily.
So there's always repercussions when you have a quarterback that doesn't take necessarily a
team-friendly deal. And so you can't get Derek Henry like the Cowboys needed last year.
But Giovante Williams has been a nice pickup. George Pickens, through two games, not a lot of drama.
CD Lam's fantastic. I think the Cowboys O-line, Tyler Smith & Company, have been a pleasant surprise.
I think the O-line's been good. So, I mean, you can score your way to the playoffs.
You're not going to win a lot of playoff games if you're bad defensively, but you can score your way to making the playoffs.
We've seen, you know, we've seen teams do that through the years.
Cincinnati, you know, with Burrow.
But, I mean, at some point you do have to play defense.
I mean, last year, Burrow didn't make the playoffs despite being arguably the best quarterback in the league.
So I think to beat the great teams, especially on the road, you've got to be able to make stops.
I don't know if Dallas can.
But they are, to me, the two surprises in the league have been Daniel Jones at quarterback for the Colts.
That's been surprising.
And Dallas overall.
I thought this coaching staff, I thought this thing would unravel.
I think I said it.
I could see it unraveling by week five or six.
They should be two and oh.
Should have been in Philadelphia.
In Philadelphia.
Should have.
All right.
Eric Mangini, Robert Mays, a good show today.
Blazing five, all sorts of good stuff.
Have a good weekend.
Some good college football tomorrow as well.
A USC Michigan State game.
Sniffing 3 and 0.
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The rallies are relentless.
And at the French Open, only the toughest survive.
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